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    A pigeon landed outside my window and has been looking through my window for some time. I think this is the first time that's ever happened the ledge outside is thin. I mentioned this to my brother and he said the same thing happened to him earlier but it's a different pigeon and again doesn't normally happen. Clearly they are planning an attack.
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    Lol what? Strange transphobes are still going after that twitter user I mentioned before who is a cis lesbian woman. The one Glinner etc decided to misgender.

    It's performative femininity, he's dressing up like a sissy and he still is now with his Victorian cosplay dresses.
    Oh my days lol. There's a YouTuber who is a cis lesbian woman and very feminine. Kind of acts/presents like a 1940s film star. I know they'd think the same about her. She also got [BEEP] from feminists before when she was at uni apparently because of how she presents. Just really annoying people.

    Can we go earlier? Was I trans in 1995? 😂
    What did your brother look like then?
    I bet there's little difference between him and u
    I hope someone does this with me one day because when we were really young people just assumed we were twin girls and he was misgendered on a regular basis until he started puberty because he hated getting his haircut. So yeah, but not what you think haha.

    She was posting older photos from when she was a teen/kid etc and one looked kind of like Japanese street fashion. And yeah that sissy comment was about that photo which makes it a lot creepier actually. Also lots of people used to wear stripy socks like that back then. So to describe they have like pink and white stripy thigh high socks, pink sleeveless tank top kind of top, white skirt with pink flowers on, and pink legwarmers. I used to wear kind of similar stuff just in darker or neon colours usually instead of pastel shades. Like purple/black or red/black thigh high socks, black leg warmers, neon green fishnets etc. But I would usually (during this time,) wear like jeans with a skirt on top or a skirt and a blazer or something like that. Actually they have a photo like that too lol (blazer + skirt,) but it's pink again.

    It's performative femininity,
    To me all femininity is performative though (If I'm presenting that way I mean,) because it's not 'default' never felt like default. Even when I was 8 or so there were times where I'd put on a certain outfit and 'perform.' But I'm genetically female so guessing someone's sex based on that is not going work for you lol. They just go after anyone alternative who doesn't wear normie clothes at this point. I think most people they go after are neurodivergent in some way as well. This woman is autistic.

    They're also drawing lines on photos.

    They started talking to other people who posted their photos and they decided a trans woman was cis after writing down their observations about various body parts which I'm not going to quote but this line cracked me up:

    Violin is feminine coded as well
    Violin is feminine coded as well. 🤣

    From a different tweet:

    Both look like good female examples. Optimal thigh thickness and no obvious Adams apple. Feminine cheekbone placement and craniometric measurements.
    I want to say this account is a troll, they've posted a lot of weird [BEEP] in these responses (I haven't quoted the weirdest stuff.) I think they probably are a troll but they're barely different from the people who say stuff like this completely seriously. I think people saw what Glinner was doing and thought 'funny I will join in'

    Meanwhile on right wing twitter lol 'you have to be racist to be right wing.' (And this is coming from someone who considers himself to be right wing btw.)

    I'm not a BAP right-winger but please explain how one could possibly even be a right-winger without being racist?
    Does Catholic reactionary still counts as right-wing or left wing?
    Mix of left and right positions but if he doesn't even value his own ethnic group over others, I'd definitely put him more on the left.
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    "He doesn't even look gay. I have no idea why he was there representing the so-called LGBT+ community" - Posie Parker

    https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/04/...ak-homophobic/

    She said she bets they've never fought for gay rights in their life OK but you're 48. So please provide evidence of you fighting for that then. Did you protest section 28?

    Did you at any point throughout the 90s/early 2000s protest the law that means that teachers couldn't talk about homosexuality or be supportive towards homosexual students? All the kids knew what homosexuality was when I was young. I'm not a lesbian but I've spoken many times about how I was harassed by one girl.

    Did you do anything at all?

    Close to his entire school experience was under section 28:

    Wolf reflects that as a teenager, he was bullied at school in Wimbledon for his perceived eccentricity and effeminacy.[5] He stated: "Wimbledon is my trauma area".[27] At the time, he was unsure whether he was gay or bisexual. Mentors at school treated him with disdain when he came to them for support on the issue. The bullying problem was only rectified after his mother changed schools. Wolf comments, "With gay or bi people, I think education still wonders if it's a nature-versus-nurture thing. If you were black, they'd know they couldn't change you, and racist bullying would never be condoned, but if someone is quite feminine or knows they might be gay at 13, they think they can change you with a bit of rugby".[5]
    No because you probably agreed with it and want to continue this today. 'Leave our kids alone' [BEEP] you.

    Also: 😀 [BEEP] you.



    People don't generally get rights until it impacts the upper class.

    In 1954, the Wolfenden report began its investigation into whether or not homosexuality ought to remain an offence in British law, following the arrest and conviction of a number of high-profile men for homosexual offences, such as Lord Montagu of Beaulieu, Michael Pitt-Rivers, and Alan Turing; by the end of 1954, 1,069 men were in prison for such offences. The report, which was published in 1957, recommended that "homosexual behaviour between consenting adults in private should no longer be a criminal offence", and stated that "homosexuality cannot legitimately be regarded as a disease". Following a further decade of debate, homosexuality was decriminalised for those over the age of 21 in the Sexual Offences Act 1967;[5] however, discrimination against gay men, and gay people in general, continued in the following decades.


    And?

    And that voice. I've heard more mellifluous angle grinders.
    I think this is the best insult I've ever read lol.
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    OK I'm going to actually watch this but NO SHE'S WEARING GLASSES.

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    I think because it's the 70s.

    If you don't know what furries are it's when school children dress up as animals cats and dogs during the school day. They meow and they bark.
    I don't think that's quite it my dude lol.

    I sometimes just randomly say moo. I've done this for years. Just kind of a random habit. My ex found it very funny when I once just said moo to a herd of cows without thinking as well. I think 'moo' is just kind of funny. This was long before Doja lol.



    Oh my God and she's a cat too:



    Very common. Very old Human behaviour. Not deep. See ancient Egypt. Conservatives lose it anyway.

    Actually I prefer dragon aesthetics though. I wrote a dragon elf character into a story at one point and invented a fictional fantasy race of dragon elves who live in this mountainous region. I also created these fictional dragon gloves that shoot fireballs for a different thing. Dragon scale (or scales in general) leggings/armour/gloves are cool too.
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    The greatest player in the world - in his prime.

    In the Stanley Cup playoffs.

    I fucking hate life but also we get to see this, and it makes our jaws drop and it's so amazing beyond words

    I just can't believe it. We get to see this.

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    I'd love nothing more than to be happy with you

    Being happy with anyone else feels different

    You're my Stanley Cup

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    Oh darling, the children are bonding

    I'm so thrilled

    They decided to continue living with us for the summer

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    I wish I were a man

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    I think because it's the 70s.
    Hmm Anita Bryant spent a lot of her life hating men and was annoyed by her mum's submissiveness. That doesn't really surprise me.

    "I can relate to the homosexual... because I've had emotional scars in my own life. I really felt the rejection of my father, and that is one of the things that maybe lead someone going into homosexuality." - Anita Bryant.

    It seems to contribute to experiencing later domestic violence, bigotry and misandry moreso than homosexuality from what I've observed.

    And yeah JK Rowling did the same thing in her essay with trans men and afab non-binary people. I wrote something about her essay on gender actually the other day as it was related to another point in the post but then didn't post that post. So quoting that part:

    Although that is probably sometimes the case (I've come across dysphoric terfs before,) most of the time when they say they relate I just don't relate to most of what they're saying.

    A really great example of this is JK Rowling in her essay:

    https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j...gender-issues/

    So many thoughts about this.

    The writings of young trans men reveal a group of notably sensitive and clever people. The more of their accounts of gender dysphoria I?ve read, with their insightful descriptions of anxiety, dissociation, eating disorders, self-harm and self-hatred, the more I've wondered whether, if I'd been born 30 years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge. I struggled with severe OCD as a teenager. If I'd found community and sympathy online that I couldn?t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he?d have preferred.
    None of these things have anything to do with gender identity or dysphoria. You have OCD so you think you would have transitioned? And having a dad that would prefer you to be a boy is not an experience many trans people have, especially younger trans people who grew up post 90s.

    When I read about the theory of gender identity, I remember how mentally sexless I felt in youth. I remember Colette's description of herself as a 'mental hermaphrodite' and Simone de Beauvoir's words: 'It is perfectly natural for the future woman to feel indignant at the limitations posed upon her by her sex. The real question is not why she should reject them: the problem is rather to understand why she accepts them.'

    As I didn?t have a realistic possibility of becoming a man back in the 1980s, it had to be books and music that got me through both my mental health issues and the sexualised scrutiny and judgement that sets so many girls to war against their bodies in their teens. Fortunately for me, I found my own sense of otherness, and my ambivalence about being a woman, reflected in the work of female writers and musicians who reassured me that, in spite of everything a sexist world tries to throw at the female-bodied, it's fine not to feel pink, frilly and compliant inside your own head; it's OK to feel confused, dark, both sexual and non-sexual, unsure of what or who you are.
    I think it's really difficult being a guy and though I've never liked being short I think about how if I medically transitioned I'd have to live socially as a short guy, and I'd probably lose my hair (which I like,) I might face violence that I don't face now if people view me as a weak/effeminate man. That last thing is not something I worry about now at all really as someone who I'm sure appears female to everyone (JK Rowling brings this up a lot including in this essay. The worry about violence because of her female body. But I don't personally relate. She was in an abusive relationship in the past though.) I'd probably look really ugly if I transitioned and since I'm non-binary it's not worth it even though I often wish I had a lower voice. I just can't change my skeletal structure to be more androgynous in the way I want. Being able to shapeshift isn't possible. Then, I don't know how I could come out to my parents.

    The thought of coming out to my dad actually terrifies me. I get panic like feelings whenever the topic of trans people comes up in real life. Like my dad started talking about trans people a couple of days ago because he brought up Starmer and how he couldn't define the word woman which my dad thought was stupid and he said 'you are what you're born with if you decide to change that medically later OK' the two statements kind of contradicted but I dunno. So I know that my dad is reasonably accepting of binary transsexual women so long as they get bottom surgery, but thinks they're not women until they get surgery. I don't think he'll ever grasp that I'm non-binary and I feel like he wouldn't be accepting if it was his own kid anyway. He's ambivalent when it's abstract. If I medically transition, I'll be forced to come out. He's already questioned me before about not shaving my legs and asking me why or if there was some deeper reason a few years ago but I just made up some crap and really there's no particular reason I don't. I don't really consider that 'expressing gender' I dunno. At one point I expressed an interest in working out and he told me not to get too big. I'm too lazy to actually work out though.

    So I think about all that. I don't have any kind of irl social network with trans/non-binary people. My brother would support me I think though and he knows I'm non-binary.

    The most common reason for me to think about the frustrations of being female is honestly when I see transphobes and terfs infantalising trans men and afab non-binary people online, which led me to consider the broader way genetic female people are infantilised and how men are creepily considered men or masculine when they commit violence and we place everyone into a predator/prey dichotomy. I always find it annoying.

    I think there are a lot of social pressures women experience. I don't relate to most of them honestly. I've never worried about my weight or felt pressure to wear makeup. Even though a couple of people have commented on that (honestly very few people tbh, it seemed mostly socially acceptable where I grew up,) and at one point when I was a teenager I was forcibly given a makeover like a scene from a film lol, I don't internally feel that pressure. Said all this before but I also had a guy I was attracted to/sort of went on some dates with keep suggesting I wear dresses, said I was boring to shop with (he was kind of metrosexual,) and ask why I 'act like a man.' And even when I think about what happened to me I don't really care. These aren't traumatic memories, but I think it's bad in a political/cultural sense. Because someone else going through that might care and feel pressure to change. I do relate to the social pressures non-conforming women experience somewhat since I've lived through things like people reacting weirdly to me having body hair or my dad's comments which were more annoying and uncomfortable maybe, and I worry about the possibility of strangers commenting on my body hair if I'm wearing shorts or something. I don't want strangers coming up to me in public because of my social anxiety.

    I also relate to some cis bisexual men who are very non-conforming to the point of passing as female. I mean I spoke about the guy on twitter I straight up just assumed was a trans guy because stereotypes lol and the way he eventually responded to straight guys constantly thinking he was a woman and hitting on him. He had to announce he was a top lol and only interested in gay men, non-binary people and women responding.

    I sometimes worry that I need social evidence of being male for other people since society has a lot of restrictions firstly built around who is or isn't a 'real man' and I've also had people online demand to know how I'm a man (I mean it's interesting that he jumped to that conclusion as most people interpret non-binary to mean agender these days, but I think he was probably confused anyway lol,) but also people tend to be more accepting of trans people specifically if they fit stereotypes (even socially liberal people honestly who say things like 'men can wear dresses.' That goes out the window entirely if you're trans lol.) I don't worry about that with being female usually though there have been occasions online and also some trans feminists view certain non-binary people as essentially men and they feel a lot of envy because transphobic people don't let them into female spaces but will let some afab non-binary people who have medically transitioned and hell even binary trans men sometimes. In general, I think people both in the trans 'community' and outside tend to think of being non-binary in a similar way to bisexuality so it's like 'greedy' and 'you're really just one or the other but doing this to get some social advantage.' And they base which one you are on whether or not you've medically transitioned most of the time. One trans woman I came across seemed convinced that non-binary people should be neither gender and you can't 'go between both as it suits you.' That's cheating at gender or something lol. But in general, my femaleness is accepted because of my genetic sex.

    I find it difficult being a man in progressive spaces online because it's almost fashionable to engage in misandry and I don't agree 100% with the feminist framing of gender politics. So given that these are the most accepting spaces/people towards trans and non-binary people it's difficult. You are coerced in a way to downplay your male identity. There's lots of social incentives both in terms of dating and community to be female or to avoid being male. Even most non-binary people and trans men play into the social politics I'm describing and that's alienating.

    This discourse where people argue endlessly about this bums me out (I don't ID as a lesbian so that aspect I don't care about more 'am I invading [BEEP] women's spaces or not?' and 'is anyone allowed to be attracted to me categorically lol?'):

    genuine question are you allowed to be a lesbian and be attracted to someone who is Bigender?? i know you can be a lesbian and date nonbinary folks but the nuance of the discourse has evolved a lot in the past 10 years so we are kind of behind. /GenQ
    Not all bigender/multigender people are both a man and a woman, but many are and it's really gross to act like they can not be a lesbian (if they are comfortable with the label) because you think them being a man someone "infects" or changes them being a woman.
    bigendered are not women
    they are
    men and women at the same time which is impossible
    you can be fluid but not something and it's opposite at the same time? that's a fallacy
    Take it up with Slaanesh. One day I'll have role models that aren't chaos gods or figures bringing about the apocalypse. Or Satan.

    oh nd most people don't get this because they're transphobic as hell but this does mean that if you're a bigender person who's into women then u can be a lesbian and you're not invalidating your gender or 'invading womens spaces'
    We now have men claiming they are bigender - sometimes male sometimes female and that when they feel female they should be given access to women's spaces. What's really the difference between that and cross dressing?
    if someone is bigender, even under self-id they are not a woman. so they can't access women's spaces. i?m non-binary, assigned female at birth, and i don?t go into women?s spaces. legally i can, but i don?t. bc i'm not a woman, and don?t belong there.
    ??? surely the most common usage of bigender would be someone who is male and female.

    weird bigender things: simultaneously welcome in and invading women?s spaces ??????? is that how this works??
    There?s a lot of talk about how the phrase "women and nb people" is problematic but nobody mentions how weird it is to be bigender or genderfluid and not know if you?re allowed in these spaces or not
    i wish i wasnt bigender, im sick of getting kicked out of women-exclusive online spaces despite literally being a girl
    hearing stuff like this makes me legit angry. honestly you deserve to be in women-exclusive online spaces more than me seeing as how bigender generally means 100% woman (in addition to 100% man) whereas i'm 0% of both... who's doing this to you i'll drive over them w/a tractor.
    Lol a tractor.

    legit "spaces for non men" makes me feel so unwelcome. Like, we all *know* how they're gonna feel abt an amab NB
    Or a transmasc bigender enby like myself who?s on T and is both a boy and not a boy at the same time?why can?t we just have spaces for marginalized genders and leave it at that. Trying to exclude people based on their proximity to maleness only does harm.
    The lateral violence I've experienced by being trans and lesbian "incorrectly" as a bigender butch lesbian - the "men/non-men" binary, the questions as to why I'm on testosterone, the accusations of invading lesbian spaces - are not made more acceptable because [BEEP] people do it
    And there's a lot of men bad rhetoric in transfem spaces. Which hurts because I may be transfeminine, but I'm bigender I am, always have been, and always will be a man. As well as a woman and well many other genders but that's another post.
    ?What is Bigender?? Bigender is feeling both male and female (or more!)+

    "So if a lesbian/gay dates you is they a bi lesbian/gay?" No! Bi lesbians don?t exist! Bigender people aren?t men, they?re bigender, which falls under the NB label. Lesbians can be / like NBs.+
    The above two lines contradict...

    The pressures I do/don't experience have nothing to do with why I id as non-binary though. I internally see myself as being both male and female. I consider myself to be both and also kind of androgynous sometimes as well I guess. I don't experience that as some terrible thing done to me by society that I should never acknowledge because there's some moral reason to consider myself exclusively female. On the contrary, it would feel kind of painful to stop viewing myself that way in spite of everything. That is my preference. When I first started questioning my gender I felt the opposite pressure in fact to try and just be female because being non-binary is weird/cringe and there's still a lot of pressure to not be non-binary obviously. I also felt like there was a moral reason to consider myself female I think at certain points. Which is sort of what I get from terfs honestly. 'You should feel shame for identifying as non-binary because women are politically oppressed.' And this is one of many reasons why I find feminism annoying. The brainworms.

    If you find it to be something externally being inflicted on you, then you probably never would have been trans. There's a similar thing where people worry that they might be homosexual. It can be difficult to differentiate with ego-dystonic sexuality though I think, and I don't want to dismiss cases like that but yeah. Going back to this (and that's part of why I'm going on even though she said trans men, because she appears to be talking about non-binary people at certain points interchangeably because this has nothing to do with trans men):

    When I read about the theory of gender identity, I remember how mentally sexless I felt in youth. I remember Colette?s description of herself as a ?mental hermaphrodite?
    Either that or maybe you were forced by society to repress that you're non-binary or that you didn't have the option to transition and now feel envy? In which case I feel sorry for you. I dunno because I haven't read Colette. I only know of her vaguely because she has some association with Rachilde. Rachilde's friends kept calling them a lesbian and it annoyed them because they would insist they were a man. They expressed different things about their gender at different times though. Either way, I think people should do what feels right for them and what other people choose to do now should have no reflection on you or invalidate that you're female or your life choices.

    Well I seem to have magically downloaded the book. So let's read that section.

    I was secretly craving just then to be completely a woman. . . . I am alluding to a genuine mental hermaphroditism which burdens certain highly complex beings. . . . I happened to be making a particular effort at the time to rid myself of this ambiguity, along with all its flaws and privileges.
    - Colette
    Not really getting the point in connection with JK Rowling's stance. OK this quote is in a book written by someone else anyway. So I still need to find where she talked about this in the first place assuming that isn't the extent of it.. OK JK Rowling really should have put some sources in footnotes or something. I seriously can't find anything and not going to read all her books to figure it out lol.

    Finally:

    Ironically, radical feminists aren't even trans-exclusionary they include trans men in their feminism, because they were born women.
    This is annoying. And nobody is born a woman.
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    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    "The only dignity and value women get is as mothers... having children is the one social contribution credited to women --- it is the bedrock of women's social worth... Without [childbearing], women know they have nothing. Homosexuality for women means having nothing; it means extinction." - Andrea Dworkin, Right-Wing Women.

    Yeah I think a lot of conservative women feel that way. I don't really get that because motherhood is so incredibly gendered so much of the process etc has always made me dysphoric/uncomfortable. Like the process of biologically having kids always bothered me so I always thought surrogacy was a better option, or if I had a partner who could get pregnant that would be ideal.

    Then you're expected to take on this binary role in a relationship with someone else who takes on the masculine role and that doesn't appeal to me either... I've never really wanted that relationship dynamic with another person.

    The incredible fixation of these women on the fertility of trans masc people is incredibly gross to me too. Abigail Shrier's book cover (which I think publishers have actually attempted to change recently to make it more palatable from what I saw on twitter.) Is honestly mildly triggering.

    I don't see that as being the only thing a woman can be valued for and I think it's very depressing that some people see their options as sex object vs mother. First of all why are you rating your value by what patriarchal men think? Secondly there are obviously women who have contributed to science and art, literature etc that are valued for that.

    Did Mary Shelley have kids? I don't even know I would have to Google.

    And yeah their threat response is so great that they're all trying to block research into artificial wombs. They're fine with sperm donors for lesbian couples but hate the idea of surrogacy even if it's a friend of the gay couple who offers.

    Also oh good she's addressing Posie Parker. I've been aware of her insanity for years and years but high people have only started to pay attention over the past year or so.

    "Women who call themselves men should be sterilised."
    Lol yeah I remember her tweeting that. Was very mask off. There's a lot of elitist and reproductive chauvinism. So, separating childbirth or female reproductive organs from womanhood deeply offends these people.

    I ultimately (and not surprisingly) disagree with her feminist framing a bit towards the end. I think it's a bit more complicated and deeply rooted than just terfs being handmaidens of the patriarchy and useful idiots. When transphobic cis women freak out about trans women and create a fear narrative it attracts the attention of men because men, generally, want to protect women. It's also just part of the male gender role to protect women so, men who are very into performing that role (as of course right wing men would be,) will be particularly drawn to do that for social reasons. And women like Posie Parker know this on an instinctive level. When she makes appeals for men to show up in women's bathrooms with guns to protect women by appealing to their traditional masculinity she knows exactly the impact it has. I really believe she's a psychopath. I've listened to her unhinged comments about her husband and what she'd do if he ever left her.

    I don't think they're just the face of the movement and useful idiots to allow for male violence. They are inspiring the violence in the first place and influencing men and they in some cases desire that violence themselves, but even if they don't they want complete separation and safety either way.

    tl;dr It's all mostly just romantic/sexual fantasy projected onto 'politics.'

    Hegemonic men do dislike feminine men and trans women (for the same reason they dislike feminine men,) quite often and I already posted one of the main theories that exists for why (that from a young age many boys organise themselves into groups and then weak boys and later men have to be filtered out as potential liabilities for warfare and combat.) So they often don't have protective feeling for trans women ('moe') unless they view them as women which some men do and some men don't, and it also varies per trans woman, and they usually rank cis women above trans women either way. Probably for instinctive/reproductive reasons.

    When it comes to cis men the guys who spend more time trying to protect trans women are chasers. Yes even that abysmal Scottish guy I've argued with a few times who hates most trans people except the feminine transsexual straight women he finds attractive. His wife is trans and he devotes most of his time to posting on social media - YouTube, Twitter, his blog, to defending straight feminine trans women.

    There's also this kind of guy they tend to be quite sexist towards cis women and favour trans women instead:

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10....7184X221148208

    To begin to fill this gap, the author analyzes over 200 online discussion board posts and threads on Reddit by cis heterosexual men who discuss their romantic and sexual desires for trans women. The author coins the concept of transamorous misogyny to capture the paradoxical process of how cis heterosexual men?s desires for trans women is in and through their contempt of all women. Specifically, the author shows how the cis heterosexual men expand ideas of sexual identity as attraction toward gender expression. However, the men expand the definition of heterosexuality in ways that construct trans women as hyper-feminine, hyper-submissive, and as not real women. The men also discursively work to reassert their cis heterosexual masculinity through discussing how trans women are better than cis women. Ultimately, transamorous misogyny works to devalue all women and allows cis heterosexual men to desire trans women in ways that help the men invest in their own cis heterosexual masculinity.
    But not all chasers will do this some are very transphobic and that's probably connected to romantic attraction. The chasers who just like the idea of fucking a trans woman and trawl social media responding to trans sexworkers while at the same time retweeting transphobic stuff (I've seen these guys around yeah lol.) Probably not so much.

    I'd expect there to be more women defending trans women because women are more likely to have solidarity with trans women and also obviously care less about masculinity and policing it. In fact the deconstruction of masculinity in certain circles just becomes more and more popular as time goes on. Look it's moe again with a different label and exclusively referring to men:

    "He's so babygirl" is the new submissive and breedable, a phrase used to describe when a man is so primally attractive that you want to provide for him that became mainstream in 2021. Babygirl a term of endearment for when a man is being cute, comfortable in his masculinity, or weak in an evocative way. Women reclaimed babygirl and used it as an adjective to infantilize grown men.
    It's kind of gross when you view it through that lens lol.

    So when Posie Parker gets outraged and talks about annihilating women well yeah, she's going to have to. They will make up the biggest demographic against her and other transphobes and that's going to be very awkward moving forward. It's sort of been the elephant in the room for a while now lol.

    The right wing men won't change their position because they like taking on a masculine role and the women who are just as often non-binary or trans men and post on tumblr (tradwife tumblr aside.) That just isn't ever going to appeal to those guys.

    #I want to carry him in my arms #and spoon him but shhh
    #my wife is so beautiful fr <3
    #he is sooooooooooo #girlcoded
    #he looks so sweet and dorky I can?t #I wanna hold him in my lap and kiss him
    You know and they're talking about a man. I'm using such an extreme end of set of examples haha oh well.

    At best they have fantasies about raping us back to submissiveness that are triggered in response and start entire political movements about the emasculation of men or whatever. And shut down entire websites in China. So they're going to continue to try and find women who want them to play hero. It boosts their self esteem.

    And Glinner lost his actual relationship to this so all he has is the fantasy now.

    And there's a lot of straight women into that too. It's kind of a form of heterosexual heteronormative roleplay. There's more than just that going on, but that's definitely a huge part of it. There's a lot of gatekeeping you know the 'female chauvinism' thing I mentioned. Like on both sides there's a lot of gatekeeping. 'Men have to be masculine stop wearing dresses. No one should transition. 'they're(tm)' destroying Western culture by emasculating it. Less masculine cultures will fall to other cultures because they're going to invade. 'We'll lose our position as mothers' it's all very instinctive. I don't know if people are acknowledging that. Like you probably have to find a way to integrate different reproductive styles into the culture and we haven't so it's chaotic. It seems really difficult for people not to feel threatened by certain groups. We had a 'sexual revolution' and all that happened is people started having more casual sex and then we organised people into a few different sexual orientations based on genetic sex. No that won't do looking at things. Instead of going to bed I'm just going to sit here writing this and eating chocolate my dad bought me for Easter because it's there. I have great impulse control. It's really only laziness and risk aversion that explain why I'm not a crack addict now or something honestly.

    I don't really like infantilising women and making it seem like they're sort of victims in this scenario. Especially Posie Parker. Some of these women have trauma from domestic violence etc but I really do just believe she's a psychopath.

    There is something very gross about white women weaponising their vulnerability to appeal to the violence of fascistic and hegemonic men. And not in an ambiguous way in many cases literally 'calling on men to eradicate these monsters from society' Like [BEEP] do your own dirty work at the least. Fucking pathetic.

    I do agree the excessive focussing on female bigots isn't good. Firstly don't really get it I tend to focus on male bigots myself haha don't think about JK Rowling as much. I think about Posie Parker because she's a psychopath and they always trigger me. One sidedly demonising female bigots is sexist. But also if you attack women people instinctively get defensive and make you out to be a monster. There's stuff you can get away with saying to a guy that you're less likely to with women. And that's partly because men will just be stoic about stuff and more aggressive on average. People just take it more seriously if you hurt a woman's feelings compared to a guy.

    Edit: I dunno I think she's biased in favour of women and it shows in a bunch of her videos. The left in general is but for her specifically I think it's partly because of the radfem stuff she reads and because she's a lesbian. I don't want to be 'that guy' but I mean come on lol. The idea that you should ignore someone like JK Rowling who is a billionaire and just respond to male bigots is incredibly biased lol. And again I say this as someone who doesn't really pay as much attention to JK Rowling as: Jordan Peterson, Posie Parker, Matt Walsh, Glinner etc. I think the reason not to respond to her if anything is it's always going to be used against you because she's beloved and very protected. 'The attention should be on the US Republican party' Um Contrapoints please stop being American and doing the American thing. Some of us don't live in your country. She also brings up the conservative party but both labour and the conservatives in the UK are transphobic. We are [BEEP] out of luck here and she has no idea again. There are communist parties and groups here that are very transphobic.
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    I swear Neil Gaiman is the only famous person on tumblr. Literally the only famous person I've stumbled on (not including YouTubers.) That's kind of hilarious. I like that though. Oh maybe Amanda Palmer has an account too? I vaguely remember. And then that's it haha. I dunno if Ryan Reynolds stuck around after that whole fiasco or not lol. Needless to say this was unusual enough that a ton of media outlets wrote about it.

    It's been a long, long time since I posted to Tumblr, but I have a decent reason to come over: my band - The Dresden Dolls - is finally touring again. Yeeeeee!!!!

    Brian (the other Doll) and I are slowly but surely working on a new record (it'll be our first studio album in, gulp, about 20 years), and we are plotting a huge global touring show in a few years. We are getting ready...slowly, and we want to start where we like it: in sweaty, intimate tiny little clubs.

    So we are gonna do four runs of TEENY TINY CLUB SHOWS over four weekends in the USA this May/June. New songs, old songs, experiments, covers, joy, catharsis. Loud. Quiet. FEELINGS.
    That's cool. That was actually the last concert I went to lol on Halloween 2018 :') since I didn't go to any in 2019 and then covid happened. Also Neil Gaiman was there because they were married then (think they're getting divorced now.) I like a lot of their music and Amanda Palmer's solo work as well.









    I really like this photo too like the demonic vibes and the juxtaposition of the butterfly and gun. I think I had it as an avatar before lol:



    The video to this is cool but there's no HD upload on YouTube:



    I'm actually not a fan of Neil Gaiman's work exactly. I mean I read some Sandman comics and that's cool and I also started reading Good Omens which he co-wrote with Terry Pratchett when I was a teenager but then didn't finish that. Also I liked the Stardust film but didn't read the book. In spite of that I've had like two dreams which he's popped up in lol (many years ago now.) In one of them he was my uncle and gave me a hug. So people on Tumblr joke about him being some kind of dad figure like Tumblr's dad (they were joking about that after he got irritated with people messaging him about the Goncharov meme hahaha,) and honestly I don't even read his Tumblr regularly or anything, but I think my subconscious decided he's some kind of surrogate father figure. 🤔 In the other dream with him I don't really remember most of the details he was just randomly a guest staying at my house in the dream for a bit and I think the layout of the house was very weird from what I remember (in a surreal way,) and kind of Asian themed.

    I mean famous people who don't have much significance to me irl do pop up in my dreams though. (Or did when I actually remembered my dreams more ._.) I once had a dream that included John Waters and I haven't seen any of his work at all.
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    Lol Aella's twitter :')

    what was your biggest twitter controversy?
    tie between getting railed by 6 men, vs. research while being a sex worker, vs. that one AI child porn take, vs. that one make-a-wish prostitute poll, vs. the bestiality question, vs. the catcalling racism one
    YES SORRY I FORGOT THE SHOWER THING there's just so many i can't keep track
    Honestly the shower thing (she rarely showers,) is the thing I see/saw people bring up the most. Which is just bizarre.
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    Aperol Spritz is disgusting. I tried it. I don't like it. It's some bizarre bitter concoction that is an alarming shade of red. The same is true of Campari.

    To anybody from Northern Italy I apologise.
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    Really? Everyone decided to focus on critiquing the part of Contrapoint's video about Vaush on twitter instead of the general female/radfem bias? OK lol. I guess that usually happens because of parasocial stuff. I don't really watch his content or care about him that much.

    I think his tweet to JK Rowling (where he said 'women be quieter and start apologising challenge') was pretty dumb but ftr I think there's a class difference in humour/coping mechanisms/rhetoric going on. Vaush's tweet was one that I'm pretty sure he actually picked up from Shoe0nHead. (like this. Not the best example but I cba trying to find one of the others. Oh nevermind there's an example later in the same video.) Americans don't think about class much but I pick up on it pretty easily watching different YouTubers lol. Shoe is obviously lower middle and also never went to university has associated politics. Contrapoints is upper middle class has the associated political opinions PhD drop out which means she has a masters degree. Then Vaush got defensive about it because he didn't like being called a misogynist and I'm sure he's probably fairly obnoxious. I mean most debate bros are to varying extents that's kind of the thing. I do think it's bad faith to insist his entire motivation politically is just so he can be a dick though lol.

    Also Contrapoints has said worse things about men when she's frustrated, though she often deletes tweets I guess.



    'all acceptance means is he can fit you into his inherently violent sexuality of masculine domination of feminine objects'

    OK thank you for that. I actually have way more diverse emotional feelings about the people I'm attracted to besides 'masculine domination of feminine objects' porn ≠ the totality of my feelings.

    It's not at all clear that she's talking about Andrew Tate in the second tweet she just decides to extend her viewpoint to 'men (tm)'

    This was then reposted on an account that resposts most of her deleted tweets and the responses were all agreeing (even people who admitted to disliking her):

    She?s correct here
    Deleting another normal cold take
    Banger tweet from her
    This is the best take I've seen on this and I don't like her
    Why even delete this. Just, why. It's not only completely correct, it's an important point to make. 😔
    why does she delete uncontroversial bangers?
    Rare Contra W
    So it really goes far beyond Contrapoints. Remember when I said this lol yeah exactly:

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    I find it difficult being a man in progressive spaces online because it's almost fashionable to engage in misandry and I don't agree 100% with the feminist framing of gender politics. So given that these are the most accepting spaces/people towards trans and non-binary people it's difficult. You are coerced in a way to downplay your male identity. There's lots of social incentives both in terms of dating and community to be female or to avoid being male. Even most non-binary people and trans men play into the social politics I'm describing and that's alienating.
    But again, I think the important problem in her argument in the video is her framing of female transphobes as somehow lacking in agency compared to men. Being 'useful idiots.' And saying 'JK Rowling is not the final boss of transphobia. She's not our devil. The devil is the Republican party. The conservative party. The devil is patriarchy. It's the right wing men who will be the ones to put gender critical theory into brutal practice.'

    Yeah I've moved beyond this one sided gender politics. (Well actually I was never really on that train in the first place tbh lol.) They're both as bad as each other and feed each other in an endless cycle. Also the UK is all over the place in regards to cultural issues and there are lots of transphobes in the conservative party, in the labour party, in communist groups, all over the political spectrum. Keir Starmer refuses to take a clear stance on the issue because he knows it's so polarising.

    Meanwhile:



    The Tories need to be different in London to have a chance of recapturing the capital, a mayoral hopeful who backs legalising cannabis, decriminalising street prostitution and self-identification for trans people has said....
    The idea that trans people are some kind of danger was quite possibly the most ludicrous canard I had seen in my political life
    My long-running belief is that the conservative party in London has got a different flavour to other parts of the country.. We need a distinctive London voice.

    We're not as hung up about things like immigration because we are the most diverse and multicultural city on the planet. That is our strength
    Everyone got really high at some point, presumably on the cannabis he's talking about, and decided they'd try to move closer to the centre and appeal to the opposite group of voters. Here's Labour echoing fascism light (emphasising crime is often brought up by fascists and the far right it's a major part of their political playbook):

    https://labourtogether.uk/report/red-shift

    Labour must hold the line on societal and cultural issues. Since 2020, the Labour Party has significantly changed its course on social and cultural issues. With a former Director of Public Prosecutions at the helm, Labour is tough on crime, once more, and it believes in exerting a firm grip over migration. It supports robust military support for Ukraine against Russian aggression, is comfortable with the Union Jack, and sings the national anthem at its conference. To retain support from voters who are more socially conservative than Labour's 2019 vote, the party must hold firm to this line.
    This report closes with suggestions on how Labour can win the support of these voters. Doing so demands that Labour continues to speak to the country at large, and not just its most loyal left and liberal voters. That means taking a firm line on societal and cultural issues - like crime and immigration to address the legitimate concerns that people have. It also means developing an economic platform that makes a tangible difference to people's jobs and local communities. Perhaps most importantly, it means a politics that eschews grand abstractions and vague promises of which we have had so many in recent years and instead focuses on the things that really matter. We end this report by pointing towards a new politics that could do this: a politics grounded in providing 'security', in the form of secure work, safe streets, and a strong nation.
    (The key is to realise that the establishment is the economic system and very little can be done to modify that status quo, but other things can change as suits.)

    And when it comes to this topic I'm really going to need Americans who decide to talk about British people to understand the state of British politics at least to a basic degree. I'm not that informed but you need to at least be aware of what I've just mentioned. The US is very different because the democrat party is vocally supportive of trans people and Republicans are the complete opposite.

    I probably should just start ignoring Americans lol. It's difficult because there aren't a lot of similar people making content from the UK and I personally don't connect with Philosophy Tube's vibe/content.
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    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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