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    And if the person doesn't take responsibility, would you be happy with the government not allowing the company to export the job?



    The individual mandate is basically a tax to help pay for the ER.



    You're wrong about one thing, Obamacare isn't socialised medicine. It is a regulated free market system, it was Republican policy before Obama took it to try to make a deal with Republicans. A real socialised system, like the one in Australia, is free for all Australians to use and is paid for by a 2% levy on income earned after the $21,335 threshold, if you earn $21,335 or less you pay nothing.

    Even though Obamacare is better than what was there before, it is still terrible policy. It is why I supported Bernie to win over Trump and Hillary, as Bernie wanted to copy Australia's system. If Bernie won and he put in the new system, all the stuff you are paying now for healthcare would disappear.
    The issue is that there are 320,000,000 people plus in this country. With the elderly population growing and the younger generation shrinking (abortion, less babies), There is too much emphasis on few people paying for the majority. Obamacare, at it's current track, would lead to an insurance bubble that would burst and collapse our economy.

    Bernie promised "free college", too, but who was going to pay for it? He kept screaming "spread the wealth".....I am considered rich to him and I can barely pay my bills! It's dream; that's all his ideas were.
    Hillary wanted to continue Obama....which was exactly what people didn't want. Outside of California (San Fran, Los Angeles), Illinois (Chicago) and New York (New York City), Trump won nearly every state.
    In our country, it is near impossible for one party to get a third consecutive term. Reagan - George H.W. Bush was an exception. Barack Obama was no Ronald Reagan by any means.

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    Keith Olbermann was an ESPN sportscaster before he went off the deep end politically. Today, he is ostracized for being too liberal. Rosie O'Donnell keeps begging Keith to do something about Trump's Presidency - like delay the inauguration, impose martial law, etc. Way too divisive.

    Donald Trump has actually followed through on his promises more than most previous Presidents of any party. He is actually a wake-up call for Republicans, too. The man is focused on business and strengthening out country. Obama made us a weakened mess.

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    The issue is that there are 320,000,000 people plus in this country. With the elderly population growing and the younger generation shrinking (abortion, less babies), There is too much emphasis on few people paying for the majority. Obamacare, at it's current track, would lead to an insurance bubble that would burst and collapse our economy.
    Did you read anything that I wrote?

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    Bernie promised "free college", too, but who was going to pay for it?
    Wall street, two small taxes on stock trades, easily paid for it.

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    He kept screaming "spread the wealth".....I am considered rich to him and I can barely pay my bills!
    If you have billions of dollars in the bank, you could donate to the site? Under Bernie's plans, you would have gotten a tax cut, a pay raise and all your healthcare costs would be gone. What is so wrong about billionaires and corporations (who got their wealth thanks to the USA) giving a little bit back to help people like you?

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    It's dream; that's all his ideas were.
    All his polices were fully costed, paid for and already written as bills ready to be passed.

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    Did you read anything that I wrote?

    Wall street, two small taxes on stock trades, easily paid for it.

    If you have billions of dollars in the bank, you could donate to the site? Under Bernie's plans, you would have gotten a tax cut, a pay raise and all your healthcare costs would be gone.
    What is so wrong about billionaires and corporations (who got their wealth thanks to the USA) giving a little bit back to help people like you?

    All his polices were fully costed, paid for and already written as bills ready to be passed.
    That job is already exported! If the Indian employee was let go, he'd be replaced by another Indian employee. That particular job used to be in the United States. They think they are saving money, but if another employee is having to be paid to do her job, that's a loss. Hence, the overtime that I won't even have time to spend. It's been bad enough that I have had to delay vacation time because of this person's holidays - and I have been with the company for over 12 years to this person's 6. It's like they have control over my job.

    Our Medicare systems is similar to a trust.....but what happens if there is another recession? Our interest rates are also still way too low given where we should be after a recession. Eight years and we are barely breaking even. There is no stimulus to hire in the United States other than the under-30 hour jobs to bypass the Obamacare mandate.

    There aren't that many billionaires. Even so, they probably helped Hillary, or her protesters (George Soros). That's not philanthropy, it's social engineering through civil unrest.

    It was the millennial crowd (college kids with weird majors and debt) that supported it. Free college is a nice draw, but what would have happened when they got the bill for something else. Assistance is okay, free handouts aren't much.

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    That job is already exported! If the Indian employee was let go, he'd be replaced by another Indian employee. That particular job used to be in the United States. They think they are saving money, but if another employee is having to be paid to do her job, that's a loss. Hence, the overtime that I won't even have time to spend. It's been bad enough that I have had to delay vacation time because of this person's holidays - and I have been with the company for over 12 years to this person's 6. It's like they have control over my job.
    If the proper rules and regulations are put into place, corporations will have no choice but to bring back the exported jobs.

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    Our Medicare systems is similar to a trust.....but what happens if there is another recession? Our interest rates are also still way too low given where we should be after a recession. Eight years and we are barely breaking even. There is no stimulus to hire in the United States other than the under-30 hour jobs to bypass the Obamacare mandate.
    I like how you are trying to avoid talking about the Australian system, because you know it proves that real socialised healthcare does work and is quite cheap

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    There aren't that many billionaires.
    There are 540 billionaires in the USA, worth a collective $2.4 trillion, there is plenty.

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    It was the millennial crowd (college kids with weird majors and debt) that supported it. Free college is a nice draw, but what would have happened when they got the bill for something else.
    I have no idea what you mean by this. Just like everyone else, students has to pay rent, food, clothing, etc, along with school books and equipment, so they still need to have a job. If someone picks a weird degree and can't get a job that would be there own fault and have to take responsibility for their actions, just like now. None of it has anything to do with tuition-free college.

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    Assistance is okay, free handouts aren't much.
    So, primary schools, high schools, roads, hospitals, law enforcement, defence, customer protection, 911, food/drug/aircraft safely are all evil free handouts too?

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    If the proper rules and regulations are put into place, corporations will have no choice but to bring back the exported jobs.

    I like how you are trying to avoid talking about the Australian system, because you know it proves that real socialised healthcare does work and is quite cheap

    There are 540 billionaires in the USA, worth a collective $2.4 trillion, there is plenty.

    I have no idea what you mean by this. Just like everyone else, students has to pay rent, food, clothing, etc, along with school books and equipment, so they still need to have a job. If someone picks a weird degree and can't get a job that would be there own fault and have to take responsibility for their actions, just like now. None of it has anything to do with tuition-free college.

    So, primary schools, high schools, roads, hospitals, law enforcement, defence, customer protection, 911, food/drug/aircraft safely are all evil free handouts too?
    Trump is trying to release those regulations. That is what I am trying to say.
    I don't know anything about the Australian health care system - I am in the United States. We are supposed to have free enterprise and competition.
    The billionaires get taxed pretty high. There isn't anything they can do with their money when they go other than to give it away. They are in a high tax bracket anyway. I have my own battles with a tax bracket.

    The current college aged kids would support a free college offer because it would relieve them of responsibility of having to pay debts. Having a good major would do it instead. I had a loan, but I commuted to school - saved money that I would have used up living in dorms. These are LIFE decisions. Planning for the future, not today. I had debt, but schools weren't doing things like building luxury apartments and pools for catering to students. It's all out of control in colleges these days. Luxury apartments for college students isn't a necessity but there are schools doing it and charged huge amounts. It's not needed. Education is supposed to be the most important thing!

    No - we pay taxes for schools, roads, police, defense, etc. Those aren't free. If they cost more, we pay more, but we have to know what we are paying for. We have been through a lot where our tax money has been misspent.

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    Trump is trying to release those regulations. That is what I am trying to say.
    This brings me to me point, why is regulations under Obama bad, but regulations under Trump good? In fact, Trump has actually kept some of Obama's regulations.

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    We are supposed to have free enterprise and competition.
    So does Australia. Keep in mind, I'm a business man, I ran businesses before.

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    The billionaires get taxed pretty high. There isn't anything they can do with their money when they go other than to give it away. They are in a high tax bracket anyway. I have my own battles with a tax bracket.
    Actually that is not true, billionaires do have a higher tax bracket, but they use tax loopholes (ones you can't use) to reduce their taxes to near, at or below zero. In fact, some billion dollar corporations gets a tax refund, as in the USA government pays the corporation money, thanks to the loopholes. You pay more in taxes as a percent of your wage than billionaires and corporations. This is why the taxes you have to pay is going up, they are shifting their tax burden onto you.

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    The current college aged kids would support a free college offer because it would relieve them of responsibility of having to pay debts. Having a good major would do it instead. I had a loan, but I commuted to school - saved money that I would have used up living in dorms. These are LIFE decisions. Planning for the future, not today. I had debt, but schools weren't doing things like building luxury apartments and pools for catering to students. It's all out of control in colleges these days. Luxury apartments for college students isn't a necessity but there are schools doing it and charged huge amounts. It's not needed. Education is supposed to be the most important thing!
    The debt that students have to deal with these days is bigger than it once was, add in that wages have actually went backwards in real terms over the years means it is much harder to pay the debt off. The reason the tuition-free college is a thing is because the debt is hurting businesses (real businesses I mean, not corporations). Because people with debt are paying off the debt instead of spending money, businesses have less sales, with less sales businesses can't hire people, which means more unemployed people, which means less people spending money buying things from businesses, which means businesses can't hire people, and around and around it goes.

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    No - we pay taxes for schools, roads, police, defense, etc. Those aren't free. If they cost more, we pay more, but we have to know what we are paying for.
    Through taxes on Wall Street is how tuition-free college would be funded. It is the same thing.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...never-happened

    I still can not believe the world right now, the spokesperson and senior adviser for the US President so easily lied on TV without caring one bit. It is a big mistake to trust anything these people say.

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    When facts are conveniently discarded and treated with disdain, there's nothing left to constrain poor decisions.

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    The biggest thing that bothers me the most so far about President Trump was the very first press conference where "alternative facts," were presented, about something that should not matter. Crowd size!!!???? You can't make this stuff up. It'd be hilarious; if it weren't true. I saw this press conference live and it was "breaking news" that interrupted normal programming!!!

    They could have chosen from several reasons for the lack of attendance such as fear of unruly crowds. If I saw demonstrators setting cars on fire I think I may have decided abruptly not to go to the inauguration.

    To be fair, at the same time when you look at the things he has done since being elected, they are just him fulfilling campaign promises. If he could do that without adding the personal slurs and insults???? It's going to be a very long four years. As a member of the middle, the middle of the middle class, I've learned to distrust republicans. Some of Trumps ideas aren't that bad. I cringe every time he says something rude and insulting and the press is having a field day. A good thing maybe is that ordinary people know more about what is going on then ever before.

    As for getting rid of Obama care, I think all that will happen is that the name will be ripped off of the program and turned into "Trump Care." Instead of revising and changing aspects that weren't working. Scrap it and???? It will be the best. Believe it. I just worry about this man as our President, he has not a single ounce of diplomacy or politeness. I find it hard to believe he was a somewhat successful business man.

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    As for getting rid of Obama care, I think all that will happen is that the name will be ripped off of the program and turned into "Trump Care." Instead of revising and changing aspects that weren't working. Scrap it and???? It will be the best. Believe it. I just worry about this man as our President, he has not a single ounce of diplomacy or politeness. I find it hard to believe he was a somewhat successful business man.
    I thought that too, but there is more to it. Apart of Obamacare is actually a tax increase on billionaires and corporations, this is the sole reason why Republicans have been at war with Obamacare, their donors (the billionaires and corporations) hates that tax increase and wants it gone. You might have notice Republicans always saying they must repeal it, never fix or amend, always repeal. The reason why is if they repeal it the tax increase goes away without anyone noticing.

    If it wasn't for this tax increase, my money would definitely be on Trump just renaming it with a few minor changes, after all it is Republican policy. But with this tax increase mixed in, my money is on them repealing it and promising to come up with a replacement later, but never do.

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    The biggest thing i hate is the very large profitable corporations like McDonalds and others including the one I work for. They keep the majority of workers part-time so they do not have to provide health insurance. As soon as Obama care was enacted our company dropped the part-time employee health insurance plan. Yet, the majority of their workers receive the most governmental subsidies. I know this I work in a lower paying field, part-time, i.e. the housewife, student job extra cash. They get food assistance, medical assistance, housing and heat assistance to pay high fuel bills during winter. Most of their cash is extra money. No taxes. Obama care forced them all to sign up. One co-worker didn't sign up, he said it was still cheaper to pay the fine on his taxes, but that the fine goes up every year without insurance and once it became too expensive he would chose the cheapest option.

    I've one co-worker who doesn't care when they cut our hours down to nothing for a week because his governmental assistance goes up to offset any of his personal loss. He's got a college degree and he is smart. A millennial who can't find a decent job. Anyway a lot of the laws don't favor family institutions. Two co-workers, young moms, don't want to get married because they get more assistance just having the father of their children as boyfriend who conveniently lives with them until it is convenient for them not to on the assistance forms. The rich screw the middle class over, the poor screw everyone over and another day in America. I'm still glad I live here in my little house and that we are getting by on what we make.

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    The biggest thing i hate is the very large profitable corporations like McDonalds and others including the one I work for. They keep the majority of workers part-time so they do not have to provide health insurance. As soon as Obama care was enacted our company dropped the part-time employee health insurance plan. Yet, the majority of their workers receive the most governmental subsidies. I know this I work in a lower paying field, part-time, i.e. the housewife, student job extra cash. They get food assistance, medical assistance, housing and heat assistance to pay high fuel bills during winter. Most of their cash is extra money. No taxes. Obama care forced them all to sign up. One co-worker didn't sign up, he said it was still cheaper to pay the fine on his taxes, but that the fine goes up every year without insurance and once it became too expensive he would chose the cheapest option.

    I've one co-worker who doesn't care when they cut our hours down to nothing for a week because his governmental assistance goes up to offset any of his personal loss. He's got a college degree and he is smart. A millennial who can't find a decent job. Anyway a lot of the laws don't favor family institutions. Two co-workers, young moms, don't want to get married because they get more assistance just having the father of their children as boyfriend who conveniently lives with them until it is convenient for them not to on the assistance forms. The rich screw the middle class over, the poor screw everyone over and another day in America. I'm still glad I live here in my little house and that we are getting by on what we make.
    Exactly, it is gross and sickening

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    The biggest thing i hate is the very large profitable corporations like McDonalds and others including the one I work for. They keep the majority of workers part-time so they do not have to provide health insurance. As soon as Obama care was enacted our company dropped the part-time employee health insurance plan. Yet, the majority of their workers receive the most governmental subsidies. I know this I work in a lower paying field, part-time, i.e. the housewife, student job extra cash. They get food assistance, medical assistance, housing and heat assistance to pay high fuel bills during winter. Most of their cash is extra money. No taxes. Obama care forced them all to sign up. One co-worker didn't sign up, he said it was still cheaper to pay the fine on his taxes, but that the fine goes up every year without insurance and once it became too expensive he would chose the cheapest option.

    I've one co-worker who doesn't care when they cut our hours down to nothing for a week because his governmental assistance goes up to offset any of his personal loss. He's got a college degree and he is smart. A millennial who can't find a decent job. Anyway a lot of the laws don't favor family institutions. Two co-workers, young moms, don't want to get married because they get more assistance just having the father of their children as boyfriend who conveniently lives with them until it is convenient for them not to on the assistance forms. The rich screw the middle class over, the poor screw everyone over and another day in America. I'm still glad I live here in my little house and that we are getting by on what we make.
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    Exactly, it is gross and sickening
    This is what I have seen from people more than anything. 24-hour-a week jobs. That's three days. They have to find another job to keep paying the bills - that's considered two jobs, inflating the numbers.
    This was an Obamacare law - 30 hours was considered the threshold for insurance coverage. They found a way around it.

    The unemployment rate went back up to 4.8% because there are people looking for work again - that was ignored throughout the Obama Presidency. January's job creation exceeded expectations.

    The threshold is one thing Trump needs to address. It needs to go back up to 40 hours. For part-time jobs, they would get reduced set of coverage, not the full set that a full-time would.

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    ...but what happens if there is another recession? Our interest rates are also still way too low given where we should be after a recession. Eight years and we are barely breaking even. There is no stimulus to hire in the United States other than the under-30 hour jobs to bypass the Obamacare mandate.
    True, so you got to wonder why Trump is now removing the rules and regulations that are designed to prevent another recession, it is like he doesn't care what happens to you, he just cares about how much profit myself and his big business friends can make.

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