US Politics

[Ironman]

True, so you got to wonder why Trump is now removing the rules and regulations that are designed to prevent another recession, it is like he doesn't care what happens to you, he just cares about how much profit myself and his big business friends can make.

I do know that home ownership is down to the lowest levels in America since 1965. That's from the collapse that the Recession spurred.
Our interest rates have been at historic low levels, which means there isn't an incentive to save money - it's spend, spend, spend.

In this case, it sounds like the rules are so tight that it has been inhibiting the chance for small businesses to borrow and banks to lend.

In other words, the grip is too tight on the economy. It was designed to protect from a recession, but it's also prohibiting growth. They need to find a middle section on that.

This goes back to the lack of jobs. Businesses are going to need to borrow money to grow. I know there is one company in my city trying to add staff and they ended up having to ask the city for a loan instead of a ban because the bank wouldn't grant them a loan.

I had a rough time getting my house refinanced into my name because the bank didn't want to lend me money - and interest rates were rock bottom and my credit scores were high at the time.

[Member11]

I do know that home ownership is down to the lowest levels in America since 1965. That's from the collapse that the Recession spurred.
Our interest rates have been at historic low levels, which means there isn't an incentive to save money - it's spend, spend, spend.

In this case, it sounds like the rules are so tight that it has been inhibiting the chance for small businesses to borrow and banks to lend.

In other words, the grip is too tight on the economy. It was designed to protect from a recession, but it's also prohibiting growth. They need to find a middle section on that.

This goes back to the lack of jobs. Businesses are going to need to borrow money to grow. I know there is one company in my city trying to add staff and they ended up having to ask the city for a loan instead of a ban because the bank wouldn't grant them a loan.

I had a rough time getting my house refinanced into my name because the bank didn't want to lend me money - and interest rates were rock bottom and my credit scores were high at the time.

You are blaming the wrong thing, banks don't want to lend because interest rates are so low, banks make their profit from the interest paid on loans, if they can't charge a high interest than the banks avoid loans to businesses. It is why the banks are so focus on credit cards as there is nothing stopping it from charging high interest on credit cards. Also, removing the rules stopping banks from lending to people and businesses who can't afford to pay back the loan, is a very bad idea to do, that is what caused the GFC.

Spending is also not a bad thing, it is what creates a healthy economy and allows businesses to grow and create more jobs. The US economy is having trouble not because of rules and regulations, it is because the middle class has no cash to spend, due to low wages, the tax burden being shifted to them thanks to billionaires and corporations, the offshoring of jobs, high student loans, high mortgages for low value houses, etc.

There is just one simple and minor change that the USA government can do that would lead to the largest stimulus ever seen in US history, that is changing the minimum wage to $15. That cash will then fill the pockets of the middle class who would then go out and spend it, with more sales businesses would have no choice but to hire more staff and expand, who then has money to buy, leading to the secondary stimulus.

If after the increase the minimum wage was linked to inflation leading to an increase every year, the stimulus effect would be permanent. That is what is happening in Australia, our minimum wage is $17.70 currently and the last recession Australia saw was in 1987, two years before I was born.

The Republicans and their donors the billionaires and the corporations are lying to you so they can rob you.

[Member11]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

Days until achieving majority disapproval:
Reagan: 727
Bush I: 1336
Clinton: 573
Bush II: 1205
Obama: 936
Trump: 8

The fact that this will be driving him crazy makes me happy

[Ironman]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

Days until achieving majority disapproval:
Reagan: 727
Bush I: 1336
Clinton: 573
Bush II: 1205
Obama: 936
Trump: 8

The fact that this will be driving him crazy makes me happy

He doesn't care - he is in the White House to do his job - that's making a lot of people happy.

The Presidency, for one thing, isn't a popularity contest. Outside of the heavily urban states, Trump won most of the country. The President's first priority is to protect the sovereignty of our country.

The things Presidents do aren't popular sometimes. Trump's popularity will come from getting things accomplished, and things usually hurt in the beginning...

[sunrise]

The fact that this will be driving him crazy makes me happy

I think it will bother him, but he tends to get more stubborn when faced with opposition. I can't believe it's only been a couple of weeks he's been in office.

Senior Trump administration officials reportedly told national security expert Steve Clemons that Trump and company are running the White House like the Keystone Cops.

[Member11]

He doesn't care - he is in the White House to do his job - that's making a lot of people happy.

He is obsessed with polls, ratings and crowd sizes, he needs to feed his ego...

[Ironman]

He is obsessed with polls, ratings and crowd sizes, he needs to feed his ego...

He isn't the first; I can tell you that much!

[Member11]

He isn't the first; I can tell you that much!

Then why did you say he isn't obsessed with his popularity?

Outside of the heavily urban states...

Why do people in cities don't matter any more? What happened to one person, one vote? Why do the votes of only the people of the majority in rural areas matter? It doesn't matter if you like it or not, Trump lost the popular vote, he doesn't have a mandate.

[Ironman]

Then why did you say he isn't obsessed with his popularity?

Why do people in cities don't matter any more? What happened to one person, one vote? Why do the votes of only the people of the majority in rural areas matter? It doesn't matter if you like it or not, Trump lost the popular vote, he doesn't have a mandate.

He doesn't care about what people think of him - he cares about what he thinks of himself. He doesn't do what makes him popular; he does what he thinks he needs to do.

Your second point is exactly why we have the electoral college system. Cities are still part of their states. It's the whole state that is taken into consideration. The rest of the state balances out the big cities.

If we always went by the popular vote, the major cities of our country would be the biggest focus. Candidates would go to just the largest cities in the USA and then forget everyone else. Where does that leave the smaller cities and states? They would get railroaded every election. Hillary Clinton only won the electoral vote because of four major American cities - Chicago (which won her Illinois), New York City (New York), and San Francisco/Los Angeles (California). If California alone is taken out of the equation, Trump would have won the electoral vote. It shows how slanted big cities are. Donald Trump actually won the majority of the States in the election - that is how he got the votes. He won over Democratic states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, which has been hard to do.

[Member11]

He doesn't care about what people think of him - he cares about what he thinks of himself. He doesn't do what makes him popular; he does what he thinks he needs to do.

In the last 15 hours, Trump has been attacking the legitimacy of a federal judge for doing his job and the judiciary. Trump also goes out his way to personally attack anyone who has criticised him or his actions. He is the most thin skin US President ever.

Your second point is exactly why we have the electoral college system. Cities are still part of their states. It's the whole state that is taken into consideration. The rest of the state balances out the big cities.

If you are happy with it, that's fine, but you can't call the United States a democracy.

If we always went by the popular vote, the major cities of our country would be the biggest focus. Candidates would go to just the largest cities in the USA and then forget everyone else. Where does that leave the smaller cities and states? They would get railroaded every election. Hillary Clinton only won the electoral vote because of four major American cities - Chicago (which won her Illinois), New York City (New York), and San Francisco/Los Angeles (California). If California alone is taken out of the equation, Trump would have won the electoral vote. It shows how slanted big cities are. Donald Trump actually won the majority of the States in the election - that is how he got the votes. He won over Democratic states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, which has been hard to do.

Would you make the same argument if it was the opposite and Hillary won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote?

[Ironman]

In the last 15 hours, Trump has been attacking the legitimacy of a federal judge for doing his job and the judiciary. Trump also goes out his way to personally attack anyone who has criticised him or his actions. He is the most thin skin US President ever.



If you are happy with it, that's fine, but you can't call the United States a democracy.



Would you make the same argument if it was the opposite and Hillary won the electoral college, but lost the popular vote?

It's the second time a judge blocked it. The weird thing about this is that the issue would only be for visa- green card-holders, and citizens. They are the only ones documentally allowed to be here.
Trump threw the executive order out immediately the way he did so that there wouldn't have been time for protests to build until the "due date". He should be

The United States is a republic.

I would have to accept it. It's not doing any good to throw a tantrum. Trump has been pretty open to listening to them. I can say that when Obama won, we didn't do nearly the destructive stuff people are doing today. It's downright frightening.

[sunrise]

I can say that when Obama won, we didn't do nearly the destructive stuff people are doing today. It's downright frightening.

That's not exactly true. There's also been a rise in hate crimes since Trump got elected.

[Ironman]

That's not exactly true. There's also been a rise in hate crimes since Trump got elected.

Actually, I did a Google search, and the first several pages are articles from November for some reason. Those two were included. They went up once the election occurred but faded toward the inauguration.

Some even reported as fake by protesters posing as Trump supporters.
http://lidblog.com/top-30-fake-hate-crimes/

What I don't understand is that the CNN made no mention of Hillary's "deplorable" statement, which was as bad for a campaign as Romney's "47% speech" in 2012. It was equally as divisive on the left as it was the right.

I do remember some of those, unfortunately, but we have yet to see how long these protests are going to last.
The backlash has been more from the left as of when Trump was elected. The 120-day travel ban is the latest - seven countries the Obama Administration labeled as possibly having terrorism cells - and people are calling it a complete Muslim ban. If that were true: place like Egypt, Afghanistan, and Pakistan would have been included.

[Member11]

What I don't understand is that the CNN made no mention of Hillary's "deplorable" statement, which was as bad for a campaign as Romney's "47% speech" in 2012. It was equally as divisive on the left as it was the right.

Not true, CNN went after her just like every other media.

[Ironman]

I hit the wrong button .

I meant in the articles I referenced. Outside of that, they did go after her. The time frame of the articles I was searching for were in November.