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    I wouldn't mind living in Canada, especially Vancouver. Not sure about Toronto - I don't think I could handle the winters.
    They got some snow tonight. It's not quite as cold as I would think it would be - it does have it's times when it is bad.

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    So the rest of the world piggybacks on America?
    No, the world has handed American drugs companies the biggest gift it ever got. With one approval, the American drugs companies has access to basically the worldwide market, saving it tons in further approval costs and giving it an advantage over other drug companies. With more drugs being sold, it means more American jobs too. You are getting angry about something that creates American jobs and give an advantage to American drug companies.

    Not only that, but it will also put people's lives at risk. Corporations have proven time and time again it cannot be trusted to put safety above more profits. People also have a low trust in drugs already, just imagine what would happen if people started dying from bad drugs. Without testing, how can you be sure what you are taking is safe?

    Getting rid of the FDA and trusting corporations, it is exactly like getting rid of the police and trusting criminals.

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    There are still drugs approved in othet countries without America.
    Yes, because different countries have different illnesses, e.g. lyme disease isn't found in Australia, so we don't have the treatments for it. Not only that, but most drugs have many different names depending on the market it is in.

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    Think we all know that in some countries there are deals struck between the pharmaceutical companies and the government. Here in Ireland most people with anxiety and depression are on the same forms of medication. I don't think that is by chance alone. You buy our brands of medication and we will give them to you at a nice price. Deals are done. Companies make loads of money. Everybody is a winner. Except the patient who may do better on some other form of medication that is not available to them. Our healthcare system is a joke. The NHS was mentioned in an earlier post. That is in the UK. Ours is actually worse than that. Unless you go private. Which will break the bank. Go private and you find yourself been giving these same forms of medication too. No escaping them at all. They are pushed on everybody.
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    Think we all know that in some countries there are deals struck between the pharmaceutical companies and the government. Here in Ireland most people with anxiety and depression are on the same forms of medication. I don't think that is by chance alone. You buy our brands of medication and we will give them to you at a nice price. Deals are done. Companies make loads of money. Everybody is a winner. Except the patient who may do better on some other form of medication that is not available to them. Our healthcare system is a joke. The NHS was mentioned in an earlier post. That is in the UK. Ours is actually worse than that. Unless you go private. Which will break the bank. Go private and you find yourself been giving these same forms of medication too. No escaping them at all. They are pushed on everybody.
    Exactly, it is why I think the USA and UK should copy Australia. I've been sick for awhile and been on so many different drugs and not once did I came across a drug that was not available to me at $5 per script. The system works because the Australian government makes deals with the drug companies before the drugs are listed and available. A part of that process includes the government working out a reasonable price that it will paid to the companies for the drugs. The companies are forced into this system, because little to no Australian gets their drugs outside this system, it's a form of socialise healthcare and it works.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/10/o...or-trumps.html

    The Trumps are profiting off of taxpayers...

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    Exactly, it is why I think the USA and UK should copy Australia. I've been sick for awhile and been on so many different drugs and not once did I came across a drug that was not available to me at $5 per script. The system works because the Australian government makes deals with the drug companies before the drugs are listed and available. A part of that process includes the government working out a reasonable price that it will paid to the companies for the drugs. The companies are forced into this system, because little to no Australian gets their drugs outside this system, it's a form of socialise healthcare and it works.
    For you in Australia, maybe, but it may not for other people in your country.
    But, as you said with your explanation about diseases and drugs, you are not the the US.
    We are not Australia. Our system of Government is different. This "you should be like us" thing is troubling. That's "one world government" kind of stuff. Obamacare is as close to socialized medicine as we have ever been and it is not working for us. We have areas of the country paying far more than others and companies/doctors leaving the system.

    We just caught a guy doing a monopoly thing on a drug and he is being put in prison for it - monopolies are against the law here and they will be forced to break up for the sake of building competition.
    Drug companies should be out to make money but if they try to corner the market, that is a red flag here. That is why generic medications like the one I am on are gaining steam.

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    For you in Australia, maybe, but it may not for other people in your country.
    But, as you said with your explanation about diseases and drugs, you are not the the US.
    We are not Australia. Our system of Government is different. This "you should be like us" thing is troubling. That's "one world government" kind of stuff. Obamacare is as close to socialized medicine as we have ever been and it is not working for us. We have areas of the country paying far more than others and companies/doctors leaving the system.
    Like @sunrise said, you should cancel your subscription to Conspiracy Quarterly. No-one, outside the USA, wants anything to do with the USA, because an spoiled brat was elected into office. Obamacare is not even close to socialised medicine, it is an regulated free-market system. The fact that you buy healthcare insurance from corporations that sell it in a regulated marketplace should be a big clue that it is free-market policy.

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    We just caught a guy doing a monopoly thing on a drug and he is being put in prison for it - monopolies are against the law here and they will be forced to break up for the sake of building competition.
    Drug companies should be out to make money but if they try to corner the market, that is a red flag here. That is why generic medications like the one I am on are gaining steam.
    I didn't say anything about monopolies nor would the fast-track system create monopolies. You changed the subject because you lost the argument and tried to cover it up.

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    Like @sunrise said, you should cancel your subscription to Conspiracy Quarterly. No-one, outside the USA, wants anything to do with the USA, because an spoiled brat was elected into office. Obamacare is not even close to socialised medicine, it is an regulated free-market system. The fact that you buy healthcare insurance from corporations that sell it in a marketplace should be a big clue that it is free-market policy.
    It wasn't a "marketplace" when it only had three plans and groups of companies "assigned to take the bait". States' rates jump 20% to 120% in one year and the taxpayers have to fill that in?
    Uh, no.

    Monopolies - one item to sell and charge what you want. We don't do that here.

    And the only time a debate is completely lost is when it resorts to a personal attack. Yes, you hate Trump. You also happen to be reading the two most left-leaning (and ratings-plummeted) news sources we have - MSNBC and the Washington Post. They have been doing hit jobs on Trump all along, and CNN helped Hillary with debate questions. Then again, if you read something over and over, no matter who false it is, it becomes truth.

    One of these days, you might just have a leader in your country you won't like.

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    It wasn't a "marketplace" when it only had three plans and groups of companies "assigned to take the bait". States' rates jump 20% to 120% in one year and the taxpayers have to fill that in?
    Uh, no.
    Yes, it is called a market failure, it happens in free markets. I know this because I studied economics at uni.

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    Monopolies - one item to sell and charge what you want. We don't do that here.
    That's funny Yes, you do, i.e. Comcast, Google, Luxottica, Monsanto, YKK, etc. There is also just five major banks, handful of insurance companies and a handful of media companies. The USA is the king of monopolies.

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    And the only time a debate is completely lost is when it resorts to a personal attack.
    Trump personally attacks people everyday, I personally attack him back because I don't like bullies.

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    Yes, you hate Trump.
    I don't hate him, but I do have issues with him. And because I do, you assume I'm a die-hard Hillary supporter and assume my positions on topics without hearing me out first. You are the one adding to the issue of hyperpartisanship by refusing to even hear someone out who might disagrees with you. It is not good that you put yourself in an completely closed-minded state.

    Quote Ironman View Post
    You also happen to be reading the two most left-leaning (and ratings-plummeted) news sources we have - MSNBC and the Washington Post. They have been doing hit jobs on Trump all along, and CNN helped Hillary with debate questions. Then again, if you read something over and over, no matter who false it is, it becomes truth.
    I think you mean The New York Times, something that you have linked to as well. And just because I post something doesn't mean I 100% agree with it, I could just only find it interesting or I wanted to make a point with it.

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    One of these days, you might just have a leader in your country you won't like.
    I'm curious now, what exactly do you think my politics are and my positions?

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    White House national security adviser Michael Flynn is under increasing political pressure and risks losing the confidence of some colleagues following reports that he misled senior administration officials about his discussion of sanctions with a Russian envoy shortly before President Trump took office.
    As White House aides scramble to get their stories straight about the exact nature of those communications and as Democrats call for Flynn?s security clearance to be suspended or revoked, neither Trump nor his advisers have publicly defended Flynn or stated unequivocally that he has the president?s confidence.
    Privately, some administration officials said that Flynn?s position has weakened and support for him has eroded largely because of a belief that he was disingenuous about Russia and therefore could not be fully trusted going forward.

    ...?Flynn is running out of friends, no question,? a different administration official said. ?The broad consensus in the White House is that he lied. The vice president feels like he lied. In a position that needs to be no drama, it?s nonstop drama. I would be very surprised if he lasts much longer.?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.308f5ce96587
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    Universal health care is unaffordable, but 800 military bases around the world is for some reason...

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