Random Thought of the Day

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Just realised Tori Amos lives in Cornwall. That's totally a place she would live xD I mean she has that British baroque pop vibe.

I think she should collab with Patrick Wolf now that he's making music again because he said in a recent interview that he'd recently learnt to drive and was listening to a bunch of her albums while driving.

He has a lot of songs referencing Cornwall and I think has Cornish roots (also Irish.)







The end of this track is so good it's actually a different track or part of it called The Towans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHftABiCnKI

Its a wild stretch of land
Such a sad place to be
When the night comes heavy down
And the sands turn to sea

Many saints have lost their love
Many a pilgrim dies unseen
In that wild stretch of land
In that fire to be free

I mean some of their music is very similar I think he deviates more when he gets into the folktronica kind of area of music but I'm not familiar with most of her music just a handful of her songs so I don't know if she has anything like that:



And I guess collabing with someone who is very similar might not be that interesting but anyway.

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The logic here is just ridiculous. If you want to sell your AI product sell your AI product but it's definitely not going to lead to higher rates of reproduction or trad values lol:

Ai Women Are Women™. SeX/acc.
More dangerous than a bear and proud.

edit: just realised not accelerationists again lmfao:



The bear thing in your bio does make you sound like you're motivated by spite.

Women, when we choose to be in the woods with the ai girlfriend instead of you, you need to understand why men would choose ai.

I'm more dangerous than a bear and proud.

Oh no he is OK.

If man declared war on bears in 2 weeks they’d be extinct.

OK the bear thing was dumb but... Are these guys actually sexually threatened by bears now?

That's funny.

Penguins I could understand.

Bugs Bunny I could understand xD (so many directions to take this joke but the penguin thing was because they supposedly are pretty dedicated dads unlike bears. Also the penguins of Madagascar fanart Strange Aeons was talking about in her tumblr sexymen video.)

Pokemon I could understand- OK

This is def age restricted because she was smoking weed in the video (oh no she wasn't I forgot edibles,) smash or pass pokemon edition lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s_rk9M9z8s

^ Lol this video is actually hilarious I forgot how funny it was.

The relationship between women and men is broken. The data shows that. Everyone knows it. The top 20% in the gene pool don't care. Their not caring is genetic warfare. All social action taken against Orifice, all protest, be it in the form of tweet or article or legislation will be gene warfare. Everything comes down to reproduction, and we're going to take non-reproductive sex with human women off the table as a commodity. It's gone. Can't trade money for it. Can't trade a meal for it. You could spend hours contemplating the consequences of that. Good, bad. It's going to end crime. It's going to wipe out job functions. But why? Because sex is about reproduction and everything breaks when you break that. Our roles don't make sense. Our institutions don't make sense. Nothing makes sense. When men stop seeking non-reproductive sex from human women, it's going to lead to an increase in reproductive sex. And it's going to save the world.

Edit: It kind of seems like a more lucid version of Nick Land if Nick Land was doing delusional optimism instead of horror. Like I can imagine this set to some kind of cyberpunk themed music with a robotic voice or something. And I guess that makes sense because it's an /acc account.



Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude. Blitzed on a polydrug mix of K-nova, synthetic serotonin, and female orgasm analogs, you have just iced three Turing cops with a highly cinematic 9mm automatic.

"The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.

[...]

Neo-China arrives from the future.

It's written in the same tone of voice you know what I mean?

This guy is like a boring reactionary now lol.

"Reactionary Nick Land arrives from the future. Sex is about reproduction we're going to end crime and also buy my sex robot."

It's not going to end crime because the men who engage in crime are mostly trying to get money and/or boost their status in a broken hierarchy or they have other sadistic impulses. This doesn't offer a compelling outlet or competition for someone who is antisocial. Also the female crime rate has been increasing for decades.

What an absurd thing to say lol.

I'm not even against AI sex bots or whatever myself but what kind of utopianist bs is that lol?

Someone else said this:

Sexbots and virtual waifus will lower female sexual market value, which means woman will need to work on themselves and what they bring to the table other than the idea of sex for being the main reason why the man wants a relationship with them. This will mean more trad values.

I don't know if this is the logic he's using but I highly doubt that outcome will happen lol.

Women can just get AI partners and sex bots themselves + have relationships with other women. It's ridiculous to think the outcome of this is going to be increased trad values or an increase in reproduction.

I think it will actually make these guys even less likely to reproduce without surrogacy or artificial wombs because women will start going to sperm banks and they'll all just select like the top rated guys in terms of their career, education background, appearence and so on. So it will be the same as now besides maybe even less guys getting into relationships with real women because the path of least residence for women is probably to find a girlfriend and go to a sperm bank - actually it's to not have kids or relationships at all which a bunch of women are already doing but yeah after that either raise the kid alone or with a woman.

In a world where that technology didn't exist and they still needed to have sex with a guy to get pregnant maybe that would make more sense but they don't so you can't gatekeep anything unless you get all men to stop donating sperm and to not have sex with women. But you would have to do that first.

I mean if by traditional values you mean women will be outcompeted for online sex work sure quite possibly but aside from that nothing is going to change in the way you think.

Once this is perfected, almost no modern women are going to be able to compete. They'll have to learn how to actually provide value to a man and not just be selfish and hateful.

It's not going to happen.

It's just so dumb though lol because everyone in this debate is ignoring that you can also use technology to get an AI boyfriend for some reason and then how is it a threat?

My wife brings a lot to the table.
More than 99% of women.

You can't compete. A talking sex box is not a replacement for women like her, who aim to give as much as they receive, it's a replacement for women like you.

She's going to divorce him eventually (statistically and considering his personality type being very disagreeable it's almost certain - I've looked into the research of what kind of personalities stay in relationships long term and it's not him,) and he's going to be insufferable about it.

Gender role conflict was related to low marital satisfaction and those who had feminine and androgynous gender roles reported more marital satisfaction. Some of the feminine characteristics, which are a combination of complex behavioral and emotional interactions, can enhance the relationships. These results can be used in marital counseling and therapy.

Neuroticism, in particular, seems the key Big Five trait related to low relationship satisfaction and a higher likelihood of getting divorced, whereas high agreeableness and conscientiousness are related to marital stability.

Women want men to want them even if the woman does not want the man. When all of the attention dries up, and you're all fighting over 2% of the male population, you'll be crying for simp attention but you won't get it.

No. That’s a cope. The fatal flaw of feminism is the belief you can rewrite millions of years of psychological evolution because you read some books. Your mental health requires the male gaze. This technology will deny you that.

This really only applies to extroverted exhibitionists.

This guy is pretty funny lol:

That is the nature of being a man. We accept that. You should accept your nature as well. Find someone to reproduce with and extract their resources.
If men can fulfill their biological needs in a cheaper, less toxic and codependent way, they will flourish with the surpluses

'Find someone and extract their resources.' Lol.

Most of men's energy and resources are wasted on the weaker end of this sexual power structure. This removes the biological power imbalance. Despite what your feminist books say, men and women are not equal. Sexual liberation will empower weak men. It will destroy weak women.

Hm I'm getting the sense here from a bunch of people that they think that this will free up men to do something else meaningful but if you're not doing anything now you won't start to do anything meaningful when you have a sex robot. This is sort of like people who argue that without work people will be more creatively productive but that's not how it works for a lot of people who are already in that situation so it's not that simple.

I think the most depressing part of this is that somehow they're not aware of just how much most people can adjust to having essentially nothing. I mean that guy (the one who has som AI product not the funny guy,) is married so wtf does he know. Especially if they start off that way which in this hypothetical future they will. They'll adjust to not having anything.

They're going to grow up creating fanfiction and playing The Sims etc and maybe some will find religion again instead of competing for male attention. Like every nerd in the 2000s and woman in a convent lol.

Oh lol he actually brought up witch covens:

That response is the future of single, childless women. [...] You can start a witch covenant. Celibate girl boss witches.

That sounds fun though. Aellas idea too but only if she's having sex with women other wise I've lost interest:

why do u need a man to approve of your lifestyle if you can use the money u get from whoring to pay nannies and co-parent with a bunch of your female friends? Get some great sperm, embryo select some badasses, live with other slutty ladies in a wealthy commune, it's the dream

sometimes internet ppl say i'll never find a man to commit to me cause i'm promiscuous. Even *if* this were true, men are giving me resources anyway, and I can cleverly use this to have kids with a much higher quality of life than if I were a housewife. win win?

Also the porn joker thread was kinda hot:

society is slowly turning me into the porn joker

the harder u try to shame me the more people i bang

yea watch me go, in my own house bangin ppl i enjoy banging. watch me contribute to the downfall of society. having a great time, a week-long afterglow and affection for my sex partners. by talking about the things i enjoy publicly and without shame im gonna make rome burn

maybe a society that can be sent into angry paroxysms by the fact that i dare to live without shame is a society that *should* burn

maybe i *should* be a threat to your way of life and norms and everything you love. maybe your wives should be happier than they are, maybe they should be sluts too. maybe seeing me having a great time will make them envious. maybe you should have been better at fucking her.

So many classics.

I usually prefer this fantasy the other way around but Aella almost makes me want to be the conservative wife...

Would I actually be into it? I don't know it's just a hot concept in general. I'm attracted to concepts.

Someone make a film about this not a porn film like a decent quality film or a book. I'm certain it exists already I'm just lazy. Who do I want to star in the film also? Hmm... A̶b̶b̶y̶ S̶h̶a̶p̶i̶r̶o̶

Oh right but I was talking about the heterosexuals.

I don't think women should freak out about this though in the way they are on twitter responding to him because it's an interesting experiment from a scientific pov lol and as he said he's going to end crime. Let the man try I guess.

And you don't need people who think like this in the first place.



Lol no but maybe.

I'm kind of mad that I'm never going to be able to hear this mashup live. Imagine how epic that would have been:

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Funny seeing comments like this now:

Oh my god if PT ever do a reunion tour I'm gonna buy a ticket for each city in the UK and drive to every one I don't give a fuck.

I would start a war in my country and go to UK as a refugee and attend every concert in every city.

That's a original reason for wanting to come to the UK as a refugee I will say.

Well they did reunite for concerts in London and Manchester in the UK in 2022 and 2023. But in general Steven does solo concerts mostly in London I think when it comes to the UK (but I'm not really paying attention to other stuff since London is most convinient/closest to me anyway.) I went to see Porcupine Tree in Manchester though because I missed the London concert. But they also played in other countries lol. It's not like they ever only played in the UK. Also Steven Wilson tours in other places and he sometimes plays Porcupine Tree trakcs with his live band well always actually I think.

I think it's been a while since he did a solo tour now. When was his last concert besides the Porcupine Tree ones... I mean I think some stuff was cancelled because of covid but I wasn't paying close attention. Cause at one time I was going to a bunch of them and it seemed to be pretty regular and kind of took that for granted. I really want to see his new solo album live though.

Wtf when did this happen?

Sep 27, 2023

The Harmony Codex Listening Session + Steven Wilson Live Set

I didn't even hear about this? Was this like a proper concert or? I need to pay closer attention.

Following the playback of the entire 65-minute album over EartH’s amazing immersive sound system, Steven will play a unique 30-minute solo live set of music from the album, also in spatial audio.

EartH is equipped with L-Acoustics L-ISA spatial audio technology, placing the audience in a hemisphere of sound. The 17.1.8 system includes five frontal loudspeaker arrays, 12 surrounds, 8 overheads and 4 flown subwoofers, 69 speakers in total.

It looks like some kind of niche small event and not a typical concert.

Lol why is it listed as YouTube kids? Only has 91 views:



I shouldn't really watch this though I am because it's like spoilers.

Oh this is a better quality recording from this event awesome (actually not really I thought it was lol):



Also it looks like in 2021 he played a bunch of shows in the UK but one date was cancelled in Germany. Yeah just the odd random concert here and there dates in 2020 and 2019.

Looking I'm kind of glad I live in the UK now lol he definitely does more concerts here.

I saw this post on Tumblr:

I think now that I’ve gotten older and my musical tastes have shifted I can say with absolute confidence that for me personally Steven is at his peak when hes at his darkest eg. in absentia, the incident, grace for drowning

the juxtaposition of his very sweet singing voice and the absolutely heinous subject matter is just so striking I know the incident isn't talked about as much but Bonnie the cat is one of the most heinous songs ever written in the best way

And I understand Steven himself wants to try new things and good in him for doing so but I don't think for me personally he'll never give me the sheer viscera or something like raider ii again

And I could totally see where they're coming from RE: To The Bone and The Future Bites but The Harmony Codex is so amazing and like the perfect execution I think of what he's been sort of doing for the last couple of albums imo. Definitely his best electronic work so far.

Tbf their Tumblr post was about a month before that album was released lol.

Also though I really like the psychedelic Porcupine Tree stuff now.

And I don't know how becuase it's not been very long and nothing materially has changed but Fadeaway makes me nostalgic now atm:



This sounds like something kind of psychedelic mixed with something rejected from the Hellraiser sountrack lol which I love (that sounds almost like an insult but tbf Coil's Hellraiser soundtrack was rejected later on and Coil are great):



Raider II is an amazing track though especially live. I haven't seen it live in person though so far. It's a really long track so seems unlikely I'll get to hear that as time goes on. ._. I got into his music after The Raven That Refused To Sing was released so the first concert I went to was during that era too and wasn't played then.

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This is the same Lauren Southern who would show up to troll people (liberals and trans activists mostly,) at protests, once changed her legal gender to male to prove how easy it was in Canada, was doing some weird stuff with migrant boats I can't remember, came to my hometown to hand out flyers saying Alah is gay and then got banned from the UK not long after?






I didn't realise she was this naive and she was pretty attractive too so I feel like she could have done better. Even now this situation is so bizarre since I haven't really paid attention to her for years that I'm wondering if this is just some 'well I guess I'll grift off the left instead now' arc.

Yeah I've seen so many people do this and just flip flop that I actually can't trust people.

But yeah I'd be pretty OK with being single over that.

Some research points to men with authoritarian right wing beliefs having 24/7 power fantasies as a fetish and various things like that. Now, obviously that won't apply in every case, but you have to be careful I think. It's not exactly hard to see them constantly posting abusive crap all over social media. I guess some people don't pay as much attention though and they probably act differently before they get into relationships too.

Actually seems like they got married really quickly after barely knowing each other and she was 22 (pretty young,) and she then moved to another country. None of this is a brilliant idea honestly though they're not the only people who have done this sort of thing. Definitely a huge risk.

I mean I thought she was a huge asshole really back in the day and I guess there's always a part of me that gets surprised when people like that end up being abused in relationships even though that doesn't make sense I sort of imagine they're more cynical and dominant etc. Like how I tend to assume malicious people are more intelligent than they often are.

This is where its from, i suspect he didn't link it because the writer basically runs defence for the brainrot that led to this and even gives an anti trans jab

Oh it's Mary Harrington who wrote the article.

yeah, her telling people about southern has some worth i guess, but she's a queer-hating, both-sideing pos:

"For where I lost my twenties to commune life and niche sexualities, she left media at 22 to embrace a socially conservative template for women..."

As one redditor put it lol:

I also admire ex-lesbian commune head of marketing working class trad British women.

Since a bunch of Americans also seem deluded into thinking she's working class which is still just LOL. She's not even lower middle class. Transparently upper middle class.

Me being on the internet: literally disagreeing with everyone about something always.

So, in 2019, she announced that she was leaving media and activism altogether. As Southern tells it, she was trying sincerely to put into practice the ideology she'd promoted in her videos. "I believed I had a certain role in my relationship," she told me. "And it was to be the more submissive one that supports my husband's dreams."

So she just ignored that that's obviously incompatible with her personality type considering what she spent her career/life doing up until that point?

She never was a submissive person...

I found some other article that said this but didn't expand on it:

Southern is a lot of things. She is a self-published author who has been banned by Patreon and GoFundMe; she is someone who the Southern Poverty Law Center refers to as Canada's alt-right dog whistler. She pines for the Crusades, wants to "cure" Muslims of their hatred of the West, and at one point was a tradwife. Southern left the abusive world of tradwifedom and has since publicly condemned that lifestyle. Here's what we know about the ultra-conservative influencer's divorce.

Trying to find more... Different article:

Southern goes on to endorse the Crusades, writing, "Like sword-wielding versions of Twisted Sister, Christendom declared 'We're not gonna take it anymore,'" and "The Crusaders did absolutely nothing wrong," before concluding, "I'm going to be hoisting the flag and saying 'Deus Vult.'" [Again, italics hers.] "Deus Vult," or "God Wills," was the battle cry of the First Crusade, declared by Pope Urban II, and another dog whistle for the extremist right, where it?s used as a rallying cry against Islam.

In 2017, Southern began focusing her attention beyond Canada?s borders. She appeared at the violent UC Berkeley racist rally in mid-April wearing an Army surplus helmet with a large "MAGA" sticker plastered across it, protected by a contingent of Proud Boys. She rallied the white nationalist troops, declaring, "If I don?t show up here, I?ll tell antifa right now, another patriot will show up in my place," and "We will win the war for Berkeley."

In May, Southern joined a group of European members of Generation Identitaire (Generation Identity), a far-right anti-immigration group, who'd chartered a ship in the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Italy, where she live-streamed their group shooting flares at a search and rescue ship called the Aquarius, operated by SOS Mediterranee with support from Medicins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders). SOS Mediterranee is a European charity that rescues people in distress in the Mediterranean, including stranded refugees.

"So guys, if the politicians won't stop the boats, we?ll stop the boats," Southern says in her livestream. The Italian Coast Guard detained Southern and her allies for a brief time before releasing them, but Generation Identitaire had the video it needed to start a crowdfunding campaign for its "Defend Europe" initiative.

She's very into guns as well.

In general I find the tension between traditionalism and non-conformity among dissident right and right wing libertarian people interesting. Like her, Camille Paglia, Jordan Peterson, Bronze Age Pervert, Myron Gaines, Andrew Tate etc.

And of course it begs the question why would someone looking for a feminine traditional woman marry her? And why did she feel the need to force herself into that box? The perception that there is no alternative? Some kind of heterosexual realism? Like capitalist realism?

Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative? is a 2009 book by British philosopher Mark Fisher. It explores Fisher's concept of "capitalist realism", which he describes as "the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it."[1]

Things aren't quite that bad with gender. There really is a black hole economically speaking.

When did she say this I just found this on wikiquotes lol. What a rabbit hole:

"This is what's hard: I know I'm legally a man, but I'm also male-minded, despite having the female appearance." - Lauren Southern

Did she say this? It seems like something someone made up. I can't believe all things considered she would say this. Is it a joke? Why is there no context?

It's a bit of an Alan Moore moment if true though.





I personally think it's bs though until I find the source. It seems like something that she'd either say as a joke because of the thing she did in that video years ago or just not true.

Tomboy fascism 😂

Lol wth. Then again every group can have fascist tendencies femboys, hippy woo conspirituality women, hypermasculine men. Failed artists. (Hitler.)

Wonder if this has something to do with how tomboys and masculine trans men historically were used to promote nationalism and war? Because that's always been weird.

Tomboys are the most powerful race.

They are afraid.

And they should be.

Tbf Lauren you actually were part of the far right though. 😂

It's kind of fascinating. I have been exploring these dynamics and contradictions for years now. The political left has many contradictions too of course.

If some people believed tomboys would lose what was thought to be women's most important power--procreation--others believed tomboyism would strengthen that power; tomboys would grow up to be the healthiest and most attractive women, the most suited to reproduce. Thus, some people began to believe that daughters should be treated, in many ways, like sons.

And yet, even as raising girls as tomboys was pitched as the solution to the problem of a declining birth rate among white people, tomboys were often depicted as dark-haired and tanned. They were seen not only as future wonderful wives, mothers, and women, but as the heroic antidote to their opposite: feminine, vain, and indulgent girly-girls. Often, they were pitted against each other in literature, the fair-skinned and fair-haired ladylike girly-girl and the raven-haired unladylike tomboy with sun-darkened skin. That is, they were racialized, their behaviors explained and excused by their color.

Tomboys took on some stereotypes affixed by whites to people of color, including African-Americans and Native Americans; its portrayal was a kind of cultural appropriation. As Sentilles wrote, tomboys could "play Indian without becoming Indian." Some books even claimed that the name Pocahontas translated into the word "tomboy" (some recent translations posit that it meant "mischievous one").

Somehow this is not brought up in any of these articles I looked up but there was also Rotha Lintorn-Orman in the UK who I think was the founder of the first fascist movement in the UK actually:

Rotha Beryl Lintorn Lintorn-Orman (7 February 1895 ? 10 March 1935) was the founder of the British Fascisti, the first avowedly fascist movement to appear in British politics.

Rotha Orman, with her friend Nesta Maude, was among the few girls who showed up at the 1909 Crystal Palace Scout Rally wanting to be Scouts[3] which led to the foundation of the Girl Guides. In 1908 they had registered as a Scout troop, using their initials rather than forenames.[4] In 1911 she was awarded one of the first of the Girl Guides' Silver Fish Awards.[5]

In the First World War, Lintorn-Orman served as a member of the Women's Volunteer Reserve and with the Scottish Women's Hospital Corps.[6] She contributed to the relief efforts at the Great Thessaloniki Fire of 1917[7] but invalided home with malaria. In 1918 she became head of the British Red Cross Motor School to train drivers in the battlefield.[8]

Following Lintorn-Orman's war service, she placed an advertisement in the right-wing journal The Patriot seeking anti-communists.[9] This led to the foundation of the British Fascisti (later the British Fascists) in 1923 as a response to the growing strength of the Labour Party, a source of great anxiety for the virulently anti-Communist Lintorn-Orman.[10] She felt Labour was too prone to advocating class conflict and internationalism, two of her pet hates.[11]

Lintorn-Orman was dependent on alcohol and drugs,[18] and rumours about her sexual orientation began to damage her reputation. Eventually her mother stopped funding her after hearing lurid tales of drink, drugs and orgies.[19] Lintorn-Orman was taken ill in 1933 and was sidelined from the British Fascists, as effective control passed to Mrs D. G. Harnett, who sought to breathe new life into the group by seeking to ally it with Ulster loyalism.[20]

Lintorn-Orman died of an alcohol-related illness at the age of 40 on 10 March 1935 at Santa Br?gida, Las Palmas, in the Canary Islands. By then her organisation was all but defunct. She was buried at the English Cemetery in Las Palmas.

They're writing articles about facist tomboys and describing all this kind of vague stuff while not mentioning an actual fascist non-conforming woman.

And you see this kind of weird [BEEP] again now like the [BEEP] saleswoman with the weird livejournal erotic fanart. In her case it's very much confirmed and I think she was also doing meth.

Tangentially related:



I don't agree with once again the absolutism of what he's saying but I think a lot of them are very repressed and try to force themselves into some box that doesn't work with their personality type.

Instead, between the lockdown claustrophobia and her husband's behaviour, she began to revise her initial willingness to leave public life. In part, she told me, she hoped it would win back his love. "He was so much kinder, sweeter and more pursuant of me when I was this 'boss babe' travelling the world working. It seemed like becoming a mother made him lose respect for me. It was shocking to me, again, because the traditional view preached the opposite -- that men love you more when you stop working and become a wife and mother." In her experience, though, this was "very much not the case". So, a year after retiring to embrace traditionalist domestic life on the Right-wing model, she posted her comeback video, and began making sporadic media appearances.

I think some of these guys have this kind of conquest thing in mind. Then they get bored. And also since you married him from his pov he doesn't have to pretend to not be an abusive asshole anymore.

Ellen (not her real name), 35, is another previously married erstwhile "trad" who is now in Southern's network. She describes how the men who self-select into these communities are often "wayward, antisocial, disagreeable and very, very misogynistic",

You don't say.

I'm being kind of a dick but my entire experience online at this point is just guys with this personality combination - which I hate btw - jumping out from everywhere so I'm honestly confused by anyone who doesn't want that ending up in this situation at this stage but I guess it was a few years back and she was pretty married to antifeminism clearly to a point that meant even throwing out self preservation.

Unironically cottagecore lesbians are waaaaay ahead of the conservative right on the tradwife game

I think you may be right.

There's something kind of weirdly defensive about so many trad wives online (the actual kind of # movement that is,) like they seem motivated by a desire to go after liberal women and don't seem... There's something off there. It goes both ways too obviously. Straight people really aren't OK (tm). Not in every case but they're very combatative on average and it doesn't surprise me that the whole thing isn't working for a lot of them. (Being a tradwife isn't working for a lot of them I mean not heterosexuality although honestly lol.... Both.)

I could be wrong but she seems happy:





None of her content involves putting down other types of women.

She is also a lesbian and married to a woman but I don't think that should be essential ideologically speaking.

If heterosexuality is a culture, and culture is mutable, that means there's hope. Even today, the idea persists that straight culture is "natural," whatever that means. The criteria Susan Sontag set out in "Notes on 'Camp,'" however, like artifice and exaggeration, can be just as neatly applied to the straight world. Wedding receptions, baby showers, and bachelor parties are all good examples.

Like the first woman she talks about in this video why lol?:



I basically don't watch adverts now and when I do I don't but this caught my attention lol.

What does this have to do with m&ms ? I never understood ?These comercials have nothing to do with the product they're selling .

This commercial is beyond stupid lmao. What does anything that happens in this have to do with the product it advertises Also wow he said feet instead of face hahahahah comedy genius!!

I feel like it's marketed at me somehow.

What's that m&m advert? Give the guys with short hair and full body tattoos a chance because they might be plant guys with small feet and I can steal their shoes?

But I really like long hair </3

I'm extracting resources (shoes.)



No my feet are like size 5 in women's UK size that's 7 in the US? That's like 4 sizes below the average men's size lol. I don't like the idea of wearing other people's shoes anyway.

Anyone know what brand of shoes he has? I want to get a pair. LOL.

It is more of a shoe advert lol. Those aren't quite my thing though I like these ones:





These shoes are like over 100 pounds though so I can't buy them.

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I'm also specifically talking about samesex couples today rather than [BEEP] parents in general because obviously while a bisexual woman and a bisexual man are also [BEEP] parents they will have a different experience to myself and Claudia for example and you know a lot of the research that I looked at for this only focussed on lesbians and gay men it's very hard to find anything else.
But there is no mention of asexual or non-binary parents please give me your resarch papers if you have them drop me your citations down below.

Yeah now and then I'll search even for anecdotes about non-binary parents but there is very little. Non-binary people skew younger in general though + people posting online about things like this do. There are some older people who have come out like significantly older than me. It was mostly my generation who were the first to come out in any significant number though (like millennials born say in 1985 and later I was born in 1991. Oh and also labels have varied and similar concepts were being discussed in the 80s and 90s and even earlier really,) and there are only 30,000 non-binary people aged 16+ in the UK. So there are basically no role models or research about parenting outside of the very gendered roles.

I know there was this one couple who were on like talk shows and stuff both trans and I think non-binary way back in like 2016 or something and it attracted tons of controversy mostly because they were raising their kid gender neutral and so that's also not something I want to watch you know the whole sensationalised controversy framing is bleak.

Just found this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9359002/

Beyond Mum and Dad: Gendered Assumptions about Parenting and the Experiences of Trans and/or Non-Binary Parents in the UK

In Fischer's (2021) study of five non-binary birth parents, participants found that navigating their parenting identities outside of traditional scripts was challenging, given the lack of parental designations for non-binary parents. It has also been shown that parents who transition after having children often retain their father/mother role due to their biological connection to the child (Petit et al., 2017), but that this can be associated with high levels of identity tension (Simpson, 2018; Norwood, 2012)

5! Lol.

There is a lack of research looking at the distinct experiences of TNB parents with different gender identities. One US-based study indicated that trans women were more likely to experience their children limiting contact with them than were trans male and non-binary parents (S. E. James et al., 2016). Scholars such as Hines (2006) have suggested that this could be due to greater societal acceptance of female androgyny than male femininity. Consistent with this finding, Apperson et al. (2015) found that the attitudes of US college students toward the hypothetical scenario of a parent being trans were more positive if the mother came out as a trans man than if the father came out as a trans woman, indicating particularly high levels of prejudice toward trans women who are parents. These findings suggest that there may be important differences in the experiences of trans men, trans women and non-binary people, and more research is clearly needed to unpack this further.

The first theme (Motherhood: essential and exclusionary) refers to the way in which motherhood was perceived as an essential role in a child?s life. This role was also deemed to be exclusive to certain parents, primarily birth parents, who were assumed to be cis women. Participants were impacted differently by these assumptions, in that non-binary birth parents were often perceived as mothers, but did not want to be, and that trans women were excluded from accessing motherhood.

The second theme (Fathers as uninvolved parents: negotiating fatherhood) refers to the expectation that non-birth biological parents were fathers, and that fathers were less involved as parents. Such assumptions had wide-reaching legal and social implications. Participants who identified with fatherhood (either entirely or partially) negotiated with these norms, and extended the concept of fatherhood beyond biological connections, and beyond cis men.

The third theme (Mum, Dad and nothing in between: parenting beyond the binary) describes how parenting norms of mum and dad as being the only two, discrete identities impacted upon participants, and particularly non-binary parents. This theme describes how participants constructed new parenting names and practices, to avoid the highly gendered nature of traditional terms.

Yeah so this makes a lot of sense to me that motherhood is more gendered than fatherhood. In addition to not wanting to be pregnant part of the reason I don't want to go through that process is it does seem more essentialised and gendered as a role and if you give birth to a child and keep the child then that's going to happen. It may anyway though if you're the only parent or you seem like the more feminine person in a relationship with a kid.

Also instead of attempting to minimise that there's an increasing movement to make motherhood this very feminine womanly gendered thing. I can't complain about that because I'm part of a tiny minority I'm sure there are non-conforming cis women who dislike some of this stuff too but in combination that's still a minority I think. But yeah I don't want to be part of that paradigm.

Terfs actually go around trying to trigger people like I saw a twitter comment recently addressed at someone else 'you gave birth so you're obviously a woman that's the most womanly thing a person can do.' So it also becomes reassuring in a way "I may have x, y ,z trait but I've never gone through that." Of course there are numerous ways it's actually masculinising including the fact that many mothers end up with male DNA in a chimera sense if they have male offspring. Obviously nobody talks about that kind of thing though and why would they lol.

Microchimerism of fetal as well as maternal origin has recently been reported in the mouse brain. In this study, we quantified male DNA in the human female brain as a marker for microchimerism of fetal origin (i.e. acquisition of male DNA by a woman while bearing a male fetus).

Actually I think Claudia made a video about this not the same because she's not dysphoric about being female etc but addressing clothing:



She says in that video they're surprised that Jessica isn't the one who's pregnant because she's more feminine and yeah that's how people's brains work too lol.

I love this! Not only because it's new Jessie and Claud content, but also because of the type of video it is. So much content surrounding pregnancy focuses on womanhood and femininity and that can be great and empowering for some people, but having the other side is surely also very necessary.

yes, and "the other side" not just being "...and, it can also be very difficult", but rather "...and, you can still be yourself, even if you aren't into presenting as super-femme".

Yeah.

Eg does she think this is inspiring:

https://unherd.com/2019/10/how-mothe...my-liberalism/

Then I had a baby. It is commonplace to observe that life after becoming a parent is different from life before, which is true, and one part of this was my cherished liberal beliefs running aground on the physical reality of being, not a parent, but specifically a mother.

For me, becoming a mother involved 12 surreal and painful hours of labour followed by a crash C-section and a week on a drip. Recovery took a month. On sharing this with other women who are mothers I discovered that most of us have a horror story of one sort or another about childbirth, but that a polite omerta exists around sharing these either with men or with non-mothers. On the whole this is probably for the best, or no woman would ever consider getting pregnant. But it is only the first layer in a cloak of obfuscation that lies over the nature of motherhood.

You see how she almost paints two roles one the role of a parent which applies to both parents and then the role of a mother which is singular. There's no fatherhood role really or it's downplayed (of course many conservatives etc will emphasise the importance of this too and then have arguments about stereotypical masculinity etc.) You also have to wonder how adopted mothers fit into this. Are they just parents? Presumably though the language we use for female adopted mothers is still the same.

Males cannot give birth, unless you count those male-identified females who are periodically reported in the papers as "pregnant fathers". Neither can males breastfeed, and it is arguably breastfeeding where the roles of a mother and her co-parent in a couple really begin to diverge.

I do actually and here's something I don't think her crowd has considered much besides to say they are against surrogacy. You can impregnate other people with your eggs now because of technology. This is actually a new reproductive role. I think there are also in the UK now people with three genetic parents (think we were the first country to do this which is weird because so many people are anti everything surrounding alternatives like this.)

A baby has been born using three people's DNA for the first time in the UK, the fertility regulator has confirmed. Most of their DNA comes from their two parents and around 0.1% from a third, donor woman. The pioneering technique is an attempt to prevent children being born with devastating mitochondrial diseases.

I embarked on motherhood with a vision of myself as rational and autonomous. It was unsettling the least to find myself in this messy, leaky symbiosis with a wholly dependent infant whose cries caused me to lactate and lose the ability to think coherently. I am not saying we should shrug our shoulders at the different ways men and women are treated by society, on the grounds that it is a biological inevitability. I want rather to suggest that the simplistic picture of sex equality promoted by popular feminism has a motherhood-shaped blind spot and, as such, lets both sexes down.

While our mainstream liberal culture pretends that all humans are essentially identical apart from our dangly bits, it will continue to recoil in disgust from the messy reality of motherhood as a deeply animal experience. And so mothers will continue to be as overworked, guilty and burned out as they currently are, and our birth rates will continue to plummet. Perhaps, finally, it is time to restart the long-overdue public conversation about what motherhood is, and move beyond the polite political omerta that covers the subject.

It's an important conversation but the more she talks the less I want to go through any of that process lol! Which is ironic because she seems to want to increase the birth rate based on the bolded part.

Sad that the theme of this article is both obvious in the real world and yet a taboo subject. And so many influential people want to fight this natural reality. In brief they want to stop people being humans and turn us into soulless automatons.

Yay for 'soulless automatons'

Hello voidpunk my old friend



I'm not watching the whole of this video I just found I'm trying to find something that really sums up Mary Harrington's position and the position of people aligned with her but a lot of it is behind paywalls and I also stumbled on this video with this title:

Motherhood, Transhumanism, and the Case for Being Normal | Mary Harrington

Things To Be Bought And Sold
What happens when you can create a baby, without creating a mother?

We can't even make a synthetic human breastmilk that's anywhere near as good as the real stuff. So quite aside from the obvious ethical horror-show of attempting to develop such a technology, the probability of developing a form of ectogenesis capable of incubating a live human child is low to say the least.

This doesn't make the fantasy less appealing, to people whose idea of freedom looks like a concerted push to transcend every given limit of humanity.

No idea why she thinks it's impossible given enough time. It seems very unlikely given enough time and research that it would be impossible in fact.

How to solve the cycle of decline? Print more babies!

From Musk's 'Believe in the future!' perspective, the stubborn trend towards human reproductive pessimism is obviously a disaster: "If there aren?t enough people for Earth, then there definitely won't be enough for Mars," Musk lamented. The tech world's Spock contingent was quick off the mark in response. Maybe it's unfair asking women to have more babies, one suggested, because of the asymmetrical career opportunity cost. He and others argued the solution must surely be synthetic wombs, to make it safer and easier to manufacture new humans.

I don't know what Elon's position on this is I do vaguely remember someone saying something about artificial wombs and maybe he responded saying 'that won't solve the problem' but can't find searching now and honestly can't remember exactly. I would think he should have particular insight as he has attempted to create a harem of intelligent women (I'm sorry but it honestly seems that way of late like he was dating these conventionally attractive actresses etc and then just suddenly had kids with one of his employees? And the Grimes thing happened after he found her on twitter because she made the same rationalist community injoke and they both had some kind of unusual open on/off again relationship the entire time. She often calls him 'bro.') Intelligent women are much more likely to have no kids whatsoever and to not want kids and if you look at Grimes for example she once said this:



So she's had three kids two by surrogacy and only one naturally and I think the reason for that is mostly how difficult she said the process was with her first kid (think she said she almost died or something,) but I think it's obvious that even on an emotional level something is 'disconnected'

Since giving birth she's focussed on making a lesbian AI album and become fixated with AI and the idea of becoming AI. In tweets she describes her gender as female-ish and that she's a middle aged man.





Now you can argue this is just cultural I suppose and that you can magically erase all these people but I don't think I agree actually. Apparently - and I'd have to verify this for sure but from what I've read - women who are more intelligent are less likely to want kids even when they don't have a career getting in the way.

Not only do I think intelliegence is a factor but there's also something else. White people are a minority globally but I don't know if that's mostly because of events like the black death but it seems like something may have happened there that potentially isn't cultural and actually genetic. So when they compare black women and white women they find black women's happiness after having kids is neutral and white women's is negative. Black men are happier after having kids and white men are neutral. (Which seems significant, both are also raised in a Western culture.)

But the technological influence globally is obviously a thing too it's happening everywhere. The birth rate is still collapsing everywhere regardless and probably connected to technology, urbanisation and population density I think.

And then what are you going to do? Do a Ted Kaczynski and demolish all technology and civilisation? Maybe you could buy some land and do that if you want to in a localised sense, but it's not going to happen on a large scale. She still kind of has that commune mentality I think lol. I dunno what kind of commune she lived on though tbf.

It really has to be a glamorised version to appeal to people. If you stuck a camera in our house on a typical morning, you?d put young people off from ever having kids:)
It is a glimmer of hope though.
I agree about housing costs and many other issue to be overcome

They don't realise how great a job they're doing of putting people off lmfao.

At their core I would say they are anti-technology really.

So many of these conversations are along the lines of "if you don't find various sexed things appealing you are a robot/alien/cyborgs!" "People being like you means they're becoming inhuman!" Don't get me started on the TV trope of non-binary characters being robots and aliens. Most recently it seems - Doctor Who.

I mean I like and relate to aliens but damn.



I don't like Doctor Who personally because it's a bit too family friendly for me so the writing doesn't appeal. I also think some of the aliens are a bit cheesy now lol. I know a lot of people really love it though but yeah just not my cup of tea. I found this video entertaining though because she's pretty funny.

"Is LoTR gay? Is Doctor Who transgender? This is a terrible channel and you should unsubscribe."

"What are you talking about? The premise in this show is that the doctor found these clothes in a charity shop she didn't get them custom made to tell a story about the suffragettes in the inner sleeves. She didn't pick her jacket because they look like the colour of the sky."

Also some of the other clips:

"How did you come across that voice?"

"Well I was told we want the pure voice of a young boy with the mentality of a homosexual civil servant."

LOL.

The most interesting thing explored in this video though is the cybermen and daleks and how the removal of gender is treated as part of the removal of their Humanity or perhpas personhood? Which is emphasised (since both daleks and cybermen used to be either Humans or another alien race.)

The Cybermen used to be human. They began experimenting with cybernetic parts in order to survive, over time they became more cybernetic than human. During the cyber conversion they have all of their emotions removed, this is partly due to the horror of the process.

With the cybermen who all used to be humans this removal is also closer to masculinity in it's end result since they're referred to with he/him or it pronouns never she and really their body type is also more masculine than feminine. The only exception is a cyberwoman character who is basically treated as an incomplete cyberman who hasn't yet been entirely dehumanised.

This has a lot to do with how we gender people. We gender them by observing their feminine traits when it comes to body, hair length, clothing style and language etc. Though the language thing has very gradually started to become eroded since the time of Ursula K. Le Guin's writing which actually does get brought up in this video lol and I was thinking about her before I heard that.

I think if you are afab it's very difficult to appear androgynous or even not female while having long hair. It's all about bone structure and body language really. Even though most people have minimal control over that and certain things come naturally to some people more than others I still think it's impressive when people manage to pull that off:



Especially as someone who prefers having long hair but wants to appear more androgynous in spite of that and doesn't want to appear hyperfeminine.

All the same people are still going to mostly read people like this as being male with long hair. Because that's how that was coded over the past few decades that kind of casual + masculine body language + long hair vibe:



Although saying that people will comment very different things depending on if the person is afab vs amab:

This:

He kinda looks like a woman, a really beautiful one

why is every guy from this era the hottest person I've ever laid eyes on

Maybe because he sat on a "silverchair" and got a magical energy that changed him into a lady prince! xD

I thought he was a girl until i saw the comments :(

vs this:

I thought she was he

If she womanizes herself she does have a girly face. And i dare to say shes pretty. But she has the hair of a skate punk dude and the same shorts and shoes any skater would use. Id love to see her dressed and her hair done like a proper woman

No, it's a dude ffs

He would have been very good looking man. Damn shame they raised him posing as a girl ! Of course that?s why she's a 'lesbian'.

Shes a guy. Born a male and will die a male. He just changed his name to Eliot

Kind of weird really lol. I'm not sure if it's their finding out the sex that causes this distinction or not. Possibly subtle differences in mannerisms. A lot of people also discuss if that guy is gay but he isn't. Tons and tons of discussion about him being closeted it seems going back decades to the point he addressed it in some interview. To me he doesn't even read as gay even though he's androgynous though I can see why some people might read him that way if they're less observant.

Of course a lot of these comments are transvetigator types as well who have conspiracy views that various famous people were born the opposite sex. Eliot is non-binary but afab/genetically female.

There are exceptions to this though that are very recent. Like how people think shoeonhead is male or trans, and this British YouTuber everyone was doing the same thing with about a decade before. And coincidentally I did find a super old comment from shoeonhead on one of her videos lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iI9CUE9g14

Hard to know how much of that is just shitposting. Obviously a lot of people have to know and are just joking but it's still a weird phenomenon and doesn't exactly happen with everyone on this scale at least (she also had dyed blue hair for a while.) I actually wonder if part of it is - at least online - when you have a mostly male audience they want to project onto you so they try to argue why you're a guy.

I can see how people might assume shoe is a femboy because of her voice + audience being mostly male + femboys existing now and confusing some people from an aesthetic pov but Randy Taylor/Rose predated all of that lol and has an obviously female voice pitch.

But around this time (early 2010s,) in my own life I knew a guy irl - not a very masculine guy either - who asked why I act like a guy. He knew I wasn't genetically male but still said that and this was during a period where I had long unnaturally dyed hair etc which isn't exactly a masculine trait (this was before it became associated with LGBT+ people and heavily politicised I should say. Or at least most people weren't aware of that connection at the time now it's a popular caricature.) Though granted I didn't wear dresses (he asked me to do that too.) Even now this still confuses me lol. I was never butch. I don't think I asked what he meant at the time and can't even remember my response now honestly. It was just like 'eh whatever.'

I guess with her it's because her YouTube name is Randy and the way she talks is somewhat boyish. And she one time uploaded a video of herself building a PC. But when you think about this from a male pov all these things are associated with being feminine. Like being a nerdy guy is seen as being feminine or less masculine at least lol.

I dunno I'm just really fascinated by this (obviously lol....) And also how it intersects with parasocial relationships and online communication and borderline psychosis + conspiracy thinking.

I was thinking if the opposite extreme moved away from dehumanisation but it doesn't when you think about it. Like characters like the Hulk and hypermasculinity is also kind of removed I think? Hmm...

Anyway this actually shows imo (in addition to what I say in this about parenthood being viewed as more androgynous than motherhood,) that a large part of how we view Humans is being a woman and a mother.

Grimes was previously diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder though she disagrees with the diagnoses I think but no wonder she identifies with this (also aliens historically,) so much now lol:



I'm not saying Grimes is non-binary because she's never used that label but she does map on very well to what jreg is talking about here with the posthuman thing lol at least her creative projects map onto that:



'posthuman abomination.'

Yes it's fun aesthetically etc. What if I'm Human and an alien. Symbolically/metaphorically speaking. Most people aren't cyborgs yet and their DNA is just Human so it's pretty clear cut. Regardless of what I do or don't do I'm Human.

But I also think if someone gets some kind of implant etc as they are starting to do now they are still Human. If we did encounter a very similar alien species like via convergent evolution we would probably consider them Human too - at least from a rights perspective and probably should. Because it isn't just about DNA.



She does strike me as being on that spectrum actually. Like with schizoid PD there's this sort of thing:

Even when schizoid individuals may not long for closeness, they can become weary of being "on the outside, looking in". These feelings may lead to depression, depersonalization, or derealization.[120][6][60] If they do, schizoid people often experience feeling "like a robot" or "going through life in a dream".[159] People with SzPD may try to avoid all physical activity in order to become nobody and disconnect from reality. This can lead to the patient spending a large quantity of time sleeping and ignoring bodily functions such as hygiene.[60]

Although this disorder does not affect the patient's capacity to understand reality, they may engage in excessive daydreaming and introspection.[44][160][161] Their daydreams can grow to consume most of their lives. Real life can become secondary to their fantasy,[7] and they can have complex lives and relationships which exist entirely inside of their internal fantasy. These daydreams may constitute a defense mechanism to protect the patient from the outside world and its difficulties.[62][120][162] Common themes in their internal fantasies are omnipotence and grandiosity.[60] The related schizotypal personality disorder and schizophrenia are reported to have ties to creative thinking, and it is speculated that the internal fantasy aspect of SzPD may also be reflective of this thinking.[163][164][165] Alternatively, there has been an especially large contribution of people with schizoid symptoms to science and theoretical areas of knowledge, including mathematics, physics, economics, etc. At the same time, people with SzPD are helpless at many practical activities because of their symptoms.[166]

Of course schizoaffective disorder and schizoid are different and schizoid people don't tend to become actually psychotic or have most of the positive symptoms of schizophrenia. Mostly they just get absorbed in daydreams and thinking and fail to maintain practical and social stuff in life + have difficulty connecting with people or wanting to (this getting lost in daydreams/thinking and not focussing on the practical is something I relate to a lot of course and I also have a cousin with diagnosed schizophrenia,) but there are certain commanilities.

I know she also thinks she's autistic though and there's a lot of overlap between schizoid PD at least and autism in terms of symptoms and difficulty telling them apart.

Speaking of Mary Harrington's blog I also get particuarly annoyed when people arguing these points are male. You want to frame Humanity as engaging in normative-sexed behaviour and reproduction. OK. A lot of you are actually mostly male. Liberals are increasingly female. You can't even give birth physiologically so what the [BEEP] do you know about rejecting/embracing this?

It's why I think it would be better to be an aunt/uncle because it's a less gendered role and still get to be around kids if you want. My friend's sister has a kid so he hangs out with him sometimes.

Lol hang out with kids when they talk about their past lives. Toddlers are so weird xD:



It's so funny the way kids talk sometimes where their sense of time is all over the place (I think I read someone explain this once but I can't remember the specifics.) Like she asks him if he likes making daisy chains and he says

"Sometimes when I'm an adult but I can't do it right now."

Sometimes they say stuff that sounds really trippy like this video I watched ages ago:



"When I was the strongest Emmy I used to go there."

I wonder what's going on in their heads lol because well I don't remember being that young now.

Some young children, usually between the ages of 2 and 5, speak about memories of a previous life they claim to have lived. At the same time they often show behaviors, such as phobias or preferences, that are unusual within the context of their particular family and cannot be explained by any current life events.

Like these comments I found on reddit:

Wow thank you for posting! My son (5) has claimed - since age 3 - to have been born hundreds of years ago in Thailand (we are the whitest, Western Europeans you've ever seen). He referenced his other mom, his wife, his friends, and has an intense interest in Thai food. We never encouraged or discouraged his stories. Everything in the article you posted aligns with our experience and everyone in our family said he was an old soul since he was a baby? this is so wild.

My son told me at 3 that he wanted to go to his other mothers house. The one he had before he was in my tummy. I thought he was making up stories and pretty much ignored it, but there was real emotion behind this. He told me he never got big and had a brother. He preferred girls clothes as soon as he could chose and told me he used to be a girl and had dark skin like his friend. I let him wear what he wanted. His preschool was very progressive thankfully, we never identified him as trans or anything (we were very okay with him being trans though if he was, it's just he was so young we decided to just let him be who he was without pushing anything on to him. He didn't ask us to use female pronouns or anything), sometimes he would say things like "im really a girl" and I would ask him why he thought that and he would say the same thing "bc I was one before I was in your tummy. I just said okay. We neither validated or discouraged. Just let him be him and had a wait and see approach. He would draw himself as a black girl, bigger than he was at the time. His interests in toys were also more "feminine coded" lots of "cute things" (his words), stuffed animals, pink, glitter, dolls etc.

He stopped talking about it around 5, this is also the time he began to choose "boys clothing" and fully identify with his gender. I want to stress that this happened on his own, we didn't want to influence his self expression.

Interesting. Our 4 yo has been randomly telling us she's a boy for a little over a year. We've reacted how it sounds you did. She does love dresses and naturally gravitates toward all things "girly" - but who knows?

One of mine stated very matter of fact 'mummy, you know when you die and then come back as someone else .... ' can't remember the actual question they were asking but it was just they way they stated it as a known fact that stuck with me.

Wow thank you for posting! My son (5) has claimed - since age 3 - to have been born hundreds of years ago in Thailand (we are the whitest, Western Europeans you've ever seen). He referenced his other mom, his wife, his friends, and has an intense interest in Thai food. We never encouraged or discouraged his stories. Everything in the article you posted aligns with our experience and everyone in our family said he was an old soul since he was a baby? this is so wild.

So creepy story time. A few weeks ago at our playgroup a new 3 year old girl arrived. Right away she went up to my 15 month old and started petting her face, her hair and gave her a hug. My friend sitting next to me goes "they know each other" I said no they've just met, she goes "no in a past life, I'm getting chills watching them" that's when I started listening to what she was saying. She said "that's my sister " and then while they were petting each others faces she says "I missed you so much" and gave her a kiss on her cheek. My baby was equally enthralled by her even though she usually hates people touching her. After a few minutes of this they suddenly decided it was done and went their separate ways. Watching it was a reunion. It was wild but the weirdest part to me was that once they finished they completely ignored each other for the rest of the playgroup. Kids can be pretty creepy

So the kid in the first video I linked also invented a story where he has a friend who died called George they were talking about death though so maybe that's why but someone else posted this on reddit:

I was on the couch with my 3 year old son and husband and what seemed to be out of nowhere, my son looks at both of us and says "Momma died, Dada died, and me. And then somebody found my head." I was like "When did this happen?" And he responded "Before I was Grayson." (His name). Then, he grabbed my face and said in a mean voice "Dig the hole." I told him "No, I'm not digging anything until you tell me who did that to us and who found your head." He responded "I don't know, somebody, but we buried in the ground and we died."

A few months ago, while I was driving and my son was in his car seat, he looked as though he was staring off into the distance and said "Mama, before I was Grayson, I was in my other mama's tummy and died." I asked him what happened and he turned his face to me and said "An accident in the car and my other mama died."

Does anybody else's child say things like this? I know children have vivid imaginations, but this seems to be a bit more than that.

My mom tells a story about me, about three years old, getting defensively mad that she didn't remember when my brother was the mommy and she and I were sisters. Another time, around the same age, we were looking at family pictures and she mentioned that I never met my grandpa because he passed away before I was born. And again in defense I said "well I met him in the place we were before I got here!". My four year old says that he and one of his cousins used to be brothers. I like to think we?re onto something

Yeah it's weird that they do that. I think I found an explanation for some of the ways they talk about themselves once actually like the kid in the second video but I can't remember now. I was googling earlier and couldn't find much.

Anyway I still want more research on this topic too since it's interesting.