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    What needs to be understood is, you don't prevent something by adding more of the same.

    I've heard many different things. That school shootings are part of a vengeful God, who hates that we took the bible out of our schools. That if the kids had been armed with guns, the shooter would have been killed before he killed all those kids. Etc.

    What doesn't make sense is the idea that a 5 or 6 year old would A.) be mentally capable of taking down a 20 year old college student, and B.) be physically capable of taking down a 20 year old college student. Nevermind the argument that some of the fatalities would have been attributed to kids killing kids by accident, or the shooter using kids as a shield. No matter how geeky this guy was, he still was much more powerful than the kids.

    This sicko probably targeted kids, because he knew he couldn't overpower college students. He hated himself, and others, and wanted to show the world how much he hated it. It's just another Columbine, although twisted, because he went after 6 year olds instead of 16 year olds.

    Either way, pray for the victims, don't shed a tear for the killer. He doesn't deserve it.

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    Morgan Freeman's statement about these shootings. I was with him up until the end. Gun control needs to be considered as much as mental health does.



    On that note, here is a list of the victims: http://ktla.com/2012/12/15/medical-e...wtown-victims/
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    I agree with everything that Morgan Freeman said in that statement.

    And what is sad is people aren't going to listen to him. You know what my sister said? "They will try to rationalize, diagnose, and explain it all away, when it all boils down to one guy, who was sick in the head."

    That is very true. We can point fingers at loners, Aspies, socially anxious people, whatever. There are people who are in those categories who are not violent at all. We can point fingers at horror films. I love horror films, and I don't like violence or blood in real life (I would probably pass out at a crime scene.) You can point fingers at video games or music, that is just as stupid as blaming horror films.

    Let's point the finger at where it belongs: the guy who was severely mentally disturbed, didn't get help, and took his mother's weapons and used it to commit mass murder. It is nobody else's fault but his, and it was society's wrongdoing that we didn't discover it until after he snapped.
    Even the father of one of the victims said the same thing. We all have the Second Amendment. What we choose to do with that is key. The suspect chose to use it for evil. It is a given right to everyone. WE must have the knowledge of right from wrong - to use our rights in the correct way. The suspect chose to commit a crime with his right - and he paid the ultimate price....with his life, and quite possibly, his soul.

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    We all have the Second Amendment. What we choose to do with that is key.
    They need to do away with the 2nd Amendment. It's outdated.

    When that part of the Constitution was written, America was at war with Britain. I am not really knowledgeable about American history, but I do know that people had to fear being shot by people who trespassed on their property. For that reason, the right to bear arms was included.

    People also hunted their own food at that time. There were no stores. Krogers didn't exist. Neither did Walmart. There is no probable reason for someone to go hunting anymore for their own food, unless they enjoy killing.

    And in this age, where we have locked doors, alarm systems, and police officers at the call of a button, why do we need to bear arms? Let the police carry guns, let the criminals carry guns, let the police deal with the criminals, and let everyone else who isn't a criminal not be able to access them. The whole reason this kid was able to get guns in the first place was because his mother was a gun enthusiast. If she hadn't believed in the 2nd Amendment, we wouldn't even be having this debate.

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    http://news.msn.com/us/police-2-dead...ocid=ansnews11

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...-causing-panic

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2307505.html

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

    ALL THIS just since the Connecticut shooting. The second amendment isn't holy doctrine and can be revised to fit modern times. Again, I SUPPORT PEOPLE HAVING GUNS and DO NOT WANT TO TAKE PEOPLE'S GUNS AWAY. But what is amazing to me is people are so in love with their guns that it's blinding them to the FACT that America has a big problem on it's hands. I don't see the issue as a simple one that only gun control is going to solve. It runs so much more deeper than that. Again, I think we need to take a hard look at our priorities in America and start giving a crap about our citizens, our fellow countrymen. Health care -- and that means whole care for the mind as well--must be available to all regardless of how much money one has. Education needs to be a priority. These are things that made us a strong country in the first place.

    BUT----When the second amendment was ratified in 1791 single shot guns loaded through the muzzle were the weapon of choice. I don't think the founding fathers were talking about semiautomatic weapons being used to mow down kindergarteners. Laws must be changed and updated to fit the times. It drives me crazy when people think that talking about gun control means taking away their precious guns. I support only a few changes that apparently most NRA members support also, such as background checks (criminal that is) which 74% of NRA members support as well. So what is the problems with instating that?

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....pr006-12.shtml

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    They need to do away with the 2nd Amendment. It's outdated.

    When that part of the Constitution was written, America was at war with Britain. I am not really knowledgeable about American history, but I do know that people had to fear being shot by people who trespassed on their property. For that reason, the right to bear arms was included.

    People also hunted their own food at that time. There were no stores. Krogers didn't exist. Neither did Walmart. There is no probable reason for someone to go hunting anymore for their own food, unless they enjoy killing.

    And in this age, where we have locked doors, alarm systems, and police officers at the call of a button, why do we need to bear arms? Let the police carry guns, let the criminals carry guns, let the police deal with the criminals, and let everyone else who isn't a criminal not be able to access them. The whole reason this kid was able to get guns in the first place was because his mother was a gun enthusiast. If she hadn't believed in the 2nd Amendment, we wouldn't even be having this debate.
    How does one then defend themselves against someone with a gun? Police response time is terrible. You could be shot dead by an armed intruder by the time they arrive.
    Your theory on hunting is pretty goofy i think. Thinking people must be forced to buy overpriced meat at grocery store, or else they just like killing things.
    I keep hearing crazier and crazier things in these gun control debates. I'm pretty scared for where this country is headed. I really am.

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    Personally, I could never support an outright gun "ban". But I fail to see why the AWB was ever lifted. However, now I don't see how it can ever be reinstated with all the guns that have been put out there since.

    And i am not against hunting--all meat comes from dead animals. I know a goodly amount of hunters that take pride in their accuracy, and use the meat of their kill. They stock their freezers with venison and elk.

    I am for closing the gunshow loopholes though and again, support criminal background checks. You cannot get certain jobs if you are a felon, so it's not out of line to say you cannot get a gun. Even people on the no-fly list can get a gun which I just found out and found to be odd?

    I can see how having a gun readily available makes some feel better but I am just not into them. I have a gun but I do not sleep with it under my pillow as some seem to. But a handgun can do plenty of damage. Why does someone need a semiautomatic rifle that pumps out 30 rounds for "home protection"?

    Again, I dont support a gun ban and feel the problem is very multifaceted. I am amazed at how many memes I am seeing on FaceBook, esp the one that shows various semiautomatic weapons and says "WHATEVER IT TAKES" in a pro gun stance. Nice.

    Sidenote: Why are certain words in my post links??? Why does it do that?

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    How does one then defend themselves against someone with a gun? Police response time is terrible. You could be shot dead by an armed intruder by the time they arrive.
    Your theory on hunting is pretty goofy i think. Thinking people must be forced to buy overpriced meat at grocery store, or else they just like killing things.
    I keep hearing crazier and crazier things in these gun control debates. I'm pretty scared for where this country is headed. I really am.

    When I hover over the word grocery in your post it pops up an ad for Tide. That is not my brand and stop pushing your hidden laundry detergent agenda!!! :-D

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    That's odd, WineKitty. I don't see anything like that here.

    The media are pushing an anti-mental illness agenda at the moment. It makes me paranoid, because I am not doing anything wrong, but I feel like I'm a terrible person for trying to get well.

    I think banning assault weapons is a first step, and is needed. I mean, what point do people have, having them? It really does not belong in the family home!

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    I am for closing the gunshow loopholes though and again, support criminal background checks. You cannot get certain jobs if you are a felon, so it's not out of line to say you cannot get a gun. Even people on the no-fly list can get a gun which I just found out and found to be odd?

    I can see how having a gun readily available makes some feel better but I am just not into them. I have a gun but I do not sleep with it under my pillow as some seem to. But a handgun can do plenty of damage. Why does someone need a semiautomatic rifle that pumps out 30 rounds for "home protection"?
    Gun ownership laws need to be revised for felons actually. Non violent felons such as myself should not be restricted from owning firearms. Some assaults aren't even felonies, but then there's me...a huge threat to the public with my little 20 dollar bag of dope. Better make sure no gun ever gets in my hands huh?

    But anyways a question for you, if you can have a semi automatic handgun with the same capacity for home defense why the hell does it really matter if it's a rifle or not?

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    http://news.msn.com/us/police-2-dead...ocid=ansnews11

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...-causing-panic

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2307505.html

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

    ALL THIS just since the Connecticut shooting. The second amendment isn't holy doctrine and can be revised to fit modern times. Again, I SUPPORT PEOPLE HAVING GUNS and DO NOT WANT TO TAKE PEOPLE'S GUNS AWAY. But what is amazing to me is people are so in love with their guns that it's blinding them to the FACT that America has a big problem on it's hands. I don't see the issue as a simple one that only gun control is going to solve. It runs so much more deeper than that. Again, I think we need to take a hard look at our priorities in America and start giving a crap about our citizens, our fellow countrymen. Health care -- and that means whole care for the mind as well--must be available to all regardless of how much money one has. Education needs to be a priority. These are things that made us a strong country in the first place.

    BUT----When the second amendment was ratified in 1791 single shot guns loaded through the muzzle were the weapon of choice. I don't think the founding fathers were talking about semiautomatic weapons being used to mow down kindergarteners. Laws must be changed and updated to fit the times. It drives me crazy when people think that talking about gun control means taking away their precious guns. I support only a few changes that apparently most NRA members support also, such as background checks (criminal that is) which 74% of NRA members support as well. So what is the problems with instating that?

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....pr006-12.shtml
    Just to add to the hysteria, there were three stories on my local news about people making comments on Twitter that were perceived as threats. A couple, if not all, the twits were ARRESTED and had to go to court!

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    Just to add to the hysteria, there were three stories on my local news about people making comments on Twitter that were perceived as threats. A couple, if not all, the twits were ARRESTED and had to go to court!
    I don't understand people that use Twitter for evil purposes. It's supposed to be fun, people! Not for sick stuff.

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    My heart since it happened has been heavy with Sadness, I have cried and prayed for all the victims, their families and the entire Newton Community, I have watched CNN here and there, You can really see the impact this has had on the nation not just the nation but here in Canada.

    Teachers who are striking right now want to wear black arm bands but not every parent is comfortable with the idea and I understand where they are coming from, they have a right to decide when and where they will tell their child about this. I see how upset it gets people like Piers Morgan and others who are absolutely enraged.

    I've seen reports about the different kinds of psychiatric drugs all these mass shooters took and how it might contribute, I don't have it on me but you can look it up, probably really strong psychiatric drugs you'd probably know the names better than me. Sadly there will always be people who will live in Denial and pretend that these shootings were nothing more than some mentally I'll person with a gun and go back to their normal lives.
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    Just to add to the hysteria, there were three stories on my local news about people making comments on Twitter that were perceived as threats. A couple, if not all, the twits were ARRESTED and had to go to court!

    Two people shot and killed, albeit a crime of passion apparently, in a crowded popular Las Vegas casino lobby.

    Fashion Island in Newport Beach is an extremely busy mall in a densely populated area that was busy with Christmas shoppers. Someone unloading 50 rounds in the parking lot most likely did create some panic and hysteria. Rightfully so.

    The shooting at the Alabama hospital ended up in the death of the shooter and three people being shot.

    I think it's horrible that this is going on. But an average of 87 people a day dying from gun violence isn't bad. I wonder what the number is for ALL violent crimes? That would be interesting to know.

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    Gun ownership laws need to be revised for felons actually. Non violent felons such as myself should not be restricted from owning firearms. Some assaults aren't even felonies, but then there's me...a huge threat to the public with my little 20 dollar bag of dope. Better make sure no gun ever gets in my hands huh?

    But anyways a question for you, if you can have a semi automatic handgun with the same capacity for home defense why the hell does it really matter if it's a rifle or not?
    Hmm. Well, you did make a few good points. I would have to agree that the felon thing should be for violent offenders, not non violent. I would change my remark on that.

    I am not sure semi automatic handguns or rifles are really necessary are they? Shows my ignorance on guns a bit. I freely admit I am not a gun expert. But I don't have to be to know that a gun that sprays bullets at a quick succession isn't all that necessary for home protection. In most home protection situations aren't a very minimal amount of rounds fired....not 30?

    But that said, the genie is out of the bottle. Too many out there to "ban" them. I dont support a ban for the simple reason it wouldn't work.

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    When I hover over the word grocery in your post it pops up an ad for Tide. That is not my brand and stop pushing your hidden laundry detergent agenda!!! :-D
    Don't have any ads popping up here. What the hell browser do you use? Did you edit my post or something to say "this person is on your ignore list"? You trying to play some trick on me lol?

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    In most home protection situations aren't a very minimal amount of rounds fired....not 30?
    The more the better i would say. You don't wanna have one bullet, miss the shot, and then be murdered do ya?

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    I don't understand people that use Twitter for evil purposes. It's supposed to be fun, people! Not for sick stuff.
    Somebody on Twitter made a twitter page called @BlastinKids saying that his name was Adam Lanza and he was reported to the FBI twitter page about his posts which were absolutely appalling it was basically one big joke to him it was sick and those people have done the same thing made light of this horrific event that has shattered and changed so many lives.
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    Somebody on Twitter made a twitter page called @BlastinKids saying that his name was Adam Lanza and he was reported to the FBI twitter page about his posts which were absolutely appalling it was basically one big joke to him it was sick and those people have done the same thing made light of this horrific event that has shattered and changed so many lives.
    Probably just some young kid being a punk. Can't expect some people to be mature about things. Not something i'd worry about. Doesn't even sound worthy of reporting to the FBI. I mean why report this knowing the Adam Lanza is already dead? Just because his twitters were mocking the situation? I'd hope the FBI have bigger fish to fry.

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