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    see this could be dogshit but at least it’s authentic

    oh [BEEP] you’re the artist lmao
    keep pushing homie, I hate pop punk but I’m actually fuckin w this. Your sound and look is your own and that’s rare
    Lol yeah I nearly responded 'kind of meh but he looks kind of cute in the Halloween outfit.' I mean it's fine it's just it sounds very like a more pop-punk Bring me the Horizon or something similar. Found his YT channel too. I'm disappointed there isn't a complete video of that clip. At least atm.

    The full song is a bit better though. Parts of it sound very slightly like Drab Majesty. So if Drab Majesty were a pop punk band that fused with Bring me The Horizon.





    ^ this has a really great music video too but there's some nudity so.



    Also. Does Justin Whang follow everyone lol?

    He posted a clip of his music in response to a clip of another musician with bad lyrics alongside 'blame mgk' which I'm guessing stands for Machine Gun Kelly. Someone also posted Good Charlotte in response saying 'sorry bud I'm old school and this is my anthem' (Oh great I'm 'old school' now,) but it's hard to tell from the clip but it's just a worse version of something like that. I was very into Good Charlotte when I was 11/12 (Young and the Hopeless album.) I think it was on their forum that I made a thread saying Metallica sucked and this is the first forum post I ever remember making. People were not amused hahahahaha. (I actually don't mind some Metallica tracks now. I didn't like St Anger.) Then went off them not long after, and unlike a bunch of other pop punk bands I was into over the following years I never really go back to listen to them. Kind of cringy for me now.

    Drab Majesty is opening for AFI on their October-December 2022
    Ah that's a really decent lineup. And I wouldn't mind checking AFI out since they were pretty good live when I saw them supporting Deftones (kind of a random mix lol. There were people in the queue who were just there for AFI too lol.)
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    (Actually wrote this post days ago but posting now. Also it's Christmas so Merry Christmas and such.)

    So I recently stumbled onto the goth subreddit and there's a thread about this one YouTuber's video which I haven't watched but there are a bunch of comments that are really too dramatic about the new Wednesday show (which I haven't gotten around to watching yet either lol.) Apparently people on tiktok replaced the music with Lady Gaga. I don't think anyone is going to genuinely think Lady Gaga is goth but even if they do I don't think I care. I'm not on tiktok and this isn't relevant to me. I find it hard to believe it would be relevant to irl spaces either.

    This is controversial, but I don't see the goth subculture as needing to be a music based subculture. Nor do I really think it's about clothes or a certain look. To me I think it's more of a worldview where you find 'darkness' appealing/beautiful. I was drawn to stuff like that from a young age and saw it described that way by someone else once and that resonates with me more. I also don't think the goth music subculture gets to have a monopoly on the label 'gothic' since gothic fiction predates it.

    Like these comments on a YouTube video I more or less agree with:

    Gonna be honest, I feel like this is a chicken or egg debate. I grew up in a farm town and for me the aesthetic came first. It's how I wanted to be for as long as I can remember. And, the music has to be rooted in something in the first place, had to resonate with something on some deeper level, in order to become it's own genre. I don't believe it's as simple as one leading to the other.
    The music was rooted in something to become its own genre. It was another genre of music called Punk which is the core of Goth. Goth music was born of punk music and just like punk the subculture grew from it. Which is why when you look at early pictures of Goth at its inception, they look a bit like dark punks.
    Came back to clarify after a good discussion with a friend about core values and themes that make up the culture. What I was trying to express wasn't an argument against goth culture being tied to music or the importance of situating it within that context, but that both the music and the aesthetic have a broader set of influences in common that coalesced around the music. My view is that all these different facets of the culture evolved together with music being a unifier and that various gateways exist.
    I appreciate you coming back to clarify! I didn't think that you were saying anything against Goth. I truly appreciate the discussion! The thing about the subculture is if those two things were integral removing one would surely kill it. The thing is, if you remove the elaborate fashion You still have the music which still gives people that emotional outlet. Listening to it, seeing their favorite bands live, going to a club and dancing to it etc. However if you take away the music and only have the fashion what you're left with as a trend. I hope this makes sense.
    absolutely, and yes I agree to an extent. I truly appreciate your perspective. I think it's possibly something that comes from the longevity of the culture and the number of historical influences that have come together to shape it. But, to me personally it's a philosophy and I express it through music and dress. From a personal perspective I was always this person. Goth as we know it absolutely wouldn't exist without the music, but I love and have always loved all these other historical sources of inspiration that led it into being. Thanks for engaging the topic with me. Not sure if it counts as goth in anyone else's book but mine, but I'd love to know your thoughts on Barbara the Gray Witch if you've ever got the time to give it a listen.
    Though obviously people are discriminated against based on their presentation or vibe up to the point of being murdered. (the complete psychopathy of these people is so unbelievably disgusting.) So it helps to have some label to discuss this phenomena. Though I guess the killers referred to them as 'moshers.' Emos have also been physically assaulted globally. Most of the time they're not assaulted based on their music preferences but based on the perception that the people wearing certain outfits have certain other traits and/or beliefs.

    And in saying that, I do like/enjoy a bunch of goth, dark wave music (not sure if this subreddit counts the latter they seem divided.) Also other related genres. One of my favourite albums as a teenager was Pornography by The Cure. I also like or occasionally listen to some of Christian Death's music, The Sister's of Mercy, Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Fields of Nephilim, Drab Majesty, Молчат Дома (if that doesn't work Molchat Doma,) you get the idea. Not that I'd exclusively consider myself a goth, and definitely don't exclusively listen to goth music.

    I don't really get why so much discussion is dedicated to policing boundaries though. Because the threat always seems disproportionate to me. It seems like a huge aspect of all internet communities and subcultures and it was like the first thread I clicked on in the subreddit a few days ago.

    I had to know what they were saying about bands too. There was a thread from a couple of years ago with someone listing bands that people think are goth but aren't and they put Type O Negative on it. OK but they're gothic metal. They're OK with people discussing darkwave music and such on this subreddit but not other adjacent genres?

    Post-punk goth and goth rock aren't the only genres accepted here. There is also darkwave, which is new wave/synthpop plus goth; ethereal wave, an off-shoot of darkwave which later interacted with the dreampop/shoegaze scenes; deathrock, considered to be a spookier and more atmospheric version of punk and coldwave, which is French/Belgian post-punk/goth.
    There was even one post where someone suggested O. Children should be added to the list because some of their music was more alternative. Even though they've made stuff like this lol:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh1o_03ilQY

    The Cure are mentioned in the subreddit description even though they have plenty of music that isn't goth rock lol.

    But apparently this subreddit has a bit of a reputation and I found this screenshot in a subreddit about gatekeeping lol:

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    Some of the bands listed are unambiguously goth rock and yet they didn't even answer the question and were just like 'Nope you mentioned Type O Negative.' Lol. Do you want to help people discover music or not?

    I'm sorry but music like this is clearly adjacent:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yong-3x9WB4

    One of those lists of bands in that thread also included Blutengel and The Birthday Massacre. Not sure if you can talk about them on the subreddit or not since although both are darkwave I'm going to assume based on their nitpicking that they only mean stuff like The Frozen Autumn. Quite a lot of this is that nobody likes mainstream music. To some extent mainstream music is always designed in a way where it blends genres and is less 'pure' so if you're snobbish about it that will be a problem.

    Ended up on a YouTube video in the end where someone was talking about how their mum was part of the goth scene somewhere in the US back in the day, and they also mentioned that she listened to more metal stuff and listed some bands. Someone responded saying essentially that his mum was a real goth unlike 'goth' girls today who listen to *insert various metalcore and scene bands from the 2000s 2 of which most teens wouldn't be that into now.* Blood On the Dance Floor in particular were never that popular, (I never really liked the one track I heard from them tbh,) and then there were the sexual allegations which probably put an end to that fandom having any significance. Then amusingly someone else weighed in with 'those aren't goth bands they stole our look.'

    Metalheads are also sometimes like this. I think my first conversation with someone who predominantly listened to metal as a teenager involved them telling me Slipknot aren't metal they're hardcore. Which wasn't even true. They have no connection to punk/hardcore punk. Just say you don't like mainstream music and go. On this note I can't find the video now but I know the YouTuber F.D Signifier was talking about this and I think mentioning it contributed to both rock and metal sort of losing appeal with young people over time and now there's a hiphop singularity. I thought he might have brought it up in this video but I re-watched it recently and don't think it is that one. Maybe it was a point in a completely unrelated video. He was also talking about this on twitter.



    And it's kind of ironic because very few if any of the original goth rock musicians wanted to be associated with the label. And I think because I listen to a little bit of everything now, I do find these attitudews obnoxious. And it would definitely put off people who are curious/young/not an encyclopedia of music. And often there's a kind of misogyny associated with some of these attitudes too ('stupid teen girls' etc,) but that's a whole other topic.

    And yeah similar stuff happens with gatekeeping re: fashion styles which is even more dumb.

    Oh and now I can post this hahahaha.

    edit: and that subreddit reminded me that Stabbing Westward exist (and aren't goth lol,) it's been a little under a decade I think lol. Actually possibly over a decade I don't even know lol.
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    I'm ambivalent about this (the opinion that people shouldn't buy her future work to signal support of trans people.) It's not really going to economically hurt JK Rowling (and perhaps she deserves to George Lucas herself?) But I find it very amusing that Rowling is butthurt about this to the point of responding (and so I suppose she's made clear that tweeting this kind of thing will get her attention if you wanted to piss her off):



    This is not how you have a midlife crisis as a British writer though.

    "On my 40th birthday rather than merely bore my friends by having anything as mundane as a midlife crisis I decided it might be more interesting to actually terrify them by going completely mad and declaring myself a magician. This had been something coming for a while, it seemed to be a logical end step in my career as a writer." - Alan Moore.

    Speaking of cats (weirdo Rowling fans were attacking cats/her on her cat photo tweet lol,) on Christmas this cat brushed up against the bag I was carrying and then followed me for a few streets while I was walking back home. Well more that it was sort of walking with me and my brother then when it got further ahead it kept pausing to look back and see if we were still there. That hasn't happened since I was in secondary school and a cat followed me to school (it seemed to like my PE kit bag that's prob a coincidence I dunno.) I think on both occasions they were black cats but not 100% sure. I like cats because (in theory I've never owned one,) they don't put up with bs, they're silly and neurotic but also edgy, and it's more like having a roommate.

    Lol when David is staying with the Amish people and they're like 'please no. Leave' and he's dressed in like subtle 'goth ninja' fashion. I do need that outfit. How is this low quality thing that's classified 'youtube for kids' (what?) The only upload of that scene lol?



    Oh and a cosplay short with someone doing an impression of Alexis saying David well actually I guess the rest of the family but Alexis's David's are more iconic:



    edit: Oh my god I just realised their relationship dynamic is sort of like someone took this episode of parks and rec and then thought 'but what if April and Tynnyfer were brother and sister?'
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    Gotta love No Context Brits.

    There is the Goose Warning.

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    The Cockney Cash Machine (im going to need to find this one.)

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    The sarcasm.

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    The queueing.

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    Insane Momemnts in Britiah Politics is also kinda funny.

    Universal Owl Ownership.

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    Elmo and Count Binface standing as electoral candidates.

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    The guy in a monkey suit who managed to be elected as mayor with a policy of "Bananas for all."

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    The new twitter viewcount is weird because I just responded to something from a couple of weeks ago and I can see my response is still getting views from somewhere lol. I don't know if your own views count. I mean instantly it had multiple views too. When you start out on YouTube you won't (typically,) get that lol.

    I still find it very funny when anti-trans activists try to use autogynpehilia as a weapon (I mean it probably works to some extent with a lot of people because of the puritan culture.) Just cause I did look into all of this while trying to figure out my own sexuality years ago and ultimately realised that some trans women do fit into the concept especially in a broader sense. I gained probably a better understanding of it then they did during this time and talked to trans people who were AGP. And ultimately it didn't effect my views on trans people's rights at all. I think as sexual interests go it's one of the most inconsequential things.

    The funniest part is when they admit to collecting porn etc to try and prove that trans women are evil. Uh, they're not all AGP and I wouldn't really give a [BEEP] if they were. This puts me in a very unique position in the culture war (not literally but close to. Aella is also triggering everyone all the time with her twitter polls about controversial and illegal stuff lol. I posted a link to her blog with her research on AGP + AAP but actually prob shouldn't direct link here, but you can google it anyway by searching Aella substack and then looking. Like she pisses everyone off trans people, feminists, other sex workers, conservatives, it's fascinating really. Also she got attacked for the AGP research by some dick who dates trans women and has devoted his online presence to defending 'HSTS trans women' (straight, feminine and people he might want to [BEEP] basically,) at the expense of everyone else. But he hates AGP trans women and I really dislike him I've gotten into arguments with him too years ago over my own gender/sexuality. He doesn't tolerate any pushback to his beliefs. Also very into the obnoxious side of manosphere stuff too. But a singular individual really. I don't think I've come across anyone ideologically like him either. And then he started arguing in her twitter mentions with someone I used to talk to on discord who she'd mentioned and who he also doesn't get along with lol.) but it's my 'birth right' to be an edgy contrarian I guess.

    But you see a lot of people arguing it's sexist etc. And maybe I was somewhat immune to this viewpoint because I'd always been sceptical of feminism due to the misandric and sex negative parts and certain elements of progressivism more broadly. I mean as an example I've been subscribed to shoeonhead since the beginning of her channel. I obviously haven't agreed with her on everything and I think she now overreacts to stuff like the Balenciaga thing in a moral panic fashion too, and is way too happy with the block button on twitter. I also realise she has ADHD though and this effects her emotional reactions on a platform that already incentivises quick/fast emotional responses that's going to be near impossible to control.

    But then I discovered Leslie Feinberg too and she's spoken about the effects a lot of the feminism of her time had on working class butch/femme communities in her writing (not positively,) so yeah.

    I think finding it sexist if someone is turned on by being feminine etc and thinking it reflects on you shows weak ego boundaries which is something a lot of people struggle with (I do as well,) but you have to work on. Especially if you want to be a dominant woman.

    So coincidentally Lili Elbe was on the Google homepage today because it's her 140th birthday (so I take it she's now the longest lived Human. Beating Jeanne Calment by 18 years. This is why we have to ban trans women from competitions with cis women. No lol.) She's mostly known because of the The Danish Girl film which isn't very accurate to her life. A lot of people criticise it because of it's representation of her but to me that isn't the most interesting part of the film. It's how they erased her wife Gerda Wegener's sexuality (among other things.) To create a 'trans widow' type narrative. I haven't seen the film but I did read through the script years ago. So, she was distressed by this transformation. But they were together for many years in real life (the time frame in the film is made to feel a lot quicker.) Her actual life ending was pretty depressing and dramatic really but for different reasons.

    Essentially she re-married around the time Lili died and then from what I've read her new husband spent a lot of her money she divorced him and then since her work had fallen out of fashion she eventually died destitute and poor like most artists throughout history without anyone around her I think.

    She did say this and while I don't agree with a literal interpretation of this quote and the way similar quotes are used today. I think there is something kind of important here that's been lost by some feminist discourse:

    "Woman must unleash her womanly instincts and qualities, play on her feminine charm, and win the competition with man by virtue of her womanliness — never by trying to imitate him."

    You as an individual don't have to be feminine or exhibit certain qualities, but if you go after these qualities then you become like the most obnoxious male chauvinists and their constant war against male femininity only directed at women instead. That makes you insecure. (It's like Trunchbull going after Miss Honey in Matilda. Of course Miss Honey barely exists. You get Abby Shapiro because all people are capable of great cruelty. But you ultimately end up attacking all the positive traits too.)

    Also (though again it's not actually about you,) "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" I don't think they're 'narcissistic' in the right/goddess style to understand that. We don't have a lot of people with that kind of confidence now. Well maybe her lol:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohs0a-QnFF4

    (They were for some reason comparing Gerda Wegener to Lady Gaga too. 'They' lol I mean academics I guess.)

    It's also part of the same purity worldview I mentioned before that leads people to creepily post things like this on music videos:

    No hypersexual outfits. .. I loooooove this.
    But i really dont even care if it gets no views, she actually stood up for something and behaving like a respectable human being and not stripping off just for clicks. Plus the track is dope af.
    No nudity no sexual overtones just pure talent
    Same, she doesn’t need extravagant makeup, fancy clothes, she just her that’s what I love about sigrid plus her songs are good too
    The worst of it is that they don't get to be creative. They're constantly being straight jacketed by creepy desires for role models. It becomes quite limiting to their own expression. Hence:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIT8Y3LC6M

    "I spend a lot of time thinking about humans. And I wanted to make a song wrapped in a blanket of obliviousness whilst speaking the wonderful and horrible truth that I see in us. We are always striving for something. If it's love, money, sex, success, power or just a bigger piece of a delicious chocolate cake. It's very interesting. Its grotesque. It's beautiful.
    It's giving me this energy lol.

    I think the more you do this the more music videos like 'Thot [BEEP]' and 'WAP' will come out. I can't even post Thot [BEEP] here because of the end of the music video lol. It's obviously not about sex (or just about it.) It's a reaction to transparent attempts at control. So many music videos like this these days are very aggressive actually in spite of whatever sexual imagery exists. They're confrontational. That definitely makes people uncomfortable. So you're discouraging 'authentic' expression by being Ben Shapiro. But the authenticity isn't really the dividing aspect it's an authentic reaction but it is a reaction ultimately.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uBM0U4UUFg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqSt1ZS_Znw

    Ben disliking juxtapositions or 'the contrast.' It's great here's another one. And another one 'I heard I don't belong in this scene. Sex metal barbie attention fiend' And another one. And another one. (This one is the most similar really because she had the goal to become a world class violinist but left classical music over issues with how she was expected to present aesthetically.)

    He says 'it's the contrast' about Lizzo playing the flute with the twerking 60k times lol. Yes. Ben. (Slow clap.) People enjoy the experimentation and sometimes you get really great stuff:





    "Oh, I can feel a holy war
    I can feel a holy war within
    No, I can't take a holy war
    No, I can't take a holy war again

    Is this what you wanted?

    I'm gonna bring a little hell
    I'm gonna bring a little heaven
    You just keep wanting more
    With your blood and your whore"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOtKC_GZ9o

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o23w8i0H-w

    I could go on lol but most Western music is playing with this to some extent and it's a mostly Pagan or older concept where you break down categories to communicate with the spiritual. Obviously most people aren't literally believing or doing that that's just how many older cultures or even some non Western cultures more recently explained stuff and integrated people. (The value judgement is purely Abrahamic.)
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    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
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    Insane Momemnts in Britiah Politics is also kinda funny.

    Universal Owl Ownership.

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    Elmo and Count Binface standing as electoral candidates.

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    The guy in a monkey suit who managed to be elected as mayor with a policy of "Bananas for all."

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    Lol I forgot about that. There's Lord Buckethead too.
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    Everybody got mixed feelings
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    Lol I forgot about that. There's Lord Buckethead too.
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    Same guy as Binface, Buckethead just got sued because it was Buckethead was the character of some American film, so he became Binface.

    I like how they have to take him seriously though and he gets to go to the hustings and answer questions.

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    Same guy as Binface, Buckethead just got sued because it was Buckethead was the character of some American film, so he became Binface.

    I like how they have to take him seriously though and he gets to go to the hustings and answer questions.

    Oh right I thought they were different people because I saw them both being mentioned in video titles together like Lord Buckethead vs Count Binface. I didn't know about the film character but I noticed there was a guitarist called Buckethead with a mask and KFC bucket on his head.

    It's satirical but probably makes more sense then a lot of serious politics lol.
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    I haven't really been following the whole of this video series because it's really long (like my posts >.> I'm going to justify this by saying this is millenial vs gen z thing like YouTube video essays vs tiktok and tweets. My obnoxious posts are just millennial culture.) but I've tapped in and out and I thought I recognised the anecdote with J who is/was into ballet from something I read online years ago but it seems like they continued with ballet but on a male dance team. I remember reading this really creepy article by this mum who was fixated on this idea of their child being this ballet dancer basically and mourning the fact that they stopped being into it and other things after coming out as trans. Very unhealthy.

    Also 'L Introduced J to anime and computer-animated images of anthropomorphised animals' First of all 'L' very funny. L introduced a lot of [people to anime. (decent soundtrack too.) Secondly they're all so triggered by the anthropomorphic animals all the time. Personally I've never been that into them, even the Disney films with talking animals were my least favourite. The exception being dragons I guess. I mean I think dragons in general are pretty cool. Not quite sure why they see it as such a huge deal (well I do, it's the same reason people fixate on them in 'cringe culture.' Neurodivergent people tend to be drawn to these characters.)

    This feels like a really weird culture war delay for a culture that started mostly in the 2000s (well way earlier really, but it took off a bit more in the 2000s, and the parents are only freaking out about it now and since 2015ish. How slow are you? 'Exposed genderbread person in class, horrified one mum.' Hilarious.)

    But more seriously imagine someone picking over every single detail of your life and using things like 'wasn't attracted to girls/women, did ballet, played Cinderella once, didn't want a short haircut,' to argue that you're not a trans guy or that you're cisgender. Then many of these same people bizarrely say that being trans reinforces stereotypes. You can't win either way.

    to quote in the section about 'G' who is from an Indian background: 'the move was largely successful' and yet they go on to talk about how 'G' is still openly [BEEP] etc online with their friends but just doesn't bring it up with their family. So they're closeted lol.

    That quote from Douglas later in the video where he talks about being made to feel like he's betraying women and that his gender is a political battle is something I think a lot of people can relate to. It's a message that's kind of shoved down our throats constantly to guilt trip us. Everyone who is genetically female has this message shoved down their throat.

    It's a big part of my issue with feminism (many aspects of it anyway.) You're expected to sacrifice your individuality and question every feeling/motive you have because 'patriarchy.' People who don't go along with this are derided as having internalised misogyny or being 'not like the other girls.' Of course it bothers trans and non-binary people. It also bothers cis women like shoeonhead (this video is a particularly extreme expression of this ideology lol but yeah. The sentiment is unfortunately everywhere.

    From the comment section:

    "immerse them in traditional Indian culture" Obviously Abigail did no research on this, but, "traditional Indian culture" has a third-gender tradition, the Hijra, and India officially recognized the hijra as a third gender option on things like passports in 2014. But, then again, TERFs have a tendency to completely ignore or work to try to undermine third-gender traditions from all around the world because, if they did admit that they're valid, then they'd be admitting that they're completely and utterly wrong and that Western culture is actually quite unusual in world cultures for NOT having strong third gender or gender variant traditions.
    While it's true that some Hindus believe that hijras are 'neither men nor women,' it's worth bearing a couple of things in mind:

    1) the label 'Hijra' is usually restricted to amab people,
    2) Hijras are very poorly treated in India. More people are willing to acknowledge they exist, and few people would ever refer to them as 'men,' they are very much seen as 'freaks,' and 'homosexuals' (hijra, or the more derogatory chakka are common insults applied to men). It's not something any but the most progressive, open minded parents would be happy to hear about their child. Even the third gender thing might sound progressive until you realise that it is (as far as I can see) pretty much restricted to amab trans femmes.
    Yup trans men/trans masc people are forced to be closeted and erased in most cultures and have no place in Indian culture. I've read about this before in India:

    The transgender man somehow hasn’t made it to India's collective public imagination, and continues to remain an inscrutable figure in the LGBTI discourse. Siddhant More, a transman from Mumbai laments the fact that his identity is akin to that of an alien’s.
    Siddhant also rues the fact that the show Satyamev Jayate, hosted by Aamir Khan invited two transwomen, a lesbian, and a gay man but not a transman. He says, 'That show broke ground with millions of Indians who for the first time saw that members of the LGBTI community were just normal human beings looking for acceptance. It's unfortunate they could not invite a transman citing time-constraints. They could have had a transwoman and a transman each instead of two transwomen. It could’ve made a difference. On a positive note, I was transitioning around the same time the show was televised, and several people who watched it said they understand trans issues better now. '
    Siddhant says, ‘Whenever laws and bills are passed regarding transgender rights, transmen are almost never called to the discussion table. Not once, have I been called, nor am I aware of other transmen who've been invited to sit with policy-makers.
    So in one article they bring up this old story. A lot of cultures have a story like the below story. The details change slightly but it always involves war or combat. I don't know why people are particularly fixated on this memetic idea of transmasculine or non-binary people in war. I'm still too lazy to make the YouTube video (tm) It reminds me of the 'they/them army' memes that people decided to shitpost about with Ukraine as well.. The juxtaposition presumably amuses or annoys people and of course in the present it's somewhat because everyone's always talking about this topic, but yeah. There's still a historical precedent for some reason. It's weird to have the only historical mythological references be war stories:

    In the Mahabharata, one of the two Sanskrit epics from the Indian subcontinent, which narrated the great war between the Pandavas and Kauravas, is the story of Princess Amba who became Shikhandi in another birth. Through rebirth, subsequent cross-dressing, and ‘sex change’, Shikhandi plays one of the decisive roles in the outcome of that great war and a turning point in the epic.
    Wikipedia prob summarises it in less characters so:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikhandi

    Shikhandi, whose natal female identity is sometimes rendered Shikhandini,[3] is the reincarnation of Amba, a princess who was abducted, and later spurned by Bhishma. The prince fights in the Kurukshetra War on the side of his brothers-in-law, the Pandavas, and is instrumental in causing the death of Bhishma. He also engages in combat with great warriors like Ashwatthama, Kripa, and Kritavarma.
    Before the Kurukshetra War, Bhima opts for Shikandi to be the commander-in-chief of the Pandava army, as he was born to kill Bhishma, but Arjuna and Krishna prefer Dhrishtadyumna instead. Shikandi is made the commander of one of the seven akshauhinis of the Pandava army.
    It seems to be a uh, problematic legacy. And I'm really tired of the eternal 'it's because you can't find the right guy' narrative.

    Distressed by her parents' suffering, Shikhandi left the city, deciding to fast to death. She found a forest that humans were terrified to enter, because it was inhabited by a yaksha named Stunakarna.
    In Hindu, Jain and Buddhist texts, the yakṣa has a dual personality. On the one hand, a yakṣa may be an inoffensive nature-fairy, associated with woods and mountains; but there is also a darker version of the yakṣa, which is a kind of ghost (bhuta) that haunts the wilderness and waylays and devours travellers, similar to the rakṣasas. She entered the premises of the yaksha, and started to perform austerities. When Stunakarna enquired regarding her practices, Shikhandi told him her tale. Feeling compassionate, the yaksha offered to exchange his sex with her for a certain period of time, to which Shikhandi agreed.
    This feels familiar.

    Trans masculine identities from mythology and oral folklore transitions, over time, have been mostly not given due importance and therefore, forgotten over time, and not as known in contemporary times as many of the trans feminine mythological figures are. This primarily reflects the deep-seated patriarchy of Indian society. Shikhandi was a trans masculine [BEEP] identity that has often been misinterpreted and stories like those of Chudala have been downplayed historically and culturally. The interpretations and retellings have mostly implied Shikandini to be a eunuch (castrated male) or sometimes an intersex person or even imply gender ambiguity.
    Ishtar/Inanna is more of a transfeminine deity (I guess,) who switches people's sex and had a lot of effeminate gay or trans (if you wanted to put them into a western lens,) followers, but also a goddess of war.

    Anyway though "There's also people on this hellsite who think that objectivity in art is being corroded by the left and we're gonna come and destroy the nature of beauty and truth itself with fursonas and they/them pronouns and if you're watching this and you believe that it's true we're coming for you."

    So back to reality. I think the US is the most open/aware of trans men. And part of that is thanks to writers like Leslie Feinberg and Judith Butler but also lawyers like Chase Strangio. But it's not surprising right it's the most individualist culture in the world and they're not number 1 for legal rights, but they do have a lot of very vocal people. Every famous or high profile trans guy I can think of is from the US (except for certain YouTubers and Elliot Page who is Canadian.) Most non-binary people too. I think there are a couple of famous British non-binary actors now that have popped up in the last couple of years. The one that plays Hunter Schafer's clone on House of Dragon lol... On another British show they hired a non-binary actor from America (Dua Saleh,) to play one of two non-binary characters. I didn't watch the show besides a few clips. Their character is more rebellious and contrasted with the other character (also played by a non-binary actor,) who tries not to shake things up too much. This ethnic choice seemed quite pointed at how things are in the US vs UK.

    Quote Juno Dawson, a British trans woman
    Let’s play a little game: how many famous transgender women can you name? Five? Ten? Let’s see, there’s Caitlyn Jenner, Laverne Cox, Andreja Pejić, Hari Nef, Kellie Maloney, Nadia Almada, Lily and Lana Wachowski, Lauren Harrie... the list goes on. But what about five famous transgender men? No, I thought not. I’d struggle, and I am trans.
    But still to this day right I can't think of anyone in the UK who is a trans guy unless you count YouTubers. There's two, one is Jamie Raines. He's quite pleasant and involved in research. I think high functioning in life. Married to a woman. 'One of the good ones (tm)' The other (whose video I posted before,) obviously is bogged down by the lack of acceptance and avoiding confrontation and many mental health issues, and there's a third person who moved from the UK to France as a teenager and stopped making videos years ago.

    It is a hard pill to swallow when you realize that the person that you've become is purely for the benefit, convenience, and comfort of others.
    Completely unrelated but this is still the most insane thing I've ever read:

    After the swatting incident, Sorrenti said she moved out of her home and into a hotel for her safety.[37][38] After she posted a photograph of her cat on the hotel bed, Kiwi Fa**s users identified the hotel from the bedsheets in the photograph, and sent multiple pizza orders to the hotel under her deadname. "Obviously, the pizza itself isn't the problem. It's the threat they send by telling me they know where I live and are willing to act on it in the real world," she said in a video after the incident.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
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    Why do people keep infantilising Greta Thunberg? She's 19 years old and people are straight up calling her a child. She's like the third Scandinavian woman I've seen people turn into some kind of weird childlike pure saint figure (the other two being the musicians Aurora and Sigrid obviously.)

    The amount of people on twitter that think that Andrew Tate sounds like he's from Luton is pretty funny because he doesn't at all (I would know, obviously.) He has a really singular accent and has obviously moved around a lot to a few of the Gotham cities. (DC, Chicago,) I know the media are very driven to attach him to Luton specifically though.
    The impulse is pure
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    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
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    I know that Squid Game shot to popularity, but personally, if we're talking about TV shows where you play games that can kill you, Alice in Borderland is the better show in my opinion. Though granted the premise is a lot...weirder.

    And the Seven of Hearts Game gets me everytime.
    I'M GONNA FIGHT 'EM ALL
    A SEVEN NATION ARMY COULDN'T HOLD ME BACK.......


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    So I removed this post before because it was long and unnecessary but then decided I wanted to keep parts of it. So... I rewrote it a bit and it's still long...

    Apparently some trans people on twitter are freaking out about F1NN5TER. I Don't follow him (his content is clearly geared at a younger and different audience.) He's a crossdresser who can pass as a woman and makes a lot of content centred around that. So a bunch of people have been claiming he's fetishising the transfeminine experience because he'll get less hate than trans women. Some of it is very obviously stemming from a dislike of men. He's not openly gay so is mostly assumed to be straight too. It reminds me a bit of the discourse around Harry Styles complaining about him 'queerbaiting.' Because he crossdresses but is straight.

    Personally I like it when a guy looks more feminine/neotenous than me - not sexually - just because it's unfortunately rare given my features. Of course he's getting comments like 'why are you calling this person a man? He's clearly trying to present like a woman.' The guy who tweeted that retracted it after people clarified but it's a shame he didn't clarify that himself.

    Someone is using Judith Butler to argue that he must be a trans woman because he must be on hrt because 'why else would you go through the effort?' (No evidence of that. Seems very feminine looking physically even without makeup etc. This was based on a joke tweet where he compared himself crossdressing with a photo of a completely different guy.) That's a bit irritating. Reminds me of this discussion in a Contrapoints video which also irritated me at the time lol. 'Teenage gay boys on instagram, the only people with any coherent vision of contemporary womanhood' 'that's insanity' I can't quote it all there's a few minutes that's relevant than she starts talking about Judith Butler (I'm ideologically closer to Tabby.) As you can see it's not really 'pointless speculative fiction' certainty not for many trans men, but even sufficiently feminine cis men online.

    It's weird how people can get to the same point through different pathways. Like some people hate femboys because they're men 'encroaching on female territory,' and some hate them because of their femininity. Someone compared some of the comments about him to terfs and I can see their point. It's very funny actually ideologically speaking, because all these groups have ideological overlap and commonalities. Like radical feminism of the kind that terfs preach is rooted in the Catholic church several writers were ex Catholics/nuns etc. Some trans women have adopted this to varying degrees because 'lesbian feminism' often appeals to them if they're not attracted to men. Conservatives also overlap with trad con Christians.

    There are a lot of people pointing out that trans women are expected to look like this or saying things like 'as long as you don't expect trans women to look like this' and it's interesting really. But my view basically is:

    1. I don't expect anyone to look a certain way.

    2. Even in terms of what I find attractive that isn't my ideal for men or women. It's kind of funny that everyone assumes it is for everyone. His aesthetic is fairly common for femboys I guess this kind of youthful femininity. For starters when I find women attractive at all they tend to be older? And more androgynous in some way or other. The three famous/fictional women I was noticeably attracted to: 1, 2, (Lol I didn't even specify which person. Oh well.) 3.

    Also Loki if you count him/her. I like tumblr sexy women I guess? Lol. Problematic. (This song's lyrics don't really work lol as I'm not really sorry, and I grew up in a very diverse town.) I can be into conventional femininity but not romantically really, it's just a sexual thing occasionally. My tastes are very 'bisexual woman from a certain social group and time's stereotypical taste in women' but whatever. Also I'm very rarely attracted to people these days but yeah.

    Really puts this video into perspective where they talk about how for a long time they felt they had to play up their femininity to appeal to men then decided to stop dating men because they realised women are attracted to androgyny:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhM1NBJN5pU

    Until they realised some guys find androgyny attractive. But, this kind of aesthetic F1NN5TER uses has a wide appeal, especially among cis straight men. A lot of people are as I said accusing him of fetishising trans women, but I actually think it's not so niche. He's appealing to the common beauty standards of young white women and as such is making a lot of money off that as you can do online.

    Sometimes there's envy involved in the complaints but there's a distaste for when people use femininity for profit. There are a lot of drawbacks to being a man who looks as he does, so I don't begrudge him this. It's certainly not going to make dating straight women easy and I get the impression he's straight.

    Also just learnt that streamer guy is British too just like Harry Styles haha (this is a coincidence but yeah.) When I first heard about that guy I thought they were talking about Pyrocynical but couldn't remember his name. He's also British. Crossdresses. There's been a bunch of comments/memes centred on this idea of younger British guys and androgyny though which is weird. It's not really something most here play up.

    There's also this ideological viewpoint that appears on social media where essentially if you're deemed to be less oppressed than trans women and relatively feminine you're hurting trans women or trans people (but it's mostly trans women who come up.) I don't want to exaggerate it but there was even that instagram post Hunter Schafer responded to, that's how loud some people are. So they're not keen on afab (genetically female,) people who are feminine but identify as non-binary or trans either. They don't bother to really clarify what they want, so it often just seems like they want people to stfu and not exist. There are certainly trans people who will go after anyone who doesn't pass/transition like Blaire White, but this is a slightly different ideological viewpoint and I've seen way more LGBT+ people ranting about 'theyfabs' which specifies a genetically female person, often who doesn't seem butch or who hasn't medically transitioned as well, than 'theymabs.' Part of that is just the complete invisibility of that group though. They also often dislike drag queens.

    This is why I like to shitpost that feminine afab non-binary people are the cis het men of the trans community haha. I'm very easily amused by irony.

    I don't know what it's like for young people now and how they feel at this point since they don't open up very often unsurprisingly with the culture and political climate, but it comes with a lot of sacrifice and other issues and limitations eg:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7dLcDUUUMo

    (I was going to quote parts of this but it will make this way too long again.)

    Just noticed this... Interesting series of comments on that video lol:

    I unfortunately cannot relate with....the gender identity portion? Like...my personal opinions aside. Idk. Poppy z is my favorite writer....sex...male sex is something I will never do because vampires don't exist, my fave androgynous musicians probably won't fawk me any time soon....soooo.....I'm straight, and male and yeah idk. I hate that we relate and....idk. We grew up in a very similar era....idk..I wish to hell we could conversate one on one. ���� Reluctantly, Hugh.
    Well and also I am hetero as shit being switchy in only a Greek god sense in which If I didn't kill the person I'd banged I doubt I could live with my identity crisis.
    Perhaps also.....you're ok with "she" because after having been goth and looked at as a freak dog sludge monkey.....I know I wouldn't care like when classmates falsely accused me of being "gay" or even debating if I were female bc of "long hair" no...shit...
    Biggest thing I think I owe you though....I refer to you as she ...I always will... I'm a hick hetero guy but I respect your feelings and don't do so out of hate or aggression. At a point....it was. Now.... I just hope you can fell HALF as recognized as ur vids make me feel
    I think he said he's straight. Lol. I'm hoping he's speaking metaphorically... You don't have to bottom... 'male sex is something I'll never do because vampires don't exist' is pretty funny just as a sentence though.

    I do relate to a bunch of stuff in that video (sexually and genderwise,) but I spend so much of my life not engaged with myself. Like I'm incredibly dissociated. To the point of not really existing in a sense a lot of the time. Which obviously contributes to my identity and sexuality issues (it has an overall numbing effect and over the past few years I've found less and less people attractive even in contexts where I used to regularly find at least one person very attractive at any point in time.) I have to go off glimpses of myself here and there. I dunno I feel like that's the kind of thing certain drugs I've told myself are off the table help with. Annoyingly. I'm not the kind of person to take risks at all.

    I think about this Porcupine Tree lyric a lot. "I simply am not here no way I- shut up be happy stop whining please." But you know it's somewhat the curse of modern life and other clich?s people say over and over. "There's nothing left, I simply am not here." Also from this song Normal "But am I here? It's kind of hard to tell. I do a good impression of myself. But what's normal now anyhow?" Sometimes it's frustrating because I try to find music to connect and as a coping mechanism (very obviously lol.) But the older I've gotten the less I relate entirely.

    The dissociation I feel doesn't feel like depression most of the time but I think Have a Nice Life and Giles Corey do a really good job with depression through music (I also really like Dan's solo stage name. It's taken from a guy who was killed along with his wife during the Salem Witch Trials. "After being arrested, Corey refused to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. He was subjected to pressing in an effort to force him to plead—the only example of such a sanction in American history—and died after three days of this torture. Because Corey refused to enter a plea, his estate passed on to his sons instead of being seized by the local government.") I have emotional dysregulation issues though and can get angry very easily at times.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXyRAsBp998

    I like the chorus.

    And I just don't, and I just don't accept this
    I just don't accept this at all
    And I just don't, and I just don't accept this
    I just don't accept this at all


    The actual song meaning lol:

    "It’s the end of the world, and God is wreaking havoc on existence. Human beings the world over pile their broken bodies into a giant stairway, from which every remaining survivor shoots hand-made arrows into the sky, killing god and causing his blood, frozen in the infinite cold of space, to fall like hail onto the earth."
    Kurt Cobain is left out of this discourse due to being dead for so many years and everyone wants to headcannon him as a trans woman because of things he's mentioned in his journals (it's not usually because he crossdressed from what I've seen no. And I'm not entirely happy that I know these things since I know he never wanted anyone reading those, but I've stumbled on info online. He talked about feeling like an alien a lot when he was younger too, that's something that he actually wrote about in his lyrics and in interviews. Well the other stuff also popped up thematically in his music or otherwise. Had a lot of issues with masculine guys in an archetypal kind of way. Seemed to have some schizoid traits too,) but the people who complain about Harry Styles would probably be freaking out about him if he was young and alive now.



    Was this an excuse to post a Nirvana video? Yeah obviously. His greatest 'look' will always be the labcoat imo (I think it pops up a few times in the above video.) Not enough people talk about that. He also invented red and black stripy jumpers without me realising (no probably not but who cares?) Once as a teenager I was just wearing something I forget what with a beanie hat and my dad was critising me to try and get me to stop wearing the hat because I would always wear it inside, and referenced grunge like 'I know this is probably the style like grunge but take off the hat.'' I wasn't going for that or anything at all (plus this was the early 2000s grunge didn't make a proper come back till the early 2010s.) He made putting in no effort a thing and that's beautiful. Respect.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    I noticed the windows 10 search bar had an art design that looked like the Susuwatari from Studio Ghibli but paler with an acorn and leaf and a little star and apparently it is Hayao Miyazaki's birthday lol so that was cute.



    Also apparently some romance fiction author faked her death and has come back online to announce she was alive all along. That's pretty messed up (even moreso because she said it was a suicide.) Can we get back Anne Rice? That one actually upset me a bit.

    If I've read any of your books that's both a huge deal and means nothing in the sense that I've barely been able to read anything as an adult (besides fanfiction,) I got through like 10% of Dune a few years ago, and haven't read a lot of published fiction in general, but also I have read Twilight which is someone else summed up that series:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceP62v1sACI

    I never did see the films though actually. And I like some of the actor's other work (Lee Pace, Michael Sheen.)

    I've watched some of their videos too many times. It also introduced me to one of the best memes. It's got everything - saxophone music, pixelated low resolution barn video, a horse playing a saxophone, the meta of including the 3D modelling/animation software, it sort of slightly pre-dates gen z memes while inventing the style. Ironic half assed animation work That's very me as someone who did a degree in games art + animation but we only had one module about animation and rigging and I wasn't great at it.

    This has that, “I learned how to 3D animate just so I could make this video.” Video kinda vibe
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    tl;dr I am in no mood.

    Oklahoma has a bill that would ban gender affirming medical procedures for anyone under the age of 26.

    This was inevitable because Bigotry always goes for maximum cruelty for the sake of cruelty.
    I thought that might be the state where a woman was arrested for being shot and miscarrying but that was Alabama. Some other women have been arrested for miscarrying in Oklahoma. So not really surprising to hear this as it's part of their agenda to remove bodily autonomy and prioritise procreation over everything.



    I'm finding this force femme video difficult to [redacted]. Abby Shapiro is more my type and has more believable cottage core lesbian vibes (though she wants men to be masculine so mixed messages.) Thanks for the attempt though! More seriously femininity is demonised in culture so I sometimes feel bad for people like this but if you're going to be a dick:

    Trying to find the best timestamp lol. When she started creating the graph though it was too amusing.

    "I don't like them." (Also Aubrey Plaza invented grandmacore tbh. the sea witch evil hag blog lol)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnVLo6uxqo

    The sinister horror and contempt.



    This is kind of a genre lol 50% are about Girl Defined:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7OjkudXSe0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RNYWb9lnEA

    Lol getting side tracked but this video with that one guy who is pissed off at gamers and then says he thinks they should be doing real estate instead. 'Not everyone is into being a fucking landlord' lol. He's not going to like this but you can make money off of video games.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qvWKlJBjjk

    I find it funny that she expressed concern about how if she was a kid now she might have been told she was trans 'if I liked stereotypical masculine things' while her makeup/clothing is doll like and she just spent a significant amount of time complaining that people view femininity as weak and clearly identifies as feminine strongly. Well that is quite the if isn't it? I'm seeing a lot more of these completely feminine women do this lol. She also said 'when I was on the left' and those people do tend to be the most obnoxious tbh.

    Do they not realise how even in the trans community if you're not conforming people will constantly doubt and question your identity? People have to fight very hard and will often be turned down for hrt on the basis of not meeting stereotypes.

    Like, 2-3 years ago I bought some feminine clothing, and I told about that to my therapist about it, she kinda shut down about questioning my gender, like ?people who are usually gender non-conforming we can see it in their clothing/behaviour, you don?t seem like it?
    Exactly tired of this [BEEP] lol. And the whole 'oh I picked up a ball once in theory and I totally would have been trans'd if I was a teenager now' has this energy:



    Let's say hypothetically you were a gamer

    Another stupid quote: "She [Abigail Shrier] also talks about how these girls don't have a way to be oppressed which I 100% agree with." "A lot of these white teenage girls will really want a way to be oppressed because everyone else is constantly talking about how they're oppressed because of their race or their gender or class so you can easily say you're non-binary because apparently that doesn't have a definition.."

    OK so from the woman who was just complaining about feminine women being criticised and non-binary does have a definition. And if that's the logic then why do you assume it's mostly 'teen girls' don't we generally view women as being more oppressed than men in culture? I believe we fucking do.

    I don't know why she thinks it's high status to be trans masc or non-binary but I'm starting to think these people are just projecting their own feelings of inferiority by assuming trans is cool (same reason some people are bizarrely arguing that every celebrity has undergone 'elite gender inversion.' What? Trans people face high rates of poverty lol statistically, it's not very elite. You saw Caitlyn Jenner and Lady Gaga and lost your mind.) Meanwhile people in the trans community will take issue with you if you don't pass/conform or if you identify partly or wholly as a man, and progressives are notably misandric. Her entire view is just so dumb if you actually have exposure to any trans or non-binary people especially online - and they bring up the internet constantly. Look there is always a group of people who hate you on the basis of a group you belong to, it's just a matter of percentages that varies, and I don't care to argue over the percentages.

    This is the experience of most trans and non-binary people. Alienation with all of the external critical voices usually without the religious dynamic but sometimes with the religious dynamic (and then hostile aggression from some.) It's the faux concern and infantalisation as a means to control people that's really fucking annoying.

    But more importantly:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQKP3Ehucg

    Frank Zappa invented video game music before commercial video games existed. It's very random Japanese video game. Maybe Mario or Katamari Damacy lol I remember playing one of those games for the PS2 I think when I was 18. Someone I knew introduced me to it because he had a copy. It was so random. You just roll everything up into a giant ball. 0:22 in this track is actually reminding me of something a lot though and I'm not sure what.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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