Random Thought of the Day

[Nyctophilia]

"I'm the Hulk, Jake is Iron Man."

I dunno... When it comes to Marvel Jake seems more like Deadpool but without the perverted elements which Charles has instead (though Charles is more accidentally that way for the most part.) Actually I think if you mixed Charles and Jake together with Adrian Pimento, you'd probably get something like Deadpool.



Nah I guess Pimento would be the Deadpool of BB99 although a bit too unhinged.



I don't know who Jake would be then, but he is boyish in a similar way.

Rest in peace Andre Braugher.

Aw man, I almost forgot :(

I didn't. It definitely changes the experience of watching the show a bit.

[Nyctophilia]

Over this past weekend, I saw a comment on r/donorconceived that said having an unrelated adult man living in the household creates a huge risk of physical and sexual abuse for children in that household, that it's a problem that "proponents of gamete donation" never discuss it, and implying that families pursuing donor conception should be counseled by their doctor about the supposed increased risk that the social father would abuse their children. And I'll be honest, I was offended. I'm married to a trans man and I don't think I should have to listen to my doctor parrot the same bullshit conservative assholes have been spewing about my husband and people like him being dangerous to children.

I responded to this comment with a link to a study which found that adoptive families are not more likely to abuse children than biological families, and pointed out that opponents of LGBT rights have used the myth of non-biological fathers being uniquely dangerous to children as an argument against same-sex adoption. We had a short discussion from there with no name-calling or rudeness, so imagine my surprise when I checked Reddit this morning and found a notification that my comment was removed by the mod team.

"While non-DCP members can contribute comments when offering helpful or factual information, content that is offensive, unhelpful, or potentially upsetting to the DCP community is not permitted."

I have to wonder whether my comment was deemed "potentially upsetting" because that person didn't like being told they were repeating a homophobic talking point, or if it was "potentially upsetting" because I asked the commenter to admit to some nuance. I never even said that they were incorrect-- just that the reality is way more complicated than "all non-related adult men are a huge risk to the kids around them." That is the reality-- a social dad is nowhere near as dangerous as Mom's New Boyfriend, and you can't treat the two situations as comparable when talking about how to keep kids safe. It only ends up hurting an already vulnerable population by reinforcing the myth we're all groomers and pedophiles.

It's not a huge risk its a risk - involving step parents and tbf the research that exists on this topic is about cisgender men, not trans men. It's often men criticising themselves.

I also don't think that research tends to include adopted parents. It's about step parents. Adopted children tend to have more developmental issues anyway which do lead to more negative outcomes (not sure about abuse,) this is likely genetic often though because of the kind of people who give their kids up for adoption + early life experiences with poor quality genetic parents before adoption.

It's an opinion based on the outdated notion that a child needs a mother and a father to be successful, though. In reality, studies confirm children do best with two parents, regardless of gender.

Studies have also consistently shown that children with same-sex parents are just as healthy and well-adjusted in terms of their emotional, social, and cognitive development. There's even some that show our children fare better than our counterparts. But you'll never hear them say two moms or two dads are the ideal. Why? Homophobia.

So, yes. It's an opinion, but it's factually incorrect and I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who shares that line of thinking who isn't heteronormative af in their defense of it.

Yes that's true some studies show better outcomes. Depends on what you're looking at too. I think educational outcome might be better sometimes from what I remember.

In many cases of course samesex outcomes are better due to added screening/thought being put into the process of reproduction then say a heterosexual woman who hooks up with a criminal fuckboy and gets pregnant by accident.

I've read a study suggesting that girls raised by two dads had better self esteem or emotional health or something like that anyway before.

There are also some studies that MRAs like to reference suggesting that while single parent households with mums have worse outcomes, single parent households with dads don't. (Probably due to the higher bar for dads getting custody if this is true, though I haven't looked into the research due to nobody ever bothering to link studies.) I also imagine there are differences again genetically between people who are widowed (more common with single dads,) and once again the offspring of the fuckboy you accidentally got pregnant with and didn't abort.

It's funny though because those guys are usually homophobic and trying to encourage women to form relationships with men, be traditional etc yet they often make the case instead that two dads are at least equally good. 😏

I always tell them to find a male partner.

Realistically though two straight dads would parent differently to two gay dads. Different personality traits on average.

Speaking of all of this though:

Just A Baby App - is it legit?

After having our pockets unceremoniously lightened by Olive Fertility, we were recommended the "Just a Baby" app by another couple TTC. Has anyone used it? It feels a bit like Tinder, but has significantly more options than the fertility centers. Is this a hotbed of scammers or a viable alternative to resorting to expensive American sperm banks?

It?s like the dating apps cishet women use - lot of sketchy dudes looking for sex, but with enough vetting you can eventually find a decent guy.

We looked on there in case we needed a backup, but ultimately our friend choice worked out.

Do you mind telling me how you asked your friend? I just don't know how to go about doing something like that, and it's so much more preferable.

I forgot to respond to this! We ended up asking via email because we couldn't see him in person in a timely fashion due to COVID. We just explained that we were starting to try, why we wanted him as our donor, then what the next steps would be if he said yes. Then we gave him a couple of months to decide.

Yes it's legit but it wasn't very functional for this purpose. Try the "GenePool App" uses scientific algorithms for Matchmaking Sperm Donors, Recipients and potential Co-parents.

It?s horrific. 100 percent of the guys on there are over the age of 65, they have a breeding fetish (one in two profiles say "NI ONLY NI ONLY NI ONLY"), or they're serial donors. They all weirdly enjoy looking at their sperm under microscopes, too.

I'm sure some people have had success, and I didn't feel unsafe per se. I just needed a shower afterwards. I'd try a FB group instead.

I hesitate to ask but I'm assuming NI refers to having sex with the donor? That?s so gross.

"Natural insemination"

It does - it's actually not even a form of donor conception, if a p is in a v? that's your child's legal father.

Well it's predictable for an app like that but kind of gross.

I've used the app as a single male. Ive met lets say some interesting characters and some really genuine folks as well. I have donated to one same sex couple so far via AI and they were successful.

Still on the app and talking with some other families to potentially helping someone else...

You'll get some wild offers and characters on the app.. just have to keep trying and vetting folks from the get go... the pervs will out themselves fairly quickly..

Do you think if this were to take off people will gradually evolve to be more and more ambivalent about piv as the people who want it the most will be rejected as creepy? Interesting to think about.

Well the same thing happens anyway naturally I guess but maybe it would accelerate the process. At the very least only people who are capable of being polite and not telling people what they want will reproduce in this environment.

I'm very interested in how this dynamic would effect evolution too:

It all sounds good. But what about a guy looking to have a baby with someone? I mean just to co parent no need for intimacy.

I think if it became super common we'd increasingly become a species where people don't want sex as much and also can only achieve it via sneaky covert means where they hide intent.

The ones who can't hide and convincingly show good parental qualities die out.

Only some high status guys seem to get a pass. Like Elon who is creepy and would be rejected by most women but Grimes is obsessed with space and has done many drugs etc.

If standards are lower for high status guys - you should assume they will make worse parents outside of $$$

It?s possible. I was looking for such a person. I got two. First one didn?t disclose all his medical history until later when I found out they had a genetic disease that can be inherited to the baby. The second one went MIA after I?d moved out of the town for a short while and asked him if he?d like to try again later in the year when I returned. So after those even I decided to take a break😂. But I?m still on the lookout for someone

I like it though. The unfuckable guys with good parenting qualities will reproduce. Well they can be fuckable too but you know.

It could change the incentive structure perhaps.

(Again though since widespread abortion this selection process will have already been happening and might even partly explain why guys have less testosterone in recent generations - although people have complained in newspapers about men becoming more feminine for 140+ years. Someone on twitter collected examples at least that far back into the 1800s.)

The only downside in my biased opinion is that If taken to an extreme it would presumably destroy Human creativity.

Not all predatory Humans are creative but all creative Humans are predatory. Somewhat at least.

Well except for the band Rush. I'm not sure what happened there. Maybe because they didn't have many female fans for a long time (allegedly,) which is more circumstantial than reflective of instinct in that case, but their reputation is certainly very different from most of their peers in the music industry. Somehow Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson have been married to their wives for their entire adult life ...

But they might just be better than most at hiding things obviously and at any rate I'm not that informed about them.

There may be others too and kind of a spectrum.

Very parasocial but everyone will become a data point.

"Stick them in a terrarium and hand feed him lettuce like a turtle."

It's a very important quality.

I'm currently rooting for whatshisname. That actor. So bad with names. Paul Dano that's it.

Of course the death of art etc doesn't matter to conservatives. To quote Jordan Peterson - they're colourblind.



They don't appreciate it anyway.

So it's an easy sacrifice for them to make - not even a sacrifice definitionally - really.



Soul gets squeezed out
Edges get blunt
Demographic
Gives what you want

One of the wonders of the world is going down
It's going down, I know
It's one of the blunders of the world that no-one cares
No-one cares enough

But it does come at a really great cost. I mean as a species Humans come at a really great cost and the mind controlling fungi and parasitic wasps D:

Parasitoid wasps are vulnerable to hyperparasitoid wasps. Some parasitoid wasps change the behavior of the infected host, causing them to build a silk web around the pupae of the wasps after they emerge from its body to protect them from hyperparasitoids.[20]

D: !

Hmm:



(Also it is valentines day today lol.)

"She knew the years of isolation had altered her behavior until she was different from others, but it wasn't her fault she'd been alone. Most of what she knew, she'd learned from the wild. Nature had nurtured, tutored, and protected her when no one else would. If consequences resulted from her behaving differently, then they too were functions of life's fundamental core."



Her debut novel, Where the Crawdads Sing, was released in 2018. It became one of the best-selling books of all time. It was adapted into a 2022 film of the same name.

Here is what I don't get: I knew about this because there were multiple articles about it when the book came out! It's been a thing! And yet untold dozens of people sat around conference rooms or zoom meetings in the process of buying the rights and turning it into a movie and not a single one said "this woman has a VERY questionable background and it's gonna bite us in the [BEEP] at some point"? Or did they decide they didn't care and any bad publicity would be blown off or ignored? I don't get it.

Why would it bite them in the [BEEP] when most creative people throughout history have had fucked up backstories and personal lives?

On March 30, 1996, the ABC news-magazine show Turning Point aired a documentary titled "Deadly Game: The Mark and Delia Owens Story", which included the filmed murder of an alleged poacher, executed while lying collapsed on the ground after having already been shot. The victim is not identified by the story's narrator, the journalist Meredith Vieira, nor is the identity of the person or persons who fired the fatal shots off-camera disclosed. The ABC script refers to the victim as a "trespasser".[22] The editor-in-chief of The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg subsequently interviewed Chris Everson, the ABC cameraman who filmed the killing of the alleged poacher. Everson told Goldberg that it was not a Zambian game scout but Christopher Owens who fired the fatal shots. Goldberg reported in an article called "The Hunted" in The New Yorker in 2010 that the Zambian police detective in charge of the subsequent investigation, Biemba Musole, had concluded that Mark Owens, with the help of his scouts, placed the victim's body in a cargo net, attached it to his helicopter, and then dropped it into a nearby lagoon. Musole led an effort to identify the alleged poacher, but did not succeed. The former Zambian national police commissioner, Graphael Musamba, told Goldberg that the investigation had been stymied by the absence of a body: "The bush is the perfect place to commit murder ? The animals eat the evidence."[22]

To this day, Delia Owens denies the incident, explaining that she was not involved and there was never a case. However, her novel Where the Crawdads Sing, has aroused suspicion from those on her book tour about the parallels between the main character Kya and her case, and Delia's own alleged accusation. The Owenses have denied the accusations.[22][23]

No charges were brought against Owens or her ex-husband Mark, or stepson Christopher.

In June 2022, Zambian police officials told Jeffery Goldberg that they believe that Delia Owens should be interrogated as a possible witness, co-conspirator, and accessory to felony crimes. Zambia's chief prosecutor Lillian Shawa-Siyuni told Goldberg that the investigation related to the killing of the alleged poacher, as well as other possible criminal activities in North Luangwa has been hampered by the lack of an extradition treaty between Zambia and the United States, and by ABC's apparent refusal to cooperate in the investigation, saying, "There is no statute of limitations on murder in Zambia...They are all wanted for questioning in this case, including Delia Owens."[22]

Captured prisoners were cruelly punished. One of the Owenses' former scouts recalled how detainees would sometimes be tied to stakes and left in the blistering sun all day. Another scout recounted that "Mark Owens told us that anyone with [game] meat or a weapon should have a beating."

seriously! I read some articles and they were trying to excuse it since apparently she lived on a different compound from the husband/son at the time, wasn't present and has been divorced from the husband for a while.

I get that it's a poacher but ? murdering someone extrajudicially is pretty goddamn awful. And then writing books with similar themes? She has major white savior vibes and a really insular/patronizing view of the countries she visited in Africa too. just not great

Was he a poacher though? The article states that there is no proof he was a poacher and the news called him a trespasser. Poacher or not, he was shot in cold blood. He was on the ground, wounded, unable to fight back and they executed him. I agree, not great. So messed up.

But they were poaching wildlife, so why are people so invested? Like that?s a serious crime. They didn't deserve to die but that takes a pretty shitty person to do, unless it was at some subsistence/poverty level.

Because? a bunch of well-to-do neo-colonialists murdered a defenseless man (or at least were complicit in the murder and facilitated a cover up)? And it was a man who was very obviously almost certainly in subsistence level poverty? And IIRC according to the article they didn?t even know for sure that he was a poacher? And then they hid the body, fled the country, and escaped prosecution? As you literally said, even if the victim had committed a crime he didn?t deserve to die. And poor local poachers clearly aren?t like asshole rich dentists or Trump spawn off to a country half a world away to kill animals for fun. Murderers of other murderers get charged in court. They shouldn?t be getting away with a modern day vigilante lynching. Why would people not be upset?

Edit: forgot to mention, and she's being feted for a book inspired by the situation, and making crazy money off it.

I hope you're not trolling. I'm replying to you in good faith so I hope you'll extend me the same courtesy.

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[Nyctophilia]

My friend shared this band with me:



They're from Mexico apparently which kind of makes sense. I've noticed there's a much bigger surviving fanbase for rock music in Latin America.

They also remind me of someone else but not sure who. The singer sounds familiar I think? Unless I just heard them before at some point without realising lol. That's going to bug me lol. It's the chorus it's reminding me of something.

(Reading YT commments)

Maybe we're seeing the rise of the biggest female rock band...

All female they mean I guess? There aren't many to compare to tbf. There were a few around in the 90s. A few before too. Can hear more of a metal influence here as well.

Hmm. Most of the Riot grrrl bands were all female I guess. Jack off Jill had all female members at some points - they only released two albums but I liked them a lot. Hole almost did but not quite. Some others.

Biggest in terms of fame is presumably The Runaways though:

Seriously, This might be the best live act going in all of rock right now.

Hmmm, there are a lot of good rock bands right now so I'm not ready to hand them the crown so easily. I think they can definitely compete on show(wo)manship though.

No I don't agree either:





Tool aren't at their peak but still pretty great.

This band are good though, their performance is good (the energy.) I just think some musicians still touring have better music, but maybe if you limited it to bands that formed post 2010.

Although Jess and the Ancient Ones are also pretty good live (formed in 2010):



This band who were supporting Tool (saw them in 2024,) were also pretty good live too. The drummer was quite gymnastic and jumping up and down on the drumkit lol:



A lot of rock bands and rock muscians will be retiring in the coming decades and there aren't many replacements which is sad.

[Nyctophilia]

Biggest in terms of fame is presumably The Runaways though:

When I listen to the above song, I keep expecting it to go into the chorus of this song lol:



Anticlimatic.

Kim Wilde (born Kim Smith, 18 November 1960)[3] is an English pop singer. She first gained success in 1981 with her debut single "Kids in America", which peaked at No. 2 in the UK. In 1983, she received the Brit Award for Best British Female solo artist.[4

OK well. I didn't know that. That was somewhat misleading wasn't it?

Though in hindsight the guys singing with clearly English accents prob should have been a clue.

Reminds me of this:

The group found no success with their first two albums, but after a lineup change into what became their classic lineup, their third album, Crime of the Century (1974), was their breakthrough.[7][8] Initially a more experimental prog-rock group, they began moving towards a more pop-oriented sound with the album.[5] The band reached their commercial peak with 1979's Breakfast in America, which yielded the international top 10 singles "The Logical Song", "Breakfast in America", "Goodbye Stranger" and "Take the Long Way Home". Their other top 40 hits included "Dreamer" (1974), "Give a Little Bit" (1977) and "It's Raining Again" (1982).

Apparently singing about America is a great way to get famous here.

LOL thinking about it:

Born in Brynmawr and raised near Abergavenny, Diamandis later moved to London to become a professional singer, despite having little formal musical experience. In 2009, she came to prominence upon placing second in the BBC's Sound of 2010. Her debut studio album, The Family Jewels (2010), incorporated indie pop and new wave musical styles. It entered the UK Albums Chart at number five and was certified gold by the British Phonographic Industry. The album's second single, "Hollywood", peaked at number 12 on the UK singles chart. Diamandis' second studio album, Electra Heart (2012), was a concept album about a character of the same name. The album explored electropop and dance-pop and became her first number one album in the United Kingdom. It was certified gold in the US and UK, and respectively produced the successful singles "Primadonna" and "How to Be a Heartbreaker".

But I guess these songs were bigger in the US:



^ I like this because it's in the desert.

Um:



Not the official music video LOL. That song is always going to be associated in my head with this random fanvideo I made now lol.....



It only works in reverse if you're Ministry:

True story: Ministry finally played this song live in 2023, after nearly 40 years! :D

I can't believe this song never blew up and became hugely successful, it's an awesome song with a potentially wide audience.

It takes a long time to work.

[Nyctophilia]

When The Cocaine Was Pure, White People Had Rhythm

Nah this is still mostly white people (tm) dancing. I'm white so I can say that.



In general it's deeply self-conscious and/or lacking in sensuality. Sometimes robotic or haughty instead.

The music isn't helping there either. Here are two of the whitest moments ever:



😐

Ron Swanson did his best here but the lead singer and most of the crowd were just having none of it.

im glad Anakin found his peace with singing.

And Ron Swanson on keys.





Grimes had to hire Charlie XCX here for her cover of Eminem's classic Mum's Spaghetti:





(No I just remembered this and had to fit it into this post.)

Also cause I learnt about this recently:

Mom's Spaghetti is a restaurant in Detroit, Michigan. It serves spaghetti-related items and is known for being opened by rapper Eminem in his hometown. The restaurant's name and premise are inspired by a line from his song "Lose Yourself" from the soundtrack to the 2002 movie 8 Mile, in which he says "There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti." The restaurant also contains a merchandise shop, The Trailer, that houses the Robin suit from the music video of the single "Without Me".[2][3]

Lol I'm just learning about this but that's great.

Probably mostly from coming from colder climates or ones with more rain/shit weather. You also notice such cultures are less touchy/feely in general.

Here's Sabrina hoping you don't notice she's just sitting in a chair:



Sabrina mysteriously learnt how to dance 2 minutes into this video:



Sometimes it loops back around to being ironic self ownership of the awkward dancing:





It's OK spiderman's gonna put the cocaine back in coca cola:

Why does this video continue to give me so much serotonin years later?
I go to watch it once in a while, but like a rat on cocaine i hit it anywhere from 3-14 times once i start 🤣

Well that's enough references to cocaine for the next 24 hours probably.

Yes by white in this context, everyone means Northern and Eastern European. Not Southern European.


Edit: Comment from the first video in this post:

Yes we danced like we were bored...

Yes. Exactly.



And yeah I'm kinda shitposting but it's kinda true lol.

[Nyctophilia]

Wtf are they psychic? Did YOU WRITE KANYE? Oh my God I found the creators guys:



I remember them from Sex with Ducks (and some of their other songs) but never saw this video.



(Yes I know other people have done similar jokes before because it can be hard to tell people apart.)

[interview with Kanye on a podcast.]

Lex provides Kanye the space to communicate his views, but also pushes back and keeps him accountable for his words. Lex is on his way to becoming an all-time great interviewer

These podcasts mysteriously never give a platform to the guy yelling about Talos on a street corner near you:





Why do they do this with people who have sold a bunch of records or something like that? Why do people act like because someone is a billionaire or something that everything they say on every topic is equally important?



"it doesn't matter what you say, it only matters that you say. We don't discriminate here between what is true or false, or even downright dangerous."

It's actually worse than that though. It only matters who you are. This isn't Louis Theroux after all.

[Nyctophilia]

The party that?s been mad at black men for being absent fathers for decades btw

I know and I'm never going to let them live this down.

He is one of the biggest fuckboys of my life time. I don't care if he's a billionaire. And he uses his kid X as a Human shield/prop.

Their absolute hypocrisy about things like this piss me off.

Where is your evidence that he's an absent father?

Besides his trans daughter who won't stop live tweeting (posting whatever, she's on some other social media site,) about how much she hates him? (And she was one of the earlier children just imagine how bad it's going to get with the younger ones.) How could he possibly be juggling all these different households all over the place on top of tweeting all day and his hypothetical career(s) (mostly delegating I assume, but he's given credit for it so let's play along.)

Using the same "Phineas and Ferb" quote, Wilson changed the ending saying "I'd have a few nickels- which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened SIX SEPARATE TIMES."

Remember the time this happened?









She deletes a lot of her tweets lol. I think at least some of this is still up though. Not all of it either. We're not paying attention to the same info here clearly.

He's surrounded by overly agreeable pod people who occasionally freak out because of his [BEEP] behaviour, but then as though in some kind of mind control movie/story/book/whatever calm back down again and just ignore all his issues.

Except for his trans daughter who doesn't give a shit.

I don't know his fans are delusional lol.

Your just mad that we can get beautiful women and you cannot

I'm very annoyed that Elon used a time machine to go back in time to have sex with a librarian who looks like Geddy Lee.





Oh wait that hasn't happened yet. Let me know when he does (or the next guy I'm using as a basis for a fictional + parasocial character.) It's impossible to find him annyoing for any other reason.

I can't believe Elon had sex with the trans woman from twitter with the long hair and glasses I found the other day who I thought was kind of cute.

He's just easy to hate because he's being shoved in your face constantly as this symbol of bad boyfriend/dad(s) who can just get away with [BEEP] over and over again. In reality there are obviously millions of men like this.

You know before posting this I didn't watch the video and now I'm a few minutes in and like....... Are these bots that are defending him.

This is a giant trainwreck just look what the current babymama is tweeting at Elon.

"Right now the mother of Elon's latest child is publically duking it out with him on twitter wtf is happening."

I mean he knows/met Grimes so I'm sure he knows this isn't the first time this has happened on twitter publically:



Also the best part of this is "Why are you so buff? Is it necessary?"



If you wanted to be conspiratorial about it you could even say he's paying them to act this out/it's all staged. As he owns the platform.

Maybe they're not even his kids lol.

I can't tell if that's realistic or just cope because I don't get how people are still doing this haha.

Edit: Also from that video:

Grimes: "I don't think it?s totally out of the question that the US invades Canada at some point in the future"

I forgot she said that lol. It's not that prophetic though really since people have referred to this happening often for many years.

He does address this/his thoughts on that later in his video lol. I didn't watch the whole thing before when making this post. Regarding what his comparison with this woman being one of his replyguys and Grimes being a famous musician well... (That's probably not relevant to him actually.) But I feel like Elon responds to her more than other women and also passive aggressively unfollows her quite often (so she clearly bugs him or it's part of his performance since everything he does might be staged,) but also I don't follow regularly the other women to compare because they don't tweet stuff like this (and they are mostly his employees. It's not generally as interesting to me personally):









It's not even just her it's the responses. I follow Aella on/off for similar reasons (but also because I'm very interested in sexology.)

I can't imagine the others are that interesting. I go into that later in my post though the mother of his recent child I think is a woman who eventually came to work for him, or maybe always did? I don't know and she simps for him a lot. She doesn't post amusing things.

I need everyone to get more self respect too. I'm linking the song again:



None of you n---as is wife material
None of you n---as was worth all the drama
None of you n---as was hitting it raw and mad
I'm not one of yo baby mamas

Such a versatile verse.


Edit: Oh yeah she's just a huge fangirl this time lol. Would have to be at this stage I guess. He can't date movie stars anymore.

She's tweeted about him a lot tbh. She's spent a lot of time defending him for years.

Also apparently Milo's involved himself hahaha. I just realised that's who Elon was responding to. It would have been better if he stayed dead but whatever.



Do you think this is really news to him? I'm starting to think he's just as stupid.



This amused me too honestly:



I think she doesn't like people knowing she's a groupie.

The responses...

On EVERYBODY?S souls this is the type of love we ALL want. 🙏

God if you?re listening please bless us ALL with this type of love AMEN! 😇🙌

im convinced this is rage bait

pray for yourself bud, don?t include us on your bs 🦭

Probably. If not sarcasm.

I see far too many self-righteous and tired individuals pouncing on
@stclairashley
for having a child out of wedlock instead of COMMENDING her for choosing life.

Is the conservative position not that every life is a blessing regardless of how it?s conceived?

Lol no it never was. At least when non-white people were concerned... They've been shitting on single mum's in general forever so... Is his money supposed to change things? (Apparently yes.)

I'd prefer to attack Elon but she also seems like a shitty person based on her tweets.

I hope they all destroy each other.

Milo retweeted Pearl Davis saying this with 'she has her moments':

Getting creampied by a billionaire is not honorable

I was curious because people are claiming his account was suspended or something but it's still there but maybe he's just blocked from tweeting I dunno. It's probably just bs though.

Getting pregnant from one of the most Intelligent man on earth is many women's dream..
These genes need to be saved..
And on the women's side:
They are perfect in their way and also high inteligente
Respect

I can't believe this guy found a way to tweet something worse than Pearl. And I'm going to throw up.

I'm 100% sure this is all a psyop to promote himbos.

Pro jock propaganda. 😂

Then Grimes was tweeting about Disney princesses:

Why did everyone get so down on Disney princesses to the point that now Disney won't make romances anymore. The classic Disney princesses repeatedly risk everything for true love, but also always adventure.

In beauty and the beast they constantly emphasize that belle is an avid reader and the town eccentric. She literally ends up in an abusive relationship to heroically save her father, but refuses to believe any soul is lost and basically uses the power of love to help the beast recover from ptsd and self hatred and loves him despite him being a furry

It's

She's the hero of the story too like - and they're all kinda like this

This isn't a political statement. Everyone seems to be taking it as such, someone just called me a Disney princess the other day and I couldn't tell if it was an insult or a compliment cuz I took it as a compliment but later realized it was perhaps not. So just clarifying i think hopeless romantics that go on adventures are good and I'd like more of them

It was 100% an insult.

Also as others pointed out they changed the story with a lot of these. Often the actual fairytail story was more that pursuing romance was doomed. Sometimes because the author was [BEEP] (like in The Little Mermaid.)

Aladin was socially maladjusted. The Beast too. The last positive male figure and socially adjusted might have been the Prince in Snow White (original).

IMO Disney always portrayed contemporary women's narratives, informed by them, not driving them.

Reinforcing indoctrination

I don't like any of them and never found them attractive. I think Studio Ghibli is a bit better for both male and female characters. At the very least - even with flawed chracters - the androgyny of the art style is more attractive imo.

But this idea being pushed that women are supposed to just 'put up with various things' without 'emasculating' or ignoring men like in this video is dumb imo:



"Maleficent did nothing wrong actually." No but lol.

Grimes I don't know if you've been asleep but romance is very dead. Now there are just transactional situationships and friendships sometimes if you're lucky.

And fanfiction and romance novels which is where you're going to have to go for wish fulfilment.

I mean she wrote this lol:





^ I felt this fit in somewhere lol.

My only request is that you don't turn your kids against their father. Be a classy mother. I remember the scene from the movie The Vikings where King Ragnar thanks Queen Aslaug Sigurdsdottir for not turning their kids against him after he had an affair with another woman.

I think Elon should beg her instead. I don't think she'll need to though. I think the best he can hope for is a complicated relationship. He once described his own father as evil and seems to have flipflopped a lot.

Errol Musk says Tesla billionaire is a bad dad: 'If Elon hears this, he's going to shoot me'

Well you did teach him to be a bad dad. Also this might be projection a bit - you're the one that shoots people lol.

I've never seen a feminist bring up the fact that there's never been a disney or animated story about the princess saving the prince. Odd how they screech at gender roles unless it benefits them.

I'm not a feminist but yeah there has been like Mulan (not a princess but Disney calls all it's animated characters princesses for some reason,) although it would be cool if it was a bigger part/there were more. I came up with a story like that in my head though and started making a YouTube thing based on some of my ideas from a couple of different stories with this fairy boy (later adult) using a video game but the first part took so long to make for what it was, and I wasn't satisfied with the end result, that I didn't make a second part. It wasn't popular anyway along with most of my older content.

I guess they just prefer stories about a playboy being punished by several women and an inventor with a time machine (I'm trying to be a bit vague here,) and other horror/creepy stuff haha that's more incidental though I think because those games were more popular with my audience and also because people like weird stuff.

I mean that makes sense actually cause a recent best selling book of all time (not #1 but on the list,) was like that too lol. I mean it wasn't just revenge for being a fuckboy but....

If you look outside the West there's more animated rolereversal stuff though.

My favourite thing about Mulan though is the concept of like "it's dangerous for women to be in the army so if you're caught we're going to kill you." Of course that's because they care about gender roles more than women's safety. Always remember that.

Also I'm fundamentally against the concept of armies but I liked it as a kid.

[Nyctophilia]

Yet another depressing thread of young people who find modern politics a compelling reason to not have kids

I remember deciding with my husband that it was time to get pregnant, and feeling so incredibly hopeful and excited about the future. It really made us feel future oriented, not only for the next 5 years, or twenty, but for potential grandchildren and great grandchildren.

Now I see these threads with people feeling frightened, cut off, abandoned by the current political choices and it makes me sad.

I want to be around more babies. What's preventing us from choosing policies that help people to feel safe and secure?

You realize [BEEP] couples are now afraid what the govenment will terminate their parental rights for example?

I'm entirely aware and trying to make it more generally obvious to all that being LGBTQ+ supportive should be important to pronatalists.

Sexual minorities are a minority so they don't really care. It would be nice if they didn't demonise and legislate against LGBT+ people but they wont stop and realistically it has minimal impact on their fertility agenda to do that.

Most are conservative too so they are often against samesex parents, trans parents, gender nonconformity, ivf, surrogacy, abortion and various future reproductive technologies that don't quite exist yet but will in coming decades like ivg (and I think artificial wombs are further off but they will be against that too.)

This general conservatism to anything atypical and technological (when combined with sexuality or reproduction at least,) obviously has far reaching impacts but the LGBT aspect isn't going to make a huge dent in anything except in the sense that younger women are becoming more progressive and refusing to date guys who signal outgroup beliefs (like being anti LGBT.) Hard to say how much of an impact that will really have too.

There are also a lot of pronatalists who are basically IQ/intelligence elitists (the ones I keep posting about,) and in the long run don't really want people who are less intelligent to exist as far as I can tell. They're not very empathetic either and sometimes like the idea of there being no support for people who are not economically productive- not just young people but the elderly. If they don't have family to support them they think the only thing that should be funded for them is euthanasia. They're fixated on worth being aligned with economic productivity.

I suppose you could say they are the true 'pronatalist ideology' - all 20 of them (they are in fairly powerful positions though. But just to put into perspective their numbers vs influence they have.)

Also related:

Yes, but there is an IQ attached to Belker for different races so the implication is correct. You're just saying you don't mind Black people with high IQs having kids and you don't want white people with low IQ having kids. At the end of the day, whoever wants to have kids have kids. as far as the implication of racism, these people have been playing this race guard with population demographics for 20 to 25 years that I have experienced anyway. They are also the same people that have been saying that the white population is falling and that minority populations are rising, which is fundamentally racist.

1. They say a lot of messed up quotable things in their videos so you don't have to lie (assuming she did lie, I cba reading her article.)

2. At one point in this video they point out that she should 'get it right' because she's accusing them predominantly of racism when they're predominantly eugenicists that just don't want unintelligent people reproducing. And they're right their belief is already bad and it is a bit amusing that she felt the need to do this when they already believe the things they do, but racism is more taboo.

It reminds me of like the way homophobia works where people are like 'we should encourage people to believe it's not a choice, because if it's a choice they won't tolerate us.' Like the Ugandan president who was only willing to tolerate it if he believed it was unavoidable/not a choice:



It doesn't get rid of the underlying bigotry at all.

3. Regarding her supposedly 'pegging' (dislike that word,) her male partner (there's no evidence of her sex life, he's just saying that because she's aggressively attacking them.) Bottoms are superior. I say this as someone with very little interest in bottoming.

4. I can see how that journalist would come away with the impression that Simone does everything (a bit like the dynamic with Ben Shapiro and his wife,) because they try to give this impression in their videos. Like at one point Simone argues that she can't make the case for trad wives because 'I'm not a tradwife' I quoted this before in a previous post lol:

Simone: "You're answering this question of why should an ambitious young woman have children in a very Malcolm way. Which is you don't answer the question and you just say what you want to say and you're not speaking to the audience. I can answer these questions speaking to the audience, I can speak their language."

Macolm: "Speak to the audience. Because you did it. You now have this life and you seem to like it and you find it more satisfying I think then the life you would have had."

Simone: "Yeah but I'm actually kind of cheating because who is actually making the money in this family?"

Malcolm: "You."

Simone: "Who is actually controlling all the finances?"

Malcolm: "You."

Simone: "Yeah that's kind of the problem. I'm not very trad wifey right?"

May have been in this video:



5. Masculine identified people often brag about how [BEEP] they are at housework to make themselves seem more masculine. This kind of bragging is particuarly common for conservative men. Going so far as to argue this is a universal rule is very cringe.

Yes a lot of us hate and are [BEEP] at housework. I learnt that you're supposed to wash up glass first before anything else from a male housemate at university. My parents never really taught me anything in general tbh.

I'm not sure I will be able to find a compilation of them doing it, but I'm sure someone posted it in a video at some point. Perhaps shoeonhead addressed this in one of her videos yeah 17:45 minutes into this video:



That being said I can't fault them because apparently that gets them laid:

Conventional wisdom suggests that women are drawn to men who help out around the house. Yet new research indicates that some divisions of labor may be sexier than others. A February paper in the American Sociological Review reported that married couples in which men take on a greater share of the dishes, laundry and other traditionally female chores had sex less often than average, which in this study was about five times a month. Yet couples in which men confined themselves largely to traditionally male chores such as yard work enjoyed sex more frequently than average. Taken to the extreme, men who performed all the traditionally female chores would have had sex 1.6 times less often than men who did none of them.

My first boyfriend was lazier than me in this area (and as I say I'm very lazy so we're well into pathological undiagnosed ADHD kind of areas here,) so we were together for several months before I broke up with him (and he drove that other guy we lived with a bit insane sometimes later on too. For balance - that other guy was a bit of an elitist dick who once said he wanted children to pass on his genes and was quite darwinian lol. He reminds me of 'pronatalists' in hindsight. But on the plus side he knew how to cook and do housework.)

I was 19 then. I can't imagine being married to a guy you have contempt for and also don't enjoy having sex with him yet that's the story of a lot of women complaining online.

That study and the response to it doesn't even take into account all the unsatisfying sex women have lol. It's just like "well they have sex with these guys more, so they must like it right?"

Oh boy.

Perhaps you have to admire their optimism?



Sometimes I feel like I speedrun their life (especially when they don't have kids, but most of them do that's why they don't leave,) but then I'm also the problem lol. Like playing World of Warcraft while ignoring my ex who wants attention.



No I mean because women complain about this a lot too like wanting sexual attention but guys are just playing video games. For me we were spending way too much time together and I also didn't enjoy the sexual stuff we did much mostly, and I disliked how he was trying to feel me up while I was playing games etc. (I'm sure some of this kind of thing is trolling because it goes against gender stereotypes a lot lol but maybe not all of it):

Husband (29m) would rather play video games than have sex with me (28f)

I even tried to kiss him passionately and remove his headphones in a sexy way. He put the breaks on and said after this round...he wasn't playing online or anything just working toward a new gun..

Sex problems with partner.

Hi all. My boyfriend is a gaming addict. He is always on WoW (raids twice a week), plays dnd, magic, is ALWAYS on his Xbox with his friends. I support him, and what makes him happy. I'm a nerdy person myself and into those things on a WAY smaller scale than him. I feel like our sex life is next to zero, and I can only think it has to do with his game consumption. Is he draining all of his dopamine with his gaming addiction to the point of having no sex drive? He tells me I?m the one who has to come on to him and that?s so exhausting. Even earlier this week I tried to set up a sex date for us to meet in the bedroom at 11pm to fool around and he lost track of time playing COD and I was already asleep when he came to bed. He said he felt really bad about it, but it just shows me he doesn?t prioritize sex with me.

Has anyone else experienced this? Please tell me your stories, and solutions if you had any. Thank you so much.

The best part about this for me is I wasn't even a hardcore gamer or something. I wasn't doing raids either, just dungeons. He was a more experienced WoW player compared to me actually lol. But I was still doing this.

Lol:

"He's spending all his time playing WoW and bro's not even in a guild. Hasn't done a single raid. Only recently got a flying mount. His favourite thing about WoW is the soundtrack."

It's true (unsurprisingly.) I'm mostly nostalgic about the music now lol.







I did play other games too btw. But at that point WoW had kind of become infamous for this [BEEP] (I think it's less of a meme now as it's not as popular with younger generations, but it still pops up like in this post I just found.) Like when I was younger there were stories with parents just neglecting their babies and letting them starve to death and so on. But imo it wasn't as addictive as Elder Scrolls rpg's.

Oblivion was the game that I would walk back home to play for a short amount of time before I had to walk back into sixth form. "I have 5 minutes I can play for 3." Sort of thing.

Honestly I think it's just the millenial + gen z version of this (but after a few years lots of relationships break down anyway):

RANDOM POLL: Do people think nerds usually lean left, right or neutral? Or are they generally politically disengaged?

I spend a lot of time shitting on nerds (I also consider myself one technically speaking,) I think it has more to do with class and what 'type of nerd' you are.

Addicted to hate watching these two silly billys

I mean this entire circle have a lot of power but it's pointless because we can't do anything so yeah lol.

The funniest part is that they're the biggest contributor to fertility decline because poorer and less educated people have been listening and starting to reproduce less and get abortions etc. I think it's going to take another decade or two before this becomes discussed (since it's not peak of that trend yet and also because it was by design,) and everyone will pikachu face about it haha.

They want more bisexual men (samesex attracted really,) to have kids with women and I hear them talking about it.



I doubt this comes up in the above video but I believe part of this for some is an intelligence thing. Like when Milo (famous ex-gay contrarian not part of the above couple I think I mentioned him in a recent post lol unless I deleted it cause he decided to make himself part of Elon's drama,) argued gay men should go back in the closet because of the historical influence of gay men (which he appears to be trying to do now.) He's such a narcissist lol.

I said this before though - the available research is pretty weak (and nothing to do with gay men anyway honestly. I bet he's pissed that he's obviously not a 'polysexual' Roman emperor like his online handle Nero.)

Sporus*(died 69 AD) was a young slave boy whom the Roman emperor*Nero*had*castrated*and married as his empress during his tour of Greece in 66-67 AD, allegedly in order for him to play the role of his wife,*Poppaea Sabina, who had died the previous year.[1][2][3][4]

Milo seems more like the guy who gets castrated and forced to larp as a dead wife but whatever. Historically speaking I'm a witch who would have been burnt alive so we all have to cope lol.

Intelligence is associated with being non- binary and with unusual sexuality: Rare sexual orientation, gender non-conformism and intelligence in a large dating sample

Some studies have indicated that there may be intelligence differences between different sexual orientations or gender identifications. We investigated whether intelligence was predicted by sexual orientation and gender identity in a large sample of dating site users from OKCupid (N = ~36,866). In our regression model, we found that homosexuals were slightly below heterosexuals in intelligence, β = -0.07 (corrected -0.09), while bisexuals were slightly higher, β = 0.17 (cor. 0.22), and people with less common orientations were much higher, β = 0.73 (cor. 0.93). There was no interaction between orientation and gender. Furthermore, women obtained lower scores than men, β = -0.14 (cor. -0.18, - 2.67 IQ), and individuals who adopted non-binary gender identity had about average intelligence, β = 0.03 (cor. 0.03). It was found that non-binary gender identity predicts substantially higher intelligence when analysed alone, but this was mediated by its statistical association with rare sexual orientations. Results were discussed in the light of a development of Kanazawa?s Savanna-IQ Interaction hypothesis and the Cultural Mediation hypothesis

I don't even know why the title mentions non-binary people because the abstract says it's mediated by 'rare (non homosexual or heterosexual) sexual orientations' still. Its just non-binary people are more likely to have one, I guess.

Bear in mind Edward Dutton was involved in this particular paper which is sus. There are others suggesting opposite sex (natal sex) trans people have higher IQ. I think it's just the weirder you are, the weirder you are. Pretty sure many have lower than average IQ too. If you did enough studies I'm sure you'd find that in different samples. Would explain why I've failed at life honestly lol.

Lol you can tell he's not pleased about this:

The race differences in intelligence found in this dataset are smaller than those seen in representative samples (see Lynn, 2006). This is probably due to the use of self-selected samples. After adjustment for imperfect reliability, the gaps were still somewhat smaller than representative samples, e.g. the Black-White gap was 0.66 d versus about 1.00 d (IQ 15) typically found (Roth et al., 2001, Frisby & Beaujean, 2015, Fuerst et al 2021, Lasker et al., 2019, Kirkegaard et al., 2019). First, we relied on self-reports of gender and sexual orientation. These are both to some extent fallible as indicators of actual behaviour, e.g. some men who report being heterosexual have sex with other men (e.g. for pay), some men who report being women do so in order to enter female prisons and rape women (e.g. Howes, 15th January 1922). Future research would benefit from employing objective assessments of sexual orientation, such as by measuring levels of arousal in response to specific sexual stimuli. Second, our intelligence measure was crude with a reliability of only 0.62. This presents relatively few problems for our results because it is easy to adjust for imperfect reliability of the outcome variable in a regression model. Still, given the sampling of items, and people?s ability to skip items if they suspected they got them wrong, the measure is still suboptimal. Accordingly, it would be useful to re- conduct this study with a instrument that has higher reliability. Third, our dataset was large, but mostly limited to Western, English speaking populations. Because it was sampled from a dating site, it is also somewhat limited in age towards the younger side, and of course, is necessarily limited to people who spent their time on a dating site. There is however no particular reason to think these selection factors impacted our results much, aside from the smaller than usual race/ethnic gaps observed. Nevertheless, any future study would benefit from employing a more clearly representative sample.

Frankly it gets creepy if they 'support' you. This couple also dislikes trans people. They always do because its the most difficult group to encourage to reproduce because medically transitioning damages fertility on top of dysphoria with reproductive role eg: I don't want to be pregnant or do PIV really. Even though I havent medically transitioned. Technically this applies also to non-conforming homosexuals but I suppose that couple would consider them 'true trans' if people like that transistion anyway because of their specific belief system. And not a 'social contagion.'

You are delaying or preventing yourself from having a baby due to politics? And I thought climate change was the strangest reason. Now it?s a toss up.

Personally, I had three pregnancies and now I'm menopausal. I'm exceedingly proud of raising my kids (now teenagers) to feel very comfortable herding toddlers and to see that as joyful.

So it pains me to see the youth feeling that they cannot afford it, children won't be supported in schools, trying to cut CHIP and Medicaid coverage for children's health, etc.

I do see climate change as a real issue. I've scubad and snorkeled over the past three decades and it's just not the same. The reefs are suffering.

We bought the America is Beautiful pass this past summer and drove 5k miles to take the kids through more than a dozen of the national parks this past summer, now their funding is frozen and if this administration pulls another maneuver like Bear Ears - my future grandkids may not get to see the beautiful protected land that we did.

Here in the UK we really can't afford it - and this is belittled by the 'just move countries bro' crowd (how hard it is to do especially at the bottom of the economic ladder and if you dont want to live in a hyper conservative bigoted country that's cheap.) Well the UK is now part of the US's green card lottery program over the past two years for the first time ever but the political situation there is fucked like in the UK + no healthcare safety net - bad country to be poor in. Poor public transportation in most areas and cheaper areas probably are much less ideal in that respect too - but there are cheaper areas. The UK and most of Western Europe is insanely expensive by comparison, (I do think democrat areas have a better culture for trans and non-binary people than the UK though but this relies on federal law being uninvolved so the next decade will be illuminating in that regard. Unfortunately such states are once again the expensive ones but perhaps they have cheaper areas I dunno.) Absolutely miserable weather in the UK is actually a serious issue I believe. For mental health.

Because I still want to have kids eventually and I want a reason to.

But everytime I see someone talk about how it's feminism's fault we have less kids (even on this subreddit) I remember why I've made the decision to not do so.

For as long as women's rights are being eroded I'm holding off. It's one thing to have a son, but I couldn't risk a daughter.

Having too many men causes issues. China has this imbalance now due to sex selective abortion favouring men.

Good thing you weren?t born pre-1900 or in Afghanistan. Read a history book if you think women have it so bad. You never had rights before now. Glad you were born when you were and where you were so you can make that choice.

I personally think things were [BEEP] for most people throughout history who weren't rich and powerful but if I adopted the lens he's going with why the [BEEP] would I be grateful about the bear minimum when (he implies,) men didn't deal with that.

But as I said I don't subscribe to that ideological lens.

Yes I am very grateful that I wasnt born in 1900s and Afghanistan.

But you know, just because people have it worse doesn't mean things aren't bad.

Who gives a [BEEP] if you're poor and starving! At least you weren't born a slave!

Be grateful I'm making you get married at 18 instead of making you get married at 12!

Be grateful I'm giving you a choice of three men to marry instead of none!

Just because people have it worse doesn't mean what we have isn't bad

Lol yeah that's what he sounds like.

[Nyctophilia]

.@elonmusk was presented with a massive "chainsaw for bureaucracy" at CPAC.

OK he's really gone too far now. First he ruins my favourite letter and now he ruins my favourite chainsaws?

Chainsaw guitar, I'm going to need that.

And this comment I left 10 years ago is still accurate.

I like music that sounds like a chainsaw having a mental breakdown lol:

OK for some reason I thought I had more posts about chainsaw appreciation.

We just saw a packed auditorium full of adults cheering at seeing bodies cut in half with a chainsaw. Really think about that for a moment.

Think about it without getting defensive. No one wants to ban DOOM. But what message does that send to the world about the gaming community?

Gamers cheering loudly at scenes of brutal dismemberment. God this is depressing as hell. Welcome to the gaming industry. #BE3 #DOOM.

It's fine Jonathon Mcintosh from 2016 or whenever he tweeted that Elon has ruined chainsaws now. And the letter x. And nerds.

And being a fan of Elon's gaming:



What's next cacti?

Stay away from the desert! Well any deserts with cacti. There are no cacti in the Sahara so you can go there.

Also lemons, marshmallows and electricity pylons.

And vending machines.

I think that's everything. Oh maybe muffins too. But it's been a long while.

Also Avril wore it best. I forgot Elon wasn't Canadian for a moment he's South African lol I was going to say she did being Canadian better too. He is part Canadian ethnically.



edit: Fucking hell man:




As I was saying:

these people don't know how to text lol. But realistically they want people to be involved and they want everyone to hold Elon accountable/shame him everytime he fucks up lol.

Well I clearly have nothing better to do so sure thing.

Also because this is genuinely bleak:

I don’t know any person that is as admired and appreciated as Elon Musk.

I said this before there are millions (if not more) guys who are just as [BEEP] it's just that he has the money and legions of fanboys to do whatever he wants.

[Cuchculan]

Are we going to get a Summer this year? Never happened last year. Stayed wet and cold. Is Ireland. You can never tell.

[Ironman]

75-80F then 50F then 70F and now 45F.......it's not even spring yet

[Otherside]

Good American Family has only just come out on Disney+ here, so not seen it but seen the clips on tiktok.

Very sad when you look into the Natalia Grace story. The family claimed she was a 22 year old with dwarfism who faked being a young child in order to get adopted by them. They managed to get a court order changing her birth year to 1983, and leave her in a rented apartment before moving to Canada.

Turned medical testing done later didn't show that she was 22 and that her claimed DOB was correct, she was actually a child.

Seems from what I've seen of Good American Family that they're going the "Natalia Grace was an adult faking being a child who is also a sociopath" route.

[Otherside]

Oh okay, they made her seem like a sociopathic adult who was scamming the Barnetts for money to fund her surgeries for the first four episodes, by episode 5, she pretty much is behaving as a child and struggling to survive living on her own in an apartment. Almost like she is a child.

Also, Kristine Barnett parading her autistic son around on TV saying that she was able to help him speak and have one of the highest IQs on the planet, and then writing a book about him when he stated he didn't want to do it is just narcissistic. Not surprised he says that his mother was abusive and made him do things like peeing on Natalias bed.

[Otherside]

I'm honestly just cringing at the whole female only blue origin flight. I mean, all of these celebrities spend more money that most people will ever earn in a lifetime on a ten minute trip to space. At a time when we all have a massive cost of living crisis.

Then they blast back to Earth after the ten minutes are up, and we have Katy Perry going "we must protect mother earth"? They keep saying this is carbon emissions free because its water based, but seem to skim over the fact that they've degraded the ozone layer so they can spend a couple of minutes in space. And have they done it to further research or our knowledge of space? No, they've done it so they can take a few photos.