Random Thought of the Day

[Nyctophilia]

I'm still processing this whole event, but last weekend I attended a community sports event that advertised as being for "women, nonbinary, and trans people." I was excited because I am super passionate about sports, but the rec leagues around here are packed with cishet men or they are gay men's leagues so I always feel kinda out of place.

After I arrived I started talking to people when someone tapped on my shoulder. This person asked straight up, "Are you a cis man?" I answered no, I'm trans and nonbinary. They then said "Are you AMAB?" I said no and they gave me a look and walked off.


I thought that was weird but that was that, until about 5 minutes later when a group of 4 people came up to me, the original person being one of them. A different person then told me that the women present did not feel comfortable with me participating and I could "spectate if I want to." I was shocked but I didn't put up a fight, I just left. There were other trans men there but no one else was a problem but me I guess, purely because of the way I look.


I do pass and have passed for a long time, but I'm not exactly a macho looking guy. I'm 5'5 and 125 lbs, I'm clean shaven with a shaggy haircut. I do not look intimidating, but even if I did, I shouldn't have been excluded. Sometimes it feels like I'm an outcast in both cishet and [BEEP] society because of my gender and I just think that sucks.


Has anyone gone through similar experiences? How did you handle it?


Edit: wow, what a response. I'm going to reach out to the organizers first, because I don't know if the people who approached me were involved with organizing or they were just vigilante gatekeepers. Sucks that this happens to us so often.


Edit 2: This was the response from the organizers: "Wow, I'm appalled to hear that this was your experience. The people who approached you were most definitely NOT associated with [organization] and the fact they felt empowered to exclude you is extremely concerning. Thank you for the descriptions of the people who harassed you. Please know we are doing our best to identify and ban these people. We are committed to ensuring this never happens again. All trans people regardless of identity or expression are welcome at [organization] events." Looks like these were randos who took it upon themselves to kick me out!

Answering that you're not a cis guy should have been enough per their requirements. My impression is a lot of these spaces aren't OK with people who pass as male with a masculine presentation. But I'm sure a lot depends on location etc.

I think some of these groups might also function a bit like the man and not-man divide in many non Western and hunter gatherer type cultures. So at the point where you appear too masculine you get chucked out but they allow certain people who aren't women or genetically female etc into the not man group.

I would never go to an event that advertises itself as being for women and trans or non-binary people though because I don't like the idea of being in a space that's hypervigilent in this way even though I pass as female. I know they are going to have issues most of the time with people who don't look a certain way.

Honestly though just go to male events/groups? Unless there's an issue there too I know guys can be more transphobic and it's weird being stealth or passing with transphobes which is an experience trans guys have often and talk about. Which reminds me of this thread I found recently with a bunch of liberal guys who 'pass as right wing' in the US so they get weird political comments etc:

Dad passed this lady her drink and she said "thank you sir... Well I guess I'm not allowed to say sir anymore... Since it's a pronoun" and he literally just looked at her like this 😐

He's now very worriedly asking me if he "looks like a conservative."

I know that feeling. I look like I'm wanted for January 6th crimes. Fat middle aged white guy, I'm only missing sunglasses to wear indoors and a tinder profile where I'm holding a fish.

Sucks.

Try wearing funny hats or sunglasses

The funny hats don't stop them. Neither do cute sweaters. Help.

Sincerely, a fat white bearded dude who wears animal themed hats and pastel cardigans.

I look like an EDF member (albeit without tattoos) and I moved to Poland. People are far too comfortable saying racist things to me assuming I'll agree with them.

I was in Croatia and as soon as they found we were from Poland we had far too many people telling us how good it was that Poland doesn't let in immigrants, which is odd as I'm an immigrant.

Can also confirm that ever since I started painting my nails, nobody offers me unsolicited opinions on women's swimming. Or boxing, or whatever they're mad about now. And I work in construction, so it used to happen far more than you'd think lol. I only wish I'd discovered it in 2020.

People say the most out of pocket [BEEP] to me too. It's like, 50% the beard I think. It's only toned down by all the nerd [BEEP] I wear, lol.

I look like a sad old stone cold Steve Austen after 20 years of retirement, legit had some American tourists ask me this. I keep getting Randos in waiting areas trying to explain their latest bizarre takes on everything from windmills to undersea mining. I think it?s me.

Me too. On purpose. They don't suspect I transitioned to male.

Anyone working on a construction site is assumed to be on the side of evil (although the evil ones don't know they're the baddies).

A guy I met the day before the election greeted me the day after it with "at least our guy won" and put his fists up like trump was going to pull him up by his dirty blue collar. The only response that made sense to me was the one I was feeling in the core of my being, which was an emphatic "fuck him". It wasn't my intent to deflate that man, but I can't say I was disappointed when those fists and his chin both dropped like rocks.

I miss my Hawaiian shirts and tan 3/4 shorts.

They were a look I liked on myself, until righty righty Americans took the look for themselves, thieving pricks ruin everything by being arseholes!

When I got back on a dating app a while back, it suggested I not use shirtless pics, or pic of fish. Almost all the photos of me are shirtless holding a fish in a river or the ocean.

I'm also a 4x4 pickup driving, gun carrying, cowboy hat wearing liberal. Which also confused a lot of people

As much as I hate small talk, this is why it exists!

Luckily I've only had people do this kind of thing with me when they are drunk. Like the woman who started ranting about men on the train (among other weird things she said.)

Also quite a bit of the gender policing likely has to do with an extension of the political tribal group thing where masculinity is seen as being right wing even though tbh half the far right guys on twitter are skinny soft featuerd looking guys like Nick Fuentes, or actually androgynous people and the occasional femboy. To the point where right wing twitter users are unironically posting this now:

Are you a groyper who is ashamed that you've been duped into following a gay pedophile cult? Can't stop noticing all the red flags?

It's never too late to change your life. To break away from a lie is to find the essence of one's own becoming.

edit: I've seen several examples online of trans guys posting photos talking about how they would be forced to use the female toilet or something by law in the US and then some cis guy comes along and violently threatens them assuming they are also amab. I saw this happen recently but can't find the screenshot someone posted now.

So like why are cis women allowed but trans men apparently are made to leave, lmao

Every group that mentions women is for cis women. Even if other groups are allowed it's more conditional. Though I imagine some might chuck out sufficiently masculine looking cis women too.

that AMAB comment especially makes me feel as if this was an event specifically not for trans women and you were kicked out because they thought you were one >:( really fucked up. It's bizarre how people want to create trans inclusive events that end up only being "cis women plus 'trans' men we secretly still see as women"

people need to remember cis women are still cis at the end of the day they'll give us all the [BEEP] in the world if they feel like it lol. being a woman doesn't automatically mean they're allies

It's also a possibility but I doubt most are transphobes they specifically dislike men and anyone who is masculine enough that they remind them of cis men.

If you go to any 'for woman' subreddit 'autistic women' 'TwoXChromosomes' etc - the same thing happens. Repeated rants about men. On the autistic women subreddit it's often about autistic men. An issue with groups that are for women. Though also tbh an issue with groups in general - if you search about a certain group of people most of the results will often be people ranting about said group I think. If it mentions women at all I wouldn't join though if you're a trans guy. Though groups that are just for trans people also have numerous issues anyway from what I hear.

cis (terf) lesbians stop excluding virtually everyone they don't personally want to [BEEP] challenge: impossible

BAHAHAHA this is exactly what it is.

I wonder. I'm not attracted to masculinity much (depends on the trait in question really,) so I was thinking I get how that thought process could develop that way but it's still insane to just go around policing spaces along those lines, but this was a general woman's event so probably unrelated to attraction.

I think it's also just when you're criticised for being femme or not masculine it becomes a big part of your identity, then if you're not very attracted to masculinity either you develop a low opinion of masculine people. (The reverse of right wing people who think masculine guys are their in-group by default.)

Yeah it's basically "we're terfs /chasers but we pretend that we aren't because we fetishise trans women and any trans person we can clock or mentally categorise as woman lite and we think that's the same as allyship... and if you're" too masculine" (and not attractive to us) you don't count as trans and it's fine for us to exclude you from our trans event while claiming it's for safety and not just us trying to creep on trans people we find attractive and excluding ones we don't and treating them as less trans"

It'd be like if a bunch of incels and PUAs said they were holding a women's rights event then kicked out any woman they decided they weren't attracted to claimed they weren't women and were" making people uncomfortable by existing in the space while not being sexually attractive which is their job as a woman"

Does make a lot of sense to me tbh lol. If you're reasonably feminine and competing with men this is just going to happen really.

I'd imagine a lot are just into afab people though as well.

that's what a lot of trans man exclusion boils down to - punishment for not being sexually attractive to people who are attracted to primarily women, punishment for passing or not passing, people getting angry at you for being on T or getting gender affirming surgeries because they think they are sexually entitled to a body that makes you dysphoric and think you're stealing something from them by transitioning...

so you're treated like you owe everyone forever to make up for daring to be yourself and 'taking a woman away from people who wanted one' by not being one , punishment for being trans and not being a cis woman while people try to gaslight you and say it isn't happening & that your life is easier for being a trans man and that you need to shut up and be stoic and never talk about your feelings or you aren't a real man....

But at the same time you apparently have to be a good example of non toxic masculinity for cis men because you aren't allowed to exist in your own right you only exist as an object for others you're a sex toy or a human shield or a lesson they can learn about themselves while they disregard the things they could also learn about you

It's like this too:



Rachel does a really great job with this character lol:

Opinion: There is little to no reason to ever segregate an event by gender and this only drives the wedge further between the "two genders" and pulls us back in gender equality. Plus you get stupid situations like this where trans people are excluded as well.

I think a lot of sporting stuff is segregated. I wouldn't seek out explicitly gender segregated stuff where possible though as I say. Sometimes I've ended up in spaces that are mostly men or mostly women though.

There are multiple problems though contributing simultaneously:

1. Gender expression is politicised in a tribal way as referenced earlier in the post.

2. Women increasingly feel unsafe around men or people who remind them of men.

3. Feminine people competing with masculine people sexually or in a general sense and vice versa leads to lots of issues.

4. Lack of attraction to masculinity.

5. Western cultures becoming more low trust over time:

A low-trust society is defined as one in which interpersonal trust is relatively low, and shared ethical values are lacking.[1] Conversely, a high-trust society is one where interpersonal trust is relatively high, and where ethical values are strongly shared.

According to researchers, low-trust societies are typically kinship-based;[1] outcomes of low-trust societies can include difficulty in forming and maintaining corporate structures.[2] Mechanisms and institutions that are corrupted, dysfunctional, or absent in low-trust societies include respect for private property rights, a trusted civil court system, democratic voting and acceptance of electoral outcomes, and voluntary tax payment.[3] Research has identified a correlation between linear-active cultures (i.e. following a daily schedule with a single task at a time)[4] with high-trust societies, and multi-active cultures (flexible schedules with many tasks at once, often in an unplanned order) with low-trust cultures.[5]

High-trust societies display a high degree of mutual trust not imposed by outside "contractual, legal or hierarchical regulation", but instead are based upon "prior moral consensus".[1] Much writing on the subject refers to Francis Fukuyama's 1995 book, Trust: Social Virtues and Creation of Prosperity, in which he describes "the ability of various peoples to organize effectively for commercial purposes without relying on blood ties or government intervention".[6]

Trust had been eroding for decades in America by the time the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center found that the percentage of respondents in its General Social Survey who said "you can't be too careful in dealing with people" went from 50.3 percent in 1972 to 63.9 percent in 2018.

Is Britain a high-trust society?

Of 24 nations, only five are more likely than the UK to say most people can be trusted, with Norway (72%), China (64%) and Sweden (63%) the only countries where a majority feel this way. And the UK ranks far above some peer nations, such as Italy (27%) and France (26%), as well as being ahead of the US (37%).

The USA is worse off than the UK when it comes to this, although I think this is happening everywhere in the West. I know the USA is worse off based on the response to COVID alone tbh.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...nment-00096509

It's impossible to talk about American politics in 2023 without talking about trust -- or, more accurately, about its conspicuous absence from public life. Sure, everyone?s seen the charts showing that Americans? trust in government has declined precipitously since the 1960s. But something about the contemporary crisis of trust seems even deeper than that. Today, Americans don?t just feel betrayed by the political establishment, or the media, or economic and cultural elites; they also feel betrayed by each other. "National divorce" -- a term that frames America?s current political crises as symptoms of a deeper social breakup -- is suddenly a well-worn phrase. Over a quarter of Americans believe that it might soon be necessary to take up arms against their government. It would be a shocking number if not for the violent assault on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

But is America's current crisis of trust really so unique? To get one expert opinion on that question, I called up Robert Putnam, the Harvard political scientist and author of the now-canonical book Bowling Alone. In the book, Putnam surveyed the American social landscape at the turn of the 21st century and came away with a startling conclusion: Americans were lonelier and more distrustful of their fellow citizens than ever. At the root of the problem, Putnam argued, was the erosion of "social capital," or the networks of sociability, trust and solidarity that hold communities together. Instead of joining clubs or civil organizations, Americans were spending more of their waking hours working, commuting to and from their jobs and sitting in front of the TV. These trends contributed to a decline in social trust that continues to this day. Putnam summarized his findings with one curious statistic: At the turn of the 21st century, more Americans than ever were going bowling, yet fewer were participating in organized bowling leagues. More Americans were bowling alone.

Well good luck with that.

[Nyctophilia]

"Hey can you lend me a quarter?"
"No problem"
*punches through wall and proceeds to pick through gooey ball of rotted fruit*

That basically justifies the effort.

That was basically what I was saying days ago but better:

Walk around with a bunch of cables so if anyone ever asks for a specific cable you can be like *roots around* I have the cable. Be completely useless in everyway - this is important - except for cables. That's your purpose in life cable hero.

Actually I forgot about this when making that post (despite mentioning something else related to Japanese aesthetics lol,) and I know that video isn't Japanese but there's a practice in Japan called Chindogu which is a sort of similar thought process except I think the video was made more for humour:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chind%C5%8Dgu

Chindogu (珍道具) is the practice of inventing ingenious everyday gadgets that seem to be ideal solutions to particular problems, but which may cause more problems than they solve. The term is of Japanese origin.[1]

Literally translated, chindōgu means unusual (珍, chin) tool (道具, dōgu). The term was coined by Kenji Kawakami, a former editor and contributor to the Japanese home-shopping magazine Mail Order Life. In the magazine, Kawakami used his spare pages to showcase several bizarre prototypes for products. He named these gadgets "chindōgu"; Kawakami himself said that a more appropriate translation than "unusual tool" is "weird tool". This special category of inventions subsequently became familiar to the Japanese people.

Dan Papia then introduced it to the English-speaking world and popularized it as a monthly feature in his magazine, Tokyo Journal, encouraging readers to send in ideas. In 1995, Kawakami and Papia collaborated on the English language book 101 Unuseless Japanese Inventions: The Art of Chindōgu. Most classic chindogu products are collected in the book. Many examples display a sense of humor in the way they are used. Examples from the books include:

A combined household duster and cocktail-shaker, for the housewife who wants to reward herself as she is going along.
The all-day tissue dispenser, which is a toilet roll fixed on top of a hat, for hay fever sufferers.
The all-over plastic bathing suit, to enable people who suffer from aquaphobia to swim without coming into contact with water.
The baby mop, an outfit worn by babies, so that as they crawl around, the floor is cleaned.[2]
The selfie stick. While dismissed as a "useless invention" at the time, it later gained global popularity in the 21st century.[3]

The International Chindogu Society

Kawakami founded the International Chindogu Society[4] to popularize Chindogu worldwide. Papia is the president of the society's U.S. chapter.[5] People who invent a Chindogu can write about their creation on the society's website.
Ten tenets of chindōgu

The Chindōgu Society developed ten tenets of chindōgu explaining the principles (spirits) on which chindogu products should be based, inspiring designers and users to think about the deep core of design in general. The tenets require[6] that a chindōgu

cannot be for real use,
must exist,
must have a spirit of anarchy,
is a tool for everyday life,
is not a tradeable commodity,
must not have been created for purposes of humour alone: humour is merely the by-product
is not propaganda,
is not taboo,
cannot be patented, and
is without prejudice.

This tomato feeding robot is one that springs to mind:



I haven't watched this channel much but I think this is what Simone Giertz used to do too:

Because as we all know the easiest way to be at the top of your field is to choose a very small field. ~Simone Giertz 2018

That describes what I was doing on YouTube at one point lol.

[Nyctophilia]

I know at least four women in minneapolis who look and are exactly like this

God's cruelest trick is that all these women are lesbians

(I censored this just in case even though it's a unrealistic drawing. Conflicted)

Interesting. I can't date lesbians though. I bet they don't even look exactly like that cartoon drawing.

Every guy moving to Minneapolis to meet these women when they meet them:

Lol.

What's stopping you from being a lesbian

Sometimes people with long hair and glasses are men (although translucent fabric is somewhat less effective maybe not sure. Actually I'm dumb I don't think that top is meant to be translucent fabric. Still.) Sometimes they play bass too.

And I'm bigender.

Where are the straight ones?

They exist in a state of being both gay and straight, but once you meet them they become gay and have always been gay. It's like Schrodinger's cat.

That might work actually. If they also exist in a state of being both male and female that would likely be best.

the whole time she was actually in portland my bad

[photo of woman with guitar]

That's not a bass guitar!!!!!!1131!

I'm looking at her other tweets. I think she's a trans woman. Like every new account I stumble on on twitter that isn't a right wing guy. Sometimes the trans women are also far right. As in a post I deleted recently.

pierbi is real for this especially with t4t I feel like it's so hard to draw the lines between platonic affection and flirting,, you gotta make your game clear

You know Pierbi does actually look exactly like that lol. She lives in the UK though.

i hope this dress isnt see through or anything? thatd be embarrassing

It's so great when people discover translucent fabric.

You know who was kind of hot? St Vincent's live bassist in that clip I saw earlier on twitter. Charlotte Kemp Muhl. I can't embed the video here though. It was definitely just the clip + lighting though. I am not attracted when I google. (That's not an insult she's very conventionally attractive I'm just not attracted to most people, most of the time.) The music video/live music video filter strikes again.

Also she's in a relationship with John Lennon's son Sean Lennon lol.

algorithm finally tapped me into minnetranpolis twitter, we are so back

How do I get out of this? And also far right twitter?

Apparently she's from a 1970s erotic comic too (wikipedia actually says 1980s random twitter user but I suppose the main character popped up in something else in 1971.) I should have known because they had great glasses back then.

Cherry: the main character. Cherry Poptart is blonde, liberal, upbeat, promiscuous and insatiable ? she will have sexual intercourse with anyone of either sex (including her mother, and any of her female friends) and anything. Cherry does not age, but perpetually has "just turned 18".[6] She is generally a high school student, though this will change without warning to fit in with a story, and rarely keeps a boyfriend outside a single strip.[10]

Makes sense but what about Ellie?

It's always the blonde white Liberal woman. 💀

Lol just going to quote this randomly.

Ellie Dee: Cherry's best friend, a dark-haired computer expert. Her appearances usually end up with Ellie and/or Cherry having adventures involving technology; in keeping with her stories' themes, her name is a homonym for LED. Despite her nerdish trappings, Ellie is every bit as sexually active as Cherry.

Of course.

I would marry a chubby nerdy version of her

Well technically. But yeah she doesn't have that vibe in the image really. Just looks like she's in a band.

Holy [BEEP] its Flower Ghosts

Lol so I looked this up and saw she was a ghost from a TV show called Ghosts and then got confused because I mixed it up with the show Being Human which had a US adaptation (I watched part of the original UK version of that many years ago but I forgot the name of the show for some reason I dunno,) then realised no it wasn't it was some other show that also was based on a UK show. We do really like ghosts here.

This is a trap to try and get you into Minneapolis, it's a sirens song don't fall for it sailors

One of my favourite teachers was from Minnesota so I feel like I've experienced that lifestyle.

Actually thinking about it that was the first male teacher I had in school lol. British men didn't exist back then (just like on twitter,) no lol I had male relatives.

What I find fascinating in hindsight (and I don't know if he ever explained but maybe I just forgot.) Is why did he move to Luton lol? I guess it isn't very far from London but cheaper though (probably moreso at the time.) Definitely a better import than Andrew Tate. He moved here too young and his dad was trash so became the worst of Luton and Chicago fused together (he also I think lived in other places in the US but I feel like those are more relevant.)




"Folk metal fans call upon the Gods of the forest to destroy the evil that has plagued our land!"

Well I am debateably the evil plaguing our land so I don't know about that.



Pirate metal is fun though yeah:




"All prog metal fans have ADHD."

Undiagnosed probably yeah lol.



Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment, drawing way outside the lines

"Shut up TOOL" lol.

[Nyctophilia]

You: "I can't afford children!" They:

Two inmates in separate cells managed to conceive a child without ever meeting. They passed semen through the air vents using a makeshift line made of bedding, and the woman used a yeast infection applicator to inseminate herself. Against all odds, it worked, and the baby was born healthy

The ability to not give a [BEEP] and just do whatever actively that often goes along with high dark triad scores is somewhat enviable yes. I mean I do whatever passively (eg: not doing things I should,) but never actively.

Needless to say this was a dumb thing to do.

People out there trying for years to conceive a baby and these two just did a no look behind the back half court shot

It's infuriating isn't it. I don't have kids yet but if I struggle I'm going to be pissed, even knowing damn well that sometimes you can have every single element perfect but somehow the pieces just don't go together. And sometimes you have an absolute fustercluck but it works perfectly.

Artificial repro taught me that even as a science, there's still some element of luck or superstition or magic or something that we haven't discovered.

I thought that same thing! I paid thousands of dollars for a failed round of IVF, and this happened!?!?.

He can't keep getting away with it:



The odds are actually very low too:

Dr. Fernando Akerman: "We estimate that probably their chances were less than five percent, but that is not to say that the chances were zero. So this is absolutely a case that is exceedingly unusual. To my knowledge I've never heard or read anything like this."

"I can't believe it worked," Link reportedly said. "I think everything happened for a reason."

Depaz told the outlet that Link getting pregnant, despite the two never having touched, was like "the Virgin Mary."

I don't remember that part of the Bible.

Daisy Link: "She could be anything. I think that she's gonna be something great."

What are you in prison for?

Link is locked up awaiting trial, charged with second-degree murder.

Police said Link was holding a gun after shooting her boyfriend in the leg, killing him.

Florida court records indicate that both Daisy Link and Joan Depaz are currently in custody being held on charges of murder. Both have been in custody since at least 2022.

So probably both murderers?

"Well you know who doesn't know someone who has been in prison and people can be in prison for all kinds of- nope murderers of course."

But I should have known that really.

I'll be happy if we don't get great things from this kid.

More like it's a jailers baby but this gains more clicks than the real story.

Yeah he should get a DNA test.

[Nyctophilia]

It's going to be down to the individual. In large, I think that cis women sometimes have a tendency to either underaffirm or overaffirm trans girls. It's just as bad to be constantly told what a pretty pink princess you are as it is to be treated like a dude imo. It feels like external compensating for internal doubts about our womanhood, like they feel bad about not actually believing us, so they act affirming to mask/make up for that.

Oh I don't know the bolded just reads like a kink thing to me....

I might be projecting though. But most cis women give the impression that they are not into being feminine and don't want to be valued for that but a lot of people get this impression that trans women must really love that because they've been forced into a masculine role their entire life (unlike cis women who were forced to be feminine,) so they feel bad about that and want to not continue doing that but also a lot of people find that a turn on because it's like 'wow someone who really enjoys being feminine unlike almost everyone in our culture' that's why a bunch of men say they prefer trans women as well when asked 'because trans women are just more feminine.'

Now of course this is bs and a lot of trans women are not that feminine and/or don't enjoy that and many cis women do, but yeah that's the impression people get and the 'narrative.' I don't think it has much to do with whether they see trans women as women or not and more to do with their assumption of expectations placed on you early in life.

Aww, thx :). I think that cis women have an image of trans women which is deeply flawed. I guess they might assume that we're going to be high femme because either think "if they aren't, then why transition, anyway?" or just see us as men in lipstick. It makes being a masc-of-center trans girl a weird place to be.

But.... I like being a pretty Pink Princess ;--;

You know what she is saying

Yeah, I do. Doesn't change my statement ;-;

That's good for you, then

Thanks!

I looked at her bio and it literally says 'call me your princess' LOL.

I think queer, neuroatypical, or GNC women see us as women. Hyperfeminine trad cishet women might me more prone to see us as something other. That's just my experience. I have noticed [BEEP] and GNC women care WAY more about getting my name and pronouns right and have more androgynous mannerisms so I usually seem very womanly next to them. But being at my straight friend's engagement party I felt out of place and that people were avoiding me.

Yeah that's because those groups are more androgynous on average so their standards for womanhood will be different too. Femininity/masculinity doesn't have much to do with that though I mean I've met guys who I felt were more feminine than me.

Also reminds me of this conversation about Thai trans women (which I included in some other posts I deleted lol...):

trans women in thailand are one of the biggest victims of sex tourism and the sex trade, this is what they mean when they say they aren't part of the "woke mind virus" - they're forced to comply to patriarchy's ideals of what a trans woman should be.

not being able to bear a child or to be a wife, the only option of a trans woman is to become the sex object of c1smen. any deviation from this is seen as another betrayal of the patriarchal system

and i say another because the first betrayal is the rejection of manhood forced on them

even before they come out or are aware of their trans womanhood/girlhood, they are already seen as traitors and subjected to transmisogyny in infancy.

this is also why femboys are seen as "better" than trans women. femboys exist primarily for male sexual gratification and degradation while trans women request respect. the latter goes against patriarchal belief.

an enormous amount of the "third sex" in thailand are treated worse than first world trans women. this is how third sexes function, as a heatsink for all the abuse and misogyny men normally vent on c1s women. desistance to a male identity later in life and suicide are also worse

Unrelated to above discussion but still kind of relevant:

for as much as i shittalk cis male sex pests, i think living in a cis female dominated society would be infinitely worse for me as an mtf tr**n. in patriarchal society im like a eunuch taboo fetish object for the ruling demographic. In the opposite i would be straight trash

in this world i have value as a sex object albeit an awkward ungainly masculine one. In a world where female identity is default i would be utterly devalued to such an extent that i wouldnt exist

The tweet screenshot is stupid though that isn't 'woke' what they are talking about is just physical appearance mostly because let's face it East Asian people tend to look more androgynous which helps with passing - at least to white people who in studies it's been revealed are actually less good at guessing sex from faces than East Asian people. I think on top of that people are also better with differentiating faces of their own race from what I've read.

There is a research paper that examined this with white and East Asian people (I think East Asian people living in East Asia,) I'm just too lazy to dig it up right now.

I imagine this varies on an individual level and also when you drink alcohol some people become less good at that temporarily (personally I've never felt any change to my attractions though or greater willingness to do sexual stuff. I have very high inhibitions at baseline though just my motor cordination goes to absolute [BEEP] when I'm drunk lol and I either develop a lower tolerance for boredom or I'm more willing to express that I want to do something fun/go somewhere else,) It really is like giving yourself brain damage for a bit lol. But the specific damage depends on the individual a bit.

On top of that trans women in South East Asia tend to start transistioning earlier than in the West because of the culture. The very transphobic 'whining about woke people' bs 'groomers bla bla' [BEEP] these people do in the West is about half the reason Western trans women do not look like that which I find infuriating.

People are far more repressed here. Instead of socialising with women from a young age like they do in South East Asia - even when they're [BEEP] btw (as straight women tend to be more feminine in personality this applies to cis and trans women,) they transistion in their 30s or later after years in the military or something and many have very masculine body language and personalities. Trying to prove they aren't gay etc. Obviously some people may just be very masculine and enjoy that, but I get the feeling a bunch also feel alienated and do these things as an avoidance strategy. This is gradually changing though for trans people despite the efforts of conservatives - because of the internet. So there's increasingly a transfemme culture that is differentiated but overlaps with other cultures and people transistion younger now.

Also yes, the West is more individualistic and so a wider range of people will draw outside the lines here entirely in terms of personal expression and behaviour. Not necessarily in ways people tend to find sexually attractive. *insert a conservative's rants about tatoos and dyed hair.*

I absolutely hate the word woke because as with many things it's just a buzzword for 'whatever happens to be annoying me right now.' So depending on the moment it can mean "women aren't sexually appealing to me now." (that's a very common usage.) Or more idiosyncratic, "builders enjoy history." Like their brain shuts off and they just say that word and everything is just a unified problem/conspiracy. Like there aren't several conflicting cultures with power in different contexts/moments/environments. Why else would everything be so incoherent all the time?

UK builders go WOKE: Study finds three quarters of tradesmen discuss their feelings with colleagues while two thirds shun the fried breakfasts and nearly half say they are history buffs

There's also the fact that as I mentioned before many trans women attracted to women will adopt that hyperfemme aesthetic to appeal to men for sex work and whatever just like cis women. It is super common there in Thailand. It's just kind of expected for trans women to be straight generally too. When they date women they often either detransistion, or tone it down. But they mostly detransistion from what I hear - because of the gender rules. I find this quite depressing.

I've seen this with some trans women in the West they date men for validation (not money usually,) then when they decide to date women they just adopt different expression etc. Because they adopt the norms of [BEEP] female culture instead which are different but then if they're not dating you - and I really hope they aren't dating you random conservative transphobe chaser (many such cases (tm)) then why would they try to appeal to what you find attractive anyway?

Obviously some people are attracted to men and still don't try to be attractive to men much like some men don't try to be attractive to women.

But yes the feminine thing. It's just a kind of fantasy some people have. I kind of get turned on by this kind of exaggerated girlyness in other people sometimes (in cis guys and cis women usually.) Probably because it's taboo honestly for anyone to be very feminine (besides trans women I suppose,) and I think that's a bit depressing lol.

I think traditionally feminine interests/traits etc can be cute too (that's not really a sexual thing though.)

Like what shoe talks about here (so it's taboo for everyone lol):



In the 'does society hate femininity?' section.

So I can basically see both sides. I get why someone would not want to be feminine... Duh I'm not a cis guy lol. People tried to get me to wear make up, or suggested I should, or to express more femininely even though I was never super butch - at several points in my life. I actually think it's more of an issue if you're more androgynous or femme sometimes in that respect. If you're super butch people will demonise you or ostracise you more (sometimes,) but prob won't try to change you these days or do the 'Oh you'd be cute if...' thing. Just kind of write you off automatically.

"You'd be really cute if we just changed everything about you."





The Miss Honey gender spectrum thing here is really great but sort of what I'm talking about. If you look like Mia or a kind of unkept nerdy not too masculine kind of a person then they're going to try to force you into a makeover eventually or give you tips etc. If you act and look like Trunchbull then you're basically the villain of a children's movie apparently. And being femme but not passive (a girlboss,) or being very sexual and femme just makes you a slut really from a societal pov or too disagreeable to be likeable. Femme gay guys tend to admire those characters a lot though (pop divas too,) since that particular form of androgyny is connected to that kind of culture more.

"Oh... You're too masculine. Please leave our group you are making us feel unsafe 😔 by not being sexually attractive."

"But there are other trans guys here."

"No... No."

"I can see them they are over there."

The trans guys lol (not insulting him I dig his aesthetic tbh):



"You aren't cute enough. It's scary."

LOL.

Someone should really make a trans or general [BEEP] sitcom because there's just so much material at this point.

For context (I posted about this recently but yeah:

I'm still processing this whole event, but last weekend I attended a community sports event that advertised as being for "women, nonbinary, and trans people." I was excited because I am super passionate about sports, but the rec leagues around here are packed with cishet men or they are gay men's leagues so I always feel kinda out of place.

After I arrived I started talking to people when someone tapped on my shoulder. This person asked straight up, "Are you a cis man?" I answered no, I'm trans and nonbinary. They then said "Are you AMAB?" I said no and they gave me a look and walked off.


I thought that was weird but that was that, until about 5 minutes later when a group of 4 people came up to me, the original person being one of them. A different person then told me that the women present did not feel comfortable with me participating and I could "spectate if I want to." I was shocked but I didn't put up a fight, I just left. There were other trans men there but no one else was a problem but me I guess, purely because of the way I look.


I do pass and have passed for a long time, but I'm not exactly a macho looking guy. I'm 5'5 and 125 lbs, I'm clean shaven with a shaggy haircut. I do not look intimidating, but even if I did, I shouldn't have been excluded. Sometimes it feels like I'm an outcast in both cishet and [BEEP] society because of my gender and I just think that sucks.

Yeah it's basically "we're terfs /chasers but we pretend that we aren't because we fetishise trans women and any trans person we can clock or mentally categorise as woman lite and we think that's the same as allyship... and if you're" too masculine" (and not attractive to us) you don't count as trans and it's fine for us to exclude you from our trans event while claiming it's for safety and not just us trying to creep on trans people we find attractive and excluding ones we don't and treating them as less trans"

It'd be like if a bunch of incels and PUAs said they were holding a women's rights event then kicked out any woman they decided they weren't attracted to claimed they weren't women and were" making people uncomfortable by existing in the space while not being sexually attractive which is their job as a woman"

cis (terf) lesbians stop excluding virtually everyone they don't personally want to [BEEP] challenge: impossible

BAHAHAHA this is exactly what it is.

That being said though my brain finds lots of different personality traits etc attractive so it can't really decide what it wants anyway lol. But I've very rarely been attracted to very masculine guys.


Edit: Lol I never watched the whole of that makeover movie YouTube video before and it's pretty funny:

"As you can see the makeover is highly problematic. But not anymore! Now that the ice caps are melting and gen Z looks 45 we've not only cancelled this trope we've given it a makeover. The makeover movie is alive and well but Hollywood has stayed skibadee with the times."

Clip from some film:

"I could try to pygmalion you."
"Isn't it antifeminist?"
"I don't mean a feminised transformation in order to please a cis man."

As someone who doesn't watch new films often now that dialogue hit me like a train lol.

This is also exactly what I meant when I said Daria wouldn't really work now. Writing is often more clunky and awkward. Oh wait I deleted that post.

Well this is what I said:

Quinn don't need plastic surgery or any of that junk. She looks perfect, and so is Daria and my wife Jane as they have youth and beauty. Since Daria, Jane and Quinn are now grown adults, they age like fine wine. They still maintain their youth and beauty.

I think that might be because they are cartoons on a TV show that ended when they graduated high school.

I heard they were making a reboot but not sure if it happened. I'd watch a sequel if they could make it without ruining it because I like Jane and Daria's friendship a lot and think it would be fun to watch some TV show. If they made it live action Aubrey Plaza would have been a good choice for casting. Which is kind of predictable but I would have said that anyway:



But they couldn't do it now the entire show is too gen x and that kind of vibe ended around the mid 2000s.

Daria is one of the oldest millenials age wise I just mean the vibe of the show is more gen x in some ways (though there is millenial stuff happening too.) and Daria is a character that fits in more with media from that era like Lydia from Beetlejuice.

Millenial female characters can be similar like April Ludgate but Jess from New Girl seems to be more archetypal of the era. Someone who is less cynical and more scattered and chaotic.



Brunettes with glasses. Actually the manic pixie dream girl millenial trope thing was associated with unnatural dyed hair mostly though lol.

Actually that clip of her when she realises she's out of tea bags would be how I'd feel inside too because I have to drink tea when I wake up.



I'm talking about main characters too I guess. This is a millenial guy:



Oh wait I forgot they exist in the same universe lol:



I love Jess lol.

Also often even characters who are cynical and have a deadpan kind of delivery like April will still have this kind of arrested development + chaotic quirkyness built into their character:



It kind of reflected the stereotype of millenials in general but obviously based in truth to some extent.

But anyway that's not what I meant when I said it wouldn't work now really. The vibe would just end up being so different and the writing I imagine and they'd force moral messages or other things into it in a way that would conflict with characterisation or something. I feel like it would ultimately end up not working.

They spoonfeed the audience.

[Nyctophilia]

Almost half of gen Z viewers want less sex on screen, study finds

Adolescents also expressed dissatisfaction with several tropes, such as the expectation that male-female friends would fall in love. "There's a complete lack of platonic relationships in American cinema," wrote one respondent, a 17-year-old Black boy from Georgia. "I don't like that every boy and girl friendship has to be romantic at some point. Sometimes people can just be friends," said a 16-year-old white girl from the western US.

You know if you want an interesting male + female friendship you should watch 30 Rock with Liz and Jack. The friendship would never make sense in real life but the way it's written on the show makes it relatively easy to suspend disbelief. Leslie and Ron from Parks and Rec are also kind of similar but not exactly the same (and at that point their friendship is possibly the most unrealistic thing of all time lol considering their politics and personality type but yeah.)

Kind of spoilers btw:



"Romance industrial complex." Lol.



I liked Jake and Rosa on Brooklyn 99 too but that's less fleshed out and I sort of feel like Rosa and Amy would work well together but I like Jake and Amy too so in my head they're in some kind of weird 3 way relationship where Rosa and Jake aren't together at all because I like their friendship but they're both with Amy and tbh that would be super awkward and unrealistic irl and now I've ruined it for everyone reading this mwahaha. So yeah probably the other two I mentioned are better options.

I'm so glad they never turned them into anything more than friends, that's rare on tv with male and female main characters

Well there is Joey and Phoebe from F.R.I.E.N.D.S!

The entire main cast kissed each other at some point or other I think? Maybe there are some exceptions but most kissed each other (and yes that includes Ross and Monica by accident once off screen even though they're siblings.) Joey and Phoebe kissed before (several times actually and not just as a joke.)

Joey & Phoebe from Friends

Seriously why do people keep commenting this lol? Obviously they were never going to get together seriously and their friendship was nice but it's not particuarly a great example of a friendship with no romantic or sexual chemistry. I mean he even hooked up with her identical twin sister at one point.



Do you think they even watched the show lol? It is kind of long with 10 seasons.

Phoebe and Chandler didn't reallly have any romantic chemistry but they also didn't get as much screen time (I'd say they weren't that close but there are several moments that contradict that.)

the fact that they almost weren't characters is insane the show wouldn't be the same without them

so originally it was just going to be a show with Monica, Ross, Rachel, and Joey and Monica and Joey were gonna be the main couple and phoebe and chandler weren't gonna be in it then they thought about making Chandler and phoebe minor characters that came in every few episodes but scratched that idea and went with the group of six

That is insane they're my favourite characters on the show lol.

But I think that's because my personality is somewhat a fusion of the two.

The "What if you didn't get her a ring and you got her something random" thing is exactly the kind of nonsense I'd do lol. Also I'm very neurotic (like Chandler.)

Phoebe and Chandler are the kind of friends who only hang out coz they r in the same grp
Otherwise they r almost strangers
😂

There are some moments that contradict that and suggest they are closer but yeah I kind of recognise that vibe since I've been one of those people irl with a bunch of people before lol.

[Nyctophilia]

My favourite new thing is people posting

"No you don't have an impregnation kink that came free with your genetics"

And I'm like no I don't think my desire to impregnate or to be asked/begged to impregnate cute cis men, trans women and cis women came free with my XX chromosomes and [BEEP] somehow...

I think we can safely rule out genetics here lmfao. Unless it turns out I'm intersex/have a chromosomal abnormality but I think that's impossible because I have periods? Not 100% sure.

I'll ask JK Rowling her opinion as she's appointed herself arbiter once again recently I hear, and it seems to have become a pattern. I'm white though (and not a professional athlete,) so she'd probably say female LOL.

Unless you mean the atypical preference is genetic. Who knows? I will poll the surviving female members of my family (no lol.)

Oh that weird account I stumbled on a week or something ago is still weird:

Every single woman with a PhD and no [BEEP] children is a direct indictment of YOU! white man.

There's a reason these types don't exists in Latin America. Latino men aren't leaving their women in cold beds slowly educating.

BE👏 BETTER👏
There are ovulating women in libraries

Educated women don't have [BEEP] children and how dare you ruin the sacred eroticism of libraries fascist catgirl. !!1!@11!!!!!

Women (ish) with undergraduate degrees are busy stealing Chad (tms) cute harem twinks (no this really is part of a bunch of things I randomly wrote about this androgynous guy who is in this other guy's harem and then there's this female warrior and they are in the library):

"You were watching us earlier."

"It wasn't my intent, I was walking down the hall and the door was open I just-"

"No it's fine. I enjoyed it and my master didn't notice."

"Well I uh- I came in here to find a certain book actually for Rosemund and I shouldn't keep her waiting."

As she wandered off to attempt to find the book Rosemund requested he followed her around the shelves.

She attempted to ignore him but she found the edge of her gaze wandering to him repeatedly as she browsed the shelves. Against her better judgment.

His long brown hair looked incredibly soft and he was wearing a flowing white kimono embroided with white leaves. It was open, exposing his chest. He had such delicate features it made something in her heart ache a little.

The sunlight was making his hair glow and he seemed almost angelic standing there. If not for his mischevious eyes.

"I was watching you too."

"I noticed," She murmed distractedly. Paging through a book. Perhaps this was the one Rosemund had described?

"When I looked at you I imagined it was your cock that was fucking me."

She slammed shut the book she had open, placing it back on the shelf, and then picking up another.

Eventually.

Men too. I guess. They all want femboys now right? 😏

But you know *bane voice* they merely adopted that I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see heterosexuality until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!

'blinding' doesn't really work. I'm going to have to tweak that.

No one suspects the 5'2" white liberal woman of being a man and impregnating your girlfriend.

It's always the blonde white Liberal woman. 💀

OK but I stopped being blond after childhood and I stopped dying my hair unnatural colours before that became a meme online too. My hair is dark brown.

No one suspects the- ffs:



(this mundane aesthetic becoming controversial is still hilarious to me yeah.)

Starting to think the end game here is that everyone is evil. Fine. Accurate I guess.

Feel like I need a disclaimer on my posts 'not a trans woman' even where no one is reading this since people get so aggressively violent thinking trans women are people like me. Like I have to overemphasise I'm genetically female in case someone gets the wrong idea when I post anything androgynous sounding and decides to hate trans women even more (there's also the thing where it's annoying when someone assumes that "nobody who is genetically female can say/ do x thing.") I can't wait till society gets over that (never, but I can dream,) so I can just be non-binary.

Gaston did nothing wrong

I think he's pretty ugly right? But it's been a while since I've seen that cartoon. There aren't really any signficantly attractive Disney male characters though unless you count Howl Jenkins from Howl's Moving Castle.

In direct contrast to his adversary the Beast, Gaston is depicted as physically handsome with an unattractive personality, both physically and emotionally embodying hypermasculinity.

Makes sense.

I have [redacted] many of this type of broad. Only so much you can do when they're all on birth control and even then they would all abort if that failed. Easy to blame white men when women are the ones doing everything to not have children.

That's good I don't want you guys to reproduce collectively. (Not white men, men with his personality cluster.)

But I suppose as I try to be libertarian and not genocidal as part of my value system you can continue to try to do so. Even if an abundance of you means my own destruction.

This was uploaded 58 minutes ago lol:

Reminds me of how the last library chick I knew asked if I'd give her my sperm, in a completely detached and unloving donation of genetic material

Is library chick a stock character now lol?

How does anyone do anything about this?

Personality transplant.

I think that catgirl probably wants someone to get her pregnant though, perhaps even a lesbian, considering all the tweets:

I told all you guys the Lesbians wanted you to hit on them

All my evopsych theories, confirmed in one place

The decline of the "lesbian" tag is a core metric of the decline of western manhood.

In the 2000s men couldn't stand to see even a single dick. They wanted multiple women waiting alone for them

The rise of group and "femboy" shows the rising male/female trendline to 100% gay

Or she wants to get a lesbian pregnant, that would explain just as much. Especially the library thing. (And she doesn't have a dick so has to use someone else's.) I still don't approve.

You are supposed to become a scientist, turn your egg cells into sperm cells (there's existing research on this so you might want to steal that first,) recklessly forgo any kind of legalisation/ethics boards/excessive safety testing because you're a mad scientist/villain, and then use a strap on to get women pregnant. Just like those murderers who had a child in prison without having sex except not at all and you're having sex (yes the 'she had sex with a male prison guard and got pregnant many such cases' storyline is a simpler explanation of what happened there but that's not a fun narrative. No one's going to make a film about that.)

She wouldn't meet the cut of being a woman by right wing men either mind you as I said before:

women who are proudly and openly right wing are messed up. It's like dating a dude.

They're onto you!



"It should have been given away by the e-girl eyeliner. Is she wearing cat ears and it's just cropped out?"

cat-girl gender.

So I should knock up another one?? I'm not liking the way this is looking. I don't know how many kids I can afford but 2 will be off child support in 2 years.. one already is so technically 3 more but that's not a solution

I'm not surprised you guys are incapable of finding a woman who wants to stay in a relationship with you.

He retweeted some news story that crowd are reacting to where a conventionally attractive blond woman had an affair with some famous black guy I'd never heard of and had twins. I don't approve of people cheating but the degree of meltdown is funny but yeah they're fucked up and hyper sexist btw (not even quoting the worst stuff):

Girls get sexually aroused at doing the wrong thing, the thing that would most betray her father's wishes. I think it's the same impulse as a [BEEP] test. She's testing the male figures in her life to see what her boundaries are, and what behavior you'll accept. If you refuse to set boundaries because of women's lib and the internalized feminism we've all absorbed, you'll apparently see your race go extinct in short order.

Anyway, we don't have to get to the root of this psychological sickness, just acknowledge that it is inherent in female biology and do what men have done in every successful ethnic group for all of human history: strictly control women's behavior.

I was chatting with a Pakistani Uber driver recently, and we were talking about western women's whorishness. He said, "oh yes, if our women act like American women, we kill them!" I'm not advocating violence like this, but women need to get some limits placed on their acceptable behavior again.

"One woman had an affair with a black guy. We must repress all women."

I'm a bit jealous/envious but I'll never reach this level haha. They're something else.

"I'm an ethno nationalist. I take all my advise from my Pakistani uber driver."

"If you force all women against their will to have sex/children and give them no other option like the taliban then they'll have sex/children."

Wow. Amazing.

This is why educated women don't reproduce much and don't reproduce with 'low status (tm)' men tbh.

I'm not going to quote some of the other comments but they get more insane believe me. They more than deserve anything harsh I say.

Im kind

No you are definitely not that.

You also identify with and envy the non-white men you all hate which is very ironic.

All the ways of controlling women's behavior and saving civilization are illegal and come with serious prison time.

[more concerns about white guys being erased by interracial relationships.]

This guy is an anomaly as he's famous. Black guys struggle dating non-black women more than white guys do. Your failure has nothing to do with race. The problem is definitely not that you're not violent or controlling enough lol.

Also this just isn't how genetics or culture works... If white people have kids their genetics are still passed on. You can find black nationalists online who do the same thing regarding genetics that these guys do lol as well. Very dumb.

Islam is right about women

Yep, that's what all beta men think

I'd prefer being a beta in a society that has its women under control 100x over being chad in the western world while women run around being [promiscuous and/or LGBT+ basically]

Unironically yeah when it comes to any sexist stuff. Although calling them beta is misleading as it suggests they would be a good option for parenthood or that they're cute or something. Low status men have to resort to these tactics, high status guys can just sort of sit around and women come to them lol. You can replace status with attractive if you like.

The correct path for low status men who can't become attractive as men for whatever reason is to be women, or at least cute/feminine, not whatever this joke is. Then if that still doesn't work (and it won't because of the personality situation.) I have no advice for you. Go watch porn, play video games, join a cult. Oh wait I guess you sort of did in a sense. Well be more interesting (high openness,) about it (everything.)

I want to see more [redacted] and aliens.



I want to see you on a street corner yelling about something so absurd that it makes me laugh for months.

Of course the real problem is some of them have kids and wives/girlfriends and are still doing this. Horrifying.

Like JK Rowling and Elon Musk.

It's just so crazy. If I had a fraction of her money I'd [BEEP] off into the sunset and no one would ever hear from me again, but she thinks being a full time twitter keyboard warrior is a good use of her time.

Like ghosts that still have unfinished business. I'm starting to think the answer is not in having children and becoming billionaires.



Same energy:

This is totally a thing. I dated a friend once - big mistake - and what ruined it for me is he started treating me like I was below him when we dated. As friends we were equal. It was fucked.

That's so interesting. You'd think dating a friend would have the same dynamic just with an added layer of romance...

But it changed so drastically

Horrifying. This is why Heathcliff and Cathy were doomed lol.

And not even that one fanfic where Cathy was pegging Heathcliff could save them.



Cyborg Jane Eyre could have saved them.

You know you don't have to read the whole book to come to Phoebe's conclusion either lol as I didn't. But I would say it applies to their relationship and Cathy as well.

Well close enough:

"I like Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights because I like badboys"


Oh you mean you didn't decide that Heathcliff was some kind of eldritch fairy creature tied to the moors and Catherine is a changeling and it's like they're the only beings in the universe who are like each other and also connected to the chaotic natural landscape which exists only as a liminal space, based on a few random quotes + some fanfiction + someone's headcannon about Catherine you found while googling about Heathcliff being a fairy or something + personal headcannon stuff, while not actually reading the book or even watching a film adaptation? (I read a small part of the book lol.)


And it also reminds you of The Forsworn from The Elder Scrolls universe (Skyrim,) a bit?



(I don't want to continously edit in based on my headcannon - especially since I haven't read the book - into this post so just assume that when I say anything lol.)


Hmm.



I like the landscape a lot. It makes me feel more connected to the idea of it. I tend to like landscapes a lot. Like my fixation on the North American desert landscape and cacti.



[..]

In a way it's very nostalgic because it reminds me of Patrick Wolf's music a bit and other things like that that I discovered more recently.



(Entirely irrelevant but I just realised there's a little cactus on the piano lol.)

[...]

But personally I think it's also like Lilith and Samael from kabbalistic stuff and so that's why I would, without reading it, assume there's some kind of romantic overtone even if it's doomed. This most likely was not intentional either. It's just Humans do the same thing over and over creatively depending on their personality type.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

The marriage of Samael and Lilith is known as the "Angel Satan" or the "Other God", but it was not allowed to last. To prevent Lilith and Samael's demonic children Lilin from filling the world, God castrated Samael. In many 17th century Kabbalistic books, this seems to be a reinterpretation of an old Talmudic myth where God castrated the male Leviathan and slew the female Leviathan in order to prevent them from mating and thereby destroying the Earth with their offspring.[85] With Lilith being unable to fornicate with Samael anymore, she sought to couple with men who experience nocturnal emissions.

I just found this as well:


https://creativematter.skidmore.edu/...=eng_stu_schol

Lilith and Samael wander the Yorkshire moors in Emily Bronte's multigenerational, incestuous, hellish, and only novel: Wuthering Heights. Sandra Gilbert and Susan Gubar argue that Wuthering Heights is Emily Bronte's feminist response to Milton's Paradise Lost (1667). They read Bronte's novel as "a topsy-turvy retelling of Milton's and Western culture's central tale of the fall of woman and her shadow self, Satan" (359). The Original Catherine is their topsy-turvy Eve. Gilbert and Gubar argue that Wuthering Heights outlines an ascent from sin to purity rather than a fall from grace. I find Gilbert and Gubar's argument compelling, though I am hesitant to view Catherine as an Eve-like figure.

The cast-aside Catherine finds joy in the harsh heath just as the diminished Lilith finds solace by the desolate and demon-infested Red Sea. Both women find comfort in inhospitable landscapes because their wild spirits need space to rule and roam. The connection between the moors and Hell appears in Catherine's dream: "Heaven did not seem to be my home; and I broke my heart with weeping to come back to earth; and the angels were so angry that they flung me out, into the middle of the heath on the top of Wuthering Heights; where I woke sobbing for joy" (63). God and the cherubim block Lilith from Heaven, the angels toss Catherine back onto the moors, and Bronte brings Hell to Yorkshire.

If the moors are Hell, then Heathcliff and Catherine are their Samael and Lilith. The Zohar and Talmud present different origin stories, but they both understand that Lilith and Samael must unite; whether the Blind Dragon brings them together or they enter the world as the inverted Adam and Eve, Lilith and Samael are destined to unite and rule Hell together. Catherine and Heathcliff do not enter the world as an androgynous pair, but there is a preternatural connection amongst them and the moors

There were devils in the winds that night
Walking fire among the hills
And many voices called me out to the cliffs
But you held me safe
You wrestled me still

Just listen to (British) music regularly, read fanfiction, read some quotes, and don't read Vogue next time.

edit: I genuinely believe that with the vast majority of their complaints you could replace the word woman with 'liberal' not only that but 98% of the time they say women they really mean 'liberal women.' Figuring that out seems to be key to ending/avoiding the gender war however - and I don't want to be conspiratorial about it - the media is pumping out a lot of 'women are all liberals' and 'men are all conservative' 'gender gap' kind of content. Well these political positions have flipped around many times throughout history for starters (hardly inherent then,) and the gap is also often overstated tbh including by me if I want to weaponise it against annoying conservative men. Also on top of that the flags increasingly mean nothing I think. There are very obvious personality traits that map onto certain political 'teams' or they did, but now don't or at least dont' as much (and this is also reflected in the direction and decisions made made by both of the US's major political parties too over the past decade but I'm also seeing some weirdness somewhat in the UK. But it's too early to say about the most recent thing since politicians always lie anyways,) and so you just have a clusterfuck that's been written about here (one person's take on it perhaps someone else could do a better more neutral job of it but I feel like they've got the gist):

https://status451.com/2017/11/05/i-see-trad-people/

None of the maps seem to fit the territories anymore, and it's quite perplexing if you wish to make sense of today's politics.

Why did the tech-savvy gray tribe abandon its absolute devotion to the free flow of information? Why are right wing traditionalists irreverently worshipping pagan gods and dadaist humor? Why do left wing gender egalitarians so staunchly oppose men's rights? How on earth did the sexual revolution lead to a supposed rape culture?

Dig past the surface and it?s contradiction after contradiction. Focusing on communists on one side or fascists on the other doesn?t help, nor does redirecting the blame onto the globalists / bankers / trolls / russians / ? Blue and red, purple and green, they?ve slowly but surely started to blur together, and we need to look elsewhere.

I've talked about the religious dimension of this conflict before, how there are obvious parallels between contemporary political practice on the left and religious ritual. Today I'd like to recast this a bit towards a related concept: tradition and orthodoxy.

I think this is more or less the situation. I don't think entirely throwing out the 'troll' and 'psyop' and 'COINTELPRO' explanations makes sense though. It would be odd if there were no shenanigans going on based on history:

COINTELPRO (a syllabic abbreviation derived from Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert and illegal[1][2] projects conducted between 1956 and 1971 by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations that the FBI perceived as subversive.[3][4][5][6] Groups and individuals targeted by the FBI included feminist organizations,[7][8] the Communist Party USA,[9] anti-Vietnam War organizers, activists in the civil rights and Black power movements (e.g., Martin Luther King Jr., the Nation of Islam, and the Black Panther Party), environmentalist and animal rights organizations, the American Indian Movement (AIM), Chicano and Mexican-American groups like the Brown Berets and the United Farm Workers, and independence movements (including Puerto Rican independence groups such as the Young Lords and the Puerto Rican Socialist Party). Although the program primarily focused on organizations that were part of the broader New Left, they also targeted white supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan[10][11] and the National States' Rights Party.[12]

Surely they would be taking the opportunity now with the power/influence of the internet?

Like this (one of the latest I stumbled on well there were two accounts but only really quoting one):

We got trans groypers before GTA 6

That's not a groyper. We keep our tr**ns and femboys hidden from the public.

True she should be in my basement, not on twitter

No you really don't.

(I like how it took 2 seconds of looking at groyper trolls profile to find multiple trans groyper accounts lol.)

Tgirl groyper🏳️*⚧️
Estronationalist🏳️*⚧️
MDNI!
t4t(i am a transbian)
DMS OPEN
Pre-Op and starting HRT this November💉🚺⚕
Use the word Madame!❤

I was transphobic and now im Trans. Groyper curse..✊😔🏳️*⚧️

im literally a trans groyper

how come you guys occupy the extreme ends of both left and right? I really want to hear your perspective lol

I dont know why trans gals fall so easily for men... smh...

I cant understand men that dont want to transition??🏳️*⚧️

I just realised i h8 men..

An Trans girl just blocked me cuz im right wing? Smh..

As I said before 'yeah good luck with that' lol.

It's kind of fascinating but also frustrating.

Spotting the individual reversals is not that hard, but getting them acknowledged is going to be a very tall order. There is too much invested in the flags themselves to seriously consider who's waving them.

[Nyctophilia]

Lol somehow just learning this but Crowley gave his daughter the edgiest female name ever:

Nuit Ma Ahathoor Hecate Sappho Jezebel Lilith Crowley (1904-1906)

Apparently she died when she was 2. I just found an alternate history reddit page where someone proposed this:

What if Aleister Crowley's firstborn daughter survived, grew up to become a full-fledged witch woman, and won the ear of a certain Royal?

Lilith, Mother Goddess of All Albion, born Nuit Ma Ahathoor Hecate Sappho Jezebel Lilith Crowley (July 28, 1904 - February 6, 1952) was Queen Regent of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Empire from 20 January 1936 until her passing in 1952. Prior to this, she was a British mystic and self-proclaimed witch who befriended the royal family, gaining considerable influence before marrying Edward VIII. She was the firstborn daughter of English occultist Aleister Crowley and his partner Rose Edith Kelly. Historians often suggest that Lilith's scandalous and sinister reputation helped alter the course of the British monarchy, and accounts of her life and influence were often based on hearsay and rumour, going so far as to say that she had hypnotised Edward into marrying her and subsequently gaining control of the throne.

So basically she's a British Rasputin?

Ra Ra Rasputina

They created a pretty good cover of Marilyn Manson's Tourniquet:

David Bowie was also a big fan of Crowley - he mentions him in the song 'Quicksand', and was very influenced by Crowley's magic techniques, symbolism, and superman philosophy. Bowie was deep into the occult in the 1970s, particularly during the making of 'Station to Station' when he feared he'd invoked an evil demon, and that witches were trying to steal his semen to make a Satanic love-child (no, really).

Lol. I mean sort of I guess.

This seems to be related too:

David Bowie used to store his urine in a fridge as he feared that Jimmy Page and a satanic coven planned to steal his bodily fluids to conceive the Antichrist

https://www.loudersound.com/news/dav...ven-antichrist

Cocaine is one hell of a drug.

'The only way we can speed up the sort of liberalism that's hanging foul in the air at the moment is to speed up the progress of a right-wing, totally dictatorial tyranny and get it over as fast as possible.'

You know Nick Land argued the same thing, while doing loads of amphetamines.

"We have to accelerate."

It's Not A Side Effect of the Cocaine

Yeah but... It kind of is though at least a little bit lol. It can't be a coincidence.

https://infinitediscontent.substack....utm_medium=web

Bowie's explanation may be a disingenuous excuse for appalling behaviour. He never explained this 'truth.' Nor did he elucidate his remarks. Despite his evasions, Bowie's fascism reveals something vital about the liberal societies of the 1970s. It is the same truth we see today in Kanye West who samples Bowie's Hitler-love in a new context. Liberalism and fascism, Bowie said and Kanye says, are linked. The ideologies unconsciously draw on one another. They are codependent in some way.

A boring answer would be 'horseshoe theory' of course that's not the classic definition. Liberalism is not 'far left.' Also I feel like that's basically just 'narcissism of small differences' repackaged slightly. There's not much support for 'horseshoe theory' either.

Well when answering this question previously:

I was transphobic and now im Trans. Groyper curse..✊😔🏳️*⚧️

im literally a trans groyper

how come you guys occupy the extreme ends of both left and right? I really want to hear your perspective lol

I said this:

It's the trolling, cocaine and social anomie.

Don't think it's too far off. Plus mental illness.

"The Supermen," the first fruit of this new infatuation, isn't as much future prediction as it is primordial memory, with overmen at the dawn of time on their "loveless isle," playing and battling (which seem to be one and the same). It's akin to Donovan's "Atlantis," from 1968, but where Donovan had envisioned the few survivors of Atlantis bestowing art and civilization upon the human race, Bowie's supermen are brutes, nightmare Teutonic demigods. In a 1976 interview, Bowie called the song "pre-fascist."

I'm interested in the 'loveless isle' part.

You know Death Grips sampled that:



They have a song that samples Charles Manson talking too:



I haven't listened to most of their music but I think it's influenced somewhat by occultism and unconcious thought processes. In terms of how they write the lyrics to some stuff like this especially (and I've commented on this before this was also the unfinished version of a later track called Hacker):

[Heelsbythebridge]

You would think after wanting to die everyday for over a year would be enough for your body to psychosomatically go into heart failure and shut down.

[Otherside]

Do not understand why people keep on going to Turkey for surgery. Every other day there seems to be a "Brit abroad has plastic surgery. Now has life threatening medical issues and will probably have them for the rest of there life." And they're the lucky ones, considering that "Brit abroad dies because of botched surgery" is another one that is common.

Maybe it's just me, but somebody cutting you open for bargain basement price plastic surgery? Yeah no, cheap is probably not what you want.

Turkey teeth is another one, I will never understand the appeal of filing down teeth and then sticking crownsnon every single one. Apparently very painful.

[Nyctophilia]

Yay I found another Charlotte/Samantha (Sex and The City) fanfic. Or this one has been updated. Looks like he started it in August which was around the time I was looking before.

Weird how most of these fanfics on AO3 were uploaded in the last couple of years. Maybe because of the sequel show I'm not watching. There are some fics on ff.net too but not that many and maybe one I think with this pairing can't remember.

Also this one was written by a guy I think. Second guy I've stumbled on recently it's very rare for guys to write fanfiction.

Also the other fanfic I found on AO3 have this bio which cracked me up:

two people running this acc <3

we are very mentally ill!

They didn't finish their fanfic:

I know not many people ship them,BUT I hope you all enjoy this little story anyways!

Understatement.

A tiktok edit and several more later and I now found myself on board this ship sailing magnificently under ur writing. The characterization is fantatsic amd ahhh the plot and Charlotte's reaction at the end chefs kiss

I really wanted to avoid joining tiktok (not because it's 'new' but it just seems there's a lot of toxicity and it's probably easy to end up watching bs. It's bad enough that I use twitter,) but I'm worried that's the fandom website now. I don't think people upload to YT as often and Tumblr obviously has a much smaller userbase these days and some things are more popular than others.

[Nyctophilia]

I've been on T for about 2 years now. I started when I was 30, and I haven't seen much progress. My voice only went down slightly and I don't have any facial hair to speak of. Even so, my previous relationship crumbled due to me transitioning and it hurts even more since she was trans herself. She laughed at each name I picked out, mocked me trying to voice train, and called me a [BEEP] for asking for help with injections. She even called me a sex-freak for having changes to my libido, and would even follow me to the restroom to make sure I wasn't masturbating, as she said I should only be "in the mood" when it was to get her off. Even though I was out to her for 2 years before I started hormones, she still misgendered me up until our breakup and it was clear that she never saw me as anything other than a cis woman.

We broke up but ever since I feel like my transition is something that will put off people for the rest of my life. I don't pass, and I fear that if I get in a relationship I will only be viewed as woman. I don't want to put off connections until I pass, as I worry I never will. Even if I pass, I've heard so much about how being ftm is the "worst of both worlds" with no tits and no dick, and I know that's transphobic as hell but I am scared about just how many people have that view. I'm scared to make new friends and meet new people, and have been mostly isolating myself ever since.

Has anybody else with this feeling had any improvement? How do I get comfortable with the feeling that I might be alone forever? Does anybody have any advice? Most of the time I just feel suicidal and feel like I've ruined any chances I have at a relationship or love in general as I feel like I'll never be anything but a failed, ugly woman to most people.

I've come across trans women with this attitude on social media a bunch so it doesn't surprise me to hear she was trans. She also sounds abusive in general. I'm sure the general misandry among trans and [BEEP] spaces contributes.

The worst of both worlds thing is definitely how a lot of people seem to feel (though not everyone,) and I had this discussion with a trans guy years ago on discord about how trans guys are desexualised basically among other things.

There are a bunch of people who aren't attracted to men in the first place and only tolerate cis ones with a certain masculine aesthetic + dick who fit a certain archetype to validate their femininity and/or womanhood. 'I'm hot + a woman because Chad wants me.' More self aware people like Contrapoints figure that out and stop. But either way trans guys can't validate them and so are seen as less in a sexual sense.

I've seen cis guys who say they only have sex with men for this reason to validate their kink for being a woman (their self description,) and that they're also into trans and cis women but not trans guys because they don't see them as men.

I hate when people say they are gay and just repressed they are not gay! They're not even really bisexual. Trying to change the power dynamic as a distraction and it stops us being able to have discussions about this problem.

It's definitely influenced in part my decision not to medically transistion though there are a bunch of things contributing to that decision. I think if you can't talk about the issues trans guys (a mostly invisible group,) face socially etc then you can't really make an informed decision.

A lot of people (women anyway there are different issuse with men,) who would date a trans guy are allergic to masculinity or they just hate men.

I think some trans guys who date women want to avoid thinking about that like Sam Collins. His girlfriend is exactly the type (the type who hate men not masculinity obviously,) and they spoke about that in podcast episodes how she's just rude to random guys and he had to ask her to stop.

She looks hot though so I can't imagine why he puts up with it lol.... A real mystery.

I see other people have noticed too. I don't even watch his or their content reguarly. It still came up in the few videos I watched. Of course they're discussing it in light of 'her transphobia' and not just you know. The blatant misandry lol.

I think it's valid to be put off by that. I remember wayyy back in one of the earlier episodes, she was talking about how she mostly had girlfriends and that she couldn't stand men, and at one point said "i hate men" and sam just kinda went quiet. I don't think i described it well but the way she said it, and the timing of it was strange because i thought "well aren't you dating a man right now??" And in the past she constantly spoke about being a lesbian. It was just so odd to me. But i dont know. It's possible we're looking too into it but i found it odd. So that mixed with her recent comments, is the same vibe i?ve gotten too

I don't think she's a lesbian. She's bisexual and hates men.

I watch this androgynous lesbian YouTuber who was dating someone almost exactly like her but genderfluid - also also talked about hating men at one point. It came up less though in her content but she had the same kind of... Vibe. And presentation kinda. It's weird but at this point I've come across this same type of person several times so I'm developing something like gaydar for this genre of woman lol.

Unsurprisingly the more androgynous woman did not share her level of animosity despite having similar gen z progressive social politics.

They broke up and she's now dating someone else long distance. Which might be for the best.

I'm not saying all women who date androgynous women and trans men are like this, not even all women who have that preference. Like Strange Aeons seems chill and has had several girlfriends who are androgynous her current one is really butch but then she's also Canadian and not American. I don't know what they're putting in the water supply over there.

The vibe though is like.. Nancy from 90s film the The Craft? Or just this kind of vaguely bitchy energy. It's so weird lol but I've seen it many times in younger women. And I know people will like fixate on the alternative thing because they often present that way - actually Sam's girlfriend is only mildly alternative at best. But no that's not the thing. It really is just a vibe.

I've had horrible vibes from her for a while. She comes off like a mean girl who's incredibly self centered. I feel like Sam is in a bad relationship and in all of his videos since this relationship started he seems drunk. Plus apparently they've both been acting horrible on twitter. It doesn't surprise me she's one of those "identifies as a lesbian and then dates a trans guy and still says she hates men" people. It seems like Sam is in the "an insanely hot girl likes me time to go with anything she wants and let her ruin my life" pipeline tbh.

Lol I'm glad it's not just me who had noticed. I was going to try to be open minded before because I know some people just have off putting energy (and also people have a tendency to attack people's girlfriends,) but she really has said a bunch of misandric stuff. And I know it's pretty much just fashionable for people below a certain age. I also have some amount of sympathy from just reading the insane [BEEP] men are posting on social media all the time which pisses me off but yeah it's not good.

I'm not entirely surprised though that he's putting up with it. Because she is very conventionally attractive, and I've seen trans guys online put up with worse/infantilising kind of crap. He might even get a self esteem boost out of the fact that he's some kind of exception.

It reminds me of this tweet some trans women posted though (especially because I remember him saying in a video he'd had an ex with BPD before):

"trans man who's willing to tacitly misgender himself to win an argument or perhaps in exchange for a hot and spicy mcchicken" is literally such an enduring type of guy lmao

ok but they [BEEP] like crazy, that 'win at all costs' all his friends are tumblr girls with bpd phenotype of dude is literally an animal in bed

And I used to talk to this type of guy but he got into abusive relationships that way and even came to the conclusion that let's put it this way most of the women who chase after trans guys and butch women are messed up. So he was trying to date 'the real normie straight women (tm)' ones but then he was on fetlife and talking about how he was thinking about changing his gender to date women there looking for butch women because he couldn't find any who were into trans guys at a certain point in time while browsing accounts..... I don't know he was young and stupid. At the time I was about 27 and he was 20.

In that sense I don't necessarily have much sympathy for Sam either lol. (Sam is also in his late 20s.)

Someone should write a song like this but for guys:

[Nyctophilia]

I'm stumbling on this very late but oh... OK:



The top comment from Anthony Fantano lmfao.

If the guys straight conservative men are into get any more masculine/less twinky (age thing) I'm going to have to start whiteknighting.

"Sir I'm afraid you're not allowed to talk about the guys I find cute that way."

"Only I'm allowed to objectify cute guys."

"And Simon Amstell, I think he really gets 'it' and he's openly gay"



Going to be worse than a group of swifties/kpop stans.

Hey wait he must be the guy I was writing about in my harem story that I mentioned yesterday (it's not really a story I wrote like a couple of things in 2023, as if I'd ever finish anything.)

Gonna steal the cute guy who looks like Geddy Lee from your harem straight guy. As was prophesied.

He can't be the 'guy with the harem' actually because that guy didn't come across this pathetic. Sorry you're being recast.

No I'm dying:



Is that still on his page? No they've tweaked it a bit lol:

On November 4, 2024, O'Neill was criticized online for his sexually charged reply to a tweet publicizing five young men's vote for Kamala Harris in the 2024 United States presidential election.[29] To the original tweet stating that "real men support Harris", O'Neill replied: "You're not men. You're boys. If there was no social media, you would be my concubines."[30]

For real though this is the biggest self own I've ever seen. 😂

Either he just admitted he thinks they're hot which is hardly an insult, or he believes that his attraction degrades other people and is an insult. Of course a lot of guys think that - it's the puritanical root of our culture. You lose if you have sex with men.

He also also posted this and deleted it

I mean only people with massochistic fetishes about being degraded would have sex with you. So fair point.

Not sure if he's admitting to his cannibalism fetish here or just assumes these guys are great cooks. I hope so I hate cooking. An even bigger plus.

Robert: "And they enjoy cooking too. And they have long hair. And they have a pet rabbit."

Oh yeah keep going. Does the woman come in while he's cooking and then [redacted] I listened to that one before.

"I'd much rather be baking cookies than putting up with people I hate all day."

I can see why he deleted that one.

Speaking of that audio:

"edging" sticking out your gyatt for the rizzler, you're so skibidi, you're so fanum tax, i just wanna be your sigma.

I really don't speak gen z so I have no idea what most of this comment means. I feel like they went out of there way to write it in gen z too lol.

[Nyctophilia]

They haven't been paying much attention I guess? She's brought up Paglia multiple times lol. I think she deleted this but it was the funniest response:





("Simultaneously entertaining and boring as fuck" is actually a great description of her lol.)

"Testosterone would have saved him"

LOL someone else remembered that.

this is literally so real and all of "her" writing finally made sense to me when i realized it

She vaguely identifies as a woman but she's called herself trans in interviews before and said she's never once identified as a woman. I don't think testosterone would have helped her really but it is basically part of her frustration in life.

I mean there are a lot of men who are equally unhappy and neurotic like Jordan Peterson.

I agree with her on some things and think she made some interesting observations about sexuality that have since been reflected in research at a time when no one was talking about them. I also think that her desire to be contrarian and say everything in the most inflammatory and absolutist way possible probably wasn't very productive in getting people to listen to what she was saying. I also don't agree with her about everything though.

She talked about how she struggled to find relationships for a really long time but wasn't bad looking at all back then (by [BEEP] dating standards of course):

I was a lesbian before gay lib. I was openly lesbian in college, I went to college in '64 to '68, and the gay lib thing broke out in '69. At Yale graduate school, I was the only open lesbian from '68 to '72. The only one. And I took the career price for that. I shoved my lesbianism down people's throats when I wasn't getting any pleasure from it; I couldn't find anyone to be with! There is the irony, I took all the negatives without any of the positives! I tried. I tried to pick up women, I tried. In 1969 I traveled Europe with the handbook, the gay guide to Europe. I went from place to place, every city, and I thought, "What is the problem here?" All the gay men are finding contacts everywhere! You can't avoid it! Bus terminals, toilets, diners, everywhere! Finally I had to conclude, after so many decades of frustration, that lesbians are not looking for sex. It's not about sex. They think it's about sex. It's about mommy! It's about mommy is what it's about!

If she had a different personality, was less risk averse, or was young now she would have had a pretty easy time I think.

I think I said this in another post but I found this interview (and some other things she said,) interesting because research since this time had noticed bisexual women (as a group not all) are more sexually excitable than lesbian or heterosexual women. But saying all women are naturally bisexual is basically crap and not backed up by research even, since some women are exclusively aroused by women.

You're not taking the emergence of the radical lesbian sex movement into account.

That's not true. What I'm saying, though, is sex-positive lesbianism has to lead to bisexuality. There is no sex-positive lesbianism that excludes response to men. I believe women are naturally bisexual. My vision is of a universal bisexuality for women. This lesbian feminism, now twenty years on line, is a disaster. Part of women's power is their power over men.

It's much harder for men. Male sexuality is much more complicated. This idea that male homosexuality is inborn is bullshit. This is bullshit!

Recent research:

Bisexual women exhibit personality traits and sexual behaviors more similar to those of heterosexual males than heterosexual women, including greater openness to casual sex and more pronounced dark personality traits. These are less evident or absent in homosexual individuals.
This reddit comment cracked me up so I'm including it:

That title really reads like being bi turns women into awful people. You know, like men.

Yes that is how society functions. Thank you for noticing.


They also included 'mostly heterosexual' women since a lot of women won't use the label bisexual. Which cracked me up too tbh (not the only study I've seen doing this recently. Though some find differences between bisexual and 'mostly heterosexual' women so they're not technically entirely the same group depending on what you're studying.)

When examining sexual orientation differences, the researchers found notable patterns, particularly among females. Mostly heterosexual and bisexual females demonstrated elevated levels of sociosexuality and sexual excitation compared to their exclusively heterosexual counterparts. They also scored higher in psychopathy.


"There are now several replications showing that mostly heterosexual women are higher in trait psychopathy than other sexual orientation groups," Semenyna noted. "Psychopathy in this context just means being less concerned with other people's feelings, social expectations, and having lower impulse control. Mostly heterosexual women score more like heterosexual men on this trait, but it's not clear why. It could just be that these women are less concerned about what others think of them, and less constrained by social mores that would view same-sex attraction or behavior negatively."

interestingly, exclusively homosexual females did not exhibit the same increases in sociosexuality and sexual excitation, indicating that mostly heterosexual and bisexual females form distinct groups.

Among males, the findings were somewhat different. Mostly heterosexual males showed higher levels of sexual excitation compared to exclusively heterosexual males. However, there were no significant differences in sociosexuality or Dark Triad traits between homosexual and heterosexual males.

Homosexual males did exhibit higher levels of sexual inhibition, aligning more closely with female-typical patterns. This indicates that while mostly heterosexual and bisexual males may be more sexually excitable, exclusively homosexual males show increased caution and inhibition in sexual contexts.

I liked when she called herself a pervert celibate deviant voyeur that was very 'she's just like me fr' of her:



"Well I'm a bisexual lesbian who's also monastic, celibate you know. Pervert, deviant, voyeur."

#1 did it bother anyone else when Contrapoints said spirituality fills a feminine need for her whereas science fulfills a masculine rational need, right after she described how a specific spiritual experience felt like being "fucked by the universe"?

One more thing,

[ppl who watched Twilight skip this para: DHSM is Contra's term for this niche idea you may have encountered in the fringes like femininity equals passive, surrendering, conquered vs masculinity = viceversa & BASED ]

I haven't watched that video yet and actually didn't finish watching the Twilight one or a bunch of her other patreon ones. I should at some point. What does DHSM stand for though? Sounds like an acronym.

Being a woman in STEM it makes me feel... not great when people equate science and math with masculinity. Not to mention that women have worked in all science fields since the beginning and often had their work stolen or disparaged before being proven right much later

Funnily enough since it's become kind of a stereotype for trans women to be in STEM it doesn't seem super masculine, I've definitely seen people argue that technology is feminine (trans women mostly.) It has always seemed more androgynous to me in the first place.

Donna Haraway was referencing this kind of

Feminine = natural, spiritual, "goddess"

Masculine = technological, rational, scientific

idea back in the 80s with The Cyborg Manifesto. It's a problematic dichotomy, obviously, but one that's so long standing that it's not surprising that it would seem into anyone's consciousness and self-image. Haraway side steps it neatly with the idea of a cyborg; something that's a mix of natural and artificial. The last line of The Cyborg Manifesto is "I would rather be a cyborg than a goddess."

That's all just to say that the feminine/spiritual and masculine/technological pairing has been noodled on in feminist theory for a long time. But academic noodlings take a long time to filter out into lived/felt culture, if they ever do at all.

Funny if true (not read her work,) because I've seen trans women who are kind of descendents from that general philosophy and antihumanism to some extent flip it entirely. Like Nyx Land in her gender accelerationist black paper where she associates masculinity with primitivism.

Though according to her own logic if a cyborg is a combination of feminine and masculine it would be, once again, androgynous.

Then again (someone else from that general bubble):

people's reaction to nick land and yukio mishima tells me pretty much everything i need to know about them. immediately hostile and calling them both fascists: probably not that interesting to talk to.
total replyguy for nick: tiny souled bugman

somebody who hates the concept of acceleration and tries to frame things in a more humanist lens or a mark fisher stan: i get why but its so narcissistic
people who just wish we had sadie plant and nick lands' cyberpositive in 2023: so cool

people who think xenofeminism, l/acc, laboria cuboniks, or any of the other dead ends are worth discussing: honestly probably just very enthusiastic queer/afab/tenderkweer transhumanists looking for a niche

i think amy ireland is cool, i wish sadie plant would come back, other than that i just feel bored. cis feminists seem to have abandoned anti-humanist perspectives

where are my firestonian queens, why is it all tgirls. it feels bad to call this a sausage fest but it really feels like cis feminists are not interested in an antihumanist perspective and thats sad. i wanna see uncouth lesbian trans women and cis women being problematic tgether

it just feels like the sum of all radical feminist antihumanist knowledge has been transferred into the souls of terminally online Lain pfp trans women... im frustrated because there must be something wrong if cis women dont give a [BEEP] about it anymore

antihumanism is male brained lol

maybe all the antihumanist afabs went ftm. maybe theres a ton of antihumanist perspectives they're just total schizo zoomer tboys locked in a basement in the midwest somewhere

feel free to QRT me if im wrong or just totally oblivious on this one.

I am afab non-binary lol. I don't subscribe to this either just find it interesting.

youre my XX king i want to degrade the foundations of reason and defile the values of the enlightenment with you

I don't know who she was talking to here lol cause it sounds like she was talking to someone but then there's no tweet, but that's great.

I've also gotten somewhat off topic but just thinking of cyberfeminism, xenofeminism, other philosophical stuff.

It's also kind of disembodied in a sense. Being associated with computers and all that tends to freak out people who, I tend to think of as masculine (derogatory.) You can certainly make the case that this is still masculine just a different genre of masculine as many people do. Especially when it's a woman who is into that stuff they'd argue she's masculine. Many people identify with masculinity and want to be more masculine so will say it's masculine (I get that because I'm in that state of mind sometimes.) But in a kind of universal sense? Not really to me.

If I think about the aesthetic of rationality I think about like vulcans who are androgynous and elves again androgynous (and vulcans are literally space elves,) where as klingons are masculine and to me (as someone who's not a big fan of Star Trek so don't kill me) seem very emotional and irrational (they're basically just space orcs though so they have a honour culture etc.) So you can really define things in any way you want.

I think she feels in her subconscious that there Is a male quality to science and a female quality to spirituality (or how she perceives them)

And that we shoudn't lump togheter stuff that aren't necessarily associated like gender and power dinamics: es you can be a submissive man

So I don't think she is contradicting herself it's just that she's noticing that a "gendered" lens can be applied to a lot of stuff (like how a person with Synesthesia can get reminded of colors hearing some worlds: 3 Is not a blue color but for some people It Is).

I in part share her opinion, science feels male to me somehow, and I guess I was raised a Cristian so I will say the idea of the godfather architect of the universe feels "male", whereas Jesus that suffered for out sins feels "female".

Ignore Jordan Peterson

Yeah... I find it fascinating that people have even developed this association in the first place though because of my own perception/messages I got from stuff.

Spirituality really depends on the spirituality in question. But I know people tend to associate a lot of that with women specifically. I think the women who are deeply into it are often atypical in various ways actually.

My view of spirituality is (among other things,) it's more a way for disempowered people to get power. So far from being a passive thing it's more like 'Slaanesh becomes a chaos god with all the male chaos gods.' Notably still androgynous.

I don't get the 'universe is fucking you' thing.

Also reminds me of this 4chan discussion someone posted on reddit ages ago, but I saved (clearly for this moment lol):



(pooner is a term they use for trans men and by tranner they mean trans women.)

Also related:



Someone pointed out in a further reddit discussion about the power thing. I thought it was included in this screenshot but it's not. It's definitely how spirituality is generally viewed by women in cultures like eg: Liberia when they threaten to curse men:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_...tion_for_Peace

Women of Liberia Mass Action for Peace is a peace movement started in 2003 by women in Monrovia, Liberia, Africa, that worked to end the Second Liberian Civil War.[1] Organized by Crystal Roh Gawding and social workers Leymah Gbowee and Comfort Freeman, the movement began despite Liberia having extremely limited civil rights. Thousands of Muslim and Christian women from various classes mobilized their efforts, staged silent nonviolence protests that included a sex strike and the threat of a curse.

In 2003 during the Second Liberian Civil War, Women of Liberia Mass Action for Peace forced a meeting with President Charles Taylor and extracted a promise from him to attend peace talks in Ghana[6] to negotiate with the rebels from Liberians United for Reconciliation and Democracy and Movement for Democracy in Liberia. A delegation of Liberian women went to Ghana to continue to apply pressure on the warring factions during the peace process.[7]

Two hundred women surrounded the room, dressed in white, dominating the conversation. Any time the negotiators tried to leave, the women threatened to take off all of their clothes. Enclosed in the room with the women, the men would try to jump out of the windows to escape their talk. But the women persisted, staging a sit in outside of the Presidential Palace. They blocked all the doors and windows and prevented anyone from leaving the peace talks without a resolution.

The women of Liberia became a political force against violence and against their government. Their actions brought about an agreement during the stalled peace talks. As a result, the women were able to achieve peace in Liberia after a 14-year civil war and later helped bring to power the country's first female head of state, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf.[7] When President Ellen Sirleaf first came into office, she made women's rights one of her priorities. Her administration focused on the condition of women in Liberia and their needs.[8]

Some of the changes she made involved: putting more women in office, establishing the Women's Legislative Caucus, a multiparty committee in the House of Representatives that ensures a gender-sensitive approach to the legislature, and creating The Inheritance Act, an act that made rights of inheritance for spouses of statutory and customary marriages. Under President Sirleaf, rape, a prominent weapon of war, was also made punishable with a maximum sentence of life in prison.[8]

edit: omg I just realised they literally did the parks and rec thing:



Or that strange man who everyone including himself is pretending is the puppet master of Andrew Tate:



^ clearly trying to be Rasputin who is another such person.

I posted about Crowley recently obviously him.

Aleister Crowley (/ˈ?lɪstər ˈkroʊli/ AL-ist-ər KROH-lee; born Edward Alexander Crowley; 12 October 1875 ? 1 December 1947) was an English occultist, ceremonial magician, poet, novelist, mountaineer, and painter. He founded the religion of Thelema, identifying himself as the prophet entrusted with guiding humanity into the ?on of Horus in the early 20th century. A prolific writer, he published widely over the course of his life.

Born to a wealthy family in Royal Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, Crowley rejected his parents' fundamentalist Christian Plymouth Brethren faith to pursue an interest in Western esotericism. He was educated at Trinity College at the University of Cambridge, where he focused his attention upon mountaineering and poetry, resulting in several publications. Some biographers allege that here he was recruited into a British intelligence agency, further suggesting that he remained a spy throughout his life. In 1898, he joined the esoteric Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, where he was trained in ceremonial magic by Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers and Allan Bennett. He went mountaineering in Mexico with Oscar Eckenstein, before studying Hindu and Buddhist practices in India. In 1904, he married Rose Edith Kelly, and they honeymooned in Cairo, Egypt, where Crowley wrote down The Book of the Law--a sacred text that serves as the basis for Thelema, which he said had been dictated to him by a supernatural entity named Aiwass. The Book announced the start of the ?on of Horus, and declared that its followers should "Do what thou wilt", and seek to align themselves with their True Will via the practice of ceremonial magic.

Crowley gained widespread notoriety during his lifetime, being a drug user, a bisexual, and an individualist social critic. Crowley has remained a highly influential figure over western esotericism and the counterculture of the 1960s, and he continues to be considered a prophet in Thelema. He is the subject of various biographies and academic studies.

Pretty sure you're going to see this pop up a lot.

Both critics of Crowley and adherents of Thelema have accused Crowley of sexism.[286] Booth described Crowley as exhibiting a "general misogyny", something the biographer believed arose from Crowley's bad relationship with his mother.[287] Sutin noted that Crowley "largely accepted the notion, implicitly embodied in Victorian sexology, of women as secondary social beings in terms of intellect and sensibility".[288] The scholar of religion Manon Hedenborg White noted that some of Crowley's statements are "undoubtedly misogynist by contemporary standards", but characterized Crowley's attitude toward women as complex and multi-faceted.[289] Crowley's comments on women's role varied dramatically within his written work, even that produced in similar periods.[289] Crowley described women as "moral inferiors" who had to be treated with "firmness, kindness and justice",[290] while also arguing that Thelema was essential to women's emancipation.[291]

Evola.

Evola was born in Rome. He served as an artillery officer in the First World War.[5] He became a Dada artist but gave up painting in his twenties. He said he considered suicide until he had a revelation while reading a Buddhist text.[6] In the 1920s he delved into the occult; he wrote on Western esotericism and of Eastern mysticism, developing his doctrine of "magical idealism". His writings blend various ideas of German idealism, Eastern doctrines, traditionalism and the interwar Conservative Revolution.[7] Evola believed that mankind is living in the Kali Yuga, a Dark Age of unleashed materialistic appetites. To counter this and call in a primordial rebirth, Evola presented a "world of Tradition". Tradition for Evola was not Christian?he did not believe in God?but rather an eternal supernatural knowledge with values of authority, hierarchy, order, discipline and obedience.[8][9]

Evola has been called the "chief ideologue" of Italy's radical right after World War II,[20] and his philosophy has been characterized as one of the most consistently "antiegalitarian, antiliberal, antidemocratic, and antipopular systems in the twentieth century".[21] Writings by Evola contain misogyny,[22] racism,[23] antisemitism,[10] and attacks on Christianity and the Catholic Church.[24] He continues to influence contemporary traditionalist and neo-fascist movements.[25][26][27][28]

Evola rebelled against his Catholic upbringing.[26] He studied engineering at the Istituto Tecnico Leonardo da Vinci in Rome, but did not complete his course, later claiming this was because he did not want to be associated with "bourgeois academic recognition" and titles such as "doctor and engineer".[41][42] In his teenage years, Evola immersed himself in painting--which he considered one of his natural talents--and literature, including Oscar Wilde and Gabriele d'Annunzio. He was introduced to philosophers such as Friedrich Nietzsche and Otto Weininger.[43] Other early philosophical influences included Italian man of letters Carlo Michelstaedter and German post-Hegelian thinker Max Stirner.[44]

Evola held that women "played" with men, threatened their masculinity, and lured them into a "constrictive" grasp with their sexuality.[100] He wrote that "It should not be expected of women that they return to what they really are ... when men themselves retain only the semblance of true virility",[96] and lamented that "men instead of being in control of sex are controlled by it and wander about like drunkards".[68][page needed] He believed that in Tantra and sex magic, in which he saw a strategy for aggression, he found the means to counter the "emasculated" West.[68][page needed] Evola also said that the "ritual violation of virgins",[99] and "whipping women" were a means of "consciousness raising",[22] so long as these practices were done to the intensity required to produce the proper "liminal psychic climate".[22]

But this is the most important video on understanding Evola:



And let's not forget the weird psychopath trans guy who started some weird cult lol:



I still haven't watched this video lol (even the video thumbnail is insane):



I watched the first one but didn't get around to this but I believe it's talking about the same guy and more of his antics.

Loki is the most popular character of this type I guess. This scene was deleted which is weird because it seems important to his characterisation:



Of course there are other uses for spirituality, but this goes to show it isn't just passive.

Natalie is not infallible, but then again nobody is. I think she has some weird ideas about femininity and sexuality. Her perspective is unique due to being a transwoman and I think that sometimes gives her amazing insight (the incel, envy and beauty videos among others) but also sometimes makes her say very regressive or strange things about femininity as dainty or submissive or mysterious in juxtaposition to masculinity as raw and intense that feel out of place in her otherwise very progressive and skeptical argumentation.

Another video that I think was kind of dragged down by this was the gender critical one.

I think her view of femininity is based on what cis men find feminine probably, or limited to like instagram goddess femininity stuff and whatever 4chan says (I'm sure they think of it as 'female brained' and I know she's spent a lot of time reading those viewpoints,) leading to the disconnect.

Also reminds me of Aella (I like that she reacted so strongly because I really identify with that):





"Never thought this is how it would end for Aella."

Still 10/10

I also think people like Ben Shapiro completely ruined the idea of 'logic' and 'rationality.'

hot take i suppose: rationality is not in and of itself good.

it doesn't bother me that she associated rationality with masculinity and spirituality with femininity, because i don't personally value rationality over spirituality and therefore i don?t feel this distinction is misogynistic.

i'm not religious or even that spiritual, and i'm not in a stem field--i have no preference for either side of this duality. i am a philosophy major though i guess, for whatever that explains about me. also, i?m intersex and nonbinary.

i feel that reason without emotion is cold and without perspective--it's useless. it its pure form it lacks any subjectivity. and spirituality with no tether to reality is just delusion--also useless. in ITS pure form it lacks any objectivity.

you kinda just need a balance of both? i think that?s what she?s getting to in her more recent vids?

it?s true that the misogynistic trope is that men are rational, perfect beings that are meant to lead and rule, etc, while women are hysterical and emotional, and are therefore suited to the roles of caregivers for our big smart boys who know everything.

i think natalie?s point is less that this trope is wrong because social constructs are made up and anyone can be either (as in, spirituality bad and stupid, women can do the scientific method too), and more that EVERYBODY has both of these things inside them, but for social reasons one trait is much more favored than the other, and the fact that we put so much more value on rationality and shun spirituality, is unhealthy.

Excessive 'rationality' honestly just leads most people into a nihilistic hole which is something people are starting to wake up to, so I would agree.



^ I love Joey's face. Because it is really funny watching people who embody these two extremes.



I think It's Always Sunny did something kind of similar:



^ Notice Mac is the most aesthetically masculine one on the show who is doing this as well. And it's not even unbelievable because there are plenty of irrational guys like that.

Tbf though Charlie is the Phoebe of his show:









That show is honestly like if twitter (most social media in general perhaps, Charlie seems like a more tumblr type of a guy,) was a sitcom lol. Because of amorality and psychopathy and schizotypy coupled with incompetence and nonsense and general chaos.

I haven't watched the whole show but prob my favourite character on the show.




"We have the means, the understanding, the technology. To allow spiders to talk to cats."

Legend.

Dennis is a close second though because he has some amazing scenes.

[Nyctophilia]

My view of spirituality is (among other things,) it's more a way for disempowered people to get power. So far from being a passive thing it's more like 'Slaanesh becomes a chaos god with all the male chaos gods.' Notably still androgynous.

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Or that strange man who everyone including himself is pretending is the puppet master of Andrew Tate:

This reminds me of something Alan Moore said:



"The fact that in present times this magical power has degenerated to the level of cheap entertainment and manipulation is I think a tragedy."

He's talking about advertisers but I kind of think PUA is an equally vapid use (but perhaps I'm just not seeing the whole picture.) But that guy's mum was a TV psychic so you know.