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    "Derrida does not stop repeating himself."

    He's just like me fr.

    (this letter is almost certainly fake btw.)

    Also coined the word hauntology lol. Later that became associated with music in particular.



    This doesn't actually quite work here since I can actually answer the sound of 2005 and 2010 (especially 2005,) and the main difference is that there was increased variety and less monopoly because of the internet (especially true of the 2010s.) Also the 'is this even music' sentiment is still very much still alive haha. Look at the reaction to mumble rap and trap metal etc.

    For the 2000s there was a kind of 'the Supernatural (TV show) boys' are in a Hard rock band aesthetic/musical style was quite popular (like Breaking Benjamin.) And pop punk obviously. Dreadlocks/cyber dreads. Rap rock/metal, nu-metal. Vaguely distorted nu-metal guitar sound (there's a better way of saying this but I'm going to keep saying that.) Some of this overlapped with the 90s because the decade was 95-2005 and that's not how most people like to model musical decades. Also some 'decades' are slightly longer than others. Not unique post-punk started in the late 70s and continued into the 80s. 2004 seems to be a very defining year in music for the 2000s and 97 for the 90s part.



    Skillet obviously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGcsIdGOuZY(I actually went to uni with the clone of the female singer lol. That's how I discovered this song.)

    That was a very common sound. Lots of songs about like fighting like a monster/animal etc within (I noticed Starset picked up on that aspect):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqds0B_meys

    ^ This song was in every amv in the late 2000s on YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvtJVku_mJw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDKwCvD56kw

    Industrial kind of guitar sounds. It takes influence from industrial rock like NiN but also hip hop, goth rock, post-hardcore etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvknOXGPzCQ

    Rock was kind of everywhere then. The same director who created this Marilyn Manson video for The Beautiful People made one for Christina Aguilera and that was also heavier than pop is now. And the creepy distortion was everywhere.

    This wasn't my favourite Evanescence song at all and they strong armed them into having a rapper on the track. But it combines so many of these elements together you can see why this track was popular:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YxaaGgTQYM

    More of the creepy distortion. This Jack off Jill album came out in 2000 (they spent a lot of time with Marilyn Manson and had overlapping band members so you can see some of the similarities in sound to early Manson though Scott Putesky did work on that track he did on this one.) This Birthday Massacre track is similar too

    You start to see post rock and such in the mid-late 2000s. Which sometimes sounds like Breaking Benjamin fused with 90s alt rock in space. Everyone starts to get nebula leggings as we move into the 2010s. This is when things start 'slowing down'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhXHH2sZlQU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cIryoXp4gk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85blcsevfvI

    And Starset are a 2010 band with a 2000s sound (you can't make that distinction unless there is a 2000s sound):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAMiX5EEbFU

    Another 2000s track in 2021:



    "Oh I never wanted to brag." etc Tbf with shadows of Welcome to Paradise by Green Day (though there's 2 recordings of this song and the more realised version this reminds me of was a '95 track which is in that approximate 95-2005 pop punk window,) there's also an American Idiot feel to this. And then the distorted guitars make an appearance of course.

    2010 is when e-genres started to appear so you get more social commentary that is hauntological and the distortion is still there because 'everything is surreal, ethereal, liminal and decaying' are the ongoing vibes. But there's more experimentation. lots of sampling. And video games, computer sound effects, and the internet are becoming a central feature in music:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQkPcPqTq4M

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5370p64SWI

    Remix of the Playstation start up sound of course:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYfWXz20Qso

    Once again this started earlier with references from Skrillex in song titles in the 2000s:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw

    Witch house obviously (so you start to see occult themes merging with chopped and screwed hip hop):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpEkXk6u_b4

    Some of this and related genres are very interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcMx-kpFRAs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk1qjjU9jQc

    NiN were really huge but even in the above video she doesn't think to make the 90s sound defined by that but by this point aggressive electronic music that draws from like aggrotech and industrial and dark electronic is blending into the mainstream a lot more:





    This track is one of the most interesting. It's a bit like dark mirror world 70s which is appropriate because the defining drugs were again increasingly throughout the 2010s and onwards an overlap of psychedelics and opiates:



    Skynd obviously

    This blends into the mainstream with ??? (Crosses) (but it loses a lot of the musical style in the process much I love Chino Moreno/Deftones/??? (Crosses.))

    You have post rock and a lot of introspective and emotionally flattened effect lo-fi music - for lack of a better way of putting it - that's very different from the 2000s heavy aggressive music (like Billie Eilish, Chelsea Wolfe, Phoebe Brigers, Giles Corey) Along those lines this is the decade that created 'mumble rap'

    Blackgaze becomes a thing which blends post rock and black metal:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwE5FG-pIdk

    Some of all this music draws on older electronic music and post-rock from the 2000s like God is an Astronaut, Mogwai, and even older electronic artists like Coil and Aphex Twin. Even Deftones in the sense of having more hushed vocals with some elements of rock.

    It's a very electronic decade outside of the hiphop singularity that started to occur.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R1die4Hsw0

    Very 2010s:



    This is very interesting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL41EXic65g

    This is from 2008 but is part of what defines the 2010s mainstream sound:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MigfipDmY-0

    You also see the computers appearing subtly in R&B as we go into the 2020s:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkmMoR9jh68

    This Patrick Wolf track is 2010 music in the 2000s essentially (2005):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_SmgtN0ETc

    It's a bit too early to point out what artists sound like they come from the 2010s right now.

    There was some folktronica + baroque pop sort of thing you see with Final Fantasy/Owen Pallett and IAMX here too. This was all obviously inspired by Bjork and Kate Bush of course. But everything was always inspired by everything.

    There's some cute anecdote of Chris Corner meeting Bjork in an interview I can't find now and then being like 'I want to have her babies' or something (don't remember fully,) and then being embarrassed. They covered Venus as a Boy too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou3EeLuEcIg

    needed Keli Ali
    Oh please, she would have ruined it. She was a nice performer but his vocals are 100 times better. Plus, his voice just sounds sexier.
    This argument about which one sounds hotter and should have kept on as the lead vocalist happens every time lol on all their music videos.

    Nahhh. She's alright but she can't even hold a candle to Chris. And we all need more of Chris singing gay stuff in our lives
    It's kind of the opposite of gay (male) but yeah OK. The word you are looking for is 'feminine.' 'feminine.' Actually I've changed my mind using gay as a synonym for [BEEP] or anything adj will give Glinner an aneurysm even though he hates [BEEP] too so go ahead. This song is about bisexual threesomes. And the opening sounds so much like the opening to Teignmouth by Patrick Wolf actually now that I think about it.

    So a lot of the music is fusing multiple genres and styles together and borrowing directly (via sampling,) of just in terms of inspiration from different things and kind of a melting pot. This genre fushion thing existed prior though like trip-hop in the UK in the 90s

    It has been described as a psychedelic fusion of hip hop and electronica with slow tempos and an atmospheric sound,[5][6][7] often incorporating elements of jazz, soul, funk, reggae, dub, R&B, and other forms of electronic music, as well as sampling from movie soundtracks and other eclectic sources.[8]
    This is part of the House soundtrack obviously too:





    Described as trip hop,[1] the album had the label "goth" affixed to it by more than one reviewer.[1][2]
    That's actually very weird but I can imagine goths absolutely losing their [BEEP] over that haha which is hilarious. Move over Marilyn Manson. No really Chris did that aesthetic better too later on. Actually Sneaker Pimps worked with him on Long Hard Road out of Hell too and I don't recall all the details from interviews but that was a whole thing I think everyone's egos got in the way especially Liam, Kelli and him. (That was a whole thing for anyone who ever worked with him really lol. Trent Reznor.) I do actually like a bunch of Marilyn Manson's music though.

    Manson would recall that while recording the song, "The guitar player of the Sneaker Pimps had just got hit in the foreskin and he told me about it, which is a dumb as [BEEP] thing to do, because the first thing I did was hit him in the dick, and I'm sure that probably added to the tension in the room."[1]
    Anyway Maybe cause of Small Town Witch (because of the witch thing,) and The Fuel. After Every Party I Die was a bit dark I guess.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oMXyLn53Q

    If you reach a lot. I think I can almost hear it:



    Bearing in mind I don't think this specific song was ever really considered goth:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkJwpYrcAko

    Like the heavyness with the magical tinkling sound. That's also a great/shit way to describe The Cure's back catalogue lol.

    Wait what am I doing? (No not the autistic rambling I mean when considering The Cure specifically.) This is probably a better example (it's much heavier and darker but you have the 'magical tinkling' icicle like sound repeating through it):



    Some former trip hop artists like Chris Corner (from Sneaker Pimps now IAMX) are still making pretty interesting music and was throughout the 2000s. But this isn't mainstream at all. And I'm just posting this now because IAMX. Let's be honest.



    That being said I didn't really care for the new Sneaker Pimps stuff during my brief listen.

    You have no idea how long it took me to remember the name of/find Ari Lennox.

    I'm trying to do something impossible in this post. But that's part of the sound of the 2000s/2010s.

    Also if you want complete revolution you need new instruments otherwise over time you just start to refine things more and more.

    Man I really need to create something decent with those oven recordings some day. This experiment which is hardly music was all I did with it. It was just such a great oven. The sonically creepiest object that ever came into my life. There's a 98% chance that's not going to happen.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    Headphones are necessary for this song.


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    Podcast. Just like to hear people talking about this.

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    Had to remove some music from my phone to free up some space and found some music I forgot about and haven't listened to in years:



    Pretty good. I was actually listening to a couple of Gackt songs recently again and somehow still completely forgot the above song existed lol.



    Also remembered some songs recently that I downloaded waaay back as a teenager. Back then I was downloading some stuff from indie bands that weren't famous but I can't remember where I downloaded it from now. I think I was probably looking for bands from my hometown at one point too but I don't think they are. Don't remember where they're from now. Think the band were called Dead Girl on Pavement (about 90% sure.) But googling brings up nothing now. I managed to find those tracks on my psp (which I haven't used in probably 8+ years.) Their track Wry Smile is pretty good musically but the vocals aren't great. I feel like their being pretty obscure added to the enjoyment back in the day lol. Kind of hipster. Anyway I wonder if anyone else out there has their music still saved and if those recordings exist anywhere else now.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
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    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    I started searching to see if I could buy a waterphone and then realised they're pretty expensive lol. Range from about 150-1000+ pounds. There are some guides for making your own but I don't have that skillset. I also really want to mess around with a Cristal Baschet but who knows where you buy one of those and I don't have space lol. And I know it would be super expensive.

    It's such a cool idea though:

    'The Cristal Baschet is a contemporary musical instrument developed in 1952 by the brothers Bernard and Fran?ois Baschet. Models of the crystal organs range from 3.5 to 6 octaves and are made of 56 chromatically tuned glass rods. To play it, musicians rub the rods with wet fingertips.[1]'


    I'm looking at unusual instruments lol.



    I found this ages ago but also really love this (still one of the best things I've ever seen honestly lol):



    He made a flamethrower organ too which is cool:



    This is really great he makes DIY instruments out of PVC pipe which he plays with flipflops/sandles lol:



    This has a awesome industrial sound:

    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
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    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    This is really great:



    I really like the Temple of Syrinx part.

    Something I noticed is a lot of comment that they dislike Rush because of the vocals and warning people about the vocals like 'if you can get past the vocals the music is really great' but I actually really like his voice haha. It's interesting, and the enunciation especially on this track:



    I guess I sort of see why some people might not like it though since high pitched vocals are kind of hit or miss with people. He sang in a lower register over time though.

    Not me personally, but I couldn't possibly count the number of people I played their albums to back in 1974–1975 that absolutely HATED his vocals. They'd love the music, but the minute he opened his mouth they were DONE. Hell, I still meet people that hate his voice…
    Fascinating.

    I like Blink 182 though and don't think Tom DeLonge's vocals are exactly good whiny? They're all very Californian for lack of a better way of putting it lol:



    And it's sort of part of the appeal:



    Lol:



    It is iconic though.

    So also it's not like I usually care haha. But no I do actually like Geddy Lee's voice.

    Trying to think of a vocalist who really annoys me. I feel like there was someone at some point but I can't think of someone right now. I mean a famous example I guess.

    I guess I don't really like Grimes vocals much though some of her music is interesting. So yeah Grimes.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    Interesting. It's not hardcore punk but I like the guitar etc. (Obviously she only brought up that hardcore punk thing recently and this is from last summer though.)



    “This is the manic part. I wasn’t gonna tell you. But I’ll just tell you now, because not talking about it is making me annoyed: I want to explore punk,” she told the interviewer. “But not pop-punk. I feel like we have enough pop-punk artists right now. And if there needs to be more, then let there be more, but I don’t think I’m the one to do it.”

    “I want to explore more of a raw, unfiltered, hardcore punk sort of thing. It’s just something that I’m doing for my own personal fun — getting some drummers and guitarists together. And I don’t even know if that’s gonna make it out there.”
    Oh I agree, and I used to love pop punk lol.

    I don't know who she works with (if anyone, but I'd be shocked if nobody was ever lol I think she started out doing her own stuff at least at home from what I gathered in interviews,) but her music is frequently sets her apart from a lot of her peers anyway. Even if some say:

    i also agree with everyone who said the majority of my rap verses are mid and corny. I know they are. I wasnt trying to prove anything I just enjoy making music but I'm getting tired of hearing yall say that i can't so I will.
    Like:



    ^ also her flow is interesting on this track.

    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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