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    Trump "IS" a wax figure, as wax figures don't have an ounce of brains-LOL!
    Lol Chuck, that is true

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    LOL! You bet-cha, HoldTheSea... (Can't blowout your brains when you don't have any-LOL!)

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    Trump "IS" a wax figure, as wax figures don't have an ounce of brains-LOL!
    You got me there!

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    Trump is now ignoring court orders and the law...

    http://www.commondreams.org/news/201...e-court-orders

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    I can't believe how many people are slamming him.

    Obama pulled the same stunts and got pats on the back.

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    I can't believe how many people are slamming him.

    Obama pulled the same stunts and got pats on the back.
    Obama didn't ban anyone, and Obama tried to reach out to Republicans in his first and second term. And it was the Republicans who said Obama wasn't allowed to do executive orders, they can't say Obama is evil for doing something that they are now doing.

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    Obama didn't ban anyone, and Obama tried to reach out to Republicans in his first and second term. And it was the Republicans who said Obama wasn't allowed to do executive orders, they can't say Obama is evil for doing something that they are now doing.
    If that was true, the Democratic Party is getting one heck of a lesson for what they did.

    Obama had two executive order go to the Supreme Court and a third was the Obamacare mandate.
    Obama doubled our national debt (one man doubled what 43 put together) to the point where we are a credit risk - that did not happen.
    We owe China money and they still beat us in trade.

    Obama is into the "one world government" as his stance on Israel and Iran clearly put us all in a death spiral. He wanted to see our country suffer and is now laughing all the way to the bank. We are at each other's throats and he enjoys it, constantly blaming his opponents when he needed to look at himself in the mirror.

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    If that was true, the Democratic Party is getting one heck of a lesson for what they did.
    Yeah, that the Republicans are hypocrites.

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    Obama had two executive order go to the Supreme Court and a third was the Obamacare mandate.
    Obamacare is a written law that was passed by both houses and signed by the twice-elected President Obama, the court upheld the Obamacare mandate and said it is legal. Obama never went against the court orders.

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    Obama doubled our national debt (one man doubled what 43 put together) to the point where we are a credit risk - that did not happen.
    So, you support the guy that is planning to make the debt even bigger by blowing a huge hole in the budget?

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    Obama is into the "one world government"...
    If Obama was into a "one world government", why didn't he do anything to get to that goal?

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    ...his stance on Israel and Iran clearly put us all in a death spiral.
    How exactly is wanting peace between Israel and Palestine, and getting Iran to give up all it's nuclear weapons and nuclear power a bad thing?

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    He wanted to see our country suffer...
    By making it better...? Unemployment is low, stock market is good, the car industry is still alive and well.

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    We are at each other's throats and he enjoys it, constantly blaming his opponents when he needed to look at himself in the mirror.
    Trump is the one name-calling anyone who disagrees with him on policy...

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    Yeah, that the Republicans are hypocrites.

    Obamacare is a written law that was passed by both houses and signed by the twice-elected President Obama, the court upheld the Obamacare mandate and said it is legal. Obama never went against the court orders.

    So, you support the guy that is planning to make the debt even bigger by blowing a huge hole in the budget

    If Obama was into a "one world government", why didn't he do anything to get to that goal?

    How exactly is wanting peace between Israel and Palestine, and getting Iran to give up all it's nuclear weapons and nuclear power a bad thing?

    By making it better...? Unemployment is low, stock market is good, the car industry is still alive and well.

    Trump is the one name-calling anyone who disagrees with him on policy...
    Not as bad as the Democrats - they are really starting to show their true colors. Trump is nowhere near as bad as Hitler.

    Obamacare was not approved by a single Republican vote in the Senate. It was approved 60-39.....58 Democrats, 2 Independent. They lost the majority because of this single issue. In the House of Representatives, it passed 219-212. Again, a Democratic majority - 178 Republicans and 34 Democrats voted against it in the House (538 total). The Democratic Party, since that vote in 2010, has lost over a thousand Senate, House of Representatives, Governorships, and State Senate/House positions. That, with 74 Senate and House seats lost, is the largest loss by any President in our history.

    The two people who wrote that bill, Jonathan Gruber and Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (Chicago mayor Rahm's brother) admitted that they lied to the people to get their support for the law.

    Trump is a businessman. He has been trying to show us that he wants America to succeed and not be in debt.

    Obama wanted the UN to handle things HE should have handled. He also didn't lift a finger against terrorism and his UN absetntion vote right before he left office was the ultimate proof he didn't like Israel (this after sending his campaign people over there to get Netanyahu to lose).

    There will never be peace between Israel and the Palestinians. That is the problem. Every time the Palestinians have been given land, they end up losing it because they fight Israel for more land and lose. The "Two State Solution" wil end up starting Armageddon. "peace and security" will mean "a woman with labor pains" The Palestinian people will strike and try to annihilate Israel. Iran didn't give up anything; they just tested a ballistic missile that flow almost 1,000km this week in direct violation of Obama's treaty.

    Unemployment is high - people aren't looking for work. After the unemployment benefits end, people aren't counted. There are too many people unemployed here to have a rate that low. Record number of people on food stamps and record low labor participation rates also don't support the rate. The stock market is high because people are optimistic about something Obama never did. He didn't spur enough growth in hiring. They see that with Trump. Right now, companies are stockpiing money and not hiring. For instance, my company is hiring people.....in China and India. They won't hire American workers because "the cost is too high". That's literally what I was told. Meanwhile, I worked a 58 hour week last week, half of that filling for an Indian coworker who doesn't do her job right. instead of letting her go after six years of it, I have to constantly email her and her boss (my coworker) about things she doesn't do.

    Trump is more upset at the media than anyone at this point. He isn't calling anyone names anymore (although it was funny to hear "Crooked Hillary" and "Little Marco", and "Lyin' Ted"). We need a tough leader.

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    Obamacare was not approved by a single Republican vote in the Senate.
    With a Republican majority now does that mean they can't pass anything without Democrats' support?

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    They lost the majority because of this single issue.
    If the issue was Obamacare, which was passed in 2010, why did Obama get re-elected in the 2012 landslide?

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    He has been trying to show us that he wants America to succeed and not be in debt.
    His tax-cuts and spending plans will cause a huge debt. No doubts about it.

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    Obama wanted the UN to handle things HE should have handled.
    Obama was fulfilling an election promise to stop the USA getting into more unnecessary and costly wars, the same election promise Trump has made, one of the few I support.

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    He also didn't lift a finger against terrorism...
    Obama has been bombing terrorists non-stop with drones since taking office, in fact he did so many that the military had trouble keeping up.

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    ...his UN absetntion vote right before he left office was the ultimate proof he didn't like Israel.
    Because Netanyahu has been refusing to engage in the peace process and been taking more and more Palestine land.

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    Iran didn't give up anything; they just tested a ballistic missile that flow almost 1,000km this week in direct violation of Obama's treaty.
    A ballistic missile is not always a nuclear weapon. Iran is its own country with its own military, it is allowed to have weapons to defend itself. The enforceable agreement (not a treaty) is only about nuclear weapons and power.

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    Unemployment is high - people aren't looking for work. After the unemployment benefits end, people aren't counted. There are too many people unemployed here to have a rate that low. Record number of people on food stamps and record low labor participation rates also don't support the rate. The stock market is high because people are optimistic about something Obama never did. He didn't spur enough growth in hiring. They see that with Trump. Right now, companies are stockpiing money and not hiring. For instance, my company is hiring people.....in China and India. They won't hire American workers because "the cost is too high". That's literally what I was told. Meanwhile, I worked a 58 hour week last week, half of that filling for an Indian coworker who doesn't do her job right. instead of letting her go after six years of it, I have to constantly email her and her boss (my coworker) about things she doesn't do.
    This is right and this is a true criticism that can be levelled at not just Obama, but the Democrats and the Republicans too. All three are way too close to corporations, which would be corruption in any other context. I hoped with Trump he would at least get rid of the corruption and helped workers, but at the moment I don't see that happening, in fact he seems to be wanting to do the corruption himself.

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    Trump is more upset at the media than anyone at this point.
    The media is doing its job, being watchdogs. Trump should get on with his job, looking after the people.

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    With a Republican majority now does that mean they can't pass anything without Democrats' support?



    If the issue was Obamacare, which was passed in 2010, why did Obama get re-elected in the 2012 landslide?



    His tax-cuts and spending plans will cause a huge debt. No doubts about it.



    Obama was fulfilling an election promise to stop the USA getting into more unnecessary and costly wars, the same election promise Trump has made, one of the few I support.



    Obama has been bombing terrorists non-stop with drones since taking office, in fact he did so many that the military had trouble keeping up.



    Because Netanyahu has been refusing to engage in the peace process and been taking more and more Palestine land.



    This is right and this is a true criticism that can be levelled at not just Obama, but the Democrats and the Republicans too. All three are way too close to corporations, which would be corruption in any other context. I hoped with Trump he would at least get rid of the corruption and helped workers, but at the moment I don't see that happening, in fact he seems to be wanting to do the corruption himself.



    The media is doing its job, being watchdogs. Trump should get on with his job, looking after the people.
    Obama won because he campaigned better than he ruled. He was a master at denigrating his opponents. That's how he beat Hillary.
    He also knew what people to target. Romey was caught saying something like Hillary's "deplorables" comment - 47% would vote Democratic no matter what because they get freebies. Then, he disappeared the week before the election. We also had a cyclone named Sandy where Obama was seen with Gov. Chris Christie (a Republican).

    People were trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was making history.......and it ends up being in the wrong direction. He pulled out of Iraq too early and dismissed ISIS to make himself look good. It wasn't until the election came up that he decided to do anything, and that was more an effort to get Hilary elected to save his Presidency....which failed.

    Netanyahu knows more about what is going on in the Middle East than anyone. His job to is protect the people of Israel and Obama wanted to take that away from him.

    We may never know what Obama was full after, but he did nothing more than try and lower America's life - and blame other people for it. Being the smooth talker he is, people fell for it. When people don't want to take responsibility for things that clearly happened during their watch, they look to Obama as a role model.

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    You only have to go back to the beginning of our great republic to see why things are the way they are today... George Washington hated the two party system, and actually said that it would be the demise of our nation. People are more divided today than I have ever seen them. It was very sad that Trump and Clinton were the best we could do, with 330,000,000 Americans... If I was given the chance to write just a single law for the good old USA, it would be that it's against the law for anyone to belong to a political party, or for one to even exist...

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    Obama won because he campaigned better than he ruled.
    That, and him not making good on some of his election promises is why his supporters are disappointed. They were promised big change, but got only small change. Nothing to do with Obamacare though.

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    Romey was caught saying something like Hillary's "deplorables" comment - 47% would vote Democratic no matter what because they get freebies. Then, he disappeared the week before the election. We also had a cyclone named Sandy where Obama was seen with Gov. Chris Christie (a Republican).
    Like Hillary, Romey had only himself to blame, can't run a bad campaign and expect to win.

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    People were trying to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was making history...
    Except for the Republicans who tried to block every move he made from the start.

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    He pulled out of Iraq too early and dismissed ISIS to make himself look good.
    I don't blame him for doing that, in fact I supported him at the time, because IS were Iraq government's problem to deal with, not America's. No-one expected the Iraqi forces would run away from their posts like that and by time Obama could act and get the military in there the damage was already done. It is unfair to blame Obama, he didn't start the Iraq war which created IS in the first place and he couldn't foresee the forces running away.

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    Netanyahu knows more about what is going on in the Middle East than anyone.
    Netanyahu is trying to improve his low approval ratings while trying to survive an criminal investigation, he is trying to make it seems like the world is against Israel and he is their great defender.

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    We may never know what Obama was full after, but he did nothing more than try and lower America's life - and blame other people for it. Being the smooth talker he is, people fell for it. When people don't want to take responsibility for things that clearly happened during their watch, they look to Obama as a role model.
    This is what I have a problem with politics today, it is not about policies any more, it is only about attacking people personally. To say Obama is an evil guy that wanted to destroy America allows people on the left to call Trump Hitler. Just like Trump, Obama isn't a bad guy, he had good intentions and genuinely wanted to improve America. You may disagree with his policies and actions, but to claim that he wanted to lower America's life is completely unfair. Obama did good things and deserves credit for it and I'm willing to bet he had a positive effect on your life too.

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    Obama couldn't do everything he wanted because of the obstructionist actions of Republicans. They openly declared they would automatically fight any policies he put forward. Even at the end. He had a right to pick a Supreme Court Justice - they had no defensible right to block this.

    Trump on the other hand is already signaling he'll be breaking BIG promises. Promises that got him votes. And it's nothing to do with Democrats. He's going back on his promise to reduce prescription drug prices. And the people he hired clearly want to gut Social Security and MediCare.

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