US Politics

[Ironman]

Would you rather them rush out the drugs without proper checks and have people get sick or die from a bad drug?



I remembered it and Olbermann cited his source, unless Trump's staff are fake news now.

Nope that's just old news. It just figured when it has been brought up. It could be fake news. Everything you read on the Internet is true, right?

We need the research sped up. Other countries are beating us to the approvals these days. We just might need more jobs inthat area, not at the management levels.

[Cuchculan]

If you look at other countries though, for example in Europe, were they have made a drug for treating Cystic Fibrosis, you will see they are asking a price for the drug that people can't afford. Tried and tested. People who needed treatment once a month, after taking this drug, only needed treatment about once a year. After the trials they asked for about 100,000 a patient. They had something that worked. Something people wanted. Then they got greedy. For now it is a rich person only drug. The average person can't afford it and the various countries can't afford to buy it either. So you create the perfect drug. Then you can hold the world to ransom. Making it unavailable unless they meet your asking price.

As for Trump? He is like a kid with a whole lot of new toys. Jumping straight in and wanting to play with them all at the one time. The man needs to slow down a bit. Let people get used to him. Not just throw out all these new laws and want them brought into effect straight away. The man will run out of things to do in six months. He seriously feels like he has to answer to nobody at all.

[Otherside]

^Some drugs aren't available here on the NHS (our state health service) because of the price. The government won't pay for them. And so you can't get hold of them unless you go private. People have gone to court to get medications they need. Mostly this is the newer drugs that still have high prices.

That said, the price of medication in America is ridiculous. Even private prescription medication is cheaper here. If was paying privately for the drug I take here (Depakote ER, or Sodium Valproate), it would be 24p ($0.30, according to google currency converter). I need 112 a month. The whole thing would cost me $33.60.

To get the same drug in America, it costs several times that about. For the brand name drug (Depakote ER) it costs $380 got sixty. I'd need double that amount. For generic, it would still be over double, costing $180 for sixty.

I struggle to understand how the companies can justify such a massive difference in price between two different countries.

[sunrise]

That said, the price of medication in America is ridiculous. Even private prescription medication is cheaper here. If was paying privately for the drug I take here (Depakote ER, or Sodium Valproate), it would be 24p ($0.30, according to google currency converter). I need 112 a month. The whole thing would cost me $33.60.

To get the same drug in America, it costs several times that about. For the brand name drug (Depakote ER) it costs $380 got sixty. I'd need double that amount. For generic, it would still be over double, costing $180 for sixty.

I struggle to understand how the companies can justify such a massive difference in price between two different countries.

There's an article

Marathon Pharmaceuticals LLC says it will charge $89,000 annually in the U.S. for a decades-old steroidal drug that was approved for U.S. sale for the first time on Thursday, a price that is as much as 70 times higher than drug?s price overseas....The price set by Marathon, based in Northbrook, Ill., is 50 to 70 times what most U.S. patients now pay to buy deflazacort from an online pharmacy in the United Kingdom, according to advocates for patients with Duchenne muscular dystrophy.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compa...5wW?li=BBnb7Kz

Normally, the US drug companies try to justify their prices by saying it's necessary to pay for their research. But in this case, the company is saying it needs to charge this much to make a profit. If I needed this drug, it would actually be cheaper to fly to another country and buy it.

[Member11]

Nope that's just old news. It just figured when it has been brought up. It could be fake news. Everything you read on the Internet is true, right?

Don't trust Trump and his staff, got it.

We need the research sped up. Other countries are beating us to the approvals these days. We just might need more jobs inthat area, not at the management levels.

That's not how it works. Drug companies always get approval from the FDA first before going to other countries. In Australia, a drug company with FDA approval will get "fast-track" approval as there is no point in repeating the work of the FDA. If the FDA starts to hand out approval like candy and it becomes worthless, the fast-track will no longer apply for the USA. So, to still take advantage of the fact-track system, drug companies will go to Europe first. The USA doesn't have fast-track, so the companies are likely to leave it last or not at all.

So, USA will go from having the drugs first to having them last if not at all.

[HoldTheSea]

Trump removes animal welfare regulations and is going to stop the FDA from making sure animal food is safe

Omfg, this makes me more angry than ANYTHING I have ever heard about Trump. There is a special place in hell for him.
If I get banned from owning German Shepherds because of him, that's it, I'm leaving the fucking country. I'm already thinking about it tbh. I've been looking at real estate overseas, no joke. The US is no place to live right now if you have pets or kids!

[Ironman]

Don't trust Trump and his staff, got it.



That's not how it works. Drug companies always get approval from the FDA first before going to other countries. In Australia, a drug company with FDA approval will get "fast-track" approval as there is no point in repeating the work of the FDA. If the FDA starts to hand out approval like candy and it becomes worthless, the fast-track will no longer apply for the USA. So, to still take advantage of the fact-track system, drug companies will go to Europe first. The USA doesn't have fast-track, so the companies are likely to leave it last or not at all.

So, USA will go from having the drugs first to having them last if not at all.

So the rest of the world piggybacks on America? That wasn't what the last eight years were all about. There are still drugs approved in othet countries without America.

[sunrise]

Ambassador Palin

After White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Wednesday refused to discount the possibility that President Donald Trump might name Sarah Palin as the next ambassador to Canada, Twitter exploded with negative comments north of the border.But first to complain were politicians. New Democrat Party member of Parliament Nathan Cullen told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation it would be difficult to take the former Alaska governor and onetime vice-presidential candidate seriously because she wouldn?t know the truth ?if it jumped up and knocked her on the head.? He also compared her to ?another Donald Trump.?

Another NDP member of Parliament, Charlie Angus, characterized such a choice as insulting, saying it shows ?how little? Trump and Steve Bannon ?think of Canada.?

[Koalafan]

Keeping up with politics is like stabbing myself in the eye at this point. I definitely try to keep up with politics and know what's going on but every morning when I do read stuff my reaction is just "what the [BEEP]?" and I just can't keep going. I feel like I'm in the wrong timeline and I can't get out I try and not think about how we have a reality TV star as president. The Canadian border isn't too much of a run is it?

[HoldTheSea]

Keeping up with politics is like stabbing myself in the eye at this point. I definitely try to keep up with politics and know what's going on but every morning when I do read stuff my reaction is just "what the [BEEP]?" and I just can't keep going. I feel like I'm in the wrong timeline and I can't get out I try and not think about how we have a reality TV star as president. The Canadian border isn't too much of a run is it?

Let's make a run for it I'm only a few hours from Canada.

[Koalafan]

Let's make a run for it I'm only a few hours from Canada.

Deal! You can sign up for their healthcare at the border, right?

[HoldTheSea]

Deal! You can sign up for their healthcare at the border, right?

Not sure what their healthcare laws are regarding koalas, but probably, haha

[Koalafan]

Not sure what their healthcare laws are regarding koalas, but probably, haha

Oh no! I hope they have koala healthcare in Canada

[HoldTheSea]

Oh no! I hope they have koala healthcare in Canada

Koala healthcare is probably better in Australia

[sunrise]

I wouldn't mind living in Canada, especially Vancouver. Not sure about Toronto - I don't think I could handle the winters.