So this post was initially about two things. But then because I'm still trying to understand 45643545 people's ideas everything else happened. Due to all of the editing this post probably makes no sense now too.
But uh I think I make a really great case here for why 'just because I'm not on testosterone doesn't mean I'm OK.' Hahaha.
Quoting a thread title from Contrapoint's subreddit discussing Rishi Sunak's comments about how people shouldn't transistion until after 25 because brains are still developing:
No it isn't 'terf island' and I'm going to need Americans to stop calling it that."But think of the children!" What is a child in TERF Island?
There are [BEEP] all radical feminists here for starters. Even JK Rowling is not a radical feminist. Rad fems necessarily lack status due to never being mothers and are mostly queer, outcasts etc.The academic feminists were a weird incoherent amalgamation of things - more succesful - but still mostly childless. They certainly don't end up in government.
Also.
"It is behind our robust and clear guidance to schools," the spokesperson continued. "It is categorical that social transitioning is not a neutral act and no one should be forced to use preferred pronouns or accept contested beliefs as fact." Since beginning his term as prime minister in 2022, Rishi Sunak has been recorded mocking trans people and his government has taken steps to rescind rights for trans people, especially in healthcare.As well as establishing separate pathways for pre-pubescent and teenage patients, the Cass Report also urges clinicians to exercise "extreme caution" in prescribing feminising or masculinising hormones from age 16 above, saying there needs to be a "clear clinical rationale" for the decision.I strongly disagree that we should make it as hard as possible for adults with low testosterone levels who are already risk averse to go on testosterone. Evidently they don't:I had the chance to start HRT at 16, after I had become sure that I wanted it, and I put it off until I was 18 anyway. All because people around me kept telling me that I might regret it later and that I should wait. Listening to that was the biggest regret of my transition.
I wasn't quite young enough to avoid the changes of 1st puberty even if I had started HRT when I first had the chance. But there are certain things, particularly height, that won't be affected by hormones after a certain age.
At least in my case, this was the consequence of a choice I made. Being literally forced to wait would have destroyed me mentally, and being forced to wait until my mid 20s would have killed me.
And I can't stress enough how most of our lives aren't amazing despite having not done so. In some cases we might be worse off. As I'm part of an invisible minority though no one really thinks about that. Just as long as you don't change your body they don't give a fucking shit. "What happened to the kids who grew up during section 28?"
This is what teenagers and young adults were doing 300 years ago:
Edit: This didn't occur to me until just now (and I only first read about these people a month ago or so lol,) but actually there was also a pirate vibe to his first two albums:William Cormac first moved to London to get away from his wife's family, and he began dressing Anne as a boy and calling her "Andy". When Cormac's wife discovered William had taken in his illegitimate daughter and was bringing the child up to be a lawyer's clerk and dressing her as a boy, she stopped giving him an allowance.[11] Cormac then moved to the Province of Carolina, taking along Anne and her mother Mary Brennan. At first, the family had a rough start in their new home; Cormac attempted to establish himself as a lawyer in Charles Town but did not do well. However, his knowledge of the law and ability to buy and sell goods soon financed a townhouse and eventually a plantation just outside the town. Bonny's mother died when Anne was young.[12]
It is recorded that Bonny was considered a "good catch" but may have had a fiery temper; she supposedly stabbed a servant girl with a knife.[9] She married a poor sailor and small-time pirate named James Bonny.[13] James hoped to win possession of his father-in-law's estate, but Bonny was disowned by her father. Anne's father did not approve of James Bonny as a husband for his daughter, and he threw Anne out of his house.[14]
There is a story that Bonny set fire to her father's plantation in retaliation, but no evidence exists in support. However, it is known that sometime between 1714 and 1718, she and James Bonny moved to Nassau, on New Providence Island, known as a sanctuary for English pirates called the Republic of Pirates.[15] Many inhabitants received a King's Pardon or otherwise evaded the law. It is also recorded that, after the arrival of Governor Woodes Rogers in the summer of 1718, James Bonny became an informant for the governor.[16] James Bonny would report to Governor Rogers about the pirates in the area, which resulted in a multitude of these pirates being arrested. Anne disliked the work her husband did for Governor Rogers.
While in the Bahamas, Bonny began mingling with pirates in the taverns. She met John "Calico Jack" Rackham, and he became her lover. Rackham subsequently offered money to her husband James if he would divorce her, but her husband refused and threatened to beat Rackham. She and Rackham escaped the island together, and she became a member of his crew. She disguised herself as a man on the ship, and only Rackham and Mary Read were aware that she was a woman[14] until it became clear that she was pregnant. Rackham then landed her in Cuba where she gave birth to a son.[11] She then rejoined Rackham and continued the pirate life, having divorced her husband and married Rackham while at sea.[citation needed] Bonny, Rackham, and Read stole the ship William, then at anchor in Nassau harbor, and put out to sea.[17] Rackham and the two women recruited a new crew. Their crew spent years in Jamaica and the surrounding area.[18] Bonny took part in combat alongside the men, and Governor Rogers named her in a "Wanted Pirates" circular published in The Boston News-Letter.[16]
When Bonny told Read that she was a woman because she was attracted to her, Read revealed that she too was a woman. To abate the jealousy of Rackham, who suspected romantic involvement between the two, Bonny told him that Read was a woman.[19] Speculation over the relationship between Bonny and Read led to images depicting the two in battle together.[20]
The motorway won't take a horse
The wanderer has found a course to follow
The traveller unpacked his bags for the last time
The troubadour cut off his hand and now he wants mine
Oh no, not me.
The circus girl fell off her horse and now she's paralysed
The hitchiker was bound and gagged, raped on the roadside
The libertine is locked in jail
The pirate sunk and broke his sail
But I still have to go
I've got to go, so here i go
I'm going to run the risk of being free
song about Penzance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vICBAyaBsWM
It's also giving emo (I use that term in an ironic sense because it's introspective moreso than the musical genre that wasn't really a genre anyway,) Adam and the Ants a bit:
The biggest themes in his early albums were restlessness/nomadic urges though I think and the search for belonging. Also the uh:
I am the tragedy
And a heroine
I am lost
And I am rescuing
The storm is come
And I am following
My name is Tristan
And I am alive
Forever young
I come from God knows where
And now I'm here
Without a hope or care
Yeah, I am trouble
And I am troubled too
My name is Tristan
And I am alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0dVFFOgClY
You were my husband, my wife, my heroine
Now this is our final December
Now I'm deep in a forest
Losing all thought of spring
And nothing can help me remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vX0_H2ewmM
I was once a boy.
'Til I cut my penis off
And I grew a hairy skull
Of stubborn fire
Then I was a girl.
'Til I sewed my hole up
And I grew a hairy heart
Of dark desire
But
There's no answer. just surrender
Send all your barriers into the fire
And
Let no foot. mark your ground
Let no hand hold you down.
Rishi Sunak:
"You can't refer to yourself as a heroine you're male no. What's that about cutting your dick off? I don't like that no."
I love how he was completely ignored outside of niche creative circles too. Like he never became that famous and so nobody ever freaked out about this like Twilight or Throbbing Gristle or Lady Gaga etc lol. And in fairness Lady Gaga didn't start the rumour about her having a dick:
"Oh that sounds fun."
"No that was supposed to be an insult what are you doing? No."
They complain about this too lol. "You can't say anything because *they* (tm) just absorb everything and get ideas."
That was just the UK obviously:Mary's mother had married a sailor, with whom she had a son.[3] The husband then disappeared at sea. His mother then began to send her financial support for the boy.[4]
She soon became pregnant again by another man, hiding the shameful second pregnancy. Her son died, then she gave birth to a girl, Mary. To hide the shame, her mother passed young Mary off as her first and only child, the boy, to continue receiving support from the boy's grandmother. The grandmother was fooled, and they lived on her money as long as possible.[5]
At age 13, dressed as a boy, Read found work as a foot-boy, and, then, employment on a ship.[4] She later joined the British military, and the crew of a British man-of-war. She later quit this and moved into Flanders where she carried arms in a regiment of foot as a cadet and served bravely but could not receive a commission because promotion in those days was mostly by purchase. Mary moved on to a regiment of horse [6] which was allied with Dutch forces against the French (this could have been during the Nine Years War or during the War of the Spanish Succession). Read, in male disguise, proved herself through battle, but fell in love with a Flemish soldier. When they married, she used their military commission and gifts from intrigued brethren in arms to acquire an inn named "De drie hoefijzers" ("The Three Horseshoes") near Breda Castle in the Netherlands.
Upon her husband's early death, Read resumed male dress and military service in the Netherlands. With peace, there was no room for advancement, so she quit and boarded a ship bound for the West Indies.[7] The ship that she boarded happened to be boarded by a pirate ship. Being disguised as a British male helped her, as the British crew members took her in.
There are certain repeating patterns even though not all info in every case is verifiable. Like below in the 20th century:Huang Bamei[3] (Chinese: 黃八妹; pinyin: Huang Bamei; 1906 ? 4 May 1982), also known as Huang P'ei-mei[4][5] or Huang P'emei,[2] was a Chinese pirate leader who served as a naval commander in the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937?1945) [...]
Born near Shanghai into a poor peasant family, Huang was a criminal from an early age, assisting her father in transporting and selling smuggled salt. She began her piracy career in 1931, raiding along the coasts of the Jiangsu and Zhejiang provinces. Though she was arrested and sentenced to death in 1933, Huang was released from prison through the intervention of her family and their contacts among the authorities. After the outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937, Huang was among the local gang leaders recruited by the National Revolutionary Army for guerrilla warfare purposes. Her loyalties throughout the war were suspect, frequently shifting between China, Japan, and various local groups as the balance of power in the war changed. From 1940 onwards she was more reliably fighting for the Chinese army. Her participation most often amounted to pirate attacks and raids, though she also participated in battles and was in contact with the United States Office of Strategic Services.
Which I think was the point of this episode:Huang's family was involved in smuggling and piracy. From an early age she assisted her father in transporting and selling illegally acquired smuggled salt. Her family were also businesspeople; Huang's mother owned a dram shop at which her father operated a gambling table. Huang was reportedly strong from an early age. She had started practicing with guns as early as at the age of twelve and had mastered using two guns simultaneously at the age of fifteen.[3]
There exist several unverified stories of Huang's exploits in her childhood and youth. One such story is that Huang while still a child was to be married off to a member of the Wu family. The Wus eventually broke the marriage agreement on account of Huang's "rough character" and her nature to "attack and confront". There are also stories that exaggerate her tough character, such as a tale claiming that she was once faced with two pirate ships while at sea and defeated their crews. Additionally, there are many unverified local legends concerning sexual affairs with influential figures she was in known to have been in contact with, such as Shi Lianyuan, a salt merchant in Pinghu, and Xu Ashu, leader of the local Lake Tai gang.[3]
"It's not fair. Everyone thinks Phoebe is this scary spider. And, yeah, maybe she's a little dangerous, but not much. She's just trying to live her life. But that doesn't make her weird or bad. Does it? I mean, does it?"
Are we still talking about Phoebe? I can't tell. Louise, are we possibly talking about you now?
What? I don't know. Maybe.
Oh, honey. Come here. Come on. You know all that so-called dangerous stuff? That's a part of who you are. But don't let anyone make you feel like it's all you are. You're also thoughtful and kind and imaginative. Part of the big, crazy mix that makes Louise Louise.
Your mom's right. You are a little bit of a risk taker, maybe, compared to some, but it's one of the things that makes you interesting. And it's not like it's hurting anyone.
I mean, you know, every once in a while, but probably not on purpose. That much.
Right. But, Louise, you're adventurous, and in another time, you might have been a-a, uh, a pirate. Uh, a nice pirate. Or a fun bootlegger.
Ooh, bootlegger.
Anyway, we're all glad you are who you are.
Well, that's... Thanks, guys. I like the pirate part. That was a nice touch.
"We're traditionalists"
Oh, so you're a big fan of piracy and the time Valerie Solanas shot Andy Warhol and wrote that manifesto? (I mean she grew up in the 1950s.) And so on.
"No but if we keep trying we can socialise the non-conforming kids so they act exactly like heterosexual cisgender people and they'll settle down have have kids and-"
No there will always be something new that you'll take issue with. You're not going to like when people start creating animal-Human hybrids. Well we'll be dead but you know.
Oh sure this is probably some kind of fallacious argument 'people can't just be running around like pirates' no shit, but there's still a point here. Teenagers couldn't be less impulsive now. Especially the group you're talking about.
I've brought this up before but this becomes a battle ground for several different groups of people when it comes to headcannons about fictional characters. It's not two sides at all:
And this is realistically how people view nonconforming afab people too as they grow up:
Still love that 'high IQ' comment lol of course he brought that up:I know it isn't cannon but louise seems 100% non binary to me. I've always just seen her as a ball of chaos rather than a girl honestly
This is a big pet peeve. There's this idea - always pushed by straight women though not all straight women - that if someone afab isn't trans they should become more feminine with age and not doing so is bad:Louise is just not a girly girl. A lot of girls who grow into goal-oriented young women. Don't waste their time with makeup and nail polish.shes also not cisshe's showing interest in boys and one wealthy old man. Louise is a eccentric heterosexual girl with a high IQ.
Keep your narrative off my comments.lol goal oriented women can also do makeup and nail polish[..]yes, how ever gole oriented young women don't obsess over makeup nail polish what labels are on clothes ect..
personally I prefer the natural look... Sexiest? The point I was making is that. One can start to tell what type of adult a child will grow into by what they think is important. In this episode I think Louise learned she has to keep her card game hobby and check. Millie, replace the wands with designer shoes. That's the adult Millie and she will have maxed out credit cards.She's shown interest in very few boys and ew, no, she didn't actually like Mr. Fish, she just knew he had money. At her age she doesn't realise the downsides of marrying purely for money yet and he'll most likely be dead before she grows up. It's a one-time gag joke in the show that never gets mentioned again.
I don't think you realise how many people are actually gay/bi/trans etc. as kids and don't express that because they don't think they're allowed to. I only ever made one comment to my own parent that would have them think I liked both girls and boys, and realised it myself at 20 after 2 decades of lying to myself and not questioning enough amongst the confusion of being on the ace spectrum (I never had attraction to the way people look, I'm personality only).
You can't definitively say Louise is a straight girl the same way we don't know for sure she's gay or trans.
So I'd really appreciate not making comments like 'keep your narrative off my comments' when you're being a hypocrite and inserting your own made up narrative. You quite desperately want a character to be like you, as do other people, and I get that, but the only people who know for sure their sexualities and gender when it's not been publicly announced are the team. Anything else is speculation. If you were honest about that I wouldn't have even responded in the first place. Well, maybe to point out saying she's interested in an old man is creepy, especially given that she isn't...took you long enough! More to my point.. Just because Louise is not into girly stuff. It doesn't mean she's gay or trans ect. She comes from a stable household and has a good relationship with her father. So she is most likely going to have "personal standards". Something a lot of the alternative lifestyle people have a complet lack of. Due to bad relationships with parents and in a lot of cases no relationship with their father. Kids need a good example of what a grown man and women are supposed to be. Louise has that, yes the Bleacher's are struggling but they have a stable household.... Louise LGBT can't picture it.
Is it possible you're lying to your self now. Not wen you were a kid. How stable is your life? Your reply reads like the rambling and elaboration of a bad liar.
From what I personally gather, Louise just seems like a major tomboy. She still does display girly traits despite her not noticing them, such as wearing PINK bunny ears of all things, she mostly wears dresses/skirts despite her boyish personality, her bedroom is still pretty girly, and there's her secret love of boybands.
I'm cis and I wasn't too different from her when I was little. I was a huge tomboy too. Though unlike her, I would've loved to participate in the pixie promenade at her age. However, funny enough I HATED boybands at her age. I LOVED rock and thought NSYNC, Britney Spears, and Spice Girls were lame and way too "girly" when I was a kid.
That is the interesting part of growing up though, because even straight cis people can become more in touch with their femininity or masculinity as they grow up. Now, I can admit that those bands had some pretty amazing songs. Perhaps Louise will be one of those girls who'll connect with her femininity when she's older and not view it as weak or lame just like I and many tomboys eventually did. I think there's this misconception that femininity and "girliness" is synonymous to fragility, so we're kind of ashamed of it when young, but realize it's beauty and strength when older.
Heck, look at Ellie from "Up." She was a filthy little tomboy whose only clear sign of femininity was a bow in her hair, but as a woman she clearly became cleaner and much more feminine.i was thinking about this the other day!! louise honestly isn't a girl (i think that's why i always relate to her tbh). i don't know what she is exactly, maybe non binary, maybe trans man, maybe gender-fluid, maybe genderqueer.
she's awesome and is just my favorite character, i relate so hard all the time w herThat text at the last second. Can't girls just be tomboys anymore? "Just us boys", she was clearly not meant to be taken literallyyeah i just kinda put that in there for fun? the text did say idc what you say, so
i don't even think she's trans, i think of her as agender. girls can still be tomboys, never said she wasn't a tomboy, but the fact that i don't think she's cis is called a headcanon- just cause it's real to me doesn't mean it has to be real to you 🫶transmasc iconI personally headcanon Louise as a trans boy-- a lot of you may argue that this conflicts with some lines in the show, but you know what? I'm trans and I see myself in this character so that's all that matters.I headcanon her as a Demi-girl or non-binaryThat would be kinda cool, but I sincerly hope this won't be the case. I think it'd be weird to imply that girls who don't act stereotypically girly are automatically trans. In reality, as this video states, there is no right or wrong way to express your gender identity. That being said I still think that trans rights are human rights, just for the record.if by kid you mean younger than a teenager than you cannot be trans nor should anyone infer that you are. Trans is a drastic step in altering yourself and so should only be seriously considered and discussed when one is a teenager and than solidified when they are of adult age. Children should not be saying they are trans because they are simply to young and all these "adults" that say otherwise are just advocating for child abuse it's what I believe and no one can change my mind on thatLEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!!!!For the record I'm non-binary and when I was like 6 or so I would have probably been into the fairy princess stuff. Just like Tina lol. I was very into mermaids anyway and other girly stuff. I also liked the spice girls as a child lol. Louise is 9 though so I'd moved on from Spice girls by then but still liked other pop groups not boy bands specifically and I don't think Louise likes that group she just likes Booboo. Also, I liked Beetlejuice a lot when I was 7/8 or so which my aunt found weird because she'd only seen the film 'ew why do you like that character?' Essentially lol. I turned one of my dolls into him. So I mean that was like a 'baby goth' thing I guess culturally speaking. Before I got into the music genre or any other related aesthetics or knew they existed. I got into rock more at age 10/11 though I liked stuff before then probably that my dad listened to but that was when I started to listen to my own music and got into pop punk and then other rock and metal genres over time. And aside from my affinity with spiders and insecurity about seeming young throughout my life (and also general liking of edgy stuff.) Tina seems the most relatable to me especially when I was her age. I mean she's more of a nerd, risk averse/anxious/neurotic, and into fanfiction etc lol. This is very me:I mean she is cis... there is the episode where she mentions wanting to be the first woman presidnt and also she definitely is romantically into boys; her liking boo boo from the boy band and also kissing rudy
This episode where she just develops a Blade Runner fantasy as a cope also very me:
Though saying that Louise's parts in this song where she's just like 'or not' 'this is great' etc are hilarious.
She's very repressed and rule abiding up to a point but just has these moments where she snaps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BAdSXpRKgk
It's also a very millenial thing stereotypically speaking. Probably because it started in 2010 but you can tell a lot of the 'stories' involve complaints people have about millenials, and issues millenials had growing up etc. Of course some stuff is just timeless as well.
She also was written as a male character to start with lol and the really weird thing is the voice actor didn't change his voice! I assumed when I read that he would have done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVERlwYRPb8
Of course you then get "But you were gender conforming and showed no/few signs. You can't be trans/non-binary"The fact that Tina was supposed to be a boy then they changed her but kept the voice is hysterical.
The important thing to remember is you're not allowed to be trans or non-binary.
I sympathise with the people who find it annoying when people are like desperately looking for representation in media. I don't think people should state stuff as facts when it's not specified but on the other hand a lot of people are alienated and have no real life community. So of course they're going to look for characters. On top of that when there are LGBT+ characters or really any minority characters people get annoyed. Like Jordan Peterson's subreddit freaking out about a black Juliet.
Half of them were complaining because she's black the other half because they don't find the actress attractive. In a stage play in the UK where most people complaining are American men. Kind of accidentally proving why it works too. Tom Holland is in this play as well and very few people were talking about how he didn't really look like a Romeo (and tbh he doesn't. It's a play about Italians for a start and he looks very Northern European.) This is the actual Romeo lol:
from The Sims 2.
Titania Summerdream is the hottest Sim in that hood though, mostly just because of people's makeovers though rather than her original look. She has red hair again Maxis clearly shared my aesthetic preference...
I didn't even know about this play and just stumbled on the fighting which is sad! I think nobody outside of theatre fans would have known if they weren't bothered that the actress was black and not attractive to them, or if it didn't also star Tom Holland. Most people don't keep up with West End casting.
I think my favourite part of the thread was the OP's comments later on in response to other's comments:
OP I don't know how to tell you this but... British people don't give a [BEEP] about what your founding fathers intended lol.Not unusual, but certainly not what the Founding Fathers intended. It used to be illegal and our culture was in better shape.
So this guy brings up Murica again:
Your country is younger than this play lol.You must be joking, no American would accept a trans Juliet, even less in ancient Shakespearean times.
So I think the context was several people pointed out that the original actor was a man because back then women didn't perform in plays as it was considered degrading or something. Because being a creative person is bad most likely.
I've never really looked into it but yeah:
Often times people argue that women were barred from things purely down to sexism but at least half the time the things they're being barred from are associated with men who are deemed corrupted or feminine. The fashion industry is also full of men and it's seen as bad to be interested in fashion now. Conservatives even dislike Barbie now which, I must confess surprised even me.These restrictions on women may be related to some of the negative views of acting in general, summarized in Puritan writer William Prynne's declaration that "popular stage-playes are sinfull, heathenish, lewde, ungodly spectacles, and most pernicious corruptions." According to many anti-theatricalists, plays were "sinfull" because they promoted pleasure and encouraged people to watch an "ungodly spectacle" rather than working or attending church. For women in particular, it was generally deemed indecent to participate in and make money from such public performances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_k8A43CSE8
Was it this song by a non-binary person or Stevie the Steven Wilson Barbie doll someone on Tumblr made? Or? Really it's because she's a girlboss lol.
Still can't believe this song didn't appear in the film and it wasn't a surreal horror film. I assume I actually still haven't watched it lol. Ben Shapiro's review was entertaining enough for me.
The end result of the culture war sure does bother them (all kinds of people for different reasons,) a lot too lol:
Straus is "emotionally lesbian," she says, but "culturally" a gay man: "Not really a woman, I've never been a woman. I'm a drag queen.""My mom was really incredible about the [BEEP] men that she surrounded me with," she says. "I felt so connected to the humor and the lack of gender that these men embodied who lived through the '80s. It was all about ball. It was all about drag" -- in New York's underground [BEEP] subcultures. "Everyone calls each other girl. Those things felt like home to me."At Avenues, a private school in Manhattan, Straus tried oral sex with boys ("I wasn't a hit -- they were like, 'Please stop,.") dressed super*feminine, "felt the most gender-dysphoric ever"'I came to terms with the fact that I am fully allowed to be both, in that I am so confident now in being feminine, but in this way that there's humility to it knowing that I could never wake up and put on a dress and walk outside,' she says. 'And yet, I can get on a set and turn it out. It's like using my body as a prop. Clothing is armour. Make-up is armour. It's everything. I really have figured out my own juj, and now I feel like I act the most feminine as far as my personality. And yet, my physical appearance is very in-between.'"So you have to be feminine."'It's a mindfuck to think about a female-presenting person who has said they don't feel like a woman, who then dresses as a woman as part of their artform, knowing fully the whole time that that is a character. That's a hard concept,' she explains. 'I'm not asking the world to be like, "Yas!" I mean, that's why I don't have 15 fucking Grammys. That's why people aren't streaming my music. I get that that's hard. But I'm asking people to have some fun.'
"OK well I'm pretty feminine in a lot of way-"
"No not like that!"
"You have to call yourself a woman!"
"OK well I'm a woman and I'm a man."
">:[ be a straight cisgender woman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[BEEP] I'm going to be the most masculine transsexual man ever if you keep on this way. Just to spite you.
No I like androgyny too much lol.
I still haven't watched any David Lynch but since people compared my videos to him and they keep comparing cool surreal stuff to him I feel like this is a big compliment for her:
Also I'm not saying this is definitely the case but part of me thinks the end result of your agitating combined with a lack of knowlege about sexuality etc is essentially the emasculation of all men which most don't like. Because of how categories work. You can't have it both ways:Hanging out with King Princess can feel like entering a time warp. At 21, she has the lush, broken voice of a hard-living lounge singer in a David Lynch film,
You have a significant number of bisexual women and non-binary people who want men to be feminine or they like the idea of them being attracted to men etc, participating in certain sex acts... They post about this online, write fanfics etc, fanart. This confuses men a lot when it comes to women who aren't 'like that.' So there's a never ending fight between people who aren't into masculine men, and masculine men who insist all women are. That's one way our culture is making things difficult.For the Western feminists, the issue of androgyny has always been an important concern of feminists. The concept of androgyny as a feminist value and personality ideal was first proposed by the British female writer Virginia Woolf in her A Room of One's Own in 1919.
Then you have the fight between androgynous people and masculine men. Because both side perceives the other as having control:
Then you have feminine women insisting that tomboys will just grow out of it and become feminine straight women as adults when even putting aside whether they are trans or non-binary or cisgender most will be queer. Deal with it/cope.
Also even if they are exclusively attracted to men not everyone does 'grow out of it' there are (rarely) straight adult women who are masculine or androgynous at least and some people become more androgynous later on than they were as children. Most of the people I see arguing points like 'lots of tomboys grow up to be feminine straight women' (never decoupling these two ideas,) are the first people to complain like 'why can't you be a masculine woman?'
Louise as a character isn't even 'very tomboyish.' And neither is anyone who was considered a tomboy during the Avril era which is definitely what she's describing because I can tell from the groups/ages that she's a millenial. And yet you still assume it's desireable for her to 'grow out of it'
You make absolutely 0 room.
Speaking of Avril.
And this comment I left 10 years ago is still accurate.Chainsaw guitar, I'm going to need that.
edit: Also Camille Paglia someone said:
It's incredibly hard to understand her so I can't say that I do with certainty because she's often so incoherent and all over the place (I doubt she always agrees with herself either for this reason.) For example take this quote I just found:What I don't understand is how Camille Paglia eulogises the age when the sexes (or is it 'gender'; I can never sure) occupied separate domains and never mingled (except perhaps for 'procreation', and the satisfaction of the sexual need of men) and when women have very little personal freedom, when it was that self same age where nonconformists (LGBTQIA) like Paglia, herself, would have been persecuted, perhaps to extinction.
I am terribly confused.
On the other hand she's often talked about the importance of penises and made a film about that and talked about how feminists are uncomfortable with penises. Yet it's clear that nothing makes people more uncomfortable than cunts. They can't even say the word in America.She approved -- of all things -- of the Women's March. "I think it's important that women rediscover solidarity with themselves," she said. "It really wasn't about feminism. It's really not about Trump. It's not about any of that. It was all of a sudden, Oh, wow, to be with all the women."
Still, the [BEEP] hats: She buried her face in her hands as she discussed them. "I was horrified, horrified by the pink [BEEP] hats," she said; the pink [BEEP] hats were "a major embarrassment to contemporary feminism."
"I want dignity and authority for women," she said. "My code is Amazonism. I want weapons."
I'm not going to rule out that she just simultaneously has two conflicting and contradictory viewpoints that she's trying to balance like personalities.
I think partly she is bitter though because of how she was treated by women when she was younger - in fact she's spoken about that on a few occasions. They all wanted to start families and she was like 'why don't you finish x project you're working on?' And they were like 'we're not like you.' After researching more she went from believing gender was socially constructed to believing it was biological. So she was disenchanted. (Clearly she hasn't given up on this entirely though hence 'we need more weapons at women's marches.')
She has in a bunch of ways developed a viewpoint on culture very similar to many men where she's annoyed by how the culture demonises masculinity which is why she has so many male fans on the other hand there are men who also strongly disagree with her enough to write long essays (and not just feminist men either.) She also has conservative anti-feminist women who comment like 'I'm not a feminist but if I was I'd be like you.' (Actual comment I just read on a youtube video lol.)
But people tend to ignore where she differs like eg: she tells women to be like gay men and in general idealised gay men. If she's going to be stuck with women, ultimately she wants them to be more masculine and more feminine in different ways. And conservatives ignore that part lol. In this sense she's quite similar to a lot of younger and even older non-binary people as I mean even Judith Butler had a lot of gay male role models too I recently learnt.
There's also this:
Her opinions on trans people and pronouns and androgyny leading to the end of civilisation just seems like self hate to me. At least if she's blaming androgynous people."I would go to a faculty meeting and be aware that everyone hated me. The men were appalled by a strong, loud woman . [T]he men at the college were terrified because they are eunuchs, and I threatened every one of them." Her interactions even became physical: in one case Paglia left an obnoxious male student sprawled on the cafeteria floor. After several such incidents, Bennington reportedly asked her to leave, but with legal intervention she managed to stay on until 1979. After Bennington College she landed a low-paying faculty position as professor of humanities at the Philadelphia College of Performing Arts (now the University of the Arts).
She doesn't get along with lesbians and has never had a lot of sex she kind of worships women from a distance:
As a graduate student at Yale, she was the only person who was openly gay. "I had no sex life," she says, "but I was writing a dissertation on sex." The dissertation turned into Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson, a 700-page study of Western culture which argued that "civilisation" was all about sex. It was rejected by seven publishers, but when it was finally published, when Paglia was 43, and teaching in the art faculty of the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, it made her an international star.But Paglia grew up in the 50s. So it was a completely different world for her at the same time very little has changed. She envied gay men because she saw lesbian life as being boring and domestic and she lived an incredibly risk averse life. This is amusingly (terribly,) a viewpoint Contrapoints now struggles with after going on estrogen and coming out as a lesbian.It's beginning to sound, I say, as if most of the sex in her life has been in her books. Has it? "Yes." And does she wish she'd had more? "Yes, I do." But surely, I say, suddenly feeling protective, it isn't too late? "Well," she says, "I was always cautious. I was also cautious about drugs and I'm glad I was, because my generation destroyed itself on psychedelic drugs. If my work looks odd, or sui generis, it's because people whose work should have been a context for my work lost the capacity to write."
There are gay men ftr who will often argue the complete opposite and be unhappy they can't find commitment. What I've mostly learnt is that no group is really content in an absolute sense. Content people are content and it's because of their personality.
When she says this she's really talking as much about herself:
I mean she's more comfortable with porn of course. I don't know if she's gone in a more conservative direction on that topic or not cause a lot of people have and she's changed some of her other viewpoints. Gen Z increasingly consume porn and don't have sex. Don't really want it. I don't think that's because of porn at all personally.What women have to realize is their own dominance as a sex. That women's sexual powers are enormous. All cultures have seen it. Men know it. Women know it. The only people who don't know it are feminists. Desensualized, desexualized, neurotic women. I wouldn't have said this twenty years ago because I was a militant feminist myself. But as the years have gone on, I began to see more and more that the perverse, neurotic psychodramas projected by these women is coming from their own problems with sex.
Pretend being the operative word here. But honestly it's unclear whether she's speaking from experience. I found the experience limited as it was since I wasn't willing to have intercourse - quite dissociative. I was just playing a role. I guess she was too but for me it wasn't a fun role. Not going into that again lol. Like her I prefer to view people from a distance:"That's why sex with men is so hot. You get the best sex from men. Actually, if you pretend you're not so dominant. It's so easy to make men wilt - if feminists don't realise that, they are stupid. What I see is a worldwide conspiracy by women to protect men from the knowledge of their own limitations. Men are very, very simple beings. They just want approval and attention. You pat them on the head and they go and conquer the North Pole. But they are desperate. They are exiles from the world of intimacy Their confidence is utterly frail . They need daily maintenance".
Professor Camille Paglia is shrieking this at me and having ignored the male photographer in the room, acknowledges him for the first time. "The life of men is one of anxiety" she continues. She never stops talking. I catch his eye. He fiddles with his equipment.
"My romantic life," she says "is non-existent. Except," she adds, in the way that maybe only she could add, "that, for the past four years, I've had a kind of cult for a Brazilian superstar." The "superstar" is the singer Daniela Mercury. Paglia went to Brazil to give a lecture and fell in love with the music, and the star. Mercury is happily married, and the relationship is platonic. And, says Paglia, "voyeuristic". Fans post phone footage of their idol on the web, so she can, she says, "follow exactly what she's doing every day".
So many people have issues with Lady Gaga lol but I disagree and it's ironic because she told women to be more like drag queens! And no most drag queens I've come across aren't sexual really in the same way... Maybe she meant some other aesthetic.
Musically I think people dislike her because she was popular and they only listened to her most popular music. I'm not saying she's the best artist ever but she gets disproportinate criticism and she has some pretty decent music tracks. Also it sounds like she formed this opinion in 2008 or something based on Poker Face and then just never updated it. But no in many of her videos she wasn't trying to be sexual and that's fine imo.
Imo she doesn't like her because it reminds her of the things she dislikes about herself. Consider this video lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE4L7SI-SwA
She was getting criticised for 'being sexual' constantly at the same time that Paglia had this issue lol which is also ironic.
Paglia liked to describe herself as 'the first rock n roll intellectual' lololol.Paglia also takes literally Gaga's recent line - that she doesn't have sex very often because she fears losing creativity through her [BEEP] - which surely was just a witty way of saying that men can be a distraction when you're totally focused on your work.
Also despite my not finding her generally sexually appealing the Paparazzi video when she's making out with guys on the sofa was kind of hot. Or I thought so many years ago. I don't know why people can't appreciate multiple styles?
Like Paglia you can't just be like. 'Didn't find this sexual. It's automatically bad.'
intriguingly I've just found this comment about her in drag as a guy from a straight guy:
But to be honest, i think she makes a much hotter dude than female (and I must precise that yes, I'm straight):OK then. The internet is a weird place lol. Where people live in the arctic and announce they find Lady Gaga attractive as a man :') not that I'm one to talk but yeah.MA Norse Religion, writer living in the Arctic
A couple of moments aside I think at least she was a lot less defensively aggressive than many pop stars around now. I don't even know if she'd agree because of the visuals but to me the Thot [BEEP] music video for example lol. I don't think it's bad though - because that's how people are feeling.
I was wondering what she thought about Shakira haha:
I'm really confused about why she included Lily Allen in that list. Like one of these people are not like the others in terms of energy lol. (Also tbh surprised she likes Beyonce even though many of her music videos especially early on fit what I think she's saying.) Otherwise makes a lot of sense.And if this isn't sexy, so what? Paglia herself admits that audiences still have "tigresses" who include "Beyonce, Shakira, Rihanna, Lily Allen, Nelly Furtado." Gaga is doing something different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WxDrVUrSvI
This song is just sadism lol.
I feel like she wanted to include someone who was unambigulously white and she has a certain image that is like working class in some videos. It's worth noting she's been accused of faking that but then class and money aren't synonymous her mum is from a catholic working class background and gave birth to her at age 17 but both her parents were famous so she obviously wouldn't have grown up poor.
Was it the dress with the training shoes? I bet it was the dress with the training shoes.
Paglia explain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWjNFC-FinU
The song 22 is a bit like this Amy Winehouse track thematically:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVaqQe3V498
More voyeurism.In her book, Sexual Personae, Camille Paglia mapped out western culture as one long battleground between chaos and untrammelled desire. Rock stars, she wrote, are the great Dionysian heroes of our age, acting out our wildest desires and darkest dramas on our behalf so that we do not have to.
I get that but I don't think you have to be attracted to women to understand that. Many women are obsessed with for example - rock stars. There were women who stalked Prince. Don't even get me started on kpop fangirls... I think that's why Sarah McLachlan wrote Posession:Paglia: Men suffer from sexual anxiety their whole lives. The domination by women is a crushing burden. I understand the stalker. I understand how John Hinckley became obsessed with Jodie Foster. It was similar to the way I was toward beautiful women. I saw Catherine Deneuve in a department store and followed her and spied on her.
This was a gutsy song for McLachlan to release because her stalker was still out there. "Instead of running and hiding I chose to face it, head on, and to try and put myself into the shoes of the stalker," she told iTunes Originals. "We've all been obsessed to greater or lesser degrees about someone or something and by putting myself into those shoes I could find a place for it and put it away and not let it take over my life."=OJodie Foster is overpraised, too. I thought she was good in Silence of the Lambs and The Accused, but she's getting on my nerves.
You know she did look attractive in some images I saw from The Accused but given the subject matter I wasn't about to watch it lol. And I hadn't watched it. I also really liked her when I was a kid when she was playing Tallulah. I was a bit younger than she was at the time. My school had a stage performance of that play so we had to watch it. I also like her in contact because she has long hair and glasses.
She doesn't like Meryl Streep so basically she has issues with WASP women (she specifically said she does, but she means a certain aesthetic.) I think her performance works for women in The Devil Wear's Prada because of her dynamic with Anne Hathaway.
She called Taylor Swift nazi barbie at one point because she reminds her of girls who excluded her which is what I meant when I said she's bitter.
Not mutually exclusive a lot of nuns were lesbians and it makes perfect sense. Back in the 60s some psychopthearpists did some weird psychology experiment on a bunch of nuns and found a bunch of them left and everyone remaining just became a 'radical lesbian nun.''I left the catholic church 25 years ago because I couldn't stand the dogma. I hate all dogmas'[i]. This didn't prevent Paglia from worshiping Catholic culture and declaring that in another epoch she would have been a nun. Paglia is a feminist 'nun' -- and a transgender lesbian, who happens to be pro-pornography!
Like this part makes perfect sense to me.
She argued this too at one point which clearly not lol it frequently blurs categories in a way that makes most people uncomfortable:
Not to mention all the insane stuff these days you read online. Technically people are more bisexual but there's just increasing animosity it seems. Or the animosity is more visible than at any other point in my life.Bisexuality is out best hope of escape from the animosities and false polarities of the current sex wars. Whether or not we can put it into practice, bisexuality is a great pagan ideal. (p. 94)
The real revolution will come when we are free of the false dichotomy of gay/straight and when bisexual responsiveness is accepted as the universal norm. (p. 105)
Fucking Freudians. But she must be onto something because that word and daddy is everywhere in a sexual context. Not my cup of tea but at this point I pretty much have to roll with it with some things because so many submissive guys like using that word.I was a lesbian before gay lib. I was openly lesbian in college, I went to college in '64 to '68, and the gay lib thing broke out in '69. At Yale graduate school, I was the only open lesbian from '68 to '72. The only one. And I took the career price for that. I shoved my lesbianism down people's throats when I wasn't getting any pleasure from it; I couldn't find anyone to be with! There is the irony, I took all the negatives without any of the positives! I tried. I tried to pick up women, I tried. In 1969 I traveled Europe with the handbook, the gay guide to Europe. I went from place to place, every city, and I thought, "What is the problem here?" All the gay men are finding contacts everywhere! You can't avoid it! Bus terminals, toilets, diners, everywhere! Finally I had to conclude, after so many decades of frustration, that lesbians are not looking for sex. It's not about sex. They think it's about sex. It's about mommy! It's about mommy is what it's about!
You have discussed the issue of imagery -- what are your thoughts about the Playboy bunny costume?
Feminists of that period were irate about it -- they felt that it reduced women to animals. It is true it's animal imagery, but a bunny is a child's toy, for heaven's sake!
I think you could criticize the bunny image that Hefner created by saying it makes a woman juvenile and infantilizes her. But the type of animal here is a kind of key to Hefner's sensibility because a bunny is utterly harmless.Yeah maybe. I don't have a specific thing for bunny guy's historically. Probably more cat guys (not a huge thing either but there were like several works and fantasies I created that involved that weirdly before catgirls were popular,) but I did like one thing with a bunny guy in recently and the concept of being hyper sexual and cute was appealing. On the other hand a large part of the audio was about bunny stereotypes and the listener was some hunter that got stuck in their own trap and the two alternated roles throughout. I talk in third person because I didn't exactly self insert into it.Hefner's women may have been uncomplex as personalities, but they were always warm and genuine. I never found them particularly erotic. I much preferred the Penthouse style of women, who were more femme fatales. Hefner's bunnies were a major departure from female mythology, where women were often portrayed as animals of prey -- tigresses and leopards. Woman as cozy, cuddly bunny is a perfectly legitimate modality of eroticism. Hefner was good-natured but rather abashed, diffident, and shy. So he recreated the image of women in palatable and manageable form. I don't see anything misogynist in that. What I see is a frank acknowledgment of Hefner's fear of women's actual power.
I don't think she's aware of gay men who have said things like this (there's a point where she overidealises gay men or did.) Also by bot he means bottom but points out he uses that word somewhat loosely. He's trying to describe a sexuality/personality type.All you have to do is look at the long history of the gay male world, beginning in classical Athens. No gay man has ever said when gazing at a beautiful young man with a perfect body, "I am making him passive beneath my gaze." That would be stupid beyond belief. Every gay man knows that youth and beauty are supreme principles that deserve our admiration and veneration. When we worship beauty, we are worshipping life itself.
And now, let's also think of the 'classic homosexual top' It is obvious that his homosexuality doesn't so much involve an idealization of maleness at all. He often likes younger and 'pretty' males, whose youthful flexibility and compliance set the very particular stage for his own male dominance to be 'truly' expressed at last.This kind of homosexual top isn't too consciously aware of the gay tragedies playing out in the lives of 'true homosexuals', of aging and loneliness, and always being second- best to a real man's real wife. He never fantasized as a little boy about Captain Kirk, Lee Majors and Rock Hudson. Basically, this type is in fact pretty cold-hearted which tragically, tends to make him all the more irresistable to the gay bot.
He has no existential crisis to solve, and isn't focused on dealing with being a different species in a cruel, unwelcoming world. He isn't doubting about anything and has an opportunistic outlook on Life, simply enjoying his fuck-pleasures in a childish way that is unwelcoming of depth, problems and painful philosophizing. We needn't be surprised that the bot, who always seeks love precisely where it can never be found, will readily fall head over heels in love with this type who is necessarily an egotist and sometimes, a malignant narcissist?He used the word daddy multiple times (actually 46 times.) It reminded me of Solanas writing about women now and then like her 'daddy's girl' thing (there are obvious differences but also reading some of this it's like: "oh my god it's her ghost wtf" lol I'm not quoting the more obvious example that sounds like her though):Perhaps a reader would like to point out that not all tops are into pretty boys. [...]
In fact, the [feminine gay guy] dramatized sexuality interferes with the top's real desire, of base, animal, saucy male/male virile sex. So his preference is for more manly types, who actually love getting fucked. [...]
The gay bottom in such relationships usually seeks sexual highs in an addiction-pattern, and significantly lacks the 'romantic dimension' that comes in when opposites attract. Sex turns into an entire lifestyle on a daily basis, and issues of identity are largely ignored, considered irrelevant No 'androgynous', 'hermaphroditic', or otherwise atypical male qualities are apparent. The psychic life of such bots is mainly organized in ways similar to those of his sexual mate, and of most 'normal' males. The biggest difference is really that he is more hedonistic, and usually becomes a slave of his own pleasures, which itself may have feminizing effects [...]
The point is that technically, he might be a 'gay bottom', but his homosexuality doesn't define all that much more than his sex-life. He isn't a very 'different species' And so we're not talking about these types either. Let's try to keep a general vision in mind of a 'classic gay bottom', who doesn't feel like other males from an early age, and who indeed did become something of a 'personage', the prototypical gay man who dreams of the strong arms of an alpha-male just like a young girl would. Are we on the same page? I think everyone gets the general picture. We're trying to capture a ballpark idea of an essential, core homosexual phenomenon, that involves fundamental attraction to maximum maleness and masculinity, and a sensed absence of it in oneself
the thing is, because Big Daddy is a psychologically undeveloped owned human resource, his need to uphold the illusion of his own power and dominance becomes all the more acute and excruciating. He can now only find proof and confirmation of it in the bottom's submissivenessWhen he talks about how a lot of gay men engage in casual sex it doesn't seem at first like he's complaining about this (honestly I can't tell,) but then he complains about the lack of affection between men and at one point being neglected in favour of men's wives.[...] even more crucially, he is submitting to a destroyed form of maleness, stripped of all ACTUAL power and creativity.
It is so obvious that the classic homosexual (the receptive gay man) has simply abdicated from wanting to be a dominant male,
He also has an issue with surrogacy unsurprisingly.
(Of course, what the classic gay man is really looking for is a real alpha-male, and this quest is inherently bound to fail, because a REAL alpha-male would pick a REAL girl).But honestly nothing has really left me more viscerally horrified than reading accounts online from men who dislike their attraction to men. But moreso autogynephilic men who hate themselves (who have labelled themselves that.) I don't think that has to be such a huge deal conceptually especially how it manifests for most people but there's a very toxic culture around this - and really everything sexual and the way other people judge things. Part of the reason it bothers me though is envy because in the latter case a bunch of them believe that having sex with men proves their own femininity like an inverse of what this guy is talking about and they're not actually attracted to those guys which is fine for them if they're on the same page (except for again the horror some of them have. I found their horror weirdly upsetting to read about.) And of course I dislike the implications in terms of values - femininity doesn't require sex with men. But sexually it made me feel pretty castrated as well because I'm not an archetype of cisgender masculinity but then I also wouldn't want to be because firstly I have no interest in hyper masculine aesthetics and also I want to be attractive to people romantically. But yeah the whole thing is very complicated and kind of a mindfuck. Which is also why I wouldn't be interested in dating someone who purely frames themselves using that lens. It's just very bleak.The implication is, that the classic gay man finds in the typical dominant alpha-male precisely the incarnation of everything that once horrified him most, in the depths of his being The alpha-male stands for everything the gay adolescent once viscerally refused. But because the higher forces he had locked off from society couldn't be expressed, and had since sexualized in his Psyche, the lonely gay man in a cold human world has no option left but to cave in to the now fiercely burning desire; he is now compelled to find peace and fulfillment copulating with the very incarnation of the form of programmed malehood that destroyed his own adolescence
I've not really done a good job explaining what I'm talking about here lol. This is difficult to break down though. Also the general mentality is shared by some lesbian women too who post about this online not just men. Like they claim to not be attracted to men but want their attention anyway and things like that.
Anyway though the primary focus for me is more other's 'femininity' also androgyny and his general idea that it is purely sexual isn't the case for me as I'm romantically attracted to men and have a lot of romantic daydreams. Though it didn't really work out for me irl during my brief attempts and sometimes I fantasise about men as women but I didn't always do that even when they were very androgynous in my writing/fantasies etc. So I don't think that's in any way necessary.
Oh I'm not a 'REAL alpha-male' of course either lol.
I sort of thought... He should consider dating gay trans men but I don't think they'd typically be masculine enough for lots of these guys. But they definitely often have romantic fantasies about men and historically at least specifically feminine gay men lol this popped up in research. I said years ago when listening to Quentin Crisp (who this guy referenced,) that 'God' has a funny (sadistic,) sense of humour. Also his life was quite tragic:
The homosexual world is a world of spinsters. Most homosexuals over the age of twenty-five will play, on the physical level, an active, passive or unspecified role with the same or a different partner from night to night or even from hour to hour, but emotionally they search perpetually for a real man who desires passionately (as opposed to making do with) another man. This being, if he exists, is so rare that one might as well enter a monastery on reaching puberty. The less drastic alternative is to live a real sex life in a dream world. This can best be done in the dark with strangers."The ... problem that confronts homosexuals is that they set out to win the love of a "real" man. If they succeed, they fail. A man who "goes with" other men is not what they would call a real man. The conundrum is incapable of resolution, but that does not make homosexuals give it up.There are definitely cis gay guys who don't fit what he's talking about at all too that I've come across. I'm aware of all the groups he's talking about and other's have written about that before but there are people who don't fit into that. But again none of them are that masculine (and I only have examples from the UK.) But whenever people discuss these things it becomes a bit unclear what they want. Although he did list some examples so yeah... None of the gay guys I'm thinking about are that masculine.In an interview with CBC in 1977, upon being queried about whether he desired to be a woman, Crisp stated: "Well, I suppose when I was a child, when I lived almost entirely in a dreamworld, I suppose I thought of myself as a woman. But, later on, you realise that you have to live in the real world, and that you are not a woman. You are only in some senses 'effeminate,' or 'feminine,' and you must learn to make this compromise - to live in a world where, statistically, you are a man, whatever you may think about yourself."[18]
"Having labelled myself homosexual and having been labelled as such by the wider world, I have effectively lived a 'gay' life for most of my years. Consequently, I can relate to gay men because I have more or less been one for so long in spite of my actual fate being that of a woman trapped in a man's body. I refer to myself as homosexual without thinking because of how I have lived my life. If you are reading this and are gay, think of me as one of your own even though you now know the truth. If it's confusing for you, think how confusing it has been for me these past ninety years."
"The only thing in my life I have wanted and didn't get was to be a woman. It will be my life's biggest regret. If the operation had been available and cheap when I was young, say when I was twenty-five or twenty-six, I would have jumped at the chance. My life would have been much simpler as a result. I would have told nobody. Instead, I would have gone to live in a distant town and run a knitting wool shop and no one would ever have known my secret. I would have joined the real world and it would have been wonderful."[19]
I prefered Spock :P especially around the age of 22. But that was like the new Spock not the og Spock. The original series was so dated that I could never get into that.
Ultimately he came to this conclusion:
I skimread this though and there's so much to unpack and a lot of it is a kind of a response to conservative's view of how male homosexuality develops when they argue things like 'we can't be close anymore because of homosexuality' combined with some stuff that's as I said more Solanas-like. And of course trauma from school again (that's a reasonably universal experience among people who are non-conforming really.) And some amount of respectability politics essentially. He's worried about the conflation of homosexuality with pedophilia etc. There's transvestigation and conspiracy thinking. There's a whole bit on Dawkins for no obvious reason in this text that was supposed to be about his own homosexuality he's not a fan of him probably for very different reasons to me lol. I think quite a bunch of this is religious. Saying that Christianity is a Satanic program ??? that's a little ironic (starting to remind me of some crazy gnostic guy I was in a discord chat with once I can't get into that lol I was also being an edgelord though so I regret that a bit now because some people take the idea of you being evil very seriously and I see it as a game,) also uses the word evil a bunch. Antisemitism in places.The gay man is in potential the most subversive creature there is to the evil stringpullers controlling the cattle-farm. MUCH MORE subversive than the most powerful alpha-male. This is precisely why the social engineers are managing this issue so obsessively
He has an issue with [BEEP] theory of course, with Judith Butler and is frustrated that nobody knows why anyone is gay among other things. The sentiment re understanding and people's theories not being very good is one I sympathise with though. Also because of the confusion I've had in trying to figure myself out. With what feels like no community/script etc like the mindfuck thing I was eluding to before because there's no map... Some of it really was like being an alien.
It seems he thinks masculinity = repression as he suggests this with both straight men and Judith Butler - he's particuarly not a fan of Judith Butler's entire aesthetic. But it's an incoherent complicated mess again.
Oddly he thinks Leslie Feinberg was genetically male and she wasn't... Possibly for the same reason he assumes others who aren't trans are trans.
Was wondering if he then brought up Paglia and he has. He also doesn't like rock stars.
Overly moralising while criticising others of doing the same.
The conspiracy stuff is actually really strong like I think he just believes most conspiracy theories. He goes into this in some paragraph.
I don't believe the idea he comes up with about homosexuality as an identity in the West leading to the existence of the personality + sexuality he discusses though as it exists in other cultures everywhere without that label...
But the stuff he brings up about not being able to find a partner does echo Quentin Crisp who was less schizophrenic so (and he brings him up though I think prob to disagree with him like everyone.) The rest isn't technically relevant. But it's just a lot.
I don't know if Contrapoints ever got this far. Her video The Hunger is touching on some of this and she's familiar with Paglia so she's gotten pretty far down this rabbit hole + has def been on 4chan so it's possible. It's just the abyss.
And Bronze Age Pervert adopted his writing (not Quentin Crisp I mean the weird 4chan guy,) and Paglia's mixed together somewhat arguing points that I'm not really seeing in his writing or like his writing is more conflicted, and then BAP decided to promote radical body building + youth.
I don't care for that physique/aesthetic and in a big way it's my primary problem with his ideology hahahaha. No there are a few other issues I have.
Wake me up when it's the 70s again though. Also wake Paglia up apparently lol. (She likes David Bowie.)
I still don't even know what it is about this photo that's doing it for me besides it being new but even then like what? it's not the most attractive one I think:
It's always certain people doing this though. Plenty of people are most likely content if they find partners and have certain personality traits. I think Jordan Peterson is clear evidence that following the normie conservative path doesn't necessarily help. Someone on reddit dug up this photo of him age 14 too:
And tbf. He doesn't seem happy to me or content. Of course that's not everyone's goal in life.
It seems to be the same thing regardless of the other details of gender, sex, sexuality etc. I think a lot of philosophers were that way throughout history too.
That's a horrifying thought really isn't it:
You want to believe that if you change your life in some specific way it will have some impact. It's not at all clear to me though.
And lol I decided to search this quote and one of the top google results I clicked on was a blog post by someone who related to the Loki quote and had a general feeling of restlessness and 'wanderlust' as I read on a bit after attributing it to their being an INTJ on the MBTI (which is not a great personality test,) they brought up that they are a Christian woman. I get it internet but I'm not converting lol. I've been told that as a genetic female everything in my life is a phase and I already finished the Christian one decades ago.
Alternatively just go for a really long walk lol.
"Oh right touch grass."
I mean it doesn't solve everything though.
Going back to Paglia lol:
In spite of that she always called herself a lesbian. I think there was a brief period where she didn't but almost always and recently she calls herself a lesbian.Interviewer: You're not taking the emergence of the radical lesbian sex movement into account.
That's not true. What I'm saying, though, is sex-positive lesbianism has to lead to bisexuality. There is no sex-positive lesbianism that excludes response to men. I believe women are naturally bisexual. My vision is of a universal bisexuality for women. This lesbian feminism, now twenty years on line, is a disaster. Part of women?s power is their power over men.
Also like (I was trying to find what she said about Jodie Foster and just ran into a bunch of other unrelated quotes lol. This happens to me all the time with everyone):
OK well I can't find it now but she definitely said at some point that she wanted Jodie Foster to come out as bisexual because she assumed the reason she was vague about it is because she'd had relationships with men as well and so didn't want to be boxed in. This was ages before she'd come out at all in general. I think there were rumours so.
She also said at one point though in an interview that she wasn't sure she'd been in love with a man either.The statement follows Gaga, in 2009, answering the question 'are you bisexual?' from Barbara Walters by saying: "I do like women. I've only been in love with men, I've never been in love with a woman. That's really what the song ['Poker Face'] was all about. Why when I was with my boyfriend was I fantasising about women?"
She later added: "I''ve certainly had sexual relationships with women, yes."
So it's funny.In 2013, she also told Attitude: "I am bisexual, I?ve said it before I?ll say it again, I don't need to - I'm sorry if this is a bit vulgar- I don't need to eat [BEEP] in front of people for the whole world to take me seriously."
Nevertheless, in 2017 Gaga told that year's class of RuPaul?s Drag Race queens on an episode of Untucked: "I'm not a gay woman, you know? And [it's] that touchy sort of subject where -- can you stand up for people that you are not necessarily fully part of that community in a way that you can understand what you all go through?"
She got what she wanted. (More or less.)
Oh I'm sure bisexual women in general fit her ideals more if you look at research but Lady Gaga really didn't if you look up quotes lol. She was a lot more restricted and not super into casual sex with men at least and said she didn't like sex until a certain point.. Reminds me of Paris Hilton (and she also hung out with [BEEP] women a bunch at one point.)
You can't say she hasn't tried sometimes.Lady Gaga revealed that she pushed for a sex scene with Salma Hayek in House of Gucci--but the scene was eventually cut from the film.
And yeah Tumblr seems to be full of people with various pronouns and genders talking about how they want Geddy Lee to be their girlfriend or about how he was obviously in a gay relationship with Alex Lifeson, and the women in China feminising male idols...
Men and the Chinese government seem incredibly threatened by this.
I'm just saying some things may have gotten out of hand (because people don't want to be lumped together.) And it probably started here:
I'm not going to stop clearly though and at the same time nobody's going to be OK with this no matter what so [BEEP] it lol.Plato
Back to reddit:
What's actually happening is we have a government that is beholden to the current economic system but desperately trying to appeal to ethnonationalists - it won't work even they're not that blind. They can't stop immigration and their party never has. In fact frequently it has increased under the conservative government.It's NEVER about the kids. When they say "I just dont want small children to be transed", thats a dog whistle, they don't give a [BEEP] about the kids, they care about the "deviants"
The UK is essentially incapable of being self sufficient because it relies on borderline slavery and life in this country encourages a kind of apathy and lack of motivation in general among people raised here not to mention the increasing mental health issues. We also import a lot of things. Current lifestyles can't be maintained outside of this system or in national isolation. The individual is increasingly a hermit but the nation state is the opposite. We're not going to turn into old school Japan. The ethno nationalist hyper trad simple living folk are kidding themselves. Few find their ascetic xenophobic hobbitry ideals appealing.
So people don't have the motivation or in many cases skillset to work these jobs. Interviews are also intimidating for the increasingly anxious and autistic. There are at least millions like her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdm1tIhOvzA
They don't want to get yelled at while working in customer service jobs (an increasing amount of jobs require good social skills too and dealing with the public,) and they don't want to be judged by employers who might remind them of past trauma involving either their own parents, or experiences in the education system. Eg: I have a memory of being very young and being yelled at for drawing instead of doing some assigned task. I used to draw tons of little people compulsively which I now see as symbolic. Many of them had tiny brief cases and things like that too. My mum compared this to L. S. Lowry and my drawings weren't as good of course but the same neurotic awareness of our culture was there at such a young age.
This memory of being yelled at for drawing could be fake - its blurry and I would have been about 4 or 5 but I don't think the emotions and what it represents are fake either way. At an older age something that definitely wasn't fake but similar happened where I was messing around with a piano at the school my mum worked at and the music teacher told me to either play better or stop playing.
IT IS LITERALLY YOUR JOB
that's the soul of the UK.
'UK teenagers would rather grow up to be YouTubers than go to space'
'A third of teenagers in the US want to be Youtubers'
That sort of thing.
Faced with the soul sucking reality of modern life people will adopt high risk/high reward strategies to escape. Like attempting creative solutions (which was often repressed and poorly educated in the first place,) or stuff people might describe as psychopathic - criminal behaviour, general parasitism, and sex work which people like Jordan Peterson seem to view as psychopathic as well. Writing erotica is also a form of sex work btw. The best selling novel was erotica so nothing to turn your nose up at. Welcome to reality you snob.
For someone from a developing country merely getting to live here is a huge goal they're willing to sacrifice their life for. People are actually dyin/risking death to get to Europe and then again to get to the UK because it's better than where they come from. So you can also find people with a strong work ethic and skillset who are willing to move of course. These are largely two different groups though lots want to come here whether they have skills and work ethic or not.
It's often noted by people like Bill Kristol that within a generation or two - if they stay here instead of sending money abroad to families there - children of immigrant families will be the same as the native population in Western cultures or at least the lower classes where they end up a lot of the time. Eg: if in the UK they lose this survival drive and instead live off the government, live off family, do odd jobs in a precarious underemployed lifestyle with periods of unemployment - freeters in Japan etc, live a criminal lifestyle, try to get into entertainment and do sex work - online if they can so they can avoid being around other Humans due to the frequent neurotic personalities that occur in developed countries. But of course irl sex work is less safe but still preferable to many women historically and now if you ask when compared to working in a factory every day for the rest of their life.
You can replace immigrants with AI - and they will in time - but not with the British (or American) population imo.
Work won't 'set you free.' A significant chunk of the country is mentally ill and 1 in 4 experience mental health issues at some point in their lives. Recent generations increasingly don't want to do boring shitty and stressful work for low pay like their parents who hated life - they want to play Minecraft for low pay. Or do onlyfans etc.
So to distract from that problem the government needs a scapegoat and [BEEP] people have often been their favourite choice over the past 100 years. Besides we earn very little as a group if you discount gay men now, and lesbian women decades ago but these days results are more mixed and lesbian women are earning fewer degrees. Bisexual and trans people are the least 'economically productive.' In the US. And after all 1 in 3 UK employers won't hire someone they know is trans in the first place.
Some of this might be genetic but the same people who dislike this reality are often the same people complaining about low fertility rates and wanting to ban abortion. ???
At least some of these assholes are consistent and think they're God's chosen one's and think that the 'hordes' (they frame it that way,) of economically unviable people who don't manage to make it in their high risk/high reward life paths should die out. Its all very Dickensian still. Because there are only three traits that are important in a Human to those people:
1. Being economically productive
2. Not being technophobic
3. Not being tribalistic and thinking your religion etc is the only right one and wanting to kill everyone else or something.
Yeah they fear the third is going to happen. Most ideological beliefs stem from a fear of others after all. Another thing that's increasing in Western countries.
The pronatalists are worried people who fit those 3 traits (and they think they cluster though personally I'm only 1 out of 3,) are overbreeding and they don't want them to reproduce and want to force the uninterested but intelligent and economically productive couples who live with their cats to have kids instead.
Doesn't apply in this case perhaps because they're LGBT+
They do seem kind of like relationship goals honestly in edited youtube videos at least. I don't feel any anger towards them it gives me a sense of hope about the universe because others like me have ended up in pretty [BEEP] life situations even when moderately succesful.
Like that one genderfluid trans guy from the UK who didn't medically transition and struggles with ADHD, autism an eating disorder, past drug use and issues with that etc + online harassment and unable to find a partner due to sexual preferences and one ex who he was in love with left him for a guy and I dont know all the details there but I think that was a big negative point in his life.
Not that he seems miserable given the circumstances he's definitely the kind of person who is able to tolerate a lot on a deep level but 'the circumstances' are considerable is what I'm saying lol. He was lucky to get a YT audience too of course and has also published gay male vampire books and some other book (or is working on something,) and I think released some music? Bunch of creative stuff.
Oh I know this couple has struggled with mental health issues too (the number on social media who do or have at some point is huge in general,) and we even have similarly sized Youtube channels in terms of subscribers and my videos get more views but still lol. It's irrelevant. I imagine the universe where I wasn't crazy and from a shithole town and was more attractive and started dating some visual kei or otherwise androgynous local musician whose photos I found online like she did and had a wife and cats now and had published a gay male romance book (as I used to write that stuff as a teen,) instead of whatever this is. Failing to motivate myself to make YouTube videos the only thing I had any success at (tiny amount at that.)
Because yeah the cisgender wife in that couple seems like a high functioning version of me with the same sexuality lol. I don't remember the details of her book but it's m/m romance again. She describes herself as cis-ish too. So I feel like she's borderline between a woman and non-binary from some things she's said in recent videos.
This is very aesthetic lol it's like a Patrick Wolf song:
This isn't my aesthetic now but there was a point where I would have been like =O Patrick Wolf vibes.
I wrote some shity poetry about lighthouses in my early 20s too lol.
Back then I also wanted like a pair of glittery turquoise converses (I guess some styles of shoes don't change.) Because he had this t-shirt that was like sparkly and turquoise and I was like 'what if that but shoes.'
But I never found a pair and I don't know if they exist and skniny androgynous guys continue to taunt me this way:
It's a conspiracy.
The stupid thing is I never just found a pair of basic turquoise converse knock offs and just you know painted glitter on them. Not hard.
My thing about red haired people and always playing red haired characters in games started before this though ftr. (Pretty sure it started with Poison Ivy lol.) I only got into his music at 15/16. I had other influences in life as well lol.
It's not a coincidence that I was suggested their videos either of course. It's one of the creepy things about social media. Even if you don't envy the Instagram normies it will find someone who is like you in some fundamental sense but better. It's very good at that. Well either that or the perfect thing to piss you off lol - that's twitters game though.
Tumblr is the 'look at this amazing cardigan/shoes they are at least 100 pounds and you know you don't need them but they're so cool' platform lol. 'If you stopped being lazy and were more talented you could buy some cheap knock off converses and do this yourself~'
Which is just rude lol. We all know since the failed custom My Little Pony project as a teenager (this was like the long furby thing before long furbies I guess,) and the time you bought knitting needles and a bunch of stuff that it's not going to happen. You haven't even painted anything in real life for over a decade. At least I made a home made phone case once out of a sock I guess.
Also they want anyone from that class who already has kids to have more. Even though they all start in their 30s even many arguing this that started in their 30s.
The visible contempt from people like this pronatalists leads to resentment that further justifies and amplifies these trends.
'the child not embraced. By the village will burn it down to feel its warmth' and all that.
My friend recently expressed confusion about a case of a woman in her 20s being euthanised in The Netherlands 'didn't know that was happening/legal' but it's far from the first case of this type. I was shocked he didn't know. When it makes headlines it's a white woman in her 20s.
'Terf island' rather understates the global problem.
The worst thing is that I wrote this post instead of reading Star Trek fanfiction which would have been a much better use of my time. I'll get past the first paragraph without falling to sleep or something else one day I guess.
Lol I just checked skype and my friend had messaged me this (entirely unrelated to our last conversation and everything this was obviously just on his mind):
Hahahahaha.Do you ever think about what happens if we have a generation of people who just don't wanna be doctors
Or any other key professional
Also speaking of YouTube and money I get sent these tax forms once a year now that have no explanation or cover letter it's just something to do with the US tax system. I didn't fill them in last year because I actually couldn't answer some questions they asked and my research on what if anything I needed to do didn't really go anywhere. I also already filled in something online which was supposed to stop this.
It's a 1042 S form.
Just found a YouTube video now talking about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-eYWLjBBqM
Just came across this video after looking at the documents once again. I kept going back to them because I had fears that I was supposed to do something with them but I've now heard from 2 sources (including you) that I don't need to do anything with them and that I can rest and file them away! Thank you for easing my mind. I thought I was going to get into trouble for not doing anything :)Hi Sheila, I was struggling to understand working of 1042-S form for two years, thanks a lot for helping!!Hi Sheila , just found you we are Neighbours In believe Ime in Geordie land , Do we not have to fill anything in online to say we are exempt ! , the last time it came up in the YT studio to apply online for a tax treaty for being in the Uk ! I filled it in last year as my earnings go to my accountant ! I wasnt sure if what I filled in online last year covers now ! just confused , thanks for your Info ;)You do not have to fill anything in online, i recieved a letter from the US and having looked up all info on it we in the UK do not have to fill in anything, my letter i will just hang onto just in case the HMRC want to see it, the UK have a tax treaty with the US so we do not pay any tax to them, you fill in the forms online when you are first monetised and that is it. You don't have to do anything else..There are lots of reddit threads over the past couple of years this has been happening too like:thankyou , I was 1st monetised in 2018 but I only filled the form online last year when I got a notification from Google Adsense , so maybe that was it ;)
I've earned money but I owe IRS $0 in money. I don't even know if I need to send it in, or where to even send it. Everything is so fucking vague.So it's not just me I didn't send anything last year but it's still confusing why do they keep sending mail? They don't make it clear what I'm supposed to do at all. Should probably complain at some point.Tbh I'm not going to send any thing back tbh, becuse I know I'm not owing anything. Yeah It is confusing, There's not even a head note explaining what's what.
They don't say that though what they say is:it's just an information return for them to tell you what you earned and what was withheld (which may be $0 if you filled out a form earlier saying that your country has a tax treaty with the US). you may not need to do anything with it other than keep it for your records.
Alien lol. So weird how they use that word.Generally, every non resident alien individual, nonresident alien fiduciary, and foreign corporation with U.S income, including income that is effectively connected with the conduct of a trade or business in the United States, must file a U.S. income tax return. However, no return is required to be filed by a nonresident alien individual, nonresident alien fiduciary, or foreign corporation if such person was not engaged in a trade or buisness in the United States at any time during the tax year and if the tax liability of such person was fully satisfied by the withholding of U.S. tax at the source. Corporations file form 1120-F; all others file form 1040-NR.
So does engaging in buisness mean geographically? But it doesn't necessarily because you said nonresident 'aliens' have to pay tax too.
Then they suggest going to the IRS website but I did that last year and it did not help in the slightest from what I remember.
It very much felt like this:
They seem to be wasting paper.
I do find the idea that I might have to pay tax to a foreign country but not the country I live in pretty funny not going to lie.
Also all this time and I've only just realised there's a way on this forum to disable text being turned into emoticons. That would have helped me before lol. There are a bunch of things that end up getting turned into different emoticons.
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