Random Thought of the Day

[Nyctophilia]

I'm reading more of this paper about Wuthering Heights (so spoilers):


https://creativematter.skidmore.edu/...=eng_stu_schol

And I like these parts a lot:

The cast-aside Catherine finds joy in the harsh heath just as the diminished Lilith finds solace by the desolate and demon-infested Red Sea. Both women find comfort in inhospitable landscapes because their wild spirits need space to rule and roam. The connection between the moors and Hell appears in Catherine's dream: "Heaven did not seem to be my home; and I broke my heart with weeping to come back to earth; and the angels were so angry that they flung me out, into the middle of the heath on the top of Wuthering Heights; where I woke sobbing for joy" (63). God and the cherubim block Lilith from Heaven, the angels toss Catherine back onto the moors, and Bronte brings Hell to Yorkshire.

Bronte kills Catherine giving birth to Edgar Linton's daughter thus weakening Gilbert and Gubar's assertion that Catherine is the Eve of Bronte's Bible of Hell. Gilbert and Gubar argue that Catherine, by marrying Linton, falls into rather than from grace. Catherine rejects the Hell and the devil and accepts a place in Heaven with her Adam when she chooses to marry the decent Edgar Linton rather than "that devil Heathcliff" (216).12 No longer does Catherine roam the wild moors; she instead languishes under the "pure white ceiling bordered by gold" of Thrushcross Grange (38).

Bronte uses Catherine's dream to foreshadow that Heaven will reject her. Gilbert and Gubar's argument falters here because the ultimate ascent would be for the motherless Catherine to fulfill her maternal mission and raise moral children in the heavenly Thrushcross Grange.13 Instead, Catherine dies without her dual spirit. Heathcliff understands that Catherine dies because she attempts to untether their souls

Why did you betray your own heart, Cathy? I have not one word of comfort. You deserve this. You have killed yourself?You loved me--then what right had you to leave me? What right--answer me--for the poor fancy you felt for Linton? Because misery and degradation, and death, and nothing that God or Satan could inflict would have parted us, you, of your own will, did it?What kind of living will it be when you--oh, God! would you like to live with your soul in the grave? It is hard to forgive, and to look at those eyes, and feel those wasted hands?Kiss me again; and don't let me see your eyes! I forgive what you have done to me. I love my murderer-- but yours! How can I? (125-126)

It is Catherine, and Catherine alone, who cuts Heathcliff from her soul. Catherine attempts to be a good wife just as Lilith attempts to be Adam's handmaiden, but she relinquishes her spirit in the process. The amputation is too much for her. Without the added strength of Heathcliff's soul, her body cannot bear harboring her daughter. Catherine dies in the golden Thrushcross Grange, away from her beloved hellish moors, but her spirit haunts the heath. The first generation fails to unite Lilith and Samael, so Bronte must act as the Blind Dragon and create a second generation to satisfy destiny

^ Again this is very platonic sounding /s (to quote one of the websites I mentioned yesterday):

https://medium.com/@smashlee011/plea...t-ec14582298a7


There is zero indication that Catherine or Heathcliff have romantic, sexual chemistry. They aren't physically attracted to one another like Catherine is to Edgar Linton (the man she marries), and since she is pregnant and dies after giving birth, we, as readers, know Catherine has had sex.


In fact, if you analyze this story from a historical lens (which is important since mores, morals, and day-to-day living was different), a modern audience might better understand that Victorian-era audiences considered the "opposites attract" rule to be the epitome of romantic love.


The only reason we consider Wuthering Heights a romance is because of moody film adaptations and bad high school English teachers. So, I plead with you all, the betrothed, married, and stupid-in-love couples of the world, please stop using this quote to describe your relationship.

It doesn't mean what you think.

If I imagined you really wished me to marry Isabel, I'd cut my throat!'

'Oh, the evil is that I am not jealous, is it?' cried Catherine. 'Well, I won't repeat my offer of a wife: it is as bad as offering Satan a lost soul. Your bliss lies, like his, in inflicting misery. You prove it. Edgar is restored from the ill-temper he gave way to at your coming; I begin to be secure and tranquil; and you, restless to know us at peace, appear resolved on exciting a quarrel. Quarrel with Edgar, if you please, Heathcliff, and deceive his sister: you'll hit on exactly the most efficient method of revenging yourself on me.'

I saw the quarrel had merely effected a closer intimacy--had broken the outworks of youthful timidity, and enabled them to forsake the disguise of friendship, and confess themselves lovers.

In bed at Wuthering Heights, Lockwood finds three names etched into the bed frame: Catherine Linton, Catherine Earnshaw, and Catherine Heathcliff.

Sex in Wuthering Heights

I was told by a teacher that there were two different sex scenes or sex references in Wuthering Heights before chapter 21. This teacher has yet to tell our class what they are yet, I was wondering if anyone already knew what she might be talking about? I have yet to find them myself and I have searched multiple forums and articles online and none of them mention anything about two "sex scenes" before chapter 21.

I'm pretty sure there isn't. Maybe your teacher just read fanfiction too.


I can't (easily,) find what this person is talking about so I may actually have to read the entire book at some point lol:

At the time they're teens, Cathy and Heathcliff often hang around together and some time they end up in such an old medieval bed which is a room in itself kind of. They are caught lying there with the doors closed by Hindley who in turn expells Heathcliff from the house if I remember rightly.

Any minute now some little plonker is going to suggest that Heathcliff was gay.

Well...


It is giving 'And they were roommates' hetero edition. Sappho and her friend (this is a letter written by Emily Dickinson to her friend):

I have but one thought, Susie, this afternoon of June, and that of you, and I have one prayer, only; dear Susie, that is for you. That you and I in hand as we e'en do in heart, might ramble away as children, among the woods and fields, and forget these many years, and these sorrowing cares, and each become a child again -- I would it were so, Susie, and when I look around me and find myself alone, I sigh for you again; little sigh, and vain sigh, which will not bring you home.

I need you more and more, and the great world grows wider, and dear ones fewer and fewer, every day that you stay away -- I miss my biggest heart; my own goes wandering round, and calls for Susie -- Friends are too dear to sunder, Oh they are far too few, and how soon they will go away where you and I cannot find them, don't let us forget these things, for their remembrance now will save us many an anguish when it is too late to love them! Susie, forgive me Darling, for every word I say -- my heart is full of you, none other than you is in my thoughts, yet when I seek to say to you something not for the world, words fail me. If you were here -- and Oh that you were, my Susie, we need not talk at all, our eyes would whisper for us, and your hand fast in mine, we would not ask for language -- I try to bring you nearer, I chase the weeks away till they are quite departed, and fancy you have come, and I am on my way through the green lane to meet you, and my heart goes scampering so, that I have much ado to bring it back again, and learn it to be patient, till that dear Susie comes. Three weeks -- they can't last always, for surely they must go with their little brothers and sisters to their long home in the west!

I shall grow more and more impatient until that dear day comes, for till now, I have only mourned for you; now I begin to hope for you.


Dear Susie, I have tried hard to think what you would love, of something I might send you -- I at last say my little Violets, they begged me to let them go, so here they are -- and with them as Instructor, a bit of knightly grass, who also begged the favor to accompany them -- they are but small, Susie, and I fear not fragrant now, but they will speak to you of warm hearts at home, and of something faithful which "never slumbers nor sleeps" -- Keep them 'neath your pillow, Susie, they will make you dream of blue-skies, and home, and the "blessed contrie"! You and I will have an hour with "Edward" and "Ellen Middleton", sometime when you get home -- we must find out if some things contained therein are true, and if they are, what you and me are coming to!

Now, farewell, Susie, and Vinnie sends her love, and mother her's, and I add a kiss, shyly, lest there is somebody there! Don't let them see, will you Susie?

Why do I feel like that woman walks by everyday talking like that and he was ready for her that particular day?

Nah there's no way that video wasn't staged. It's too convinient.


I'm sorry but this is stupid to me. Yes it's an unhealthy relationship and was very controversial for the time period. Most of the characters are also not really good people and also are basically mentally ill and physically abusive to other characters. But I don't get how you can argue there's no romantic chemistry...


It's not mutually exclusive.

Some readers and critics have interpreted the relationship between Catherine Earnshaw and Heathcliff in Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights as a lesbian or [BEEP] relationship

https://www.maramarietta.com/the-art.../emily-bronte/

My reading of Wuthering Heights as a lesbian text is an argument based on probability. I interpret the doubling of Heathcliff and Catherine Earnshaw as a projection of Emily Bronte's ambivalence about her sexual inversion and the narrative patterns of sameness and difference in the novel as a conflict between homo- and heterosexuality.

But the doubling that is Catherine-Heathcliff is echoed throughout the novel in other forms of repetition and merging. One of the frequently identified patterns of Wuthering Heights is the movement toward sameness and the obliteration of difference. Furthermore, it is sameness in difference that evokes passion in the novel, reflecting homosexual rather than heterosexual intensity.

Loooool.

Sameness is challenged by difference, however, when the Lintons enter the children's lives. Edgar Linton, who is to provide Catherine?s introduction to acceptable heterosexual love, is from the beginning associated with separation and difference. Heathcliff and Catherine watch the young Lintons quarrel in the living room of Thrushcross Grange through the barrier of a window, a window Heathcliff imagines shattering. Here Catherine is bitten by a dog in a scene replete with sexual imagery. Catherine stays several weeks at Thrushcross Grange, where she is transformed into a typical young lady. This is the beginning of Catherine?s denial of Heathcliff, of Emily Bronte's attempt to deny her sexual identity. When Catherine returns to the Heights, Heathcliff sees 'a bright, graceful damsel enter the house, instead of the rough-headed counterpart of himself, as he had expected'. Difference appears to have prevailed over sameness, cultural conformity over rebellion, heterosexuality over homosexuality. Heathcliff sickens in proportion to Catherine's growing friendship with Edgar Linton and their separation is marked by increasing violence. Heathcliff hurls a tureen of hot applesauce at Edgar; Catherine strikes both Nelly and Edgar; Hindley drops his son over the banister.

Heathcliff is at his most sadistic, his most monstrous, in this heterosexual relationship with Isabella. Bronte's presentation of Heathcliff as monster reflects her effort to repudiate her sexual identity, an indication of the power of internalized homophobia.

I have no idea what the context of this is like is it a quote from a TV show? A conversation she was having with someone? I dunno:

I'd been thinking about Emily, about her ravaging love story, ever since Ingrid had told us she’d been commissioned to write the music for a dance version of Wuthering Heights that a Dutch troupe was developing.


-How do you explain it?
-The book doesn’t flatter the reader, it guards its secrets. And that, as every woman knows, is an aphrodisiac.
-And yet she died a virgin. Unknown.
-But not unknowing. She may or may not have loved someone at Law Hill School, but what's certain is that she loved herself. That's enough to know the essential.
-You think so?
-Yes.
-I don't.
-My view, Sprague, is this: All the mirroring in the book, the mixing of names and genders, suggests a lesbian consciousness. When you understand the role of Heathcliff, it all becomes clear.

̶ So you believe Emily was lesbian?
̶ I'm sure of it.

We cross the border into France.

̶ What makes you so sure?
̶ Wuthering Heights is a book shot through with ambivalence, and driving it all is Emily's sexuality. She was your age, Sprague--twenty-seven--when she wrote it. And at that age…


Her demonic masterpiece, and my humble haiku.

- …all she knew was that she was an oddity. The language didn't have the resources for her to conceive of herself any other way. 'Invert', maybe.
- So the tension in the book, it derives from her response to her sexuality?
- Yes. It's an expression of her ambivalence. And all the violence is a sign of her frustration.
- At what?
- At not being able to affirm herself frankly.

The traffic's light; you're pushing one sixty.

- 'I am Heathcliff': How do you interpret it?
- Heathcliff is the cipher of Emily's homosexuality. The outsider, the alien, the odd one out. He's Catherine's double, not her complement.
- He embodies her sexuality?
- Yes. That strategy of doubling is very lesbian. Catherine and Heathcliff are one and the same.
- So when she has to choose between Heathcliff and Edgar Linton…
- She has to choose to affirm or deny her homosexuality. She chooses Linton and her world falls apart. The pain of abandoning such a fundamental part of herself kills her.

I don't think ambivalence is lesbian because lesbian is something concrete. Also it's flattening a lot of stuff.


Contrapoints once referred to what I think they're trying to get at in a patreon video as the 'genderfluid gaze' while also quoting from a book by Lucy Neville and some other stuff:

Many perverse but enjoyable relations of looking... the imagined 'self' has the freedom to mutate into alternative manifestations... a shifting gaze, one where they can watch m/m pornography from a number of perspectives - Lucy Neville, Girls Who Like Boys Who Like Boys

It reminds me of a quote from The Second Sex where Beauvoir describes a dynamic where lesbians:

"when embracing each other other, each one was both man and woman and was enchanted with the other's androgynous virtues."

Love that. This to me is the genderfluid gaze, the verse gaze. If you'll excuse me making a value judgement. Clearly the superior gaze.

"A large proportion of the women I spoke with often identify as male, if not in a day-to-day sense than in a sexual sense." - Lucy Neville, Girls Who Like Boys Who Like Boys


[...]

Well one of the survey participants says.

"Despite the fact that my significant other is female and we've been together for thirty years [f/f] is of little interest in my fantasy life. Plus, my significant other and I relate to each other in our shared fantasies as 'male'" - survey participant, to Lucy Neville, Girls Who Like Boys Who Like Boys.

I definitely have done this myself. In my gender presentation on YouTube I often will kind of lean into this paradoxical presentation of like a gay woman who is also somehow a gay man. In consuming media I'm drawn to relationships like Hannibal and Will, Louis and Lestat.

I think part of it has to do with the usual guilt trip. Attraction to women often makes me feel like a predator and I feel like this is especially heightened because I'm a trans woman and there's all these kind of tropes floating around in the discourse. But I can kind of guiltlessly enjoy a predatory dynamic if it's between two men.

Which is not to say I only identify as the predator, part of the appeal is that you can kind of shift identification between predator and prey.

I think a mistake Contrapoints makes (I've said this before,) is to imply this is the preference of most women, and that most women are into slash fanfiction and also (not quoted,) twinks. Especially since she's mostly quoting bisexual women like Beauvoir, and bisexual women are more often writing slash fanfiction on AO3 at least according to surveys.


I mean there's an entire genre:





Honestly it's more poetic at this point to refer to it as pagan (I just found this quote on goodreads):


"Some critics say that Cathy is justified for not marrying Heathcliff because their love is a very pagan one that can't be realized in a Christian marriage. This reading ignores the fact that this does not really apply to Heathcliff. He seems to think that they should have married."

[Nyctophilia]

This is really hilarious how have they not grasped that playing characters of a different genders in video games has been a thing for decades now? It's like when they were all freaking out about the olympics opening ceremony like it was still 1985:

If Minecraft is turning our kids transgender, then why didn't Tomb Raider turn me into an artifact-napping British museum employee?

I've been saying this. Why am I still not a billionaire?


I think we have to keep things in perspective here. Like OK your kids played Minecraft and came out as trans but it could have been a lot worse. I played Tomb Raider (several games,) and inexplicably I am now British. Just imagine.


Where's my compensation?


We should really be doing something about this.


I've said this before but this was so iconic:

lmao i remember being like 11 and just making her turn left and right quickly so her hair would flip everywhere

hahaha.


I don't think this is how it works either since I usually preferred to play female video game characters (with some exceptions,) but still non-binary. Also there's survey data on this lol and 1 in 3 men prefer to play as female characters yet aren't trans mysterious:


https://quanticfoundry.com/2021/08/05/character-gender/

Overall, players are most likely to prefer playable characters of the same gender.

This is true for players who identify as male, female, and non-binary. Notably, female players have the strongest preference for playing a character of the same gender (76%), whereas non-binary gender players--while still most likely to prefer non-binary gender characters--prefer non-binary gender characters only slightly more than female characters (38% vs. 33%).

I don't think I've played a game besides The Sims with non-binary characters so I don't know what I'd prefer if it was an option. I mean my Runescape character uses male langauge for titles etc because you can pick between male and female. There's one gender neutral option too for this new thing where you can become a duke, duchess or dux. As much as I like words with x in dux just sounds funny. I do like ducks but just went with duke lol. It didn't sound right. Maybe I'll change it later because ducks. Oh and I usually have a female body in that game, but sometimes change to male if there's a certain outfit gender. I like the hair options more and the character was always female to start with so got used to that.


On the other hand when I was writing as a teenager probably 80% of my characters were male also the characters I was reading about mostly male.



This is what I meant about 1985:





I feel like metal being a subgenre of rock is weird because no one really thinks/talks about it that way and then it has tons of subgenres of it's own lol.





It's not that I'm Satanic, satanic figures are cool/relateable sometimes but it's mostly that I ideally don't want to play in your game/pardigm/framework.


I want a different spiritual/cultural system that accounts for everyone. People with high openness and low openness, androgynous people and not...

[Nyctophilia]

^ relatedly:

I want a different spiritual/cultural system that accounts for everyone. People with high openness and low openness, androgynous people and not...

(It'll never happen we hate each other too much I think. It's reflexive)

You mean to tell me the side with a lot of people saying men suck is unpopular among men?
Impossible...

"they dont like trump. they just hate you" this quote slap

I don't think this is just about the democrats and followers obvious animosity towards men. Policies like this simply aren't popular with a lot of women but are much more so with men:

I like his approval of the Keystone pipeline which will hopefully lower gas prices, I like his secure border policy, and I like his approach to tax cuts and benefits better than harris' approach to name a few

Likewise look at how abortion is divided by gender - not sex - gender in the US:


https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/20...-about-gender/

Forty-five percent of "completely feminine" women say that abortion should be illegal in most or all cases, compared with just 26 percent of other women. Similarly, 49 percent of "completely masculine" men say that abortion should be mostly or always illegal, compared with 31 percent of other men. Put another way, "completely feminine" women have much more in common with "completely masculine" than they do with other women. Just so, men who don?t assert a "completely masculine" gender identity have abortion attitudes much closer to women who don't say that they're "completely feminine" than they do with other men.

The importance of gender - rather than sex - in shaping attitudes on abortion is even clearer when we ignore sex entirely and look just at gender traditionalists (completely masculine men and completely feminine women) versus everyone else. Forty-six percent of gender traditionalists think that abortion should generally be illegal, compared to just 28 percent of non-traditionalists. Contrast that 18-point gap with the five-point gap (43 percent for men, 38 percent for women) in the division based on sex. If your analysis of abortion views divides up the public based on sex, you?re missing the real difference.

^ this quite possibly happens with other issues too. There are multiple mating strategies obviously and I believe this is having a bigger impact on culture than sex.


And whatever is going on here with the fetishes that Aella found which probably has some impact perhaps bidirectionally on the culture war:





Also from what I hear women have moved further left in the US than men have right - it's debateable if men have even moved further right at all in the US depending on your source. Though in South Korea it's often said to be men who have moved further right:


The UK again seems to be doing something else where both are more left wing but women more than men, but every source you'll read will say something different tbh lol:

The gender gap has become a growing phenomenon in United States politics, and as of recently, world politics. The change in voting behavior and partisanship as a result of gender has increased significantly over the past three decades. There is an obvious pattern occurring, one which political scientists have analyzed extensively and coined the "gender gap." The United States and the United Kingdom both have present gender gaps, however it has become abundantly clear that the gaps themselves are complete opposites. The United States has been experiencing what has come to be known as a "modern gender gap," while Britain has been consistently closer to a "traditional gender gap." American women are increasingly more liberal than men, as well as more liberal as a whole. British women, on the other hand, are known for voting and behaving more conservatively. However, as feminism rises and gender roles expand, it appears that Britain's gender gap may be moving in a similar direction to that of the United States. This transition from the traditional to the modern gender gap has swept the United States in the last three decades, and we aim to prove that it is slowly, but surely emerging in Britain. Within the next few decades the gender gap in Britain will begin to look identical to that of the United States.

^ this is from 2015.

U.S. Women Have Become More Liberal; Men Mostly Stable

https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/...ly-stable.aspx

Young women's, senior women's liberal identity up 11 points since 1999
Middle-aged women have also become more liberal, but less strongly
Men's ideological views have changed less but are slightly more liberal

Women of all age groups grew more likely to identify as liberal between 1999 and 2021 before drawing back slightly from that position since then. But the steepest increases in liberal ID occurred among women at either end of the age spectrum.

This is also basically why conservative parties hate unmarried women though, because they don't vote for them lol. In the US anyway.


Lol:

Why are unmarried women so liberal compared to everyone else?

I don't care; I'm just glad to see it! This child-free liberal married at 60.

Genuine question:

Does it bother you that you're genetics will be wiped out of the species?

Like you are ending a line of millions of years of life reproducing to form what you are now and that chain of life from millions of years ago still lives on in you today but won't anymore after you.

It's just fascinating that from an evolutionary perspective something happened to where evolution has stopped and certain groups in the species are prideful their genetics won?t exist anymore.

Does it bother you that you?re genetics will be wiped out of the species?

No

That's fascinating. Just a "no".

Another genuine question:

If someone created a biological weapon that changed certain groups DNA to cause them to no longer want to reproduce but it was unbeknownst to them. So they lived happy lives but never reproduced resulting in that groups genetics being killed off after a generation or so.

How would you compare something like that to the holocaust or genocide?

For example, if Hitler had the genetic engineering we have today and had a program unknown to the public that targeted Jewish people's DNA to result in them not wanting to have kids so he could erase them from existence without anyone noticing.

I know it's kinda science fiction, but it's an interesting thought experiment of value structure that i find fascinating.

Most people asking that question are attempting a form of coersion and to make an emotional argument to try and push a pro-reproductive viewpoint. So just no makes a lot of sense as a response.


Also getting the feeling he might have certain viewpoints about race but that might just be based on the massive amount of ethno nationalist stuff I'm exposed to in 5 minutes on twitter most days. This is reddit so I'd have to adjust my lens.

That's different from personal choice, which some women in the US have. I feel any forced anything is wrong. Your Hilter scenario could work, but I'm thinking The Handmaid's Tale is more accurate.

Obviously lots of hypotheticals.

What would you say to someone who says that because you didn't have children that it's not fair you are entitled to have the same representation in decision making that affects future generations?

Again, thanks for giving these responses.

I assume you see it as the Handsmaid tale analogy working more than the Hitler analogy because in Handsmaid tale it is about giving up personal choice, the only difference from the biological weapons theoretical is that handsmaid is from the perspective the personal choice not to have children. So they ultimately both deal with taking away women's personal choice, which is the real moral value that you feel should be protected.

It's a form of bigotry used once again to try and coerce people to reproduce.

Thank you for not passing on your genes, I am genuinely thankful. Although I do doubt that it was your choice 🤭

This kind of response probably encourages women to not reproduce so it's amusing that most conservatives (especially men,) take this approach on social media while simultaneously complaining about the birth rate, because you're making yourself an outgroup to most single women by insulting any women I think:


https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0822154902.htm

Why do unmarried women tend to be more liberal and Democratic than their married counterparts? A key reason is because unmarried women -- those who have never been married and those who are divorced -- are more concerned about the status of women as a collective group, suggests a new study.

"Over 67 percent of never married women and 66 percent of divorced women perceive what happens to other women as having some or a lot to do with what happens in their own lives," said Kelsy Kretschmer, a co-author of the study and an assistant professor of sociology at Oregon State University. "Only 56.5 percent of married women hold the same views."

These results reveal that unmarried women have high levels of "linked fate," or the conviction that an individual's chances of success depend on the status of the group. According to Kretschmer, the differences in married and unmarried women's levels of gender "linked fate" explain a significant amount of their political divergence.

"For a woman, when it comes to politics, having a high level of gender linked fate generally means she thinks in terms of what will benefit women as a group," said Kretschmer. "This could encompass things such as wage equality, workplace protections for pregnancy and maternity leave, anti-domestic violence laws, and welfare expansion. Not every individual woman needs these things, but women who have a strong sense of gender linked fate will think in terms of how women as a group will benefit from them. These issues have been most championed in the United States by liberals, female representatives, and the Democratic Party."

This went over well too didn't it? /s

Elon has reached levels of "divorced" that were previously thought to be impossible

But it turns out that at least two of these "mothers" -- his first wife, Justine Musk, and his ex-partner, Claire Boucher, otherwise known as the musician Grimes -- have shown no interest in the compound, at least for the time being, according to the New York Times.

I'm very shocked (/s) to hear that considering how his trans daughter Vivian (Justine is her mum,) clearly feels about him as an absent father. Also apparently Andrew decided to tweet at her recently:

Untill Elon Musks son stops pretending he's a girl and puts some rockets into space he should speak to his father with some respect.

He has catching up to do before he's allowed an opinion.

Lol Andrew her dad is trying to build a harem which is gross at best, and you're an ex-pimp being destroyed by your ex-female partners, 'employees' and the Romanian authorities who brags about how you'd [BEEP] a trans woman over a hyper masculine trans guy because you can '[BEEP] them up.' And basically have violent sex with them.

Take a seat or [redacted]

Wilson wasn't finished, however. In a follow up post on Threads, she wrote: "In the meantime I'm sure you'll make yourself busy by continuing to scam your audience of pre-teens who think you're god."

Vivian Jenna Wilson -- 1, Andrew Tate -- 0.

Lol.


Grimes' fans are like her manager (it's not good though really):





I want that album to come out eventually too. Hopefully the music will be good but I liked the concept a lot:

On an Instagram post of her with pink hair and fang-like teeth, a fan asked the musician what the "vibez" would be like on her next record. Grimes answered them at length, saying: "it's a space opera about CLAIRE DE LUNE - an artificial courtesan who was implanted in a simulation that is a memory of the AI creation story on earth from the brain of the engineer who invented AI because he wants to re live his life but see if his perfect dream girl could teach him to love and thereby he would preserve humanity this time rather than let them fade into obscurity -overcome by the machines.

"As she slowly realizes she is essentially a dancing puppet for the male gaze tho, their relationship grows complex. Simultaneously - "NO ONE" (the most powerful super intelligence in the future where the simulation is being rendered from) realizes there?s a massive hyper-realistic sim running and sends in her troll AI puppets to wreak havoc."

She continued to explain that a "Lead AI demon"called Dark Matter then "enters basically as the "black swan" to claire de lune". However, the two entities "fall into a lesbian romance due to the fact that they are the only two fully Ai beings in this universe".

According to Grimes, there's more to the narrative after that but that is "where the first part of the story stops".

She said some other stuff about it too that was in a Vanity Fair article a few years ago but cba finding it now. Also was planning a book based on this I think at one point lol.

So (this is psychotic) but the song Cath (by Deathcab For Cutie,) reminded me of her and Elon because of what she said about this album at one point (I know the parasocialness,) before I even realised it was about that, so that's also another reason I was curious about Wuthering Heights.

People also like to gloat that 'people like you are going to die out.' But honestly I doubt it at least not anytime soon. Firstly because people like me have existed for thousands of years - I see the same personality types pop up over and over with different language used - but also because people like me keep increasing as time goes on. Which is not necessarily a good thing. There are pros and cons. But women are having children later on average (not never,) and have been for decades + other potential causes that leads to increased genetic mutations and such. As a result you are seeing more neurodivergence and variations from the norm across a range of traits.


But it might be that conservatives have more homosexual male children I think, since they have more children in general and at younger ages which seems like it might increase the chance of male homosexuality especially feminine gay men from what I've read. The kind they ironically hate the most:


https://www.researchgate.net/publica...t_interactions

homosexual men's lesser height relative to heterosexual men's becomes more pronounced with a high number of older brothers. As shown in Fig. 2 (see also Bogaert & Cairney, 2004), having older siblings and younger (vs older) parents increased the likelihood of a homosexual orientation in men, whereas having older siblings and older parents did not or only weakly increased the likelihood of a homosexual orientation in men. Thus, there is evidence of two independent birth order effects: one an overall birth order effect linked to parental age and the other a FBO effect linked to height. These analyses were also conducted using the logistic regression procedure for matched samples in SAS. Very similar results were found, with all four interactions being significant (all p values <0?05). An additional analysis eliminating bisexuals was also conducted, given that there was some expectation that it would strengthen the results (i.e. Older BrothersHeight interaction) because bisexuals may be taller than both heterosexuals and homosexuals (see Bogaert & Friesen, 2002). However, the results, if anything, were slightly weaker (i.e. Older BrothersHeight interaction; both p values <0?08), probably because of a small loss of power after eliminating fourteen ...

It is interesting that the majority of recent studies examining birth order and sexual orientation have found clear support for the FBO effect, finding that general birth order, and older sisters in particular, does not predict men's sexual orientation or does not predict men's sexual orientation once older brothers are taken into account. However, the present study indicates that general birth order (and older sisters), in conjunction with parental age, does predict men's sexual orientation even once older brothers (and its link to height) are controlled for. Thus, the present study revealed a second, independent interaction that occurs between general birth order and parental age, such that having older siblings (e.g. older sisters) and younger (vs older) parents increased the likelihood of a homosexual orientation in men. Why this second, independent interaction occurs in conjunction with an Older Brothers x Height effect is unknown. It may indicate that distinct aetiological factors underlie these two birth order interactions and that they operate independently (and additively) to affect men's sexual orientation.

I know this won't make people like me on this subreddit, but can we at least consider whether or not being more liberal just makes women less likely to be seen as marriage material by men?

I'm sure it does but I also don't think female voters want to date republicans in the US according to surveys . Also research suggests that couples with very different political views tend to have more unstable relationships.


Anecdotally I noticed Curtis Yarvin was dating a progressive woman after his wife died and they were engaged, and then they ended their engagement so I actually assumed he ended it since his wife had previously died early so just seemed like a rebound thing in the first place. But it turns out she ended it. I mean women generally end relationships and she had plenty of reasons to (also notably none of her social circle approved obviously and they were getting a lot of stuff from both sides) - but wasn't sure in that case. Unfortunately she was pregnant when they broke up. He's gotten married again since then.

[Nyctophilia]

Lol. It's not helping. I wrote something months ago about this:

I like long hair a lot aesthetically and romantically.

The kind of default masculine aesthetic is quite boring to me personally. I get why people do this because they cba. I cba either these days since I never go anywhere. Sort of agree with them nonetheless (especially since it's a freaking award ceremony):



Short hair and a suit. Groundbreaking.

It can be though:



Moth jacket.

Iconic.



Going to need to steal all these jackets honestly.



Does he ever miss?

I love the jacket in this video too and this shade of green:



Actually when I was a teenager I had this character I created that had like a dark blue velvet blazer and really wanted to find one at some point irl lol but I didn't. I had some other blazers though.

I really liked blazers so I was jealous of schools that got to wear them as part of their uniform lol my school just had jumpers.

I really wanted Sheogorath's suit in Oblivion which luckily you can get but unfortunately it's a gendered outfit. I don't want a dress with a similar pattern because I'm playing a female character what is this nonsense? I've just spent hours of gameplay getting to this position you're going to give me this dress?

You know ripping a woman apart to create music was one thing but this is a bridge too far. You're one sick son of a mudcrab Sheo.





There are almost certainly mods on PC but when I started playing the game I was borrowing my brother's xbox 360 game just randomly at one point and then just got obsessed with playing it for a while. Didn't get my own PC copy for a while and had moved onto Fallout 3 and some other things by that point I think. Then later played Skyrim. (I think at this point I have Oblivion on ps3, and multiple PC copies lol since someone at uni gave me one I was like I really don't need another copy LOL but they gave me it anyway. Wasn't the game of the year edition which I already had a few copies of either.)




Everybody see me, they like "Damn! He's thick!"
I mean, what did you expect from a Daedric Prince?
Sheo's one pretty son of a bitch
Turn a straight n-gga gay, I'm funky clean
Sheogorath look good in some nice new jeans
I just spent 40k on a daedric ring
[BEEP] be like "lookin' icy, king"


If Grimes is showing up with a sword to the met thingymabob you could wear a suit of armour or something:



What universe have we entered where Grimes is showing up with a sword. Like you're not even doing interesting things with the things that are theoretically allowed because they are maculine coded. It's Grimes who has the fucking sword.

We should totally normalize wearing armor on a daily basis

Also this is a great idea:



Lol I want to walk around like I'm channeling the stained glass demon:



I also really like peacock stuff:

And I found this guy's channel recently and it was pretty cool + nostalgic as I thought people with this vibe had sort of died some time around the early 2010s or whenever (he made one of the suit jackets in this post I think from the second video? Not sure if it was just customised or entirely from scratch I can't remember (yeah customised.) Either way the other guy bought his suit jacket from him.):



I don't know why like half these people are Scottish lol but they coincidentally are.

Also that video. She is giving Titania actually like Sims 2 + 3 Titania cause of the red hair.

Facts about poisonous plants are definitely a plus for me!

Yeah there's a garden somwhere in England that's full of poisonous plants. I haven't been there though I was reading about it as some point.

Yes Alnwick Garden:

The sign on the black iron gate says, "These plants can kill", and it's emblazoned with a skull and crossbones for good measure. The warning isn't a joke -- the plot sealed off behind these black iron bars is the deadliest garden in the world. And it's open to the public.

Why wouldn't the UK do this lol.

The gate is very cool:

Established in 2005, the Poison Garden at the Alnwick Garden in Northumberland, England, is home to more than 100 toxic, intoxicating and narcotic plants. "Before visitors are allowed to enter, they must have a safety briefing," said Dean Smith, a guide at the Poison Garden. Visitors are instructed that they're not allowed to touch, taste or smell anything ? nevertheless, as the website notes, guests have still occasionally fainted from inhaling toxic fumes as they walk through.

One of the dangerous plants cultivated here is monkshood, or wolf's bane, which contains aconitine, a neurotoxin and cardio toxin. But that's not the worst one: "Probably the most poisonous plant we actually have here is ricin [which contains the toxin ricin] better known as the castor bean or castor oil plant," Smith said. "The Guinness Book of World Records considers that to be the world's most poisonous plant."

Surprisingly, a lot of the things that grow in the garden are quite common. "Many of the plants in here do grow wild in the UK, and most of the plants are alarmingly easy to cultivate," Smith said. Even popular home-garden bushes like rhododendrons are accounted for here. Those leaves contain grayanotoxin which will attack a person's nervous system if eaten. "You're not likely to eat the leaves, though, because they taste disgusting," Smith said reassuringly.

And then there's the laburnum tree, the second most poisonous tree in the UK (only the yew tree is more dangerous). Many people have them around their homes because of their beautiful yellow flowers, but they contain a poison called cytisine. "The tree is so poisonous," said Smith, "that if one of the branches was to fall to the floor, lay there for several months and the dog later comes along, picks it up to hold as a stick on a walk, chances are the dog won't finish the walk. It's that poisonous."

Comes up in the video lol.

[Nyctophilia]

The fact that guys are this insecure about being with a trans woman is the reason I'm scared of dating men.

no cameras and an NDA for life. You doing it? Be honest.

[conventionally attractive famous trans woman]

I just find their level of insecurity about being attracted to trans women and general persona incredibly unattractive.


And I guess it's not any one guy's fault - it's the culture - but I just have no patience for it.

Men on here are like "hear me out guys, what if for 24 hours all electronics didn't work, you were in an underground bunker 100 miles deep and everyone who even thought they saw you was killed, would you hit" like bro you'd be lucky to be in her presence shut up😭😭

Absolutely. No one cares that you're deeply ashamed you wouldn't stand a chance anyway.





I need to hear the rest of this mannequin story.

Crazy how most of these hear me outs come from men that don't see trans women as women but as men, like the "I'm not gay but..." when talking about femboys

I don't even really get 'hear me out' with people, maybe if it's someone I'm ideologically opposed to. I mean this is how it's supposed to work it's not even meant to be for 'I'm not gay but'

[Nyctophilia]

The internet is still a mistake. Also before the rest of this post the entire internet is like this:

0/10 because there weren't enough American Psycho references.


Our entire culture is a bit now jreg. Just post-ironic hell. So I'm afraid you can't end the bit.

The bit has been done about 8 times now and is now classified as a byte.

That was good.

So I stumbled on a post by a trans woman saying this:

I want a gf but all the girls think I'm into men, and I want male friends but they all just want to be with me!!!

Does anyone relate bc I'm so tired of being a piece of meat to boys and invisible to girls LOL

She looks very cute esp in those glasses. so I think if she used online dating she'd find someone pretty quickly.


...Though it might help not to post photos in a maid outfit saying 'the boys turned me into their maid' lol. I can't tell which posts on these subreddits are even serious half the time.

You need to seek out a online group for women who are into trans women. Also, it's kinda of an advantage to get to know bisexual woman too. But, it's always a numbers game with our demographic. You'll meet more men than women

Oh lol. There definitely aren't online groups for women who are into trans women as that would be seen as chaser behaviour. Well, maybe if it's t4t or something (with only trans women or transfemmes.) That probably exists.


I still remember the reaction to this lol (though phrasing it as a support group is pretty funny and cringe):





Also it is a bit ironic to have a group like that be 'for afabs.' But I know they're phrasing it like that because lots of them are non-binary or something...


I tried to find the tweet so I could quote some reactions. I saved the image ages ago for some other post I made but I don't think I'll be able to find it now. Anyway I just found this instead which further proves my point ahahahah:

But it's so hard to find them when they don't exactly congregate otherwise.

Honest question from a layperson, what seperates a preference to transfemmes over being a Chaser? Is it like a repressed homophobia thing for cishet males ?

actively going out of your way to specifically seek trans women rather than women as a whole

I disagree. first of all that makes all T4T lesbians chasers. A chaser fetishizes the object of their desire and treats them as an object

You are chasers according to the rules technically yeah.

what app is this???

lex

the sesbian lex crowd's gone too far

Some guy got annoyed lol:

girls are legally allowed to be chasers.
and encouraged by me.

Female chasers = good
male chasers = bad
just means you're a straight man with AGP

AGP doesn't exist and forgive us for finding woman safer than men

It's not male chasers killing trans women, it's male transphobes.

I went to this guy's account lol:

Every time I find out a pretty trans girl has a cis gf, it's like lesbians have committed another USS Liberty on me. Really straining our alliance

Eeehhh but is this really chasing, some people just want a trans partner. Doesn't chasing have to be transphobic??

chasing is specifically wanting a trans partner cause it fuels your fetish 😭😭😭

Believe it or not the responses to this tweet could and have been a lot worse from all sides. No ones told anyone to [redacted] yet.


You know I don't even have a preference for trans women. I'm borderline asexual irl too. I'm just butthurt because I had a crush on a trans woman one time and I don't get romantically attracted to cis women really mostly sexually. Then I obviously don't get romantically attracted to trans women that often either. I just have a lot of hills I want to die on. It's the untreated mental health/probable ADHD obviously.


Contrapoints was complaining about this before but found a cis lesbian girlfriend not long after that so it's probably not that difficult if you're conventionally attractive (because the dating pool is tiny):

I have not been successful as a lesbian. It's a new problem for me. Before I transitioned women would somehow gravitate into my life without my having to think about it very much. In the first years of transition men begun to gravitate instead. I sometimes feel like I sacrificed my sexual orientation for my gender. It?s painful to the point that I've considered detransitioning. But that?s a fantasy solution in the vein of "just try being straight again." I couldn?t do it to my body. It would be easier to die.

Some kind of mental block is inhibiting me. Part of it is that I don't know what I'm doing. With men at least you know what they want, disappointing though it is--the hyperfeminine "fantasy," the "illusion" of womanhood we "create." But what kind of women are attracted to trans women? What do they like about us? Is it easier pre-op or post-op? How much does being passable help? Does it help? No one seems to know!

Trans people online generally neglect practical dating advice in favor of this tragic rage against 'transphobic dating preferences.' Which is as useless as it is off-putting. You can't scold people into wanting you.

So you can't get specific advice the best thing to do is date bisexual women since according to at least one paper I read there's a 50/50 chance they'd be willing to date a trans person. Although this same paper lumped non-binary, [BEEP] and bisexual people together so... Not sure what's up with that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attrac...sgender_people

A 2019 study asked 958 online participants, mostly young adults in Canada and the United States, which gender identities they would be interested in dating. In the sample, 3.3% of heterosexual men, 1.8% of heterosexual women, 11.5% of gay men, 28.8% of lesbian women, and 51.7% of bisexual, queer, and non-binary people (grouped together for analysis) reported they would be interested in dating a transgender person, and the remainder were not interested. Both gay men and lesbian women were much more willing to date a trans person whose gender matched their orientation (i.e. gay men were more willing to date trans men than trans women and lesbian women were more willing to date trans women than trans men).[1][2]

Also why were non-binary people grouped with bisexuals? I've never understood the logic of that study lol.

Found these tweets a few weeks ago or something. I genuinely can't tell what's sarcasm or not anymore...:

idc i love a c1s girl chaser

I'm prolly just ugly but do these ppl even exist

There's so many. but if you get too [BEEP] a lot of them lose interest because most of them like clocky girls. I think you missed your shot

only if you're kinda clocky, got hit in a shitton when I was in early transition, now less so

I'm basically asexual aromantic at this point so this is all something I'm beyond fine with, if anything id love to have a conversation with one bc I truly don't know if they're real or I'm in a Truman show type simulation where the world tries to convince me they're real

My partner it's non binary so not really "c1s girl", but they have the chaser spirit really strong.

AFAB nonbinary are undefeated chasers

C1s women chasers have drastically upped their game in the past two or so years, they used to rank barely above guy chasers but now they are pulling tgirls with ease, the competitive meta is ever evolving, there has truly never been a more challenging time to be a chaser than now

I'm trying my best but no tgirls seem to like me :(

You're very sweet, we're just all poly

fuck. god damnit

yeah its fuckedd, need me a chaser who is poly for realll

simple dynamics of supply and demand, likely tied to the recent increase of collective bargaining brought on by influx of polycules

idk what ima saying i have a fever

😒 lol.

And you can stalk tumblr. Because half the website are chasers but they're young and/or neurodivergent enough to have not noticed or they think they're safe there so you can take notes (you won't like it, obviously.) You know like what's happening here that I've quoted too many times in the past few days lol:

#I've said it before and I'll say it again#he looks like a d*ke that works in a library

Someone told me I looked like him once and this is the only man I want to be compared to as a trans woman.
#geddy lee#rush#prog rock#Why do so many trans gals love him?

Do they lol? This is the first time I've heard that.

Just like twitter didn't like this trans guy's art work I posted about before because it was too masculine (he has the same sexuality I think.) He's claiming not to be attracted to his OC now though. OK. Actually a lot of people also like his OC but some people really hate it and so he gets people yelling at him consistently:

Yes I do, her name is Maria, she's very dear to me, I love her, I've thrown her a birthday party last week actually :D my beautiful, she's very comforting for me, I've grown very attatched to her over the last 2 years, she's been there for me. She has a lot of personal meaning.

okay so you made a little subservient trans girl to yourself for you to play your fantasies on and that should make me believe you're not out to commodify us and fit us into what you believe we should look and be like?

No I created her as any other character and grew very attached to her. She also became my special interest and I don't choose these lol. And I don't believe trans women look like that. Some for example are more curvy, some aren't and that's all okay.

I should start presenting maria lore here but I cringe so much talking about my characters' stories💔

Maria funfact for today

When I created her 2 years ago, she was as an annoying cartoonishly green undead c|s man (of the same name)

I slowly started switching her identity like a year ago, first using he/she for her. Luckily her personality also started to switch at that time

it's a trans man making his own figures around what kind of trans women is non-threatening to him btw (the ones that are plagued with severe immutable masculinity)

The fact that it's a trans man artist is fucked ngl

I'm thinking about pretty girls but when one messages me on a dating app I get so scared I refuse to open it at all💔💔

It's like a trainwreck I uh keep staring. Not on twitter noo. They're going to kill you.





I too am a fedora tipping [BEEP] afab ukulele playing tiktok teen


(actually my brother had a ukulele when we were growing up which he didn't play, and I graffiti'd it with felt tip pens. This was probably in the late 90s or early 2000s. Not because I disliked ukuleles but because ??? I was clearly powered by the animus of future discourse and internet culture to come.)

How do I battle the fetish allegations

You can't win you just have to ignore em and let them give up

You're right
It's just making me... A little insane😔

god forbid a transmasc person to be attracted to trans women lmfao they need to grow tf up

After realizing this man has built a parasocial relationship with his own offensive caricature of a trans woman, I figured maybe this will finally resonate to stop him and people like him commodifying our bodies to their comfort.

baww waww trans man will be sad for being shunned for making non-threatening facsimiles of us and building effigies of us so he has a trans woman in his life who can't speak back to him waaa

If I had a nickel for every time a trans masc made themselves a trans femme girlfriend I would have two nickels.

which isnt much but its weird they dont just slide into my dm's.

What the actual [BEEP] is that

It's that one birthday boy who has a fuckdoll and he calls it his trans girlfriend and also larped about being it on Twitter or something??

Oh my fucking god
Why are so many of them like this?

^tbh I don't know what that is either it just looks like a kangaroo in a t-shirt? I guess some kind of furry thing, but they just wrote under it 'this is a trans woman who is an object.'


This (below) made me lol because I went back to his page:

Anytime I talk about maria or post slightly weird art of her I can feel my assassination getting closer

Certain people would either kill me or die upon entering my room (it's full of maria)

Also the constant use of the word Maria is just making me think of the song:





It's actually very appropriate too:

This was written by Blondie keyboard player Jimmy Destri, who when asked what this song was about replied: "Desire. Teenage desire because I have a teenage daughter and she's pretty beautiful and I watch all these boys gawk at her. I put myself in their shoes thinking about what I used to do with girls back then. I wasn't a very forward guy at all, I was like from afar and I'd go home and write a poem about her - I was really a sad little bastard. It sounds cute but you don't get any attention that way. So 'Maria' is about desire and the whole idea of using the Ave Maria thing is a way of saying she's on a pedestal, she's almost holy. It's not a religious thing at all, I don't believe in religion really."

Actually this song was written by Debbie Harry about Maria from In This Moment because she's psychic (that was my headcannon before I looked up the meaning):





Then this happened because there's discourse every week probably about the art work depicting trans women even when it's based on real people and the trans women are non-binary (not trans women):

Art exists in the context of those works that came before it and no work exists in a vacuum.

It's not that any individual portrayal of trans women with heavily masculinized features is bad, it's that it's often the ONLY way that we are ever depicted.


The exception to this is when our bodies are portrayed in a sexual context, as fetish objects and not people.

Even then half of the depictions will find some way to justify why it's not a trans woman even when it's somebody with a body identical to one (e.g. futa, femboy, etc)

Screaming internally lol. If a trans woman gets bottom surgery is she cis? I guess so. Futa characters in the classic sense (from what I've read,) have both sets of genitals. Some femboys also have vaginas.


Tbf I do think trans women are massively over fetishised/sexualised. And then in spite of that when asked most people in at least one research paper I looked at wouldn't date a trans woman. And I also get that that's annoying. Although if you spend any amount of time on social media I guses I can also understand why someone might want to never date anyone.


Someone else (not the person from before) mentioned one of those images is based on them:

no fucking way the art based off my appearance is still being used for this shit. please just let it go.

But uh actually I wouldn't bark up that tree since tumblr is often trans masc and non-binary as well, and I've heard trans women who are into trans guys and trans masc people (all 4 of them on twitter,) or who are just observant discuss that they usually just turn gay if they go on testosterone or just come out as trans and also that cis women aren't into trans women, only people who later come out as trans and so on.


And whatever is being said here:

autistic cis women are never chasers for long... theyre usually trans men shortly thereafter

Please tell me this is a joke I want a long term autistic cis gf

They exist

(This post is very long already so I'm going to stop quoting because this isn't wikipedia where I have to cite my sources lol.)


Even that doctor had that viewpoint about half his patients...

The tiny, pixie-like lesbian that says that they want to take testosterone almost always inverts and becomes a gay transgender man.

The ones that are built like a linebacker when they show up, identify as a lesbian, but then decide to transition, they almost always remain attracted to women and have never experienced any change in their orientation through the process.

Exactly why that is? I'm still trying to understand it. But it's a pattern that I cannot ignore. It's glaringly obvious.

For years I called it the Helga to Tinkerbell scale As I really didn't have a better way of explaining why I had two different groups of transgender men.

Before transitioning, they basically almost always fell into one of two categories (but obviously there are straight and bisexual outliers)

A tiny, pixie, ADHD lesbian who says that they want to transition. They often have hypermobile joints, autism spectrum disorder, and a multitude of other health issues. They look like a literal elf.

A Helga, a big, thick, stocky, earthy woman with large breasts. They look like they would be a female dwarf in World of Warcraft. (Exaggeration, but that's the category that you would sort them in given the choice)

Type 1 starts on testosterone and typically within 6 months, develops an attraction to men, sometimes, this becomes the dominant or only attraction. They go from being a lesbian to a gay man.

Type 2 starts on testosterone and they just basically become a hornier person. They go from being a lesbian to a straight man.

The accuracy of this phenomenon is greater than 90%. In fact I guarantee you people reading this will be able to identify their friends that fall into these categories.

For many years I reported this, this phenomenon that I saw, but I had no mechanism to explain the why. [...] syndrome now elucidates the mechanism and offers an actual treatment.

I'm never going to get over the fact that he's a doctor. Not like an internet doctor this guy has irl trans patients he treats lol. There are videos of this guy at conferences and whatever. And this is how he writes about people. (He's said he's autistic though so that's part of it.)


It's not even offensive to me because I know what he's talking about it. It's just like...


Is this even reality?


I'm going to be thinking about this for years.


I feel like I've been in some very surreal nightmare since 2012.


I guess it's a meme. Being a man turns you gay.


See this guy knew. That's why he asked why he's gay because he's transistioning:








^ this is not helping with the surreal vibes.


How was this entire interview real? I have a playlist of surreal meme music now lol this is unorinically a great song (I mean he's not good at singing and they're obviously French so English their first language but even still I would say their singing is like 3/10 but aside from that it's a good track lol):





This feel like an are men OK? Moment tbh lol.


I got sidetracked by more surreal twitter discourse while just making this post too lol.


It's funny that some people's gender is just 'gay' though lol.


"Well I look more like a man now and I guess I have to still be gay."


I don't know how it works lol. I dont think this applies to chasers or bisexuals anyway. I'm just shitposting mostly. But this has been talked about a lot.


I don't think that's how my gender works 100% it's way more complicated... Thinking about that is headache inducing anyway.


It's also really weird for people who aren't experiencing the same thing lol. They don't get it at all. Which I get because it sounds insane.


Like I could say I feel more sapphic with women and more gay with men (and a lot of people do say that,) but that varies and would also be an oversimplification and incorrect in some ways in my case.


I don't know if I would necessarily want to date a straight woman (if I could, obviously I can't anyway lol,) and this goes for trans women too unless their preference is like trans masc people (most of those trans women are bisexual.) On top of that most cis women are going to see me as a cis woman anyway and they aren't aware of like 'trans masc' psychology (for lack of a better way of putting it. Some trans guys are identical to cis straight guys more or less psychologically - I am not talking about those guys.)


"Well you're going to call me a monster anyway so can we get that part out of the way?"


Something like that.


This is what I mean lol. I'm not like this guy and not talking about this guy:





Since about 2010 there's been an explosion of crimes in the UK that fall into this 'gender fraud' classification with a cis women (?) who has sex with another cis women with a strap on without them knowing and then go to prison and get put on the sex offender's registry. Some of these are particuarly insane like one woman who asked another woman who was actually her friend irl to wear a blindfold around her which she agreed to, and then they had sex 10 times before she noticed anything. It requires some suspension of disbelief but according to text messages she really didn't know. So that was really weird.


In a lot (but not all,) of these cases they're not trans men actually they're cis women who are reasonably feminine in their expression outside of this too. I believe their feminine presentation and lack of trans identity is relevant to the severity of how it's seen so I'm bringing it up. They start doing this as teenagers.


There was also this case more recently:


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ult-by-kissing

Bilham said she first encountered her victim when she was 14 when they met through a mutual acquaintance, hanging around as a group outside McDonald's in Chester for half an hour.

She was approximately 15 or 16 when she first posed as "George" online, but 19 when the alleged sexual activity took place.

and this stood out to me the person just said that they're not trans and that they're straight (not attracted to women) they have 'no idea why they did this':

The complainant texted her that evening, asking: "All right little boy? Or girl [laughing emoji]."

She then asked: "Answer this with yes or no: are you a girl? And if you are a girl, why the [BEEP] have you lied all this time?"

Bilham insisted she was a boy - "I ain't lied to you" - and would prove it. She could not show her passport, she said, because she had sent it off to be renewed. Instead, she sent a series of topless selfies, which she admitted to the jury were actually of a blond boy from her school.

She told the court she assumed from that point the game was up, but continued to pretend to be George after the crash. "I was just trying to protect myself because I got myself caught up in the web of lies," she said. She could not explain why she had done it, insisting she was not transgender and considered herself straight.

We don't need LGBT sex education in schools though. /s


We can just let the kids figure everything out themselves. This is also something that's not a very obvious law. I don't think most people probably realised it was even illegal until recently.


Lol "Let kids be kids until they have sex with the other kids and go to prison for not revealing their sex."

It was ultimately the girl's mother who saw Bilham for who she really was. Not nearly as shortsighted as her daughter, she met Bilham and thought she looked distinctly feminine, and said as much. That night, the girl did some online sleuthing, which eventually led her to Georgia Bilham's Facebook profile.

She confronted Bilham by text, and she immediately confessed. "I never meant to let it get that far," wrote Bilham. "I hate myself for it & what I've done, I wanted to end it I just didn't know how, I know I should have & I know I shouldn't have let it get this far & I'm so sorry."

The girl also contacted Bilham's dad, Peter, telling him: "She's a fantasist who needs serious help."

She added: "I'll be honest I did fall for this person I thought he was; I'm a young girl who thought she had met a lad who wanted to be with her but I now know everything was a sick lie."

Ultimately, the jury decided that they could not be sure beyond all reasonable doubt that the complainant did not know Bilham was really a girl for each of their sexual encounters ---apart from that first kiss. Her conviction will serve as a warning to anyone tempted to pretend to be someone they are not.

Most of the time it's legal though so I don't see how. This is the only form of lying anyone cares about.

So in the end in this particular case the jury couldn't really prove that the victim didn't know about their sex after they confronted them about their suspicions before. It does seem very stupid not to confirm it in real life. You would think someone would do that. So she was only convicted of kissing her while she assumed she was a guy. She had poor vision and she asked her to take her glasses off. I have been kissed without my consent before at a party by a guy (in front of other people too,) which I did not enjoy but it didn't occur to me that I could make him go to prison for that tbh. Probably wouldn't have been able to either, because it doesn't have the gender aspect.


Here's some discussion about this people were having:

And I don't understand why did this young lady pretended to be a guy to get girls. She is beautiful, she could get a ton of girls the normal way. Maybe it wasn't just having a sex with girls, maybe there were some other issues she has

this girl has a duping fetish, she's attracted most of all to the hunt. This hunting mentality is more common among men, which is why many have been rapists and harassers despite being handsome.

This is very depressing lol but... You can tell that cis women on social media usually don't see trans masc people as being men because they don't see them as being a threat or see an issue with them being in their spaces. This starts to break down a bit with cis bisexual women like in this video I posted before where they're doing the 'bear vs man' thing again but with cis bisexual women instead:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abRN2OocgMc


Whereas trans women can be extremely threatened by trans masc attraction to them and often talk about trans masc or non-binary people the way cis women do about cis men.

They also don't like non-binary people like me because either we're seen as attention seeking women or predators dressed up as women. And on twitter many trans women hold both views simultaneously at different points. Also just disliking the way people express attraction or how they're attracted and assuming people are just terfs. It's also, once again, hard to know what is people being sarcastic and not. I think sometimes it's both. Theyfab means afab non-binary.


Again what I said before.

(This post is very long already so I'm going to stop quoting because this isn't wikipedia where I have to cite my sources lol.)

I've spent a lot of time reading people's social media posts yes. It's also somewhat the same thing with amab non-binary people and sometimes other groups. They're often not trusted either by transfemme people, and are once again seen to be cis men trying to chase trans women and I think amab non-binary people are stereotyped as being rapists and predators to an even greater degree than afab non-binary people.


I found this subreddit recently with confusing gender rules as to who is allowed to post and one person was doing that 'smol bean' thing trans women and amab non-binary people complain about and I'd never seen anyone do this before honestly like on purpose (since a lot of trans masc people are feminine/neotenic without trying,) but I was like holy [BEEP] yeah that is cringe.


I guess I'll just copy and paste the whole thing and my thoughts before.. But the quote is a bit further down. I just feel like it gets really confusing when you're non-binary:

This subreddit is for WOMEN & FEMMES ONLY (incl. trans women). Men are not allowed to comment or post. As this is a femme space, our policy includes transmascs and non-binary people who (a) mostly present masc and/or (b) mostly show affinity with masc oriented comment, including in their Reddit profiles and comment histories, We understand the limitations of the gender binary as it relates to non-binary identities, but this is intended to be a space for femmes across the cis/trans spectrum.

Honestly that seems like a dumb way of doing things.

I just clicked this sub from someone's post history because I was curious, def wasn't planning on joining but still.

It's really unclear if by masc they just mean 'male identified' these aren't the same thing.

Also is it a space for women or is it a space for femmes? Because that's not the same thing either.

I would say I present androgynously irl not femme or masc but I don't really think presentation should matter if you're a space for women. Who knows what they'd think about my post history (I've commented on Porcupine Tree and Rush subreddits in the top so many posts so clearly I'm a cis guy my dad's age statistically lmfao. I've also commented on some LGBT+ stuff too but I do say I'm a non-binary guy in one post even though I also say I'm bigender in a few.)

I'm not going to/don't identify as 'fem' unless it's in comparison to only men maybe. Even then I don't know it would be androgynous leaning fem.

I don't want to sit here and calculate that to check if I can post on a subreddit either. :')

Thank god most spaces are gender neutral I guess.

Also oh my god this post on that sub:

i'm non-binary, got girl junk or whatever, i present more masc irl but im rlly into being feminised especially by girls,,,, every sub has too many scary men who don't know how to hold a conversation so can i stay? please 🥺 if not it's totally fine i will leave you girls to your space :)

You really shouldn't have to specify that if trans women are allowed. You're also doing the 'smol bean' thing to make yourself seem safe that I see transfemme and amab non-binary people complain about a lot and it is cringe.

Nah you're good. Feel free to stick around :3 if a butch trans like me can stay. I don't see why you can't :3

of course!! this sub is welcoming to pretty much everyone but cis men

No it isn't lol. But if so, apparently they don't police their own rules.

uh, mod team, I'm not sure if I count as a woman

I'm amab and genderfluid/bigender, so i fit the rules: femme-only space. I am a woman.

but I also don't, since no men allowed means I'm not allowed, since I am a man.

so am I welcome or should I leave?

None of the mods answered this.

'I have female genitals and men are scary uwu 👉👈'


Lol.


This is the subreddit btw:

We understand that it is important to have a femme only space for gooning

Yes I know what is my life.


"So this is the sub you wanted to be able to post on?"





Omg Kelly did perform this song live too (I like it more than shoes which is overrated):





"Fuck you with something hard and sandpapery."


I was worried that line wasn't going to be in it because some of the lyrics were changed here but it was.


That's one of my favourite lines after the Heathers quote "fuck my gently with a chainsaw"


This is so iconic.


Plz come to the UK one day.

I feel like life is very tragic but also amusing if you deviate from any particular norm (in different ways but yeah.)


Speaking of tops (this is completely unrelated):





Is that top Calcifer from Howl's Moving Castle?

Thank you! Howls moving castle is one of my favorite movies haha. I have calcifer tattooed on my arm too :).

I was right.


[insert borrow that top song.]


Lol.

[Nyctophilia]

My antivirus keeps telling me I have 'xx performance issues' and that feels like a microaggression.

Oh god that Nick Land IQ tweet about lesbian trans women's IQ has surfaced again and a bunch of people (morons) are talking about it... Since JD Vance decided to talk about AGP on Joe Rogan's podcast.

Yeah, that was a wild thread, Titanic, Devil Wears Prada, The Matrix, and my favourite post out of the entire thing:
"I was feeling overwhelmed by their combined IQ" is a wild statement

^ that has nothing to do with Nick Land's tweet btw that was talking about some other thread by someone else I'm not quoting here that was also very dumb. Along with many other tweets I found by that guy.


The really dumb thing about it is that it's always being used to explain lesbian trans women's 'disproportionate influence and power' and yet trans men are one of the most invisible minority groups - but trans men attracted to men have a slightly higher average IQ than trans women attracted to women in that same research paper...





I have responded to a bunch of people (I don't often bother these days) because it really does feel like this:





"Why bother?" Basically. Talking to myself is exactly the same.


But it's just that annoying that I did but this tweet below was from 2023 though so there's no point given how twitter works (and these stupid men actually have influence too):

Why are transwomen so much more prominent than transmen? Can you name a famous trans man?

Late onset autogynephilic M to Fs tend to have very high IQs. One study found an average in the 120s.

I know you've read that f*cking study (because there's only one afaik showing that.) So I know you know that trans men attracted to men in the study had the highest group mean IQ score. And trans men attracted to women also had a higher IQ than trans women attracted to men.


Your narrative is derailed by the very study you keep citing.


It's also as I said just one study tbh. There are other studies showing the opposite supposedly. Someone posted a screenshot in respose to one of these tweets suggesting trans people had an average IQ of 92, but I can't find it by googling and now I've lost the screenshot as well cause I was clicking around.


Just ended up finding this which in this study suggests it mostly has to do with sexuality and that non-binary people being higher was mediated by 'rare sexual orientations':


https://www.pjp.psychreg.org/wp-cont...57-64-1105.pdf

Some studies have indicated that there may be intelligence differences between different sexual orientations or gender identifications. We investigated whether intelligence was predicted by sexual orientation and gender identity in a large sample of dating site users from OKCupid (N = ~36,866). In our regression model, we found that homosexuals were slightly below heterosexuals in intelligence, β = -0.07 (corrected -0.09), while bisexuals were slightly higher, β = 0.17 (cor. 0.22), and people with less common orientations were much higher, β = 0.73 (cor. 0.93). There was no interaction between orientation and gender. Furthermore, women obtained lower scores than men, β = -0.14 (cor. -0.18, - 2.67 IQ), and individuals who adopted non-binary gender identity had about average intelligence, β = 0.03 (cor. 0.03). It was found that non-binary gender identity predicts substantially higher intelligence when analysed alone, but this was mediated by its statistical association with rare sexual orientations. Results were discussed in the light of a development of Kanazawa?s Savanna-IQ Interaction hypothesis and the Cultural Mediation hypothesis.

^ Also it looks like Edward Dutton worked on that paper so I'm also going to take that with a grain of salt unless it's replicated elsewhere. I can't go into an essay on him again.


You can find other studies suggesting homosexual people have a higher IQ than heterosexuals too but the above study didn't find that. So that's all over the place too.


Hypothetically any non-conforming group might have a higher rate of genetic mutation which can also cause above or below average intelligence since it's partly genetic. You'll probably find studies showing poly people have lower than average or higher than average IQ's too.


It seems sex and gender sort of go out the window when you consider certain traits. So using that as an explanation for your fearmongering about trans women like they're simply equivalent to cis men is very dumb.


Just like how there's oh god this study on the prison population in the UK (I looked through it once but I don't have a link atm,) which transphobes use to point out how the rate of violent crime committed by trans women is equivalent to cis men, what they don't point out is once again the same was true for trans men.


They were born with vaginas and XX chromosomes yet somehow aren't magical fairy dust angels.

Autogynephiles are among the most [not going to list all their adjectives lol. They think they're the biggest villains ever]

They're also a majority of everything horrific about "trans people" and everything you think of when reading or hearing that

No they really aren't. I spent like 3 years talking to a bunch of people who self identified as AGP (cis and trans,) with varying levels of intelligence - but they were mostly clearly intelligent tbh. On average they're just typically nerdy and honestly fairly masochistic sexually ironically. Society likes to call everyone a sadistic psychopath these days anyway.


I can think of one person I've come across who is like a narcissist with probable AGP. A cis man. His narcissism was just obvious to me reading his website.


He talks exactly like what's her name... Brooklyn 99. This is the experience of reading this website:

This is why someone like Loki would be a nightmare irl lol.


I mean when reading his website it's like some combination of Loki, Patrick Bateman and Gina Linetti from Brooklyn 99 and I do feel a bit like Rosa and those therapists:

His seeming desire to feminise himself aesthetically and push in that direction is honestly just cute.


I mean I guess most people disagree because they have bad taste.

The point is that AGPs of both sorts (if your distinction is relevant) are not a newly minted oppressed victim class to be privileged and coddled. Indeed they are [once again the long list of fearmongering adjectives lol] to be repressed and controlled, much as any other [redacted]

You definitely seem like the good guys.


Meanwhile this is pop music now lol. This is US culture in general:





It's all very like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4_9TFeMfJE


Mm, she the devil
She a bad lil' bitch, she a rebel (walk on by)
She put her foot to the pedal
It'll take a whole lot for me to settle (walk on by)
Mm, she the devil
She a bad lil' bitch, she a rebel (walk on by)
She put her foot to the pedal
It'll take a whole lot for me (yeah) to settle (walk on by)


So I do think you are in general holding trans women to higher standards when it comes to being narcissistic and disagreeable.


Elon: I will build a harem, while not telling any of my female partners about this.


Rightoids: Yay. What a hero. He's doing stuff with rocket ships.


*then literally vote for Trump a blatant malignant narcissist.*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH4Y1ZUUx2g


Break up with your girlfriend (Girlfriend)
Yeah, yeah, 'cause I'm bored
You could hit it in the mornin' (Mornin')
Yeah, yeah, like it's yours
I know it ain't right
But I don't care (Care)
Break up with your girlfriend (Girlfriend)
Yeah, yeah, 'cause I'm bored


My understanding of how Ariana conducts her personal relationships is that (much as with a ton of famous people,) she's not a particuarly ethical person. But I won't write out a biography. This quote I came across before did amuse me though:

Some referenced Ariana's song "7 Rings," which includes the lyrics: "I see it, I like it, I want it, I got it." One tweeted: "'I see it, I like it, I want it, I got it' SHE'S BEEN TELLING US THIS. Ariana will come for your mid white man."

mid white man lol.






OK tbf conservatives give Taylor and Megan constant [BEEP] lol.


But anyway perhaps they see this point as people are in the process of doing the same thing with bisexual women now too.


But then, I say this like any of it is new. It's not really. Most of what they say about lesbian trans women now is just recycled homophobia that previously targeted cis lesbian women in the 90s and such.

And they've convinced liberal women to do their bidding. Genius move.

Oh well if liberal women aren't already classified as psychopaths (I think they are, Jordan Peterson seemed to want to argue this,) they will be within 10 years.


Pretty soon only conservative heterosexual hyperfeminine angel women (tm) will be OK. Just like for most of history lol.


I know I was probably supposed to have died 3 years ago of tuberculosis like Emily Bronte, but I was vaccinated so I can't. I'm sure someone will tell me that's why I'm non-binary too. The vaccines. (Actually apparently the vaccine becomes less reliable with age. I was part of the last cohort to have it before they scrapped it in the UK and decided it was unecessary. 'I got this vaccine which apparently isn't useful and all I got is this scar' cause it scars your arm lol.)


To be clear I'm really happy to be alive in spite of everything lol. I basically never feel otherwise and often wish I could live longer than the average Human lifespan because I'm an optimist and there are also certain technological innovations that I believe will happen and I want to see.


Who isn't an evil genius in 2024?





Ayy, b-tch, I'm a problem nobody solvin'


More to the point 'AGP' isn't even that rare. Here's Billie Eilish a bisexual woman talking about this in the most literal sense possible in Rolling Stone magazine (and it doesn't tend to function like this for most people but still this is pretty clear.) Honestly it's just pathetic that this is one of the most controversial sexual fetishes now:

literally the only difference between what terfs call 'agp troons' and c1s women lesbians is puberty blockers and some socially dispensed cognitive dissonance.

.
@billieeilish tells Rolling Stone she likes to masturbate in front of a mirror.

"Partly because it's hot, but it also makes me have such a raw, deep connection to myself and my body, and have a love for my body that I have not really ever had."

She's bisexual not a lesbian though. Which is important.

look at the replies, they're hating on cis girls for agp now. sad world
Scolds: "If you don't want to be accused of queerbaiting, be [BEEP]! Show sexuality for a woman!"
Scolds when she does that:

Something kind of funny happened in some of the comments though some people were just done basically lol:

Say you're a narcissist without saying you're a narcissist

It's called being a f@g. All us f@gs do it.

Then after that I read this exchange:

No one wants to hear a chick talk about her sexuality. No one.

I mean I do actually so get out of the way.

I prefer the days when women were more discreet about their sexuality.

I don't. I remember when a bunch of teen girls denied masturbating when the topic came up as though it was some incredibly weird thing to do. And that was in the 2000s.

Is it ok for men to talk about their masturbation & sexuality? That's what I'm trying to understand.

Of course not. Don't be obtuse. Is it worse when women do it? Yes. Because I'm not a stupid feminist.

Apparently you wish for women to be psychologically castrated and you never want to have sex. Many such cases.

And because I'm not a feminist, I believe society needs women to bring a certain grace and charity to soften male aggression. And that doesn't include publicly talking about fingering their clits.

Your feminisation is something some women get off to but I thought you didn't want them to talk about that.

Oh nevermind lmfao he's homosexual it makes perfect sense now of course he's not into the idea of any of that:

Gen X, dog lover, book lover, homosexual, Western chauvinist, unaffiliated, sinner, grateful to God. Individuals, not groups. I like polls (see Highlights).

Many such cases.

^ I found this exchange between the cis gay guy and whoever the other person was after reading that paper I mentioned recently about bisexual women and dark triad scores - which was interesting timing as it mentions that homosexual men are on average more sexually inhibited and bisexual women less so (this actually goes against a common stereotype but the common stereotype might be driven by mostly homosexual bisexual men identifying as homosexual instead of bisexual and other people labelling them gay too):

Bisexual women exhibit personality traits and sexual behaviors more similar to those of heterosexual males than heterosexual women, including greater openness to casual sex and more pronounced dark personality traits. These are less evident or absent in homosexual individuals.

This reddit comment cracked me up so I'm including it:

That title really reads like being bi turns women into awful people. You know, like men.

Yes that is how society functions. Thank you for noticing.


They also included 'mostly heterosexual' women since a lot of women won't use the label bisexual. Which cracked me up too tbh (not the only study I've seen doing this recently. Though some find differences between bisexual and 'mostly heterosexual' women so they're not technically entirely the same group depending on what you're studying.)

When examining sexual orientation differences, the researchers found notable patterns, particularly among females. Mostly heterosexual and bisexual females demonstrated elevated levels of sociosexuality and sexual excitation compared to their exclusively heterosexual counterparts. They also scored higher in psychopathy.


"There are now several replications showing that mostly heterosexual women are higher in trait psychopathy than other sexual orientation groups," Semenyna noted. "Psychopathy in this context just means being less concerned with other people's feelings, social expectations, and having lower impulse control. Mostly heterosexual women score more like heterosexual men on this trait, but it's not clear why. It could just be that these women are less concerned about what others think of them, and less constrained by social mores that would view same-sex attraction or behavior negatively."

interestingly, exclusively homosexual females did not exhibit the same increases in sociosexuality and sexual excitation, indicating that mostly heterosexual and bisexual females form distinct groups.

Among males, the findings were somewhat different. Mostly heterosexual males showed higher levels of sexual excitation compared to exclusively heterosexual males. However, there were no significant differences in sociosexuality or Dark Triad traits between homosexual and heterosexual males.

Homosexual males did exhibit higher levels of sexual inhibition, aligning more closely with female-typical patterns. This indicates that while mostly heterosexual and bisexual males may be more sexually excitable, exclusively homosexual males show increased caution and inhibition in sexual contexts.

It's also not their problem transparently. They've lumped a bunch of personality traits to a sexual preference. A bit like how there's a 'bisexual personality type' in research really. Even when you don't call yourself bisexual.


God save us from the 'mostly heterosexual women.'


My approach to arguing about this is different to most because as I said in another recent post where I brought up the above study. This will be how we classify psychopathy in 2070 or so (if we even have to wait that long):





God and Satan just need to kiss already.


I'm tired of the w̶̨̟̬̬̠̤̖̱̣̝̹̟̬̻̓͊͋͝ḛ̷̡̩̟̘̝̟͖̱͈͛̌̿t̷̟̼͇̤̼̳̋̏̅e ̷̣̈́ ͔͓̫̖͈̜̟͍͚w̴̪̐̈͋̑̊̋̀̓̚

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bndL7wwAj0U


Everything has to be divided into two. It would be easier if that was a solution lol. Unfortunately it just seems to be how the Human brain works.


My favourite pop diva is actually Sylvanas:





The Forsaken were stans who cancelled her after she went a bit too #morallygrey


I'm not keeping up with the storyline. I stopped playing WoW in 2013(?) and have kept up with some stuff since then but not for a few years now. I think the writers hate The Horde and (if we're in a simulation,) they also hate liberals lol.

[DanielBlueSky]

Glad the site is back

[Nyctophilia]

Obviously some white women are going to be natural leftists, the same kind of rejects and freaks as white men that become leftists. What's galling are the ones who were supposed to be normal white girls but who had their empathy module hacked by the left and turned on us.

Translation: "I hate it when women I find attractive don't agree with me."

Weight gain and hormonal BC are huge issues.

Agreed I think those are the primary causes of a lot of the insanity. They flip the natural order of things, making women more aggressive and men more submissive (men impacted by hormonal BC too because it leeches into the water supply).

Probably not. I've said this a billion times at this point but I'm not on birth control and I'm more 'like that' than most.


I think we need more hormones in the water supply because there's only one fanfic where Cathy is having strap on sex with Heathcliff (it's also unsurprisingly from some Japanese video game the characters appear in lol, not the book.)


Of course I can't quote the really hot parts (I mean it's also not amazing writing lol but you know):

Are you happy that I'm turning you into such a mess?" Catherine is so cruel. No matter how much she tells Heathcliff that she loves him, cares for him. She's always so so mean to him in bed. As shameful as it is, Heathcliff loves every second of it.

"Heathcliff who knew you could be such a needy boy. Look at how pathetic you've become under my fingertips, such a good boy. You're all mine." Catherine has always been so possessive, it has always turned Heathcliff on.

I mean it's still an improvement since there used to be basically no strap on fanfics but I stumble on them now and then since the late 2010s. Perhaps at least one fic in 70% of fandoms I look up. Of course slash has always been very popular for the same reason but it's cool to see this development.


I saw a tweet about some manga like that recently that someone was jokingly calling 'straight yaoi' lol.

my female friend talked about watching porn so casually like what has happened to shame ?? do we need to hear that??

Probably yeah:

You know Taylor Swift went pretty far with the catlady thing but the fujo thing goes harder.

Together I really do believe. We can bring back long hair.

I won't rest until a cute guy with long hair and glasses knocks on my door to misdeliver me someone else's pizza.

^ still hasn't happened.


And that leads me to believe that cute guys with long hair and glasses aren't misdelivering pizzas to many other houses (and then maybe making out with the owners and being satisfied with just that like a bicurious girl at a bar,) either.


And this is the biggest problem of our time.

my friend also told me that, and even that she m*sturbates casually like that😐
i feel like women don't respect other women's boundaries, they think just because we are women as well it's ok to be so explicit.

I would have liked to have met more people like that since it's fun to talk about.

we were eating w her roommate and talking ab a tiktok influencer who also does p*rn and he said he found that out bc the thumbnail of the video was his face and then my friend goes "i don't look at the thumbnail personally when i'm searching vids"

So you're shaming your female friend and not the guy who brought the topic of conversation up? Do you have a crush on him?

it sucks how so many girls won't accept to be ur friends if you share different values like for example on abortion or progressivism in general. i feel like men care less when they choose to be friends with someone

Have you tried not slutshaming your friends?


She's complaining about some female singer being too sexual as well... Why are there so many people doing this on twitter all the time.

i love how singers think they're being transgressive and all doing this like no oversexualization is nothing new you're just boring and not a good model for little girls

Well it's not boring if you're the target audience I suppose.

[BEEP] you're not mother theresa


i followed you originally because i thought you're a badass woman that stands for what womanhood is in front of the crazy transgenders. turns out you're just a conservative puritan.

"I follow you for bigotry not slutshaming" lol:


Well most transphobes are and most female transphobes in particular I would say. There's a strong connection between disliking sexual expression, porn and trans women. Some of it relates to what he's talking about here (though I'd argue a bunch of the more conservative women aren't OK with boys being gay either):

These Gorgons don't care about boys! They'd eradicate boys, or turn them gay -- and note: the gynocracy insists it's all right for a boy to grow up to be a 'gay man' but never a girl. It's a territorial thing. [...]

Boys-become-girls take power away from women, by being able to provide sex to men. So access to them must be closed off. The same applies to prostitutes; the harridans don't care a fiddle for the well-being of the women involved, they just want them to stop selling sex and so rupturing the closed market. If men can just buy sex, women's power over them evaporates. Western harpies do their utmost to suppress all free sex markets, but they are everywhere.

[...]

imagine having a wall in your room worshipping random korean men when you could worship GOD?.

Come on now.


Do you not experience any sexual attraction? Is that what this is?

+ the fact that kpop artists are called "idols" by their fans says a lot

Yeah, I think if you find someone very attractive it usually becomes at least a little transcendental. And perhaps vice versa.

if you don't look a little bit like a girl as a man you are not attractive..!

I almost thought we were about to agree on something but alas:

NO. long hair on men is disgusting

You've gone way too far now. As I say this is against my religion.

me faking my political ideology to get with the cute leftist guy (i don't rly care about politics i just love God)

😬

it's a joke bruh

This reply was at the idea of there being such a thing as a "cute leftist guy," considering they're very feminine, as far as I can tell. It wasn't a comment about politics, since you just said you don't care about them.

well i prefer men who look feminine not too much but who have soft features and a lot work out actually

I kind of love how men keep repeating this and even conservative women aren't agreeing lol. I mean a lot do though but I can tell this one is like 5-10 years away from being a lesbian separatist with a butch girlfriend or something tbh.

nah not at all i hate 90% of men tho ! hope this helps

Whereas, even in the most patriarchal situation, straight women are ultimately attracted to men, and sexually aroused by male bodies. Or are they? Gay men certainly are, and gay women are just rhapsodic about women, but a lot of straight women are just kind of "meh" about male bodies and men in general. What is that about? 🧐 I just... I just do not understand straight women. I don't think I ever will. And that's okay. I'm just gonna accept my bewilderment, and move on with my lesbian life.

*t̷̨̤̜̣̩̫͎̼̻͈̩̩̦̄̎͗̏̚5̸̺̄̈́͌͌̽4̷̗̖͌̍̈́̅͝3̴̈́̀͂̈͊̃̏͠ ͐̀̓ ̥̺̰͓̲̀̀͌ not lesbian.

what does that bring us exactly? what did that bring us in the last 50 years? only fans? more strip clubs? the legalization of prostitution? is that what dignity should mean to women? why do young boys see men build space ships and little girls watch women sing about sex in skampy outfits?

i, as a man, express myself sexually. i think women who wish that are entitled to express themselves sexually without being scrutinized and scolded.

Can you not imagine being sexual and building space ships could coexist? And she's a singer so building space ships was never on the table.

this isn't about self-expression, it's about commodifying the female body for money. there is nothing unique about what she's doing. sex doesn't exist in a vacuum, the sexualization of women is a big part of our oppression, and this is visible especially in the music industry.

Mmhmm...

Could never tolerate the vocals. Sorry.

I love them.


Remember the leg post? I mean no because I didn't post that insanity before lol (this was also the origin of t̷̨̤̜̣̩̫͎̼̻͈̩̩̦̄̎͗̏̚5̸̺̄̈́͌͌̽4̷̗̖͌̍̈́̅͝3̴̈́̀͂̈͊̃̏͠ ͐̀̓ ̥̺̰͓̲̀̀͌ sexuality):

We need to bring back these jeans that make guy's legs look longer:



You have all those legs and for what? (This probably isn't the best example in this video but I still noticed.)

Females on average have longer torso and shorter leg length than males. On the other hand, Males on average have a longer leg length and shorter torso. They are on average taller than females too.

Why do I feel like people are accentuating the opposite?

I mean women should continue maybe.

I've always heard that women tend to have a greater leg length to torso length ration than men, and I think that my anecdotal observations of pedestrians of both sexes tend to confirm that.

However, now I read that is not the case:

If they are the same height, she's a lot "leggier" than he is. It looks as though women really do have long legs and short upper bodies for their height. (We'll see later this isn't the case.)

(...)

This observation is purely anecdotal, though. There are studies which measure the lengths of men's and women's legs, arms, upper bodies, and so on. These measurements show that women have shorter legs and longer torsos than men as a proportion of their heights.

So, at least, says a bicycle designer. And I suppose bicycle designers should know anatomy.

I have a cognitive dissonance here, since again, my eyes watching pedestrians tell me otherwise.

So - what is the truth?

I think men look like they have shorter legs because they tend to wear pants that are less form fitting with a lower hanging crotch area for obvious reasons. So this gives the illusion of a longer torso and shorter legs. Women also tend to wear clothes that accentuate the length of the legs to make the legs look longer, like high waisted pants, etc.

Like in the video I think?

Can't believe you've been holding out on me.

I didn't even know men had legs before. Well except when IAMX had legs while wearing tights and some skinny jeans.

We seem to have a preference for proportionally longer legs (see comment here for a good summary around that study). So when you are observing "pedestrians" they have probably tended to dress and comport themselves to skew your perception of their leg lengths. Perhaps in your cultural environment females have a greater capacity and/or motivation to alter that perception than do men.

Look at this:
http://www.femininebeauty.info/f/leg.length.polish.pdf

It has been shown that height is one of the morphological traits that influence a person's attractiveness. To date, few studies have
addressed the relationship between different components of height and physical attractiveness. Here, we study how leg length influences attractiveness in men and women. Stimuli consisted of seven different pictures of a man and seven pictures of a woman in which the ratio between leg length and height was varied from the average phenotype by elongating and shortening the legs. One hundred men and 118 women were asked to assess the attractiveness of the silhouettes using a seven-point scale. We found that male and female pictures with shorter than average legs were perceived as less attractive by both sexes. Although longer legs appeared to be more attractive, this was true only for the slight (5%) leg length increase; excessively long legs decreased body attractiveness for both sexes. Because leg length conveys biological quality, we hypothesize that such preferences reflect the workings of evolved mate-selection mechanisms. Short and/or excessively long legs might indicate maladaptive biological conditions such as genetic diseases, health problems, or weak immune responses to adverse environmental factors acting during childhood and adolescence.

I put in so much effort to find you guys hot instead of being a lesbian and you're not even trying to be a 1970s rockstar.

(I need a gender neutral term really gynephilic is too clinical for when I want to be casual and I don't think straight fits well and lesbian doesn't either I put so much effort in to not be t̷̨̤̜̣̩̫͎̼̻͈̩̩̦̄̎͗̏̚5̸̺̄̈́͌͌̽4̷̗̖͌̍̈́̅͝3̴̈́̀͂̈͊̃̏͠ ͐̀̓ ̥̺̰͓̲̀̀͌ there we go.)

Depends. Most women do have longer legs than men in general.

No lol. They don't have longer legs. They're so good at being sneaky though.

Sneaky Charlie. Sneaky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29xJRc329eI

Guys when asked to wear more attractive jeans:

Charlie: yeah there's no way I can do that with my legs

Not with that attitude.

I've been watching Charlie the unicorn videos again randomly for the first time probably since early 2010s.

I'm a male and long legs don't look the best on men imo. Maybe I'm beating myself up over nothing but it generally does get me down

No they look more attractive. It's not even just me this time as it always is. I found a study!

I'm not weird everyone else is! They're in denial about legs!

I just don't see how androphilia is supposed to work under these conditions.

There's a person out there with your exact fetish.

Yes, perhaps everyone.

Men really do need to become more gay.

Omg I just found a full version of this which focusses on the crop top more. !!!











Lol (I know Chris did this,) he made it the thumbnail of the video:











^ they're still making music I'm not listening to but that was the peak of their career. And also one of the new videos I just watched has a bunch of blood and stuff in lol.

I don?t understand why this band gets so much hate. They?re really talented and despite their look their message is usually positive.

The answer is always one or both of these:


1. popular with teen girls

2. hot twink


And possibly the most blatant attempt at that I've ever seen just like male t.A.T.u. basically (RIP to Shota who actually died on stage in Poland):





Same thing you only assign agency to one sex.


This isn't a list of guys I find very attractive btw, some of them I do. These are just guys who are blatantly sexualised/sexualising themselves/objectified etc. They all have a body type I like I guess lol. Also could post tons more obviously.


The pop music industry and especially kpop industry are messed up in terms of working conditions and contracts. It is ruthlessly capitalistic. This is a music video that is just an advert for beer lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqiMCp9zrI


The sexualisation aspect is not really the problem and people also tend to ignore 'role models' that don't fit their personality type anyway.

but men and women are very very different, our socialization is different and gender dynamics are extremely different as well. sexual oppression for women is a thing, women are not men either we don't have the same attitude towards sex. the fact that u refuse to acknowledge this is sad.

Your problem actually seems to be that a lot of women don't share your attitude and are willing to sexualise themselves for money.


Also why are you not building rockets? Oh dear:

i don't wanna work. i either wanna be a housewife or have a fun job like being a writer, something in entertainment, modelling, but everything else sounds so boring and not worth it.

who are you to decide for all women what they want? never did i say to pimp out all the women. i said that i think we should allow grown women to express their sexuality as much as we let men, instead of criticizing and panning them.

She keeps trying to tell women how to feel too lol.

both men and women shouldn't be portraying themselves in such a manner, both for their own dignity and for the protection of those around them

Nah it's great. It's a shame there are less male musicians doing it these days. Or I notice less.

[Nyctophilia]

I'm prob not going to watch this video but the comments she's screenshotted almost make me want to:

Today on strange. I went so far down this boyhole I am legally forbidden from disclosing some of what I learned

boy.... hole, you say? 😳

Lol.

Small detail but I really appreciated how you defined the terms "4chan freak" and "tumblr freak" as not necessarily related to actually using either website but more of a general vibe. Also the one good thing this video gave me is the quote "You think God's light can reach you on Kiwifarms?" 10/10 no notes

No I get it. Technically I was a Tumblr freak before Tumblr because I was on livejournal and deviantart lol.


Honestly what the hell is this video about? The comments on YouTube and Tumblr are all over the place.

Discovering that there's a word for this situation (lolcow), that comes from the demographic it does, has unexpectedly shook me. I'm now recontextualizing a lot of my own experiences... wondering if perhaps some people did things to me intentionally, rather than thoughtlessly.

Yeah that site was terrible. Well not that the concept is unique to the farm site but yeah.


OK I started watching the video. Everything has gone insane within the first 5 minutes alone lol.

[Ironman]

2024 has been a very rough year

[Otherside]

As entertaining as Big Brother is to watch, going on that show would be an absolute nightmare for me. Honestly, being watched by cameras 24/7, being cut off from the outside world, not having a clue about whether you are liked or disliked just sounds horrific. (and the crowd is kinda brutal if you aren't liked, think a lot of us would struggle with leaving the house to being booed and having hate signs made about you.)

This is before they add in things like not giving you your suitcase or forcing you to eat porridge daily because one of your housemates broke the "don't talk about nominations" rule. 7

Always think back to the 2020 contestants who had no clue that after they'd gone in, all hell broke loose, and they were told all of a sudden that there was a global pandemic that spread rapidly across the globe, the country was now in lockdown, borders had been shut. Must have been something to discover it all that way.

[Nyctophilia]

I don't necessarily want to block Elon (I never block anyone anyway,) but since I follow Grimes I also don't want to see this nonsense because I can't stand how he conducts his personal relationships:



I know they have kids so this is somewhat unavoidable and partly her fault for deciding to have kids with him but it's just like go the [BEEP] away all the same.


Annoying me as much as all the Christian polygynists.


Oh wait I forgot twitter changed it's blocking thing so you can still see tweets of people who block you (which I think was a dumb idea,) don't know if it works both ways though. Would defeat a large amount of the point.


Now they're still super annoying and you can't even tell them that. Great. Very freedom of speech of you.





Lol she really is. That reminds me though she recently uploaded a new song or something on YT I have to listen to...





The piano sounds very familiar to me but I can't remember the name of the track it reminds me of.

punish by ethel cain sounds like something else and i can?t place it it?s driving me insane

Yes I know it's going to really bug me. I think it might be the track that was often played in the background of British TV shows and it has vocals but I don't remember the freaking lyrics.


OK I finally found it by hunting around in a bunch of playlists I made all I could remember was that home was in the title lol (I think this is what I was thinking of anyway):





Now that I know lol I can see other's making that comparison but didn't come up when searching before whyyy.

[TOMT] [SONG] Piano Sample in Ethel Cain's Song "Punish"


Hi! I'm trying to find the source of the piano sample in Ethel Cain's new song "Punish?". I thought it was Time by Hans Zimmerman but I listened to it and I'm not sure it's an exact match. Thanks!!

It sound very similar to The Cinematic Orchestra - To Build A Home, but not sampled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUFJJNQGwhk

Yeah I don't think it's sampled. Not from that track anyway.


I feel like there might be something else too actually (it's still giving me this feeling lol,) but nope. Not going down this route lol. Actually I'm thinking of Time by Hans Zimmer too. Yeah it sounds a bit like both those tracks.


The part after 3:59 is good but also reminds me of something else. Oh my god brain why.


I think starting here is pretty good:





Inbred EP has some good tracks too. Probably makes more sense to listen to it before Preacher's Daughter too.








Also the screaming part on this track is great and the track is pretty good in general:





I love the intro of this too but the longer version is great as well just the intro is a really cool dark vibe:





I love the aesthetics a lot too because weirdly on a similar timeframe I was getting into 70s stuff (like the glasses) which she kind of incorporated and I like dark stuff in general.


Lyrically there's a lot of great stuff. Also I love that she explored how terrifying God is.


CH: A relationship with the church and Christianity is there throughout your work. There's also a lot of witchy and Satanic references what is your relationship with all of these?
EC: I definitely love the spookiness of it all, but for me, the real spook factor isn?t so much with Satan or the witchiness, it's very much in God. I know some of it at face value looks very culty the candles, and all that. But for me, the true terror comes in God. When you grow up in the church everyone tells you that you have to fear God. Before you love him you have to fear him. Satan to me has never been that scary, he's just the devil. God has all power, he is all-powerful. He is the overarching and looming face in the darkness. That's very much what God felt like to me growing up, the person who?s always watching and you can never get away from. And that to me was terrifying. That's where I?m at. I think Satan and all that is kind of a cheap facade if you want the real scary [BEEP] you gotta go with God.

CH: I feel like there?s a total rejection of God and specifically a Christian God in [BEEP] spaces.
EC: Whether I like it or not, God always has and always will be a huge part of my life. Whether he's being used as a comforting figure or a threat, I've always been surrounded by it. It's not really something you can walk away from. And I'd rather just sit with it than be like, "Fuck the church!" Especially in super southern Christian environments, everything is about God. I definitely have been accused of it being a gimmick, or that I?m cheapening Christianity. It?s funny talking about this in light of everything that?s happening on Twitter with Lil Nas X, but I don't feel like there's ever been a space for [BEEP] people to discuss the impact that it had on them, for better or worse. We have just as strong of an emotional connection to the church, and more often than not that connection is not positive. They say that artists should create from the heart, this is what?s in there.


omg is Ethel Cain's tumblr back. It looks like it. Her tumblr was one of the best.

tallahassee has this thing called the maglab which is a research facility in the woods outside town that houses the largest magnet in the entire world. when anything weird happens in town, everyone blames the magnet. it?s one of the things i miss most about living there, it was like living in an x-files episode. (not just because of the magnet but also because of the aliens in the woods behind the airport.)

10/10


This isn't from her tumblr I was just scrolling to find that post again lol:

At the risk of sounding stupid, what are these structures called? I never learned the word for them

PYLONS.

[Otherside]

Never thought to try it before or nought much into it. But will say that almost overnight, have gone from having giant hive weals covering my arms, legs, back and hips, to only having a couple of tiny hive spots on my legs after doing acupuncture yesterday.

And trialling multiple antihistamines hadnt helped much (tried Fexofendaine - got rid of the itching but hives still there. Chlorophenamine - just makes me sleepy. Cetirizine - not much use). Prednisolone steroids would get rid of then quickly but can't be on that for more than a week, and when that eventually wore off, back came the hives. Same with Elocon cream, bur can't use that for more than a few weeks.

May this lack of hives continue. Perhaps the acupuncture guy was right and I do in fact, have fire in my blood.

If anything, despite feeling a bit like a human pincushion, it was surprisingly relaxing. Didn't really hurt either tbh, could barely feel the needles.

(It does suck a bit though that I have to avoid spicy food though. I made feta pasta last night and it was a bit of a shame that I couldn't add chilli flakes to it. It is nice, but just isn't the same without them.)

[Nyctophilia]

I think being amab provides you with more opportunities to have like hobbies. You were allowed to explore more things as a kid generaly than like an afab kid. Some sort of like dating unfair advantage. If you date guys as a trans woman you'll be like 'oh yeah I read that comic' and they'll be like wow you read? You get like a weird unfair advantage with impressing men

I'm going to have to disagree here when it comes to the previous two generations before then maybe. I think most afab people growing up during and after the 90s were not pushed in a feminine direction and if anything were subtly or not so subtly encouraged to be tomboys (but not too butch obviously or then you'd be 'ugly.') Like how Avril was compared to Britney in most videos in the early 2000s. There was this constant kind of 'it's so great that you're this tomboy which means you're obviously doing what you want to do and presenting how you want to present unlike these fake feminine girls' in the media:








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDpcTCr6x_k


She said some shitty things about her at one point but I think she she realised what they were doing eventually.


Likewise you had songs like these songs below in the 2000s. I saw some people complaining about Avril on reddit recently for this song and I was like that was Pink (this isn't the first time someone has misremembered something about Avril that was Pink either lol someone else was doing that with some magazine cover recently and thought Avril had a kid when she doesn't. Maybe this is contributing to the clone conspiracy thing even more lol.)








"Tired of being compared to damn Britney Spears."


At some point in the early 2010s Nicki Minaj made Barbie cool and edgy and then all the conservatives started hating it lol:











As well as her Barbie alter ego she also had like a male homosexual alter ego 'Roman,' it was hip hop music, and was very obviously not trad femme so they weren't having that either lol. I find this quite funny because I'm not sure I would have predicted they would hate Barbie by the 2020s back in the day. This happened around the same time as Gaga too of course.


Actually weirdly her Barbie look in Monster was very similar to Avril here lol:





Also this still cracks me up but Kanye didn't want to release it because he correctly realised her verse would be the best part of the track:





"And I would do all this work on Dark Fantasy and people to this day will say oh my favourite thing's Nicki Minaj's verse."


Of course this way of thinking in the Pink music videos didn't really reach my hometown for the most part, and it was more like The Breakfast Club where you get coerced into a makeover lol and everyone thinks you're weird if you have mental health issues/anxiety issues anyway obviously.


I feel like this video basically summarises this ambivalence:





That being said in spite of Western culture's cyclical ambivalent animosity towards afab femininity (and slut shaming of women, and generally shaming of sexuality) - you're still given much more freedom to be feminine and engage in non sexualised feminine interests than young boys are (like Pierbi said there's still lots of intolerance to that.)

Most girls and women just adopt those interests because they are their preference. In fact in non Western cultures it is more common for women to adopt less feminine interests because they have less freedom. Gender differences in interests are exaggerated in cultures that have more freedom. Perhaps leading to some of the cultural issues we have now on social media.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox

The gender-equality paradox is the finding that various gender differences in personality and occupational choice are larger in more gender equal countries. Larger differences are found in Big Five personality traits, Dark Triad traits, self-esteem, depression, personal values, occupational and educational choices. This phenomenon is seemingly paradoxical because one would expect the differences to be reduced as countries become more gender egalitarian.[1] Such a paradox has been discussed by numerous studies ranging from science, mathematics, reading, personality traits, basic human values and vocational interests.

Maybe not though. I think conservative men and women - who tend to identify as more feminine and masculine than androgynous - tend to bond over their mutual dislike of androgyny instead lol, and their dislike of high openness behaviour and other opinions like being anti-abortion and what not. Instead of enjoying the same video game or whatever.

And they do this thing where they scapegoat the androgynous people (or other minority groups - there's a version of this that plays out with race as well,) and then the men like defend the women who act like damsels in distress and enjoy their benevolent sexism.

I love being the villain in their sex game while they simultaenously complain about how we're all perverted.

And I totally am. BUT SO ARE YOU.

Definitely in a mood.