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    From Google:
    racism
    /ˈrāˌsizəm /

    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    Merriam-Webster:
    Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

    So.....for what it's worth, imo, stating that "...If some races are genetically more likely to be good at some things.... like Kenyans and running for example...."

    ^ that's a racist statement imo. You could make hundreds of similar statements (Asian people excel at math, for example, is one I've heard before over and over again). Statements like that are extremely racist imo. The same applies to statements like "they are no good at swimming". What you're doing is placing certain charactristics and traits, be they positive or negative, to a group of people based soley on their race. If that's not clear to anyone, just go back and read the two definitions above lol. The definition of racism is pretty straightforward, no matter what source it's from. (well, almost lol).
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    So there are no words that some people use that you would class as racism? The N word is obvious. For us Irish ' Paddy ' has come up often. Not that it bothers us. Few people in other countries have gotten into trouble for using the word when talking about the Irish. Here we have the word ' knacker ' which is used when talking about gypsies. It is considered racist here. I did say I was on about words. Words people use to aim at the various races out there. Chinks would be another word. For Chinese people. Nips for Japanese people. Is loads of them. I think they are what people shout about more. If you were been classed as a racist it would be more because of a single word you might have used. Not a statement that defines the good or the bad qualities of the race of people. Walk into the Hood and say ' you can't swim ' and nobody would give a crap. Wouldn't have a clue what you were going on about. Walk in and use the N word and see if you make it back out.
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    I don't recall ever saying that there are no words I'd classify as racist lol. If I did, please feel free to show me where. I was pointing out that it bothers me that some people don't consider what they say as being racist, when they attribute certain characteristics (good or bad, negative or positive) to a group of people based purely on their race, ethnicity, religion, nationality, sex.

    To me, those are very, very racist statements, and I'm hardly the only one to think so. I posted a couple of definitions of the word "racist" and those definitions back me up, 100%. Whether someone is saying that Kenyan's excel at running (but can't swim), or any other claim based purely on a race of people, that is, in my opinion, racist. It's just as racist as using the "N" word imo. People that group people together, define who they are based on their race, nationality, etc without "resorting" to racist name calling do not get free reign to do so without having their statements labeled as racist. It's simply, by definition, still racist. See the two definitions I posted

    It would be different if I was the only one to hold my point of view on the subject. I googled "define;racism" and the first two definitions that popped up (see my previous post) explain that racism isn't limited to racist name calling. There are a whole list of ways to practice prejudice or racism.....a list much, much too long for me to even get into here. I'd find it hard to believe anyone wouldn't agree in this day and age lol.
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    From Google:
    racism
    /ˈrāˌsizəm /

    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    Merriam-Webster:
    Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

    So.....for what it's worth, imo, stating that "...If some races are genetically more likely to be good at some things.... like Kenyans and running for example...."

    ^ that's a racist statement imo. You could make hundreds of similar statements (Asian people excel at math, for example, is one I've heard before over and over again). Statements like that are extremely racist imo. The same applies to statements like "they are no good at swimming". What you're doing is placing certain charactristics and traits, be they positive or negative, to a group of people based soley on their race. If that's not clear to anyone, just go back and read the two definitions above lol. The definition of racism is pretty straightforward, no matter what source it's from. (well, almost lol).
    OK by the definitions you cited the following statement is ?racist?:

    ?Africans are better at living in hot environments than Europeans.?

    Even though it is factual because of melanin in the skin... Europeans are more likely to burn. This is my point... there are certain things which may be true that aren?t discussed for fear of being called ?racist?

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    Cloudmaker lol, your Africans are better at living in hot environments than Europeans statement isn't even factual. Melanin in skin doesn't have to do with hot environments, melanin is a skin pigment that blocks some carcinogenic Sun radiation. Hot environments aren't necessarily ones with a lot of sunlight and vice versa. I could spend some more time explaining to you how that statement is racist, maybe another time.

    So yeah that statement you wrote is pretty racist, it's not entirely factual.

    Your point that certain things that might be true that aren't discussed because of fear of being called racism is another matter. You haven't provided any support for your assertion that I have seen so far.

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    OK by the definitions you cited the following statement is ?racist?:

    ?Africans are better at living in hot environments than Europeans.?

    Even though it is factual because of melanin in the skin... Europeans are more likely to burn. This is my point... there are certain things which may be true that aren?t discussed for fear of being called ?racist?
    *** deep sigh ***

    Well, I have to admit this was good for a laugh. Sorry but I just can't even take that response seriously. I mean, are you in fact joking or being facetious? I could treat this as a learning experience on my part. So. Thanks, I guess, Cloudmaker? I mean, I'm sure there is a segment of the population that really does think that way, that shares that POV. Wow though. Just. Wow.

    Hmmmm.....lessee if I can expound on this brilliant train of thought somehow.

    Oh, yeah, I know. I live near the beach. Less than an hour away. So I must be genetically predisposed to being...an excellent swimmer. Of course. Daaaayuuumm!!!!!!!!!!! I never noticed it before now, but I actually have webbed feet. My toes are webbed and I....wait a minute...yep, just like I thought....I have fins! And gills!

    That sure does explain a lot. Whew. I'm glad that's settled.
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    Cloudmaker lol, your Africans are better at living in hot environments than Europeans statement isn't even factual. Melanin in skin doesn't have to do with hot environments, melanin is a skin pigment that blocks some carcinogenic Sun radiation. Hot environments aren't necessarily ones with a lot of sunlight and vice versa. I could spend some more time explaining to you how that statement is racist, maybe another time.

    So yeah that statement you wrote is pretty racist, it's not entirely factual.

    Your point that certain things that might be true that aren't discussed because of fear of being called racism is another matter. You haven't provided any support for your assertion that I have seen so far.
    OK excuse me for thinking hot environments are ones with a lot of sun LOL. My point is... on average, Dutch men are taller than any other nationality.... this is from genetics. If there is a sport , like basketball, where being tall is an advantage.... then Dutch men may generally be better than other races. Is that racist?

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    Your false assumption is excused, Cloudmaker. Many areas of the Earth that have a lot of sunlight are cold. The poles receive a lot of sunlight, but they are generally cold.

    So your point changed to stating that Dutch males are taller than any other nationality, because of genetics, therefore Dutch males might generally be better than other races.

    Yes, that is still racist. Dutch is not a race, but a nationality. Stating "Dutch men are taller than any other nationality...this is from genetics." Is racist.

    I'm not sure where I'm losing you on the idea that stating something is true BECAUSE OF RACE is racism. I could even argue that there is no such thing as a race. But anyway, race is not nationality is not genetics is not personal characteristics and so on.

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    Your false assumption is excused, Cloudmaker. Many areas of the Earth that have a lot of sunlight are cold. The poles receive a lot of sunlight, but they are generally cold.

    So your point changed to stating that Dutch males are taller than any other nationality, because of genetics, therefore Dutch males might generally be better than other races.

    Yes, that is still racist. Dutch is not a race, but a nationality. Stating "Dutch men are taller than any other nationality...this is from genetics." Is racist.

    I'm not sure where I'm losing you on the idea that stating something is true BECAUSE OF RACE is racism. I could even argue that there is no such thing as a race. But anyway, race is not nationality is not genetics is not personal characteristics and so on.
    Why are some people from Africa dark skinned and some people from Europe light skinned? Because of genetics... just like a German Shepherd is larger and has certain traits that make it more aggressive and better at being an attack dog than a chihuahua, even though they are both dogs .... genetic differences between species are real.... but talking about them for humans is “racist”

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    Again, still racist. Dog breeds are not different species. They can interbreed. Differences between what you call races are real, but humans from different continents are not different species of human, either.

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    Quote kevinjoseph View Post
    Again, still racist. Dog breeds are not different species. They can interbreed. Differences between what you call races are real, but humans from different continents are not different species of human, either.
    Yes and German shepherds and chihuahuas are the same species yet drastically different genetically... humans are the same.

    If I say Asians are less likely to be able to hold their booze.... is that racist too? Because it is a statistical fact, and calling me “racist” does not invalidate it. Source.

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    What about Japanese people are less likely to develop cancer as opposed to the cancer rate in Americans?
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    Suicide is higher in Norway then any other country. (Just examples for this post, not actually factual)
    Native Americans understood how to live off the land.
    Persion rugs are the best hand knotted rugs.
    Don't even get me started on food examples..
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    Im more aware of women covered head to toe in turbans.
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    Statistical facts and scientific research can be cherry-picked to support a lot of views, with those views themselves not necessarily being valid. A single paper about the phenomenon of certain individuals' faces flushing with alcohol consumption doesn't support your statement that Asians are less likely to be able to hold their booze. I skimmed over it to see if it actually supported your statement, and your source even explicitly states that facial flushing from alcohol is not something every Asian experiences, it is not a phenomenon limited to Asians, etc. etc. I very much doubt you read that source and then came to the conclusion that Asians are less likely to be able to hold their booze, and more likely, you had that conclusion and worked backward to find (cherry pick) a single source that you felt supported it.

    Saying racist things doesn't necessarily invalidate the racist statements you make, but it can lead to people getting the impression that you are likely to say racist things in the future, and might make them more likely to dismiss what you might have to say.

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    Add a bit of laughter to the topic. Father Ted. Always cracks me up.

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    Lol. That video was hysterical Cuchculan!
    Ha ha. I was laughing hyaterically. Good to laugh at ourselves every now and then!
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