Random Thought of the Day

[Nyctophilia]

Just saw someone on YouTube describe Haley from Modern Family as being a younger millenial/Zillenial and I always forget that when the show started she was only 2 years younger than me lol. I think when I first started watching the show it was like 2013 or so and by that time I was like 22. I guess Dylan was either a year younger or older than me depending on the source that's weird. I dunno why but I feel like the show is more gen z.

How old is Dylan in season 1? Considering Haley is 15 and how tall Dylan is near her, is it even legal for him to date her?

These people must be stopped. I'm afraid to say height gaps are still legal for now yes.

I'm getting younger lol:

Other sources have identified their own ranges for Zillennials. Avery Hartmans, writing for Business Insider USA (based on a PYMNTS report) defines Zillennials as anyone born between 1990 and 2000.[11][12] Ketchum Inc. defines GenZennials as those born from 1992 to 2000.[13] Sociologist & BU professor Deborah Carr defines Zillennials as those born "roughly" between 1992 and 2002.[14] Fullscreen, LLC defines the Millennial/Gen Z cusp group as those born from approximately 1993 to 1999 in their research.[15] Mary Donahue defines the cuspers as those born from 1995 to 2000.[16]

What is a Zillennial? A Zillennial is generally defined as someone born between 1991 and 1996. The years can vary slightly on either end, but this is the most common consensus when identifying this group.

Patrice Peck, writing for Cosmopolitan, stated that Zillennials were between the ages of 18 and 29 during the 2020 United States elections, and were the "key to ousting then-president Donald Trump and sending Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to the White House."[17]

Most go with 1992-1993 though and I was born in 1991 so not quite but by some definitions.

While generational boundaries are fluid, Zillennials are influenced by both Millennials and Generation Z. According to a WGSN case study, many Zillennials tend to feel more aligned with Millennial sentiments and assume they are Millennials by default.[2] They are characterized as being "raised less by optimistic Boomers and more by skeptical Xers and pragmatic Gen Jonesers, who raised them to focus more on the practical rather than the aspirational."[1]

I was told that lol yeah. Not that any of this stuff is real.

I mean I definitely wouldn't say I'm in a different generation than my younger brother who was born in 1992 lol.

"Zillennials refer to a small cohort born between the early 1990s and the early 2000s," said Deborah Carr, professor of sociology and director of the Center for Innovation in Social Science at Boston University. "They?re on the cusp of Gen Z and millennial, thus the mash-up label of zillennial."

"They were babies and children when 9/11 struck and don?t know life before airport security screenings, rampant domestic terrorism and other frightening threats," she said. "They attended college during the pandemic, and missed out on important social markers."

I don't think most people born in the early 90s were in college during the pandemic unless you're talking about a graduate degree. I mean I finished my undergraduate degree in 2012 (I say finished because my graduation ceremony wasn't until the following January technically,) degrees here are 3 years long typically but I would have finished in 2013 I guess if it was an American 4 year degree. So like 2014 or 2015 finishing years if I was born in 92-93 if you include 94 too that's 2016. My cousin who was born when I was 11 or so was supposed to start uni I think during the pandemic and I'd say he's gen Z he was born in like 2002 and his mum (my aunt,) is gen x. She was born in 1972.

So yeah that only really applies to the tail end of this group.

The different ways generations grow up with and use technology is a strong delineator in defining generations.

Does it still count if your family didn't get broadband until 2009 lol? Like just before I went to uni. I'd have to preload YouTube videos like wait for an hour or something so I could watch a 3-5 minute video or something LOL.

"We've been growing up with technology our whole lives, but we're not TikTok dancers like Gen Z but also weren?t on MySpace like millennials," said Sabrina Grimaldi, 23. She launched Zillennial Zine, a mostly online site for her micro-generation, in 2021.

I didn't really use it but I did have a Myspace at some point. I mostly used livejournal during my teen years. That site and Deviantart were the before-Tumblr sites basically with a similar kind of audience/culture.

Among the celebrities she considers part of her zillennial cohort are Zendaya and American singer-songwriter Sabrina Carpenter.

Yeah I wouldn't consider Zendaya part of my 'generation' per se. Definitely felt like a younger wave etc and they're all in those Spiderman films though of course Hollywood actors play characters that are younger than them so it gets confusing.

But on the other hand you have friends a couple of years older talking about Bebo pages and Gameboys ? this makes you feel like a Gen Zer.

Are these friends British lol? I didn't think many Americans used that site but it was very popular for a while when I was in high school. I didn't use the site though because I didn't want to be connected to many people in school.

Next month I?ll be 24, I was born in 1997 and I?ve never known how to truly label myself. I remember My Parents Are Aliens, Tamagotchis, Tammy Girl, Nintendo DS Lites, Jane Norman bags, scoobies, Woolworths and Dream Phone ? but my friends who are a few years younger don?t. I?m not alone. Kelly Smith*, a doctoral student from Leicester born in 1998, would class herself as a Gen Z as she can only really remember ?things from 2005 onwards,? although thinks that the term 'Zillennial' is better suited because she can remember a lot of ?Millennial? stereotypes. "I remember those weird rubber/slime aliens that gave birth, Hannah Montana, That?s So Raven, MSN, Maybelline Dream mousse and sweep fringes".

Yeah so British then. Tamagotchis were cool they got banned in my school along with most things at the time. Also remember those weird aliens lol.

Let's talk about why including 1992/1993/1994 as Zillennials is controversial.

Having read a bunch I don't think it makes sense. I feel like Strange Aeons is probably a Zillenial, seems to think of herself that way, and she was born in 1998. Like the latter half of the group that started to come out as non-binary and make content related to that and asexuality online on Tumblr and YouTube. Though some people doing that were also older than me. Zillenials often got into debates with younger millennials in their early-mid 20s on YouTube about politics due to their increased progressivism like the whole thing with Milo Stewart. They invented/popularised a bunch of flags and caught the tail end of Emo bands like MCR.

Gen Z are all on tiktok and millennials were usually on Livejournal, YouTube, Deviantart, Vampirefreaks, Myspace (before leaving,) Bebo (before it died,) during their youth. Tumblr is a mostly zillenial site though I used it on/off over the years and a bunch of gen xers from livejournal moved over there too. Facebook started off as a millenial site and then the millenials all left and were replaced by boomers lol.

Now, the common definition for Zillennial found everywhere is 1995 - 2000. Doesn't that lean it towards Gen Z a bit too much? Zillennials (subgen between Gen X and Millennials) are like 1977 - 1982. They straddle the middle and include both early Millennials and late Gen Z. Which makes sense when you're talking about the middle of two generations who can identify a bit with both. Can 2000 borns really identify with any late Millennial stuff? I feel like this sub is being pulled towards being more for early Gen Z.

I'm more than okay with being a Millennial but I'm taking Spongebob with me. I was 6 when that started/s.

Lol this has gotten so ridiculous.

1980-1989 millenial

1990-99 whatever this sub is

2000-2009 gen z

then you have middle grounds and overlapping within those

people born in 1988 have more in common with those born in 91 than those born in 1980

1994 with 1997

1999 with 2002

I feel like culturally approximately 1988-1993 seems like 'my generation' or peers or whatever when it comes to people making content online and discussing stuff. Older than that as a millennial and I can relate quite a bit like ofherbsandalters on YouTube but they have a lot of experiences with the 90s goth scene as a teen that I really don't and the 90s in general since they were born in the mid 80s and most importantly I think they might remember a time before columbine because that had a big impact on everything. Similar with Strange Aeons born in 1998 like some relatable points, but mostly not. Probably closer to the former I guess out of the two (literally too I think.) I remember a time before emo like the mall goth era with Evanescence, Korn etc and like the massive fanbase of Marilyn Manson. I was introduced to Marilyn Manson by an older girl when I was probably 11/12? And she was listening to this song (on her portable CD player because this was before mp3 players):



I remember liking it vaguely because it had lots of swearing lol (and that was really the only reason lol.) This upload is ironically censored though. But it's not actually one of his better songs. This was after his triptych era which I think is a lot better actually. I like a lot of the songs on those albums but I didn't really start listening to them until much later like late teens probably. I was listening to this sometime between age 16-19:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xxv3zGEw4I

But I remember how influential he was back then. Obviously he's become hugely controversial (again.)

I also find it hilarious that zillennials and gen z are supposedly trying to reinvent that and even emo because both were looked down on as posers/annoying and just generally bad lol. I mean people not involved with alternative culture didn't really differentiate though. I'd get called a goth by people and I was listening to like Green Day or whatever, then later an emo when that became more widespread and I listened to a wide range of music but I think during secondary school the only goth band I really listened to was The Cure. I actually listened to a bunch of 90s music too lol due to exposure from my dad and music channels would often have 90s music videos. That's how I discovered this legendary video/track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg

Also I was very into Harry Potter as a kid, which is stereotypically millennial. Also Pokemon but the popularity of Pokemon which started in the 90s but that never really died so. Also using VHS tapes and floppy discs in childhood. If you never owned/used DVD's, and you grew up with smartphones around you before teen years then def gen Z I have decided. If you can't remember a time when the internet was better and your life wasn't destroyed by modern social media and/or smart phone use. 😂 (there are statistical trends in mental health issues connected to that though.) I still remember when my mum had a mobile that looked more like a calculator with tiny strip screen that only showed number and large buttons (this was pre-Nokia era.)

Most kids born after 1990-1992 will probably not remember life pre global internet either considering they weren?t even cognizant before 1995.

Mm kinda. It didn't really impact my life until about age 8 or so when we started having IT lessons (there weren't enough computers back then for one per person so we had to share.) Not sure if we used the internet at that point but definitely at some point in primary school. I remember Ask Jeeves For Kids lol (or whatever it was called,) with all the hats. I also remember:



Before then there was this one computer that we'd all get to share during breaks at school lol and play games on it. So there was like a schedule where two people could use it on certain days or something. At home we didn't get the internet until I was about 11 though.

It?s only controversial with younger people. I consider people born in 1993 part of my generation but definitely not 2000.

See for me 2000 is way more relatable the 1993.

You?re closer in age to 2000 so that?s not surprising. I relate more to 1993 than 1998.

This is where I kind of get upset about this sub. Just because someone born in the early 90s doesn't mean they aren't less relatable to someone born in the mid to late 90s, especially with their childhood.

This is hilarious lol. No we have to go to war. You were born in 1992 and have a friend born in 1995? Have to ditch them now might as well be a different species. Humans are so funny.

But do you find anything in common with people born in say, 1994?

This would seemingly blow their minds but I've found stuff in common with people who were born in the 70s lol. And I mean there were people in the Sims 2 fandom on livejournal who were in their 30s when I was a teen. One was basically an original goth back in the 80s, and I discovered The Cure, The Cruxshadows, Ego likeness (never got into most of their music,) etc through her.

This song was pretty good though:

Wait no not that. What is this. Why is this so sexual lol?



This:



Definitely darkwave and not really gothic rock but yeah.

This video is so... Low budget/nostalgic. I like it though.



I listened to that a lot at one point.

I mean, if you're just taking 4 years to make a "core" Zillennials, what's stopping 1990 - 1994 from being it's own microgen? I thought the point of the microgen was people right in the middle. 1998 is pretty heavily Gen Z.

As I say I think 1988-1993 feel more like 'my peers.' This makes sense because it's like average sibling age range where you can still play together or be peers or the length of secondary school or something. Like when I was growing up and playing with or hanging out with other kids they'd be in a range approx. a couple of years older than me to 2-3 years younger. I played a lot with my cousin who was born in 1990 but not my cousin who was born in 2002. I held him once as a baby and saw him a few times as a baby then also with age started seeing extended family less anyway. By the time he would have been 10 I would have been 20 so an adult.

There's a good chance you saw 4th generation games and consoles in-stores despite that they may have been on their way out. Even if you didn't personally have them, you would at least recall the other fads like Tamagotchis, Furbies, Super Soakers, Beanie Babies, Sockem Boppers, Razor Scooters, and Heelys. Last, you were a kid when Bill Clinton was president. It doesn't get any more Millennial than that.

Yeah most of these things were a thing when I was a kid. Think we maybe called them micro scooters but I had one as a kid. I like that furbies have come back as eldritch demons in recent years.

[Nyctophilia]

Oh well that guy has always been a huge troll/grifter I remember years ago there was some recording of some phone call with him talking about how he was going to get a bunch of plastic surgery to look like a kpop idol for attention/money. I can't find that now though I think years ago someone included it in their YouTube video on him I think Kat Blaque and this was like several years ago.

Also projecting honestly lol:



He has been doing this [BEEP] for years though.

Yes no woman's considered that lol:



It's not like some women think about is constantly even to the point of only seeing men as rapists.

I happen to think you're vulnerable to exploitation on the heterosexual male front.

I have this feeling that nobody in his family has really been exposed to that reality (wartime rape,) whereas someone in mine was. As a civilian.

This is an interesting take. Some might blow it off as misogynistic - but he?s advocating for their protection because he knows what men are capable of.

The incredibly cute thing is that you think women don't want/deserve revenge. Oh and also, that you all transparently don't value any male lives at all LOL. That's cute.

Maybe they're willing to take that risk for the opportunity to kill the kind of people who do that. Maybe if you don't let them they'll destroy you through other means instead. Or the same means but just illegally lol. Increasingly there's a bit of that too as I said before.

"Psychopathic women stop trying to destroy us/society."

"Psychopathic women you shouldn't physically fight/kill men."

Well you've created a huge problem for yourself there Kermit. Not you of course because (and I believe you know/resent this.) You're reasonably well socialised. Almost like a woman.

Oh don't worry. I'm 'female socialised' (mostly,) so I'll be using indirect means to take down hegemonic males where possible. We're selectively breeding you. But a lot of women don't have the sexual preferences or access to abortion to be committed fully. Some of them are retarded and [BEEP] Andrew Tate. What can you do. Also just throwing this out there but I'm pretty sure there is a higher rate of female infanticide in abusive/violent relationships. I think Ireland had like gosh mass baby graves. So you should support abortion.

Have you thought about what might happen if you fall into my hands? As a rapey-murderer? It's actually quite boring/predictable. it's just forced feminisation lol. Unfortunately I know most of their deepest fears involve me being a cis man and I can't manifest that presently.

I don't even watch this channel but definitely would force them to watch beauty guru content.



This is amazing out of context though lol.

You know little girls always do this lol? They seem to have an instinct to feminise men/boys. But then their normie sexuality gets in the way later. His daughter did it to his son (but I guess his son found it amusing, he was worried about that. It's weird that I can't find just that part of his video clipped lol,) and later to him I guess when she was an adult.

Jordan Peterson: "When my son was about 2 his sister was about 3 and had a little gaggle of friends and they used to dress him up like a fairy princess and this didn't happen for like years it happened for a couple of weeks and he was playing along and I went down and I'm a northern Albertan you know so the gender roles there were fairly finely defined and I was watching this like is it really a good idea that he's got wings on and a little fairy hat and a wand and a dress. Like is that OK? And I talked to Tammy about it like 'the girls are dressing Julian up like a princess and I have qualms about it but I'm not sure what to do cause he was having a good time and he was playing with the girls'"

Joe Rogan: "What qualms could you possibly have about that? From my personal experience of having daughters they think it's funny to put me in a dress.

Jordan Peterson: "It is funny."

Joe Rogan: "Yeah well, there was a dress that my wife was throwing out and my daughters made me put it on. They forced me to and they took pictures of me. They thought that was hiarious.

Jordan Peterson: "Yeah, yeah my daughter decorated me up like a woman one day in her makeup class.

Joe Rogan: "Right so what's wrong with that? Nothing right? It's fun."

Jordan Peterson: Well that's what I concluded.

Joe Rogan: "But why would you worry about anything else? Other than it being fun?"

Jordan Peterson: "Why was I worried about it? I suppose because I hoped that his pathway towards adulthood would be-"

Joe Rogan: "Normal?"

Jordan Peterson: "Yeah, sure. I only had qualms about it for two hours I went and thought about it. I thought OK what's going on here. Well he's playing with the girls. OK should he play with girls? Yes. Definitely. He should play with girls adult males should play with women. We should be able to play with people of the opposite sex. So he's learning to play with the girls. Good. Is he enjoying it? Yes. Are they bullying him? No. Are the girls enjoying it? Yes."

It's probably some kind of test. If you respond ballistically you've failed. I fail similar tests all the time because I'm rather *gestures to post*



It's funny because both of those kids have psychopathic (or well sadistic at least,) traits it just expresses differently. But we don't get a movie about Hannah.

To the extent that people might listen to him Jordan Peterson and conservatives are quite dangerous. But I wrote about this before. I think he's motivated by empathy for women so he doesn't want them to go through certain experiences. And this is slightly ironic because often I think conservatives complain that most female political beliefs are motivated by empathy and concern but they do the same thing but only with women.

If you don't give psychopathic women outlets they'll destroy the culture instead. Cause what else are they going to do? I mean she couldn't have made it any more blatant for you:

Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.

I'm trying to find a clip of Sheogorath saying 'you won't like me when I'm bored' lol I can't so just posting this:



The West probably has a higher percentage of female psychopaths because (aside from all the other obvious signs lol,) the female murderer rate is the highest globally in the US and UK. Some of them used to sneak off to war by 'dressing as men' because it was easier to trick people back then, now it isn't.

I don't agree with war though it's too destructive on a widespread scale. I think we should create fight clubs. Gay authors being based again. That wasn't the point of that book/film lol (the point I think was to kill/control the part of you that finds that alluring,) but it's not a terrible idea. In particular the idea of someone having an army is crazy. Political leaders who feel like starting a war should be removed from power and locked in a room with some video game consoles. Oblivion on xbox 360. No mods. No cheats. Get that glitch where you get locked in that hut forever that you can fix easily on PC but not on xbox 360. No cheat console. Like the (console) peasants they are.

Having a very...

i suffer psychologically it feels like everyone had lost their fucking minds treating me like a vulnerable short girl, it feels like im not aware of some kind of an inside joke that everybody gets except me. i don't even care about how my body looks. i just want to be threatening and scary as fuck. and no, being a "dommy mommy" isn't enough. i want to be fucking creepy and uncomfortable, i want the power that comes with being a man, i want to see genuine fear in somebody's eyes, and not like the part of the roleplay. i just genuinely want to be a walking toxic masculinity type. i just want to violently [redacted] i'm so tired of being weak and put down automatically by everyone just because i was born in this body. im not rebelling or anything i don't want any revenge or some crazy feminist shit. it's just so fucking sad realizing that i would never be something that i really am deep inside. i just want to be dominant in every way possible. i wish i had a cock so fucking badly too. i really like to take advantage of people. i always want to be in charge. i will never be fully happy because of this.

...day everytime I have to listen to conservatives speak. (I didn't write this lol it's quoted from a 4chan post.)

I have to return some video tapes. And that's a problem because Blockbusters has been closed for 10 years.

Anyways he should think about this since most 'normal' women aren't choosing to fight in a war lol. There's probably a reason for that.

edit:

Successful civilizations are predicated on one concept: the ascendancy of the normative social influence that conditions men to be expendable. Sexual harmonization/equality means that this burden will now be shared equally. This is the implication, but it is hampered not only be millions of years of evolutionary biology, but also by the women now kvetching at the prospect of being living bullet catchers.

Sorry, ladies, this IS what equality means!


How do you like the world of male privilege now, ladies?


-Brian McMillan

I assumed he was actually quoting someone but I can't find anything lol. I think he just signed his YouTube comment with his name lmao.

Had to google kvetching though it's a term I've come across before. Right wingers seem to enjoy inserting the letter 'v' into random words.

It's a reasonable expectation for women to be equally expendable in a society where people have to be expendable. Obviously a lot of women do disagree (that's why many gender critical feminists protest things like sex robots and artificial wombs as well, the fear of becoming expendable.) They're not genuine egalitarians they're just people who have somehow been misled to believe that men have it better lol. So there are certain things they want and many things they don't. Genuine egalitarians are driven by a strong desire to reduce any differences between people and groups they're often motivated by fairness. There's also a related thing that's not necessarily the same where there's a desire to make everything mutable out of a desire for the individual to have complete control (which is more my thing, probably correlates with an interest in transhumanism.) And in their most extreme tyrannical form these are the people Jordan Peterson is most concerned about.

Before Nick Land became boring and while he was still doing tons of amphetamines and writing schizophrenic-adj ramblings that were eventually published, he sort of expressed frustration about well I'll just post quotes:

Perhaps only Monique Wittig has adequately grasped the inescapably military task faced by any serious revolutionary feminism, and it is difficult not to be dispirited by the enormous reluctance women have shown historically to prosecute their struggle with sufficient ruthlessness and aggression. The left tends to be evasive about the numbing violence intrinsic to revolutionary war, and feminism is often particularly fastidious in this respect, even reverting to absurd mystical and Ghandian ideologies. If feminist struggles have been constantly deprioritized in theory and practice it is surely because of their idealistic recoil from the currency of violence, which is to say, from the only definitive ?matter? of politics. (FN: 1028 )

I haven't really read Monique Wittig besides that one famous lesbian quote everyone likes to bring up:

Lesbian is the only concept I know of which is beyond the categories of sex (woman and man), because the designated subject (lesbian) is not a woman, either economically, or politically, or ideologically. For what makes a woman is a specific relationship to a man, a relationship which we have previously called servitude, a relation which lesbians escape by refusing to become or stay heterosexual.

And this is actually very boring and predictable too tbh. That's going to put me off reading most people that and the attention span issue that mean I probably can't read an entire book without skipping around to different parts randomly. Especially now. I think there was probably more because I seem to remember something else besides this quote but that might have just been others interpretations I dunno.

Audre Lorde:

"I have always wanted to be both man and woman...to share valleys and mountains upon my body the way the earth does in hills and peaks. I would like to enter a woman the way any man can, and be entered--to leave and to be left--to be hot and hard and soft all at the same time in the cause of our loving."

She was a self-described "black, lesbian, feminist, socialist, mother, warrior, poet,"

In 1962, Lorde married a white gay man and had two children.

A lot of people were lesbians historically as a way to differentiate themselves in terms of gender and/or gender roles and language was very limited. In this sense it's quite radical for Rachilde to have pushed away from that at the time she did. Some of these people were also attracted to women actually I think a lot have been bisexual. But I think in a lot of ways that was more central than the sexuality aspect even then, and so now you have alternatives it doesn't have as much cultural weight (which people often complain about,) and that's why. Though there is still a 'lesbian' culture and it does overlap with non-conformity. But I don't think it's good to reduce lesbianism to that conflict. 'Sapphic' is prob a useful umbrella term if you're attracted to women as well.

Even Camille Paglia can't escape 'this' in a different way:

"When I meet gay men anywhere in the world, there is a spontaneity and a spirit of fun and mischief that lesbians seem incapable of."

"Gay men are guardians of the masculine impulse. To have anonymous sex in a dark alleyway is to pay homage to the dream of male freedom. The unknown stranger is a wandering pagan god. The altar, as in pre-history, is anywhere you kneel."

"Paglia doesn't, as earlier feminists did, think of drag queens as a grotesque parody and mockery of the female self. She thinks them guardians of a sacred flame with the same bitchy but vulnerable quality of those camped up actresses, like Elizabeth Taylor, whom Paglia so envies and admires. Drag queens have preserved the idea of women as "dominatrix of the universe"; Paglia goes so far as to claim that she has "learnt how to be a woman" from these men masquerading as film stars."

I cover "RuPaul's Drag Race" for the Observer, and that is a direct result of learning about drag culture from you in the 1990s. Have you followed the evolution of drag culture over the last several decades, and what do you think of its evolution?

After the gender-bending 1960s, with its unisex haircuts and flamboyant Mod outfits, there was a cultural reaction: during the 1970s, newly liberated post-Stonewall gay men turned macho clone (jeans, lumberjack shirts, mustaches). The pornographic illustrator Tom of Finland (whom I revere) provided the black-leather master plan for the new s&m look. Drag queens were suddenly out?spurned as a residue of the humiliating era when gay men were automatically classified as effeminate. As I emphasized in the catalog essay that I wrote for the Victoria & Albert Museum's giant exhibition of David Bowie's costumes in 2013, the androgynous Bowie of his brilliant Ziggy Stardust phase was stunningly bold in defying the stereotypical masculine conventions of the current gay movement.

But he also did that from the position of someone who mostly passed as heterosexual. Very effeminate men (in terms of body language,) usually get more [BEEP] and are seen as weak. Not confident and edgy. Some people bridge that gap a bit like Jeffree Star.

I must admit to some nostalgia for the pre-Stonewall era of drag, when there were great Hollywood stars like Marlene Dietrich, Mae West, Bette Davis, Tallulah Bankhead, and Judy Garland to impersonate. Sometimes contemporary drag seems a bit too Halloweenish?that is, random, stunt-like, and divorced from myth or psychology. But Halloween was a sacred day for me in childhood, when I startled people with my eccentric transgender costumes--Robin Hood, a Roman soldier, a matador, Napoleon, Hamlet. (It spilled over into adulthood: my new book reproduces a 1992 photo of me from People magazine where I?m flashing a switchblade knife while impersonating a street-fighter from West Side Story.)

But she's wrong because she hates Lady Gaga haha (she is relatively misogynistic and I don't use that term lightly.) She's always hating on or starting fights with women. It's popular to hate on Lady Gaga specifically though. Like Nina Hagen:

"Lady Gaga is a pop prostitute, a satanic [BEEP] with her fascist and demonic secret signs! Her pop prostitution has more to do with bikini advertising than with warmth."

I like some of Nina Hagen's music too. I think Lady Gaga gets way too much [BEEP] (less these days I guess because she's less visible,) and is actually quite talented musically.

Camille Paglia didn't find her sexy lol (and that does seem to be a big reason she disliked her but I don't think she was really trying):

"Drag queens, whom Gaga professes to admire, are usually far sexier in many of her over-the-top outfits than she is."

Camille Paglia: 'Women should act more like drag queens'

Camille Paglia: 'No not like that'

Gaga isn't sexy at all ? she's like a gangly marionette or plasticised android.

But tbh androids are hot. I was specifically seeking out robot erotica at one point lmfao.

The critic also uses her essay to comment sweepingly on the millennial generation that apparently adores Gaga:

Generation Gaga doesn't identify with powerful vocal styles because their own voices have atrophied: they communicate mutely via a constant stream of atomised, telegraphic text messages. Gaga?s flat affect doesn?t bother them because they?re not attuned to facial expressions.

Well define powerful. I don't think I could be accused of that haha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3dWBLoU--E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6uW7q8mFOs[

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkc08_dR-0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzR5jM9UeJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZF5m-vmDzM

Big fan.

Jesus Paglia just go to a burlesque show and stfu lol. I'm actually genuinely confused how people refer to her as a lesbian though as well (to this day):

It is much easier for women to live bisexually, since their erotic performance is not measured by the unforgiving yardstick of erection and ejaculation. (Vamps and Tramps, p. 79)

I encourage bisexual experimentation, and i want a world in which people, throughout their lives, freely cross the gender lines in love. But it is absurd to say that one, two, or more homosexual liaisons make you "gay"--as if lavender ink ran in your veins. Young women are often attracted to each other during a transitional period when they are breaking away from their parents, expanding their worldviews, and developing their personalities. To identify these fruitful Sapphic idylls with a permanent condition of homosexuality is madness, and the campus counselors who encourage such premature conclusions should be condemned and banished. They are preying, for their own ideological purposes, on the young people at their most vulnerable. I want to cry out to these girls: Stop! Think! Continue to love women, but resolve your problems with men. (Same text, p. 82)

Bisexuality is out best hope of escape from the animosities and false polarities of the current sex wars. Whether or not we can put it into practice, bisexuality is a great pagan ideal. (p. 94)

The real revolution will come when we are free of the false dichotomy of gay/straight and when bisexual responsiveness is accepted as the universal norm. (p. 105)

She's basically a bisexual supremacist lol... But I think she kind of idealises the cultural potential. I don't think bisexual people are at all more enlightened.

I'm not going to suggest she attempt to find herself an idealised androgynous guy though because it really is like finding a needle in a haystack. And that's why we're all 'asexual'

But back to Nick Land:

Victorious Third World struggles, so long as they have been successfully localized, do not lead to realistic post-capitalist achievements, and certainly not to post-patriarchal ones, since the conservation of the form of the nation state is itself enough to guarantee the reinsertion of a society into the system of inhibited synthesis. For as long as the dynamic of guerilla war just leads to new men at the top ? with all that this entails in terms of the communication between individuated sovereignties ? history will continue to look bleak. For it is only when the pervasive historical bond between masculinity and war is broken by effective feminist violence that it will become possible to envisage the uprooting of the patriarchal endogamies that orchestrate the contemporary world order. With the abolition of the inhibition of synthesis ? of Kantian thought ? a sordid cowardice will be washed away, and cowardice is the engine of greed. But the only conceivable end of Kantianism is the end of modernity, and to reach this we must foster new Amazons in our midst. (FN: 1039)

Lol this fucking blog (Not Nick Land someone writing about him):

Where is such revolutionary fire today? If anything Land speaks from within the flames of a darker hell, mounting an invasion from the other ends of time, siding with the intelligences of futurial amazons who have already dispensed with the uselessness of our current malaise and are even now in hot breath pangs arriving through the terminal portals of a future without bounds. A guerilla war from within time itself that displaces five thousand years of patriarchal endogamy and the rule of androcracies.

Nobody who is aware of this guy's existence is remotely normal.

A few months ago on twitter he liked a tweet I wrote about how mm... But I need to be vague lol. Unfortunately he didn't say anything just liked the tweet. My belief about why a certain violent act was carried out. Most people had very different takes on it. He wasn't in favour of that but it was mindless violence.

This has nothing to do with that lol but I can see why trans women like poking him:

Hasn't gay rights now between totally out-progged? [BEEP] goes much further than gay, and then trans obsolesces gay as reactionary gender essentialism. But trans is already looking old, as the next crawling horror prepares for its ascent to the peak of the progressive stack. ...

[Heelsbythebridge]

Why is it socially acceptable for men's nipples to poke out from their shirts but not women?

[Nyctophilia]

I'm actually genuinely confused how people refer to her [camille Paglia] as a lesbian though as well (to this day):

It is much easier for women to live bisexually, since their erotic performance is not measured by the unforgiving yardstick of erection and ejaculation. (Vamps and Tramps, p. 79)

I encourage bisexual experimentation, and i want a world in which people, throughout their lives, freely cross the gender lines in love. But it is absurd to say that one, two, or more homosexual liaisons make you "gay"--as if lavender ink ran in your veins. Young women are often attracted to each other during a transitional period when they are breaking away from their parents, expanding their worldviews, and developing their personalities. To identify these fruitful Sapphic idylls with a permanent condition of homosexuality is madness, and the campus counselors who encourage such premature conclusions should be condemned and banished. They are preying, for their own ideological purposes, on the young people at their most vulnerable. I want to cry out to these girls: Stop! Think! Continue to love women, but resolve your problems with men. (Same text, p. 82)

Bisexuality is out best hope of escape from the animosities and false polarities of the current sex wars. Whether or not we can put it into practice, bisexuality is a great pagan ideal. (p. 94)

The real revolution will come when we are free of the false dichotomy of gay/straight and when bisexual responsiveness is accepted as the universal norm. (p. 105)

She's basically a bisexual supremacist lol... But I think she kind of idealises the cultural potential. I don't think bisexual people are at all more enlightened.

I'm not going to suggest she attempt to find herself an idealised androgynous guy though because it really is like finding a needle in a haystack. And that's why we're all 'asexual'

Lol I keep stumbling on these really old school looking websites lately. This was written in 2012 though I think? About his thoughts about Camille Paglia (guessing not a fan. Having skimmed it I can tell I'm not going to agree with him either on lots of stuff and he's prob a masculinist. But this should be interesting - only for me hahahaha)

http://www.cosmoetica.com/B1265-BS6.htm

There's also this substack article I've kept stumbling on while googling stuff today:

https://suzannemoore.substack.com/p/...camille-paglia

And there seem to be lots of really random/insane anecdotes that come up on Google from this one substack article (supposedly about her,) but it's behind a paywall and I don't want to pay. Like haha:

She told me that she was now bisexual because she couldn't find anyone to sleep with. She screamed this at the photographer too .

And even by my standards that guy's thing about Camille Paglia is so long damn.

This choppy piece of writing began as a challenge I posed to a friend. One was offered the opportunity of counting the number of cases of lying, dishonesty, misrepresentation, false claims, stupidity, and general disingenuousness committed by Camille Paglia in several hours of footage of her recorded public appearances. Since this is foremost a mere listing of such incidences, one should not expect an exegesis of the good lady?s works. Although I may pursue such an examination of her works in a manner not too unlike my current study, such will certainly be of a higher caliber, and will avoid the constant repetition of noted offenses the current writing provides. I, in fact, look forward to it. From what I have seen of her works so far, her writings are even more egregious in their lack of integrity than her speeches.

I should say that, despite my utter contempt for the woman, I consider her a fine adversary, perhaps for the many traits and interests we share in common. We both celebrate the irrational, the imaginative, in addition to the outright intellectual. We both share an interest in sexuality and gender differences. We both have an interest in feminism, though we are on opposing sides in this war. If she were not guilty of many flagrant acts of lying I might even respect the lady.

She tries to juggle and integrate various perspectives probably due to her identification with androgyny. When you do this you ultimately end up pleasing nobody and can end up with positions that also seem inconsistent. Sort of like this:

"Do I contradict myself?

Very well then I contradict myself,

(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

But, she's also always been a bit of a troll. But I think there are certain points she's quite serious about.

Also I haven't watched the interview he's referencing so I'm just basically going off of his reality in this post whether it's accurate or not cause I cba to watch it atm.

When asked what kind of music she likes she mentions Guns N? Roses, Metallica, and Van Halen as masculine types she adores, and further comments that she dislikes the P.C. grunge, meaning by this that grunge music is a pussy-whipped sort of fair that is the result of bad feminist political correctness. Now, if grunge music consisted merely of Pearl Jam, Nirvana, and Soundgarden, she might be correct in her swift assessment. They indeed avoid the near-misogyny of an Axl Rose, the womanizing of a The Rolling Stones, and similar primal approaches to sex relations. But if one simply looks through the history of rock music, most does not take that approach. Metallica, whom she mentions, doesn't even write love songs or songs about conquests of women; likewise with many other bands. Then there is the more romantic approach of innumerable pop rock singers, who actually sing of love and lust without any of the darker manifestations of those things. And then there is something else in grunge music that Camille knows nothing of; as usual, she is not well-versed in what she speaks of. Unfortunately for her theory, a little band called, Alice in Chains, is also considered a grunge band, and as anybody who has heard their music knows, much of it is anything but P.C. It is in fact sadistic, psychotic, controlling, dominating, and abusive, with an ambiguous, even ambivalent, relation to the female gender, which is often the target of threats of murder.

This obviously caught my attention. I'm going to have so many thoughts about this and it's going to be annoying as fuck. (edited this post a bunch of times because it took forever to read through all of this.)

So yeah Kurt Cobain was obviously a huge feminist, and disliked masculinity. I don't like the phrase '[BEEP] whipped' because that ultimately robs men of agency and I think he had complex reasons for feeling that way. Also I'm not that familiar with Soundgarden and Pearl Jam but I don't see how their 'message,' music etc was particularly driven by political correctness etc or feminist from what I've seen.

Now she shows her colors as a wannabe anti-feminist, instead revealing her utter hypocrisy, bragging about her earlier life. She says the time for confrontation was the 60's and 70's, then, unexplainably, brags of her violence toward men. She kicked them, punched them, and even broke an umbrella over one man's head. (Remember the umbrella, just as the Rihanna love song occurs to you.) Now what is so morbidly hypocritical about this is that if a man had done the same to her, even in the 60' and 70's, before feminist law was firmly entrenched in the loathsome books of socially acceptable behavior, he would have been, if not imprisoned, reprimanded severely. Imagine little old me, large enough to kill a woman easily with a couple blows, breaking an umbrella over some girl's head in public?or even in private, really (4).

No that's quite explainable. She hates being infantilised and seen as vulnerable. It was actually that mostly which drew me to her in the first place (though I disagree with a lot of her viewpoints.) Because her message is otherwise completely absent in the culture (at least the part of the culture she occupies. But also conservative culture, all feminist culture, most mainstream culture..)



It's not a very sophisticated response, but it's a response to that. Also I don't know the context of her talking about being violent but when I've heard her do that more recently it's usually because she's annoyed with women's lack of aggression in response to sexually inappropriate behaviour or something like that.



She's got to stop bringing up that she's Italian every 5 minutes though lol.

Now this woman, who brags of being a strident bisexual, who even claims that all of us are bisexual (as you'll see shortly), claims to be "an open lesbian."(5) You'll see a consistency to her self-negating contradiction as this study progresses, a consistent inconstancy.

Yeah.... Yeah lol.

She choses to take up the subject of men again, a subject she knows a lot about for someone with her track record. She declaims that it's the "21st century time to let men find their voices." She also thinks the piddling men?s movement (which most men have never even heard of and which most men would be disgusted by) is a good thing, prattling, "It's up to men to define themselves." And what is worse, in her attempt at proclaiming herself a lover of the manly man, "We do not want men to be like women. We do not want castrated men." Dear woman, who but a castrated man could deal with a violent woman (like yourself) without landing behind bars? (7) (By the way, my lovely readers, we haven?t reached the deep end yet in terms of her brazen dishonesty. The greatest claim though is not too far away.)

This is hilarious.

Uh if you like Freudian theory it's just reaction formation I think. Plus there's this whole thing you might want to avoid (from another webpage that looked really old):

The Monster would thus be a woman, but a woman who would answer Freud's infamous question "What does a woman want?" with the ostensible reply: to be a male, with a female to love. In the failure of that project, the Monster is forced to play the role of the castrating Medusa woman.17 The novel of course never for a moment suggests that the Monster is anything but a male, and both Frankenstein and his creature assume that he is sexually functional as a male (there would otherwise be no need for Frankenstein to destroy the female monster). Yet the Monster never is given the chance to function sexually, and we are never given a glimpse of those parts of the body that would assure us that he is male. Of course we aren't: such is not part of the discourse of the novel (setting aside pornography) at the time. But this necessary cultural reticence, subjected to our retrospective critical pressure, may add a further ambiguity to the problems of definition of monster -- may indeed add another dimension to that question "What is a monster?" A monster may also be that which eludes gender definition. In this sense, Frankenstein would be a more radical version of that considerable body of Romantic and "Decadent" literature -- such as Theophile Gautier's Mademoiselle de Maupin, Henri de Latouche's Fragoletta, Balzac's Sarrasine, Rachilde's Monsieur Venus -- that uses crossdressing and hermaphroditism to create situations of sexual ambiguity that call into question socially defined gender roles and transgress the law of castration that defines sexual difference. The Monster's demand for recognition by his father could then be read not only as desire for the absent mother but as a wish to be a sexual object for the father, in the manner of Freud's Senatsprasident Schreber.18 Because a monster is that which calls into question all our cultural codes, including language itself, we can understand the persistent afterlife of Mary Shelley's creation, which shows us that, quite literally, once you have created a monster, whatever the ambiguities of the order of its existence, you can never get rid of it.

And it's fucking Freud again.



She's an edgelord and you have to learn to become one if you want to survive as a monster, but it does get old. Most people don't actually want to be evil all the time.

I don't think she identifies as a monster lol. She has described herself as 'one of the strangest mutant creatures' though when talking about her sexuality before:

Here's the problem. I grew up in the Fifties which was a highly conformist era and I had, there's no doubt, a massive gender dysfunction. My particular aggressive personality was completely out of sync with what was expected of a young girl at that time. I thought I was probably a boy. I was also attracted to women when I was very tiny. Then when puberty hit, suddenly my body changed. Boom] I found myself attracted to creatures I couldn't stand.

I still don't get along with men as erotic partners, but the point is my body became attracted to male bodies. I've dated men, I just haven't had relationships with them. My problem with men I guess would have to be called a political problem. I can mate perfectly well with men on a physical level; I'm very attracted on a physical level. But I don't fall in love with them; I'm not involved with them emotionally. I'm one of the strangest mutant creatures on the face of the earth.

But also I think she likes masculinity just not sexually.

Like some sort of illiterate poet, she is in love with the mythological character of androgyny, and lays claim to it as one of her own dominant qualities. Of course, this is just more balderdash, but that later. Says our great professor, "The 60's generation was about androgyny. We thought we could blur the sexes." They thought, as she states, that the idea of male and female was somehow anachronistic. They were going to demolish these "patriarchal conceptions," "demolish them." Of course here she actually admits to being wrong, so we can not reprimand her for that. But what is a matter of some controversy and even mystery is the idea that the 60's generation "was about androgyny." Who does she think she's talking to? Unwittingly she is telling a generation of people who more and more accept androgyny about how androgynous their phony parents were while they were dropping acid and trying to comprehend a single passage of the Bagavad Gita. So, in other words, she is simply overstating her case. The truth is that people, namely intelligent people, with whom Camille seems to share little exchange, have become much more comfortably androgynous than their ancient 60's forebears. I'm counting this as a case of a lack of knowledge and research (8 ), and dramatic exaggeration.

😭 that killed me. Also I'm totally the same in that regard (all the poetry I've ever written is bad, and also liking androgyny in mythology,) but it's still funny.

Paglia, or should I say Palia, laments, 'Feminism has not brought sexual happiness. The division between the sexes is even more fierce.' Well, what the hell do you expect? Half a generation of women turned into nagging psychos by feminism, many of them with more penis envy than Andy Warhol (one of Camille's greats, yes), and you expect a friendly response from the greater sex? How ingenuous is this vacuous ejaculation of an ironically clueless mind? She'll never admit the role feminism, her secret prize, had in this friction between genders (9).

So not a fan of Andy Warhol either. (I actually don't know much about him except that he knew a lot of trans women, and then Solanas shot him. Obviously he's an artist but I'm not really into pop art. He also directed films but I haven't seen any of them.)

A grand claim is brewing, and here it comes. Says she, "In my deviant mind, I've always been able to understand rape, murder, and so forth." Then, "I see with the eyes of the rapist."

Lol this is wild she was saying this on Bill Maher's show?

Here she's trying to claim some insight into what it means to be a disturbed man. Now, since she spends so much time with healthy men--no, no! She doesn't even understand the mind of a sane man, much less that of a man insane. I think she deserves the electric chair for this act of patronizing assumption. Later we will find that she doesn?t even have a good grasp of crime in general, despite the fact that she at some point claims to own four TVs; there are how many true crime shows on cable television?

To think this was written before the true crime trend really took off (I think. Before I bothered to notice anyway.)

She says she looks up to gay men because they don't complain about dates, don?t cry date rape, and so forth. My reason for holding this against her will be shortly more clear to the reader. And she says these sorts of things quite often. Camille?s claim to love and identify with gay men is like a claim to love a fiction (10).

Now her ideas on date rape that run counter to the mainstream of feminism. Let me first say that it doesn't even matter, for she has no interest in changing the official policies of institutions. You'll find me bringing up the Duke lacrosse fiasco in response to her claims about date rape and her claims of her 'reform' feminism conquering the 'old' feminism. [...] These young men were convicted before any kind of trial and defense, and then they were exonerated. Where was the reformed feminism that should have been telling the girls (or girl, singular?) that they should have expected sex? That's not how it worked, and you'll never hear Camille speak of this scandal. Again and again, what about the evil spread by feminism in the form of unjust laws and patently false accusations? There is still no punishment for false accusation. Why? 'To protect the victim.' My Lord and Savior, false confession is indeed not a victimless crime; the one accused is, in fact, the victim in such a case. So, where is his protection? The media is all over him, he is convicted in the news, and he even has the honor (according to Maude, in Harold and Maude) of spending time in jail. Once again, what a hypocrite [BEEP] (12).

Now he just seems mad that she hasn't talked about a specific policy issue he wants her to talk about. Also, I'm pretty sure she doesn't believe 'her brand of feminism' won as she disagrees with most of them and has spoken about that a lot. I think I remember her saying that she felt that the 70s undid a lot of the sexual revolution of the 60s and that we've basically gone back to the 1950s now. I see what she's getting at though I think this time period is just too unique with all the technological changes and other stuff to really compare. I also see parallels with Weimar Germany. Even the 60s because everyone suddenly wants to take psychedelics again. It's really a mishmash.

Also he's still not gone back to her love of gay men lol.

"I believe in seduction going from a no to a yes," only slightly disagreeing with Bill. The problem in this statement is in its acknowledgement of male power; although she doesn't mention that it is the male that is the seducer, that is what she meant in the context of their converse. Well, at another time she argues that women have a definite power over men, even that men flee from this power to paint a canvass or write a story, or maybe to masturbate--who knows? This power that women have over men, a form of seduction no doubt, proves the superiority that women have over men. But if such a hierarchical relationship exists between men and women, in the exclusive way she prescribes, how could a man convince a woman to go from a "yes" to a "no?" Inconsistency arrived at through lack of integrity (13).

Does she think it's exclusive?

At times Paglia makes the claim that Hollywood taught her all about bisexuality. Why? Because both sexy men and sexy women are depicted on the screen and some actors are even somewhat androgynous (Marlene Dietrich, one such example really?). Yet she also claims that an Ava Gardner scene in Show Boat made her a lesbian. So which is it, Camille? Bi or d***? No answer, just the whirl of words that jaculate contradictions from her mouth (14).

Suppose he's using this to try and make his statement more forceful. Which is a bit cringe. Also given his obvious contempt.

And, like her criticism of grunge for being P.C., she criticizes Maryl Streep and Meg Ryan, whose careers found their greatest success in the early 90's--maybe a bit before and after--for what? For being so much less than the old-time beautiful and glamorous women of the big screen. Yet I find Meg Ryan far more sexy and fuckable than a Katherine Hepburn in her prime. In fact I find Ryan's play at innocence and disinterestedness more attractive than Hepburn's acting either the same or flamboyance and faux-intellectuality. I see Meg Ryan, and I want to make her cry in love with me.

Now it's just an argument about his sexual preferences haha. And he spelt Meryl Streep's name wrong.

This, by the way, is a lesson for Camille as well as points against her; dear professor, you do not understand men, those simple creatures you think they are.

Her complaint is that she doesn't find them sexy. Which is an opinion she often rants about, but you've assumed she's talking about you. She does generalise all her opinions but it's still not really a statement about men.

I might also mention that Streep, in Woody Allen's Manhattan, actually resembles Dietrich in her cold and measured female sensuality, playing the [BEEP] ex-wife. Her blank facial expression is a similar drag queen vogue (that of the model's cold countenance) to the old Deutsch Dame's. Although Streep may not be quite as sensual as Dietrich, say, in a similar minor role such as hers in Touch of Evil, Streep nails the sexy [BEEP] type nevertheless, and someone like myself would like to [BEEP] such a d*** out of spite, something I'm sure Camille would appreciate. [...]

I was sort of waiting.

Such a long winded way to get to get to his point.

Well that's the end.



No lol. There's so much more. The scroll bar isn't even a quarter of the way down. And we still haven't circled back around to the gay men thing.

Camille claims to be bisexual but admits she's best with women. I would argue that she is only with women. She admits to being a lesbian more often than she claims to be a bisexual (17). What is half a bisexual? Unisex. Figure that one out, if you will. She goes on to say, "I sleep with men, but I don't fall in love with men. I'm lascivious." Okay, she makes the grand claim again. Somebody smell something bogus? I do (18 ). And, lascivious? Too bad no one but your female students (or their equivalents in the world of art) finds you attractive. There's even a funnier twist in the Bob Costas interview. Just wait.

It's incoherent but I think it's kind of entertaining how much this bothers him because of why it bothers him.

The two of them, Bill and Camille, discuss Hollywood couples and Camille is asked to choose between the man and the woman. Guess who she chooses almost every time? Yep, the man. Tom Cruise over Nicole Kidman? What kind of d*** are you? Oh, Nicole must be unglamorous. Even "the gays" are gaga for Nicole; many of them might even choose Nicole over Tom. I'll let this one go, since it is based on the presumption of truthfulness. Yeah! And Camille likes the louche, gigolo style of men. She doesn't like men. Sorry, liar! (19)

Tom Cruise has always been off putting to me so it's not a difficult decision. He's the reason I didn't watch the Interview with the Vampire film lol.

She then offers that many young girls now are jumping on the grenade and going down on other girls, almost glowing with pride. Then she mysteriously states: "I miss the golden age of lesbianism." So, was the golden age the time you couldn't get laid or some other time you haven't even spoken of? Why would someone say something so blatantly foolish (21)?

Another Paglia claim--isn't her [BEEP] sore yet? No, she pulls out another: "Women are naturally more bisexual than men. It's a lot easier for women." Okay, now I'll have to bring out the old anecdote machine. Yes, confession time for yours. Although I have at times pursued women exclusively, there have been times when I jumped ship and fired my cannon for the other side. (I am one who must break every rule.) And I'll tell you, men of many stripes (but not all, as Camille would have you believe) are capable of "getting gay," of falling for the charms and attractiveness of another man. Perhaps if I were born more malformed none of this would have come to pass? But let it be known, a man must not be gay to engage in homosexual activities. Men are just as capable as I would say more capable than women of being bisexual. I would argue that men are even more attractive to their own sex, perhaps because of their physical endowments, their anatomy. And, by the way, even Camille prefers to watch male gay porn rather than female gay (lesbian) porn. This d*** is very much in love with the penis, [he then essentially descends into his sexual fantasies about her taking dick]

Well scientific research shows women are more bisexual in terms of arousal than men are yeah. Just as a general rule. Camille Paglia is really helping out gay men here haha. 'No you evil witch. I am very bisexual. I'll suck a dick right now.'

I'm not at all surprised to hear he's bisexual and this is exactly what I had in mind amusingly when I said 'I don't think bisexuals are at all more enlightened.' Some of the worst people I've encountered have been bisexual men. They're a mixed bag like nerds.

"Men are shrinking," bemoans Camille, as if she had any investment in the matter. "The more they do what feminists want, the more they shrink." Not only does this fly in the face of her own theories of female superiority by their ability to control men through their sexuality (26), which will later be addressed in full, this is a boldly delivered false claim. The idea that flimsy, wishy-washy men, like Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder, for instance, are the result of feminism is patently false. I argue that there have always been such men. As an example, Jimmy Stewart comes to mind (27). This is not taking away anything from these three talented men; it is just an evaluation of their public character. So, contrary to Camille's claim, I would argue that, while women grow more aggressively anti-man, men, instead of bowing to these loathsome creatures, try to make their way in life just the same. The sensitive man is a myth that the media tried to use to infect actual men, and it didn't work.

Kurt Cobain was definitely exposed to feminist ideas, but I don't think they would have appealed to him if he had a different personality type. That being said it does sound like you're insulting him.

He goes on a bunch to complain about how she pathologises homosexuality and I don't really take issue with any of his points there since it is gross though he doesn't say what he's quoting with the emotional retardation point. Though I wouldn't say she is a lesbian feminist ideologically speaking. Also he's back to insisting she's a lesbian.

Then let fly is a quote from one of her works, something to the effect: Exclusive lesbianism is emotional retardation. Let the pathologizing begin. Now Dr. Paglia is a psychologist of sorts, no doubt luxuriantly seated atop her armchair, and her defense is that it is not an exact quote. So, let's get this down with mathematical precision. Lesbians are emotionally retarded. You regularly admit (notice, I didn't say claim) to being a lesbian. So what are you (32)? An emotional cripple who sat on a cock once or twice . . . a long time ago. Add to this that she is disappointed with lesbian feminism. This from a lesbian feminist (33).

Maher gets in on the gay-baiting and is especially disparaging of male homosexuality. Her response is nothing--this even though she often claims to look up to gay men (34). This one really deserved two points. She continues with her theories. She doesn't for a minute believe that anyone is born gay. Her working hypothesis is that homosexuality is an adaption to environmental pressures. This from a woman who at various times makes reference to physiology, hormones, brain science, and inborn gender traits. My argument against is that I have heard mothers who say that they knew their child was homosexual long before the onset of puberty. [...]

No more alienation, people! This must stop! Can you imagine all the best lady softball players going from eating [BEEP] to sucking dick overnight? If Camille had her way . . . You know I'm right here.

So you've said. Several times.

Next, Camille belies her opposition to stereotypical feminism. "I believe in all forms of power. I believe in the bitch." Yes, we know you believe in yourself, you fucking megalomaniac (more on this later). (46) She wrote an article called, "Kind of a Bitch: Why I like Hillary." She can't make up her mind on our dear Secretary, the psychopathic wife of a great psychopath. Twins they are.

Unfortunately she prattles on about how feminists are not fair to men. At this point one should realize that Paglia is a feminist shill. She tries to paint a friendly face for 'the new feminism' that she advocates with no success and no intention of success. Paglia doesn't give a damn about men (47). And it gets worse.

No she's not really a feminist and most feminists disagree with her. She's kind of conservative about gender (though to be fair a lot of feminism is just conservatism and vice versa,) and she's GNC. So no she doesn't care about men, because conservatives don't care about men or at least they care about women more than men and so ultimately see them as expendable in eg: war. It's important to note that many men don't really want people to care about them either though they want to die in a war or they think they do. A bunch of her ideas are sort of similar to Jordan Peterson.

I think his primary complaint is similar to the one a lot of terfs have about trans women kind of a mirror image. Only unlike trans women, and being older and afab, she's almost gone out of her way to third gender herself and he's still pissed lol. (Because he views her as some kind of infiltrator trying to destroy men because he thinks women are evil which will become obvious later.)

News alert: Camille loves gay male magazines and gay male porn, this despite the fact that she can't validate such individuals (53). Why? "Because it shows the beauty of the male body and the penis (in all its modulations)." Does she suffer some sort of heterosexed voyeurism aimed at homosexual men. Let's pathologize like her. "Lesbians are incapable of doing hot porn." (Too much. You earned it this time: 54)

After her prior talk of men's abuse, she brings up one of her favorite fantasies, men's helpless subordination to a woman's sexual power.

This bothers him a lot.

Anyway, as a man, [BEEP] creature of no merit though I am, I have had sexual power over many a woman. But that's anecdotal evidence. Oh, evidence, something you don't provide (62).

He's moved onto a different interview now so at this point I realised he's analysing a bunch of different interviews.

Dear, Ms. Paglia, you are so easy to despise. Watching your concatenations of lies that you call speeches and interviews, I feel a complete lack of faith in mankind. You have no integrity, no sense of honesty, no dignity, no stance of responsibility all you have is a brutally untruthful sense of self and success, a prevailing megalomania. Although I know you a complete phony, I feel I must share this understanding with others. I want them to know you are little more than a sly shill for feminist ideology, for the dogma you claim to hate. I vomit your name, with g included, with a sense of hard-fought freedom. Your lack of good faith and accountability is worse than any mere journalist whom I know. I hope you [sexually violent thoughts] you lying d***.

As I say he's not a fan.

Oh, and women should be prepared to defend themselves--what about men defending themselves? Yes, that's not allowed, you hypocrite [BEEP] (87).

I dunno if she's ever clarified her position on this tbh.

As a man who has spent his few decades in close company with women, I have gathered plenty of insight into the female mind and even the female body. Camille, you will find, despite her lesbian/bull d*** status, seems to know little of her own sex.

You haven't spent much time around women or been paying attention in general (because you don't have to to notice,) if you'd classify Paglia that way, she isn't that masculine. But 'despite' doesn't really work here since obviously gender non-conforming women don't understand women as well.

She knows even less of men. My experience, sexual and otherwise, with both women and men far outweighs that of Paglia, and unlike her, I am a man capable of insight and reflection.

Your ego is kind of rivaling hers.

He then goes on to predictably (because of course that comment wasn't just about her,) write a bunch of misogynistic things that are deeply ideologically motivated and so not particularly interesting. The fact that I've seen the exact same opinions many times from an entire group of people with the same manosphere focussed political beliefs kind of speaks to that eg: women are incapable of empathy, exclusively self focussed, designed for maternity, women are just children. Things of that nature. And yet you think you're immune to being 'an NPC.'



Uh remember when I said this literally just days ago lmfao:

So when a lot of feminists who are non-conforming on average say that they think it's about sexual dominance they're often probably drawing from personal experience. And there's research showing that certain women get sexually harassed more based on non-conforming personality traits. Camille Paglia who I think may have brought this up before should know this though cause she is a non-conforming lesbian. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts Paglia.

https://anxietyspace.com/forums/show...l=1#post467091

Really, if Camille were to approach the subject in good faith, considering all of her assertions and claims, she would advocate an end to feminism; she does not do so because she has an interest in the power structure of the movement. She does not wish good on men, for that is not her area of concern, despite her talk of liking men and giving men a place in the world. She wants to be in a position of power from which she authorizes the free actions of men; she'd like to give her blessings from on high, her sanctions from a house of power. But we'll find that Camille does not want to redress the legal wrongs that have been made the burden of man.

Well after the whole 'women are soulless children unlike my superior insight that sounds exactly the same as every other bog standard misogynist' gaslighting thing I'm not feeling overly sympathetic to your supposed plight. Men are so often terrible at being damsels in distress haha. Because when they're scared/uncomfortable they just get really aggressive. Maybe that's why I started working on that video thing with the fairy guy a while ago that I never finished really because it ended up just being prequel but now my channel has moved on and I don't really want to go back to it in that form. Also the other similar plotlines in my head.

'Save me.' 'No I'm superior and dominant you have no soul and you're just like a child that was made for making babies and I'm going to [BEEP] men' 'Oh my God save me from feminism help'

It's not hot.

And I cut part of this off because I cannot quote everything it's so long. But he continues on this paragraph by ranting about Hillary Clinton and there's been so much ranting about Hillary Clinton. Who I don't personally like but oh my God.

This about Clinton:

She cannot even pretend to possess the masculine traits of her male peers, however corrupt they be. Enough.

Is he talking to himself there?

We'll condescend here and allow Paglia's pronouncement of herself as a pioneer in web-tech. She contributed articles to more than one online publication. We'll also assume the content of said articles to be the tripe she propounds in her speeches. Soon, in a later work, I'll show her published books to be frauds as well.

A LATER WORK.

The scroll bar isn't even half way down this fucking page and I'm not quoting everything here.

Not to stray too far, but it just occurs to me, why Madonna when there are far more sensual and authentic lady musicians out there, like Tori Amos, who all but penetrates herself on her piano while pouring out her Dionysian heart. Madonna is, was, and will always be everything Camille later accuses Lady Gaga of being, a choreographed artistic phony replete with artificial sensuality. I admit Madonna had her more authentic moments in the 80's, but really, who is this femi-l**** kidding?

He's got bored of using the word d*** I see. And he's now managing to ruin Tori Amos for me.

He doesn't like Lady Gaga so agrees with her there. Also wrong haha.

More endless sexism and anger with women. A huge chunk of it is just his incredibly low opinion of the female sex.

He keeps bragging about his supposed compassion while writing incredibly venomous things lol. It seems that he has something of a fear of being consumed by women actually. Possibly where the whole vore fetish (or parts of it) originates. Unfortunately this fear of being consumed is kind of playing into her theory that everything men do is do distance themselves from women despite him criticising that theory heavily since it obviously bothers him. Of course this doesn't apply to most men except ones with a lot of neurosis about being feminine and even then they're motivated predominantly by a desire to distance themselves from feminine men not women. Nevertheless congrats on being an example of what she's talking about.

The world is a fucking mirror reflecting things, and these things she collects, and her collection becomes herself. A life of mementos and souvenirs, things that become her. She is certainly herself, but there is no solid enough boundary to prevent you from being part of herself. It doesn't matter if you're around even, she may have you through some remembrance of your presence. One can consider such primitive feminine practices as voodoo and its related religious practices, the magical practices of witches even, at least to some degree what is constant in these practices? The ownership or control of the other as if he or she were a thing.

I'd like to know about his relationship with his mother.

I love women. I wouldn't want them to be like men. I do not turn to women generally for rational insight, for reasonable argument, for their reflection or emotional stability. One does not always desire these things; if he did, he would most likely live as a hermit. This, I think, is why Camille never mentions Cindy Lauper; because, actually, not just in song, girls just want to have fun (472). And notice she says, girls. Many women refer to each other as girls, especially when around one another, in a group of women. It's a tacit admission of the lack of rites of passage, a lack of a certain break. It's the Peter Pan thing, you know; girls, women, want eternal youth. Speaking for myself, I would never want to return to my youth, nor to my teen years, nor to my twenties, and I'll say the same in ten years about my thirties. Women want not just eternal youth, but freedom from the constraints (and many they are) that men take for granted.

So, d**** cannot be men in any of the better senses, but they can be like men in the bad senses.

Here he attempts to claim he loves women, in spite of the low assessment of women he's displayed throughout his writing here and what appears to be complete contempt for GNC and powerful women in general. Yes that's a catchy song. you find neoteny attractive and so a lot of women attempt to emulate that and have terrible insecurity about aging. In fact there is a term for that archetype in the media 'manic pixie dream girl' considering musicians who broadly fit this archetype.. I'm reminded quickly of Bjork he's Venus as a boy, not 'a very rational man who hates GNC women and lesbians.'

So now you (and various others,) have ruined rationalism, Spock, and Tori Amos. Anything else you want to ruin while you're at it?

Not everyone wants to manifest that. Some women just want to be a boss [BEEP] which probably explains some of your dissatisfaction with 'women these days'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsW66teC0BQ

What woman ends up with a stubborn prejudiced dick? Elizabeth Bennet perhaps?

"Do not consider me now as an elegant female, intending to play you, but as a rational creature, speaking the truth from her heart."



Oh, do you еnvy how I'm free?
How the life in me is rеal, running barefoot through the fields?
Oh, does it hurt how I don't look at you with fear?
Do you like to watch me kneel, 'cause the way it makes you feel?

And I hear you don't like it
I don't care if you don't

You can burn the skin I live in
But you cannot burn the witch away

Does every lady politician need to display the unwomanly habits of d****?

Which is it? unwomanly or super feminine? He can't make up his mind. Mostly because he's trying to insult her since her self concept is androgynous. He keeps going on about her inferiority complex regarding the idea of womanhood only by womanhood he means femininity and by Paglia he means himself too:

Of course, these feminists will not admit that they have a clear bias against boys, who, by their standards (female), will always be a problem. If only boys were born without the masculine nature; it would make the lives of teachers and scholarly disciplinarians so much easier (168 ). Typical feminism displaying its desire to put all students in feminine trousers. Sugar and spice and everything nice. [BEEP] you, bitch. Let's go for a ride. When was the last time you went camping? I'll be your longed-for bogeyman, broad. For those of you awaiting my novel, The Hag Who Haunted Hell, take it easy on me; I have so much work remaining on the docket.

Never once have I heard her suggest that. So paranoid. I'm fairly sure she has the opposite opinion and wants men to be masculine. It's a point you've been ranting about enough.

It's so exhausting. And she's often unpleasant too.

It was getting too 'rational' and 'masculine' so I had to start listening to Aurora.

"It's not always easy to find your place in this world made for men, as a woman. To find yourself. To learn that you are a source of life, of power, craft, thought and love. Not only a vessel. You do not exist for the pleasure of others, you exist for yourself. Even Beyond your body, your beauty, your intellect and your accomplishments, there is a woman who is worthy of this world. Believe in her. And know her worth with every breath you take. And then maybe one day the world will be in harmony. And balance. But only in the arms of equality."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P2b0cDVJiY

I found the only woman I need to love (the only, the only)
The only woman I need to love (the only, the only)
The only woman I need to love (the only, the only)
The only woman I need to love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDRn5ZnUknM





She's not really my type (I mean physically I guess, cause otherwise I guess she kind of is historically lol. And actually he had a song about Peter Pan too. and so although I was a bit too old for it really - sometime between mid-late teens - I read the book and an unofficial sequel since I was so enamoured with Patrick Wolf at the time and he seemed to be into the character. Later I found IAMX who I noticed later also had Peter Pan song lyric references + was wearing a hat at one point coincidentally.)

But I'm sort of romantically in love with her voice/soul. It started with this I think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPUFd7cv9q8

I forget how emotions dance when they aren't inside of me
I forget how the sun feels when she isn't around me
And my dreams become sweeter when something is missing
I'm in love with the hunt itself
It makes me feel alive, alive

Probably because most of her music is about empathy and empathising with outcasts lol. And that's also very rare.

you're attracted to rockstars
but scared of intimacy
you're in love with a concept
I know being in love with a concept, I have one
I slot whatever girl messages back into her

😒 Yeah OK person I used to talk to in Discord chat ~2018 How dare you. It's actually several overlapping concepts pfft.


I notice it's cultures that emphasise feminine cuteness/youthfulness where you see men pulled in that direction the most:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegyo

Aegyo literally means behaving in a flirtatious, coquettish manner and it is commonly expected for both male and female K-pop idols.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaii

In Japan, being cute is acceptable for both men and women. A trend existed of men shaving their legs to mimic the neotenic look. Japanese women often try to act cute to attract men.

Japanese pop stars and actors often have longer hair, such as Takuya Kimura of SMAP. Men are also noted as often aspiring to a neotenic look. While it doesn't quite fit the exact specifications of what cuteness means for females, men are certainly influenced by the same societal mores - to be attractive in a specific sort of way that the society finds acceptable.[29] In this way, both Japanese men and women conform to the expectations of Kawaii in some way or another.

Personally though, I've always been annoyed by looking young for my age and the perception of being young and short etc.

"All of the romance has gone out of sexual relations." Now you can respond to this on your own, by I know it not to be true for myself, and I'm verging on a fucking sadist (458 )

Not overly surprised.

If all the male brains are so limited, why does greatness tend (almost entirely) to come of the male mind?

But never yours.

There is an area that Camille likes to go around on a regular basis. It involves her childhood love of masculine costumes. She thinks that somehow makes her masculine. Contrary to this notion, it is still feminine, this interest in the fashion of men. Even cross-dressing women still betray their femininity. Likewise, drag queens, even most of those who have undergone sex-changes, carry about their masculine traits; it?s a part of the appeal and the entertainment; it?s a game, really. Yes, there are sometimes gender-bending men who actually appear female, but even this is rare. And these persons still have masculine traits, whether hidden or not. The instance of this occurring with women who play the gender-bending game is almost non-existent (248 ).

Not at all true, you just don't notice the most successful examples at all. Heterosexual stealth trans men blend in seamlessly most of the time.

He seems to take great issue with Paglia referring to herself as androgynous yet:

I do not let you go before me in line at the coffee shop because I place you in a heavenly light; I am merely being kind and hoping to make you feel good about yourself. Yes, we know that women like these sorts of things, and some of us enjoy making others happy maybe it's the feminine in us? or rather something of the flamboyant, that androgynous quality.

He wishes he was androgynous.

And, God forgive her little brain, she thinks she's like a man (324). You think like a woman in drag, Professor Paglia.

He keeps using this word feminist but as with most of these guys (because I've encountered his clone before on a bunch of occasions and they always have issues with non-conforming women, trans men and so on.) I don't think he means feminist. He also seems to try and differentiate her from transgender people briefly by saying that she doesn't get trans people (when she suggested she did,) because her androgyny is not androgyny but lesbianism and penis envy but he doesn't expand on that further and how he defines that, regardless there's a huge overlap between lesbians and transgender people so those boundaries have never been distinct. And lesbians are on average neurologically masculinised so androgynous lol. Same with bisexual women but depending on what's being measured bisexual women can be more or less masculine and obviously depends on the sample and various factors because there isn't a single phenotype. 'I'm annoyed and don't want you in my ingroup so it's not androgyny' isn't a great argument.

Yeah no, I'm not going to search for a bunch of research because it's non controversial and there's a lot of it floating around and this post existing is already dumb.

Also she's really not ideologically very feminist at all. I think she's referred to herself that way due to enjoying the contradiction honestly and for historical reasons. That being said some research has found this which is interesting:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...%20sex%20roles.

Consistent with our specific hypotheses, feminist activists exhibited a significantly more masculinized 2D:4D ratio relative to both Swedish and aggregate comparison groups, a substantially higher level of Directiveness than both the male and female Australian samples, and within-sample correlations between these variables.

Social dominance was measured with the revised Mark VI version of the Ray Directiveness scale (Ray and Lovejoy, 1984), which includes items like 'Are you the sort of person who always likes to get your own way',? 'Do you tend to boss people around', 'Would you rather take orders than give them', and 'Would you avoid a job which required you to supervise other people?' [...] Finally, it is a substantial predictor of self-report indicators of masculine versus feminine orientation in both males and females, including the full range of masculine-feminine orientation, probably because it specifically taps 'aggressive dominance' (Ray and Lovejoy, 1988 ).

In conclusion, the feminists-as-masculinized-females theory and these supportive results yield insight into the potential biological origins of feminist beliefs and value systems. These empirical data indicate that Wilson (2010) may have been right to ascribe feministic characteristics to his sample of less feminine females, if the present results generalize to some extent from feminists activists to self-identified feminists and maybe also to women's support for feminist views. These are important issues for future research based on this theoretical perspective. In any case, our findings shed new light on the feminist paradox and on studies such as that of Scharff (2012) exploring the reasons why women by-and-large eschew feminist ideology.

That's why I think people just throw around the word feminist when encountering certain personality types even if they don't really fit the ideological beliefs.

The fact that she admits to an adoration of the cock and of the male body leaves the story of her life even in a more ambivalent state. Why, for instance, does she deny herself the pleasure of coitus and of sucking dick? What about anal sex? All of these sources of pleasure, of getting off, that she has forborne. A man could make her climax in far more ways than a woman could, but she resists. So, my conclusion is that, if pathology exist, it exists in her in particular, not in the gay man, not in the heterosexual, not in the mysterious 'lesbian other.' Not even in the true bisexual, which she is manifestly not. She loves pornography; let's see on the cover of her next book a scene in which she has a dick in her mouth. Until then . . . ambiguity, ambivalence, and egregious self-contradiction win.

How could such a sexless woman proclaim a love and obsession for sex? It's an unappealing enigma. She gets along best, says she, with straight women and gay men, two categories that she does not validate (297).

Yeah the ambiguity of my sexuality pissed off the bisexual guy I knew online too lol. The bolded is just incorrect since women have more orgasms in relationships with women than men (there's data backing that up.) 51,505 words just to express your frustration with the fact that Paglia - someone you hate and don't find sexually attractive at all - won't ever [BEEP] you.

'Why does she deny herself' most men just aren't attractive so they don't inspire any desire in my opinion. That's just one reason. I think she overstates it to try and make herself seem less 'man hating'

To quote Contrapoints, a lesbian:

Whereas, even in the most patriarchal situation, straight women are ultimately attracted to men and sexually aroused by male bodies. Or are they? Gay men certainly are, and gay women are just rhapsodic about women, but a lot of straight women are just kind of meh about male bodies and men in general.

I just do not understand straight women. I don't think I ever will and that's OK.

Of course before she transitioned she was always pursued by women and didn't have to put in much effort and after transitioning admitted to struggling for a time. A lot of her sexual relationships involved feminisation. This is described as the 'female gaze' and is incredibly visible online but likely doesn't represent most straight women's desires. It would, likely, represent Camille Paglia though (if she's at all capable of being attracted to a guy,) based on stuff she's said. She seems OK having relationships with women though. The guy who wrote this switches between aggressively insisting she's a lesbian and should admit that, to insisting she wants dick and complaining that she's a 'cock-tease' her self ID has been somewhat incoherent which makes a lot of sense to me because for some people their sexuality is just a mess. But I don't understand like the level of anger and he's pointed out many times he finds her very physically unattractive and despises her personality etc. It's a lot lol.

I don't agree with her most of the time either lol but at this point this is mostly fascinating because of his intense anger regarding her sexuality etc and it's not because she's attracted to women. Especially cause I got a similar reaction from a guy who also bisexual (and this isn't him definitely not.) And really annoyed that I would talk about sex but not have sex, and the sexual ambiguity/not committing to labels. It's really weird. I'm very outspoken online though and so that must have been part of it. I've pissed off a lot of people online tbh. He was kind of easily annoyed in general though I guess, and was annoyed with other things about me.

Somebody in the comments of that Contrapoints video also brought up something related. About how women are expected to grow out of their desire for men essentially after their teen years. I don't think I'll be able to find that comment now and it mostly referred to like the way you're expected to grow out of certain 'types' of men too. I think that kind of tracks I dunno. That's more at a distance though right.

I'd say those men are not even gay; they are eunuchs. Who would [BEEP] those nancies? Come on!

oh yeah, that, you lack maternal instinct, so I guess you're a eunuch.

He has a peculiar definition of eunuch. And there's the insistence that the female sex is only useful as mothers.

Why men care so little for events that call for decorum, that most feminine of traits? Yet, men have etiquette, men have charm, men have charisma, and these things do not even require long training.

You really don't.

This is like saying the damsel in distress is superior to the hero who wends his way through Hell to save her,

Kind of yeah, why else would you save him? You're terrible at this role though as I said it's/you're not hot. Lots of women agree they want guys who are beautiful and inspire them to feel protective over them so they even often forgo relationships with real men because they just don't have that impact most of the time.

But you wouldn't get that because - despite your complaints with Paglia and the female sex - you yourself have a myopic understanding of sexuality and gender diversity.

Edit: I mean in general if you're sacrificing your life for someone it's kind of implicit that you think their life is more valuable than yours.

Sorry, lady, man took care of his family because they belonged to him, they were his. And a woman in such a bygone time-period who betrays her man deserves death, nothing less. Any honest man would agree with this, if he is in fact a man, not a pussy-whipped coward who bows to feminine and feminist wiles.

Paglia describes Victorian portraits. She says these women look like they are about to suffocate man. A praying mantis, no less. This is fantasy mere. Her grand phantasy (401).

The man, unless he is somehow disturbed or womanlike, is not a collector of so many things. Boys have feminine traits; they too collect things, accrue things unnecessarily; men do not.

It's tedious and certainly a long process, but we will eventually breed guys like you out of the gene pool lol. But you know that/have noticed a pattern. That's why you're so threatened. (Of course natural selection is a lot more complicated than that but may as well play along with their grand narrative while I'm here.)

Rather for long term relationships people prefer agreeable partners who are conscientious (that predicts long term success,) so not you, or me, or Camille Paglia lol. They also dislike neuroticism (just common sense really,) and extraversion (not so obvious but apparently true. Maybe because people are often jealous.)

It does without saying that you can't have a relationship with someone who is driven to prove their superiority over you.

This is so dumb though you could then make the case that millennials are more 'manlike' as a generation because they are less materialistic and care more about experiences than things:

https://www.marketingweek.com/millen...r-possessions/

Camille also loves to speak of Hollywood?s glamorous women, but never a peep about the flamboyant, intelligent, and charming men, whose talent made those classic movies the gems they are (415). Really, compare a Cary Grant to her beloved Katherine Hepburn, a Paul Newman to an Elizabeth Taylor, a Gary Cooper to a Marlene Dietrich. No, don?t; what use have you for men? Uh oh, I must be a total f** for liking old movies.

???

The ingenuousness of the earlier Camille seems almost a sick joke performed to poor salt in the wounds of the victims of her prized feminism. The gall of this d*** is beyond the pale. Run for your life when your slaver speaks of freedom, when your butcher preaches veganism.

I thought you said you were the uh 'greater sex' so I'm sure you can figure out how to save yourself from feminism. Jordan Peterson doesn't seem too optimistic while talking to Camille Paglia though:

The [BEEP] is guilty of a crime against mankind, of trying to hide the truth behind her various absurd theories and claims. Although she is not directly guilty of the criminal laws aimed at men, she is indirectly guilty of trying to hide those crimes through her subterfuge.

Crime against mankind lol.

Yes, her lies are brilliant in their way, even beautiful, but such action of a representative succubus should not go without punishment. Because I hold currency with the devil, I curse her vacuous soul over and again, wishing her the worst. The children, for instance, belong to the lineage of the man, not the woman, yet her and her cohorts in crime, known as feminists, turn reality on its head. Dear Camille, the patriarch is a man. What are you? The barren matriarch? What lies beyond your blouse, beneath your bra? Tits filled with poison whence your followers drink.

Don't you know? You wrote it. Well your sex wrote it which as we've established by now means you get credit somehow.

According to the treatise, God castrated Samael in order not to fill the world with their demonic offspring, this being the reason why Lilith seeks to fornicate with men.

Samael (Hebrew: סַמָּאֵל, Sammāʾēl, "Venom/Poison of God";[1] Arabic: سمسمائيل, Samsama'il or سمائل, Samail; alternatively Smal, Smil, Samil, or Samiel)[2][3][4] is an archangel in Talmudic and post-Talmudic lore; a figure who is the accuser or adversary (Satan as mentioned in the Book of Job), seducer, and destroyer (Mashhit as mentioned in the Book of Exodus).

Although many of his functions resemble the Christian notion of Satan, to the point of being sometimes identified as a fallen angel,[5][6][7]: 257?60  he is not necessarily evil, since his functions are also regarded as resulting in good, such as destroying sinners.[3]

I don't think you hold much currency. More like debt.

Finally she gets something right. The New Age movement is garbage. What she doesn't mention is that the New Age movement is a reaction to all the political and atheistic garbage her generation spewed .... for how many decades exactly? You convince the gullible masses that Christianity is a patriarchal and outdated system of domination, if not oppression, and should be abandoned as soon as possible--meanwhile arguing for the importance of bible learning and comparative religions. What do you think these gullible masses are going to do? They turn to alternatives to the religion that has been so demonized (then patronizingly appraised a darling of history, by Camille, who loves to cut off her nose to spite her dick--the dick she wishes she had, like most feminists).

Wow so all your beliefs are just terrible then lol. It's ironic to complain that Christianity has been demonised considering what it did do Pagan and polytheistic religions/mythology across the world. Literally demonising various Gods but also a range of other things/hobbies/music/art/people.

I don't think she does want a dick actually. I do (for sex,) it's not a primary concern though. Mostly I'd prefer a lower voice. That's the most frequent thing I think about honestly, or more androgynous bone structure. You guys (damaged men,) should focus on that more. I'd say with the voice thing I get more voice envy from genetic females though lol who have gone on testosterone (detransistioners often - problematically maybe - because they tend to be more androgynous.)

I do think using strapons is more convenient because they can be any size lol. And more women are having orgasms from sex toys than dicks because they have more ogasms while masutrbating and will sometimes use them, and they have more orgasms in lesbian relationships.

How many times does he use the word penis and dick in this let me search. 15 uses of the word penis, and 15 uses of the word dick lol. Also used the word cock 17 times.

He says he's had sex with women before (he's had 'sexual power' over women) yet he has the mind of an incel with none of the excuses (supposedly.)

Balderdash

Also who says that?

[Nyctophilia]

Someone posted a photo of like a random woman using a laptop wearing a really short skirt on Tumblr and wrote under it 'Geddy Lee writing basslines' then another person came along and said 'I have to draw this right now' and they did lol. I love Tumblr.

Their drawing really is just a drawing and not realistic or anything unfortunately but. This couldn't happen anywhere else.

[Nyctophilia]

I can't tell if this is fake or not because of where we're at. It sounds like a parody yet things really are that dystopian now.



Seems to be real articles.

Reading the original piece by Motherboard it seems this isn't even a "GPT" type AI, it's a regular chatbot with very limited responses, which makes the decision to install it in place of humans even more baffling??

Lol I just saw this post on tumblr:

DO NOT LET SOCIAL MEDIA TURN YOU INTO AN AMERICAN

It is difficult yeah. (As pointed out they mean the US specifically.)

None of the Americans on this post have any idea what we're talking about. They think this is something about propaganda 😂

They must have noticed right?

Someone mentioned a pretty funny subreddit called US-defaultism:



'Can we collectively'

No.

https://i.redd.it/jxs4imc0m25b1.png

'Diary? Derry isn't a word.'

'Derry is a place.'

'Not in the US that I'm aware of.'

Some of this is just people obnoxiously wanting to win arguments to the point of reaching for any excuse about why they're 'right.'

On the subreddit gen Z (asking people who the governor of their state is. Not asking Americans asking the subreddit at large):

https://i.redd.it/y9fcul1q815b1.jpg

Someone from the UK just sarcastically answered who their local MP was lol. 'We have Gary Cooke over in Kent. Personally I don't know much about him but he's a tory so [BEEP] him.'

Ahh, yes. My favourite place in America, France

That is really bad though (that this happened.)

I was literally coming here to post "no, if it was America he would have shot 20+ people"

There are several large clues here tbh even if you don't want to read the word France 'Syrian refugee' because European politics are very focussed on Syrian refugees atm and the migration debate. It looks like a US news source but most likely they copied the title from somewhere else. Wouldn't be surprised if they copied it from a UK news source because it's a particular huge conversation here. The weapon being a knife (not because the US doesn't have tons of knife crime - I think more knife crime than gun crime - but because it doesn't get reported on as much there because of the gun rights debate and the mass shooting trend that's more a thing there than in European countries. Though it does happen here occasionally.)

I think this is also a testament to people's attention span on the platform and how much they read. Nevermind reading the article now people won't even read the headline lol.

This post by an Irish person was deleted by reddit for using a word for cigarette that's also a homophobic slur (the subreddit mods brought it back though):

A week off the fags today

Never thought I could do it but just went total cold turkey this day last week. No specific date in mind I just finished a box and went [BEEP] this I?m done

Pros: Hangovers are way less painful. Never attributed smoking to worse hangovers but there ya have it Exercise tolerance feels like it has doubled already (probably hasn?t but I guess I can breathe easier) Not wasting money every other day I don?t smell bad any more ha ha!

Cons: Can?t sleep Nose won?t stop running Coughing an awful lot Throat is sore

I am sure the cons will all go away over time and I?m still buzzing a bit over the whole thing so happy Friday to all!!!

One look at the current reports for this post pretty much shows me exactly why it was Anti-Evil Operations removed ? sufficient hate removals because of the specific alternative name for cigarettes that we use around here brought it to the admins' attention:

I don't use reddit enough to know what that is. But it does sound incredibly dystopian. Apparently it's just a bot and most bots don't understand context.

I dunno about in Ireland but in the UK where people also use that word for cigarette (but I imagine it will be increasingly less commonly used now for this reason,) it's not a common slur ime but I think due to American media it has been used before (After googling again nobody I've known irl ever used it.) My dad who is somewhat homophobic has used a few different slurs for gay men. One is particularly ridiculous sounding as you can imagine. Well you can google some UK slurs if you have to know. When I was growing up kids would just use the word gay as an insult literally.

I'm not convinced he didn't know because of the widespread presence of US media and you know the existence of the subreddit I'm quoting from, esp for younger people, and he's obviously active online where you'll see people use it... But this guy from London who was banned from professional Fifa tournaments claimed he didn't know it was homophobic:

FIFA 19 pro: I'm from London, I didn?t know '[BEEP]' was homophobic

Tassal 'Tass' Rushan, a professional FIFA gaming player, has been banned from competitive FIFA 19 tournaments after using the slur in a recent YouTube video.

He said that the use of the slur was ?a very unfortunate, unintentional misunderstanding from my end,? claiming he thought the word "fag" was "like another word for prick or idiot."

"I think some of you guys could back me up on this. Who?s from London? Did you know that word had that connotation? Some of you will, some of you won?t.

The thing with a lot of these slurs is they're not exactly always intended to be homophobic they're also often used to demonise gender non-conforming people or people who are viewed as weak or have certain personality traits etc (which is not OK but shows the diversity of the usage.) 4chan and other websites online have also used the word in a different way that is sometimes insulting but not supposed to be homophobic. Eg: newfag basically means 'noob'

This is even worse:

Even worse is how Spanish, Portuguese and a few other languages (tell me which ones) can't say the word black because of the same issue.

haven't you heard? If we take a word from your language, and turn it into a slur that you have nothing to do with, if you continue using that word that's a natural part of your language, you're a fucking asshole

Reminds me of this:



I don't speak Korean but there are a couple of words with a similar sound I think. This one means you. When I used to watch kdramas about a decade ago I think it would come up quite a bit almost as much as 'Annyeonghaseyo' and I think there was another word I've forgotten or no - probably just a conjugation. I remember it vaguely because at the time I remember thinking 'huh that's kind of similar to Japanese' uh 'subnida' ? maybe. (Googling it sounded like that. That romanisation is prob wrong too.) Similar to masu form in Japanese? It's a polite verb conjugation anyway I think. But it also might be closer to 'desu' because I read that somewhere just now. I can't read Hangul which isn't helping lol and I think there could be a few similar sounding things. Well several people on quora say it's for verb conjugation. Well anyway whatever it was (and there were prob a bunch of similar sounding things my brain merged together anyway,) was similar to Japanese and I'll forget all of this again soon lol. So anyway yeah not sure it would be very avoidable.

I have a friend in Uruguay who says she knows more about what's going on in the US than her own country, just because of how prevalent US culture is online When learning English, she stopped calling what is known everywhere else as "football" by its proper name and now only calls it soccer just because Americans were so shitty about it. And I'm like I know what you're saying if you say football. I'm not gonna caps lock yell at you. But it's ingrained into her brain.

Yeah I'm never going to do this. At the most I'll put soccer in brackets and that's a courtesy because the UK created the sport and it pre-dates the US version. I've found myself doing this with 'bangs' as well sometimes so I can be understood (we call it a fringe here.) But there's various other words I won't bother to translate. I just feel like fringe is unusual enough it might confuse people. Should prob just let people google words though.

A while back for some reason I was getting texts from this football thing in Manchester (they had the wrong number,) only they were calling it soccer everytime. Excuse me? Are you the Manchester in New Hampshire now? (It wasn't.) I think the number was from the UK but it's possible the person writing those texts was foreign or something but the entire club had soccer in the name it seemed. Also could have been some kind of scam thing lol.

I'm not overly nationalistic but I don't want everything to become American specifically, so I'll push back against Americanisation sometimes.

Also it's interesting I thought this might more avoidable for non-English speakers since you have a language barrier at least (so you can use search engines and the search on social media to find stuff in that language and then just follow those accounts,) but it seems not in some cases.

[Nyctophilia]

sorry wokie but men are better at sports, that's a fact and that includes skateboarding

Perhaps he meant there are more sports that men are better at than women, but women actually outperform men in certain sports like ultramarathon running.



Actually most people seem to conclude it's an endurance thing (women tend to win more in ultra-endurance sports and they have more slow twitch muscle fibres,) and it may even be psychological. But there's no song about that.

Sia/science what are you doing? It's important for me to have songs to fit into all my posts.

Anyway that comment and other bs was posted on a trans guy's video about how he's enjoying life as a trans guy because they reckon'd he was skating like a girl.

Nothing pisses people off more than trans people enjoying life or being happy hahaha. They want us all to be miserable or to kill ourselves.

I also don't dig how the trans debate is basically a constant argument about how 'women are [BEEP] at everything and ultra victims.' Maybe it's also the fear of losing/failure but I don't know why you wouldn't want to compete against everyone.



And I can't find evidence of a biological advantage to skateboarding while quickly googling and yeah that is relevant to his point because he brought up chromosomes in another comment:

xx shows up when skateboarding 😀

Just because most professionals are male doesn't mean they have an advantage (biologically.) There's a lot of stuff that women just aren't interested in on average and are less inclined to aggressively pursue. It's also not really that dangerous but not without risk which might put some people off (my brother's friend actually got a permanent injury but tbf I think he tripped over a skateboard before he was even on the board? Then fell badly. He wasn't doing tricks or anything but I wasn't there and don't remember the details. He's also quite clumsy and also really tall and tall skateboarders injure themselves more and then you need a skateboard that works for your height and I don't know what size board he was using. That's not going to happen to most people though. It's the most insane story I've heard about. I used to skate but mostly just in a literal sense where I'd go from a to b on a board and I think at some point as a kid I tried some basic tricks but never used a half pipe or did grinds on railings. The last time was when I went for a walk with my brother in my early or mid 20s I forget when it was after 12am and we ended up skating in this car park at about 3-4am or so. I don't remember ever injuring myself though.)

I'm not sure if anyone has researched this. More to the point there's a female prof skateboarder who complained about trans women competing but she lost to so many children aged 8-13~

Came 34 out of 36 here:

https://theboardr.com/results/7281/E...mens-Vert-Open

21 in fact. A 6 year old placed two places behind her lmfao. Skateboarding is hilarious.

I know you have a [BEEP] but you should aim to be a magnificent cunt instead.

Seem to often be a disproportionate number of kids and teenagers being highly ranked and being in various competitions in the first place (most of the male sex advantages physically speaking happen during/after puberty so it's a bit suspicious when you have 6 year olds competing with fully grown adult women but mysteriously only care about the sex difference... Though it does make for a great sob story for terfs.) I've also noticed quite a lot of people who look Asian or part Asian and that includes the American competitors though there's slightly less of a trend compared to the age thing. Of course whether there's a pattern there or not, only certain differences matter.

Why are the Japanese so dominant in Olympic skateboarding?

Shhh.

Trans competitor beats 13-year-old girl in NYC women's skateboarding contest

Silverman, who has been skateboarding for 11 years, previously complained on social media that she had lost to transgender rivals twice, including at the Redbull Cornerstone competition in May, when she missed out on $5,000 in prize money by coming in second.

Yeah but tbf you've lost to a lot of 13 year olds and under as well.

Shiloh, who won last year's skateboarding contest, released a video on Monday. "I'm not upset at all, like at all. If anything, I'm really worried about how Ricci must be feeling," the girl claimed. "I really admire her courage. I can?t imagine how awful this must feel to see all this hate from all these people. Skateboarding is a wonderful sport. We accept and love everyone no matter how they choose to be identified. We're not judgmental people."

Well of course you're not upset you're ranked 117th globally (so improved since that screenshot lol,) where as Taylor Silverman is 1398th.

I've dunked on her a lot in this post, but I do have to give Taylor Silverman credit for coming 2nd place in the men's competition here if we believe her about the supposed great disadvantage:



She robbed all those men of their chance to come in 2nd. I guess she doesn't mind competing with men when it suits her. No credit for the hypocrisy.

People in the comments just don't get it.
Trans women competing in women's sports = easy win
Woman competing in men's sports = WAY more difficult. Therefor getting second shows she skated very well and outdid people. That's rad
Women competing in men's division is fine IMO.
Trans women in women's sports is an unfair advantage

I will need to see more evidence again for skateboarding because she doesn't even seem particularly great for a female pro skater yet she came in 2nd here? The maths isn't adding up.

Lol this is such old discourse and I didn't get involved with it back when it was new, but that dumb youtube comment reminded me so investigated some stuff. I feel somewhat bad for her because she was getting dunked on a lot because skateboarding is probably to the left what football is to the right. Football in the UK but also probably US football? I don't know. (skateboarding and the left due to the overlap with punks probably.) The trans rights divide is more of a left/right divide in the US less so in the UK.


You know what's really [BEEP]?

This:

Bufoni was born in Sao Paulo.[1] She began skating at age nine,[4] and her grandmother bought her first skateboard when she was 11.[5]

"I grew up in the street playing sports all the time. We didn't have computers, no smartphones. All of the kids started skating, so I did too."[6]

"My dad broke my board so I wouldn't skate anymore. I started to skateboard when I was nine years old; I was skating with all the guys in my neighborhood, and he was mad at me because I was the only girl in the middle of 10 guys. He smashed my board in front of me and said; You're not skating anymore, ever again."[7] Her father eventually relented.[6]

In 2007, Bufoni competed in her first X Games at the age of 14 in Los Angeles.[9]

She is a five-time X Games gold medalist. She tied Elissa Steamer's decade-old record for most gold in Women's SKB Street with her win at XG Shanghai 2019. Overall she earned six straight medals in X Games Women's SKB Street (2010?2014) and the title at Shanghai 2019.[10]

She has become one of the world's best-known and most influential action sports athletes.[10] Bufoni was ranked the #1 women's street skateboarder by World Cup of Skateboarding four years in a row 2010?2013 and appeared in [11] The Guinness Book of World Records (2017) for the "Most Wins Of The World Cup of Skateboarding. In 2013, she was nominated for an ESPY Award ? Best Female Action Sports Athlete.

[Doseone]

Why is it socially acceptable for men's nipples to poke out from their shirts but not women?

Because humans are brainwashed.

[Nyctophilia]

I don't often use my tumblr timeline since I stopped using tumblr really for years and a lot of it just isn't that relevant to what I'm looking for now. But I just went to look and it's like some kind of fever dream.

What is this referencing?

do not. Sell my husband twelve fascinating issues of Zoobooks and the Tiger Poster.

No idea what this is from but it seems like something that should be on my timeline I guess:



This is pretty cool. Looks kind of like glitch art fused with a Native American fabric pattern:



Also Lol (someone claiming this is an xbox 360 autographed by Abraham Lincoln):

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8e0dd296...a16ce6faa2.jpg

Something seems off here.

#why is this written like trans women have gone extinct

Is it from a thing? What is this lol?

you could tell me british people say/do literally anything and i would believe it

There are a lot of funny place names. Like Braintree.

#WHAT does sozzled bonking mean

#literally have no idea what that headline means at all

#that headline sounds like something dr. seuss would write

#please what does this mean I'm scared

Lol I speak very English so it means only an idiot would put an end to drunk sex. I'm guessing the article is something about discourse around whether people should have sex while inebriated. There was a story here a while ago about some guy who got really drunk and had sex with this woman and then choked her to death. This was supposedly an accident and a lot of people are into choking sexually now. Definitely not my thing at all.

A man who strangled a vulnerable woman during sex after drinking 24 bottles of beer has been sentenced to four years and eight months in prison.

I still don't know how you can drink 24 bottles of beer in a short space of time.

Sam Pybus, 32, from Darlington, pleaded guilty to manslaughter after accepting he had killed Sophie Moss by applying pressure to her neck during consensual "rough" sex, but that he did not intend to hurt her.

This is very upsetting and of course you shouldn't have sex while essentially brain damaged.

#england is hell on earth

#i refuse to believe england is real

I'm not convinced myself. I think I've been recruited into some live action roleplaying game/it's all some weird nightmare.

All of the 80s goth rock music videos reminds me of this one kids show I have a really vague recollection of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcUza_wWCfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZsQdLlvuk4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RVJyNpfDk

I guess because of the old fake street/film set vibe. And also the cats.

I think it was this one:

I remember watching this in school...Jesus

Watched this all the time in primary school and can't remember a thing about it but the cats 😂

Right? I was going to say. I think I watched this in school not at home. Why were we watching this in school?

Also her outfit is so 90s.

There was this play we read too when I was like 11/12 or so which I think was loosely based on the Pied Piper called rats or something like that but I couldn't find it when I looked years ago. I thought it was pretty cool I think.

It must be this right because I remember there being some kind of gang/edgy element lol:

Based on The Pied Piper Of Hamelin by Robert Browning, Rats! is a new look at the story with memorable music and witty lyrics. The rats who plague Hamelin are punks and the Pied Piper has the charisma of a rockstar!

I don't remember much about it now though lol.

[Doseone]

I like how Christian apologists argue that physicalism/materialism can't account for consciousness, but somehow God creating souls out of nothing makes more sense. lol.

[Nyctophilia]

Oh my God.



I love that YouTube is just suggesting me [BEEP] like this now 'You searched for water instruments many times so would you like to swim in a piano?'

[Otherside]

Oh my God.



I love that YouTube is just suggesting me [BEEP] like this now 'You searched for water instruments many times so would you like to swim in a piano?'

...The internet has the weirdest stuff

[Doseone]

I wanna talk to people on last.fm, but I don't know what to say.

[Nyctophilia]

Honestly I've brought her up a couple of times recently but I actually do think Anastacia is very underrated based on vocal talent. She was visible for a brief period in the early 2000s but she should really be as famous as Adele or Britney.

It?s crazy how famous she is in Europe but she could walk down any street in America and nobody would know who she is

That's weird. America sleep on lots of people though lol.





A lot of it isn't really my favourite genre/style of music but her voice is still really good. I think this was her most popular song back then? And yeah I don't really like the style but her voice is really great:



I also didn't realise this until I started reading her wikipedia page but she's also 5'2" (same height as me,) so that's even more unusual than she has that voice. And that's unfair cause I think she'd made a good rock singer lol.



(this meme works even better because Yugi has that weird voice thing going on where he usually has a high pitched voice.)

Evidently I sound like a poor man's version of Halsey (if you listen from a distance. I'm not as talented as her obviously lol. I only say this because my brother once mistook Halsey for me when I was listening to her.)

I actually don't manage high notes well either lol cause I don't naturally sing well and I haven't had any training. My friend said my singing wasn't bad but pointed out that I don't have enough breath support so that's why I was struggling with the higher notes in this song when I was trying to sing this:



This post is all about meeeeeee again now =P

She has some good songs too actually but I haven't really listened to her much for a decade probably. A lot of the ones I've listened to are quite sad or bittersweet sounding. She reminds me of Tori Amos in that sense (also because of the piano.)

Lyrically, "Samson" references the biblical episode of Samson and Delilah, found in Judges 16.[5][6] Samson was granted extraordinary physical strength by God, though his strength was held in his hair, without which he was powerless. He fell in love with Delilah, who, because of his lust for women, discovered his vulnerability, and used it against him.[6][7]

He then falls in love with Delilah in the valley of Sorek.[18][20][21][23] The Philistines approach Delilah and induce her with 1,100 silver coins to find the secret of Samson's strength so that they can capture their enemy, but Samson refuses to reveal the secret and teases her, telling her that he will lose his strength if he is bound with fresh bowstrings.[18][21] She does so while he sleeps, but when he wakes up he snaps the strings.[18][21] She persists, and he tells her that he can be bound with new ropes. She ties him up with new ropes while he sleeps, and he snaps them, too.[18][21] She asks again, and he says that he can be bound if his locks are woven into a weaver's loom.[18][21] She weaves them into a loom, but he simply destroys the entire loom and carries it off when he wakes.[18][21]

Delilah, however, persists and Samson finally capitulates and tells Delilah that God supplies his power because of his consecration to God as a Nazirite, symbolized by the fact that a razor has never touched his head, and that if his hair is cut off he will lose his strength.[24][25][18][23] Delilah then woos him to sleep "in her lap" and calls for a servant to cut his hair.[18] Samson loses his strength and he is captured by the Philistines, who blind him by gouging out his eyes.[18] They then take him to Gaza, imprison him, and put him to work turning a large millstone and grinding grain.[21]

Halsey is certainly a soprano given her small vocal weight, youthful, feminine timbre, and weak lower register.

This is racist. (Lol no I just like saying that because I'm dumb.)



But no hilarious first world problems. 'Someone compared my voice to Halsey's and the internet is saying her voice sounds youthful and small.'

Actually I think her voice is hard for people to identify. Like for example:

People have debated for years what her voice type is, some labeling her as a light lyric soprano that fakes having a deeper voice,

Chatgpt (or whatever that bing search AI is called,) thinks mezzo-soprano but that she sings in a babyish way:

However, I can tell you that Halsey is a pop singer with a 2-octave range in the mezzo-soprano category1. Her vocal range is roughly two octaves long and a perfect fifth wide, stretching from D3 ? E5 ? A523. Her voice has been described as raspy2 and she sings with a high larynx in her midrange, creating a bright and "babyish" sound4.

Tbf that AI can't be trusted too much especially in 'creative mode.' It said some really hilarious but wrong things about The Sims 2.

This website seemed to argue that she's an alto somehow? (Which is actually the lowest female voice so what.)

Halsey's vocal range is a topic of debate among fans and music critics. Some say she is an alto, while others argue she is a soprano. There is no definitive answer, but we can take a closer look at the evidence to try to make a determination. Halsey?s voice is often described as "smoky" or "husky." This is typically a quality found in lower-pitched voices. Additionally, her vocal range spans from about F3 to C5. This is also indicative of an alto range. However, it?s worth noting that Halsey?s voice has a lot of versatility. She is able to sing both lower- and higher-pitched notes with relative ease. This could be seen as evidence that she is actually a soprano. In the end, it?s hard to say definitively whether Halsey is an alto or a soprano. However, based on the evidence, it seems more likely that she is an alto.

She gets it:

Les has cited being transgender as contributing to her exploration of different singing styles, including pitched-up "nightcore style" vocals, which she once used almost exclusively in her music due to her experiences with voice dysphoria.[1] However, in a 2021 Pitchfork interview, she revealed she had begun taking vocal lessons and recording new 100 gecs music with unpitched vocals, saying, "As I've been exploring my voice more, I'm like, 'I can do this.'"[12]

(that's also why I like demonic sounding edited vocals, and screaming vocals but I also like the combination of weirdly high pitched and low pitched vocals in music cause it creates an androgynous creepy sort of effect. I also just like androgynous singing voices in general - high pitched male vocalists/low pitched female vocalists.)

Really great example (so I guess I'd actually just like a voice with insane range lol):



Sometimes sounds like a goblin. I wonder if that's why Tumblr seems obsessed with goblins lol. With the whole 'goblincore' subculture (I mean the aesthetic motivation is mostly similar to late gothic subcultures where you romanticise or identify with monsters, dark stuff, ugly stuff etc but also this. It seems to appeal to LGBT+ people a lot but that might just be cause it started on tumblr lol.) And then someone asked Strange Aeons if she and her girlfriend were a butch/femme couple (because her girlfriend is very androgynous sometimes she gets comments like 'why are you dating someone who looks like a guy' etc,) and she responded something like 'we don't really use that language we just see ourselves as two goblins' or something lol. (I don't remember exactly but it was something like that.)

Also I feel like Halsey hates being labelled as a pop artist but got pigeon holed into it and forced into it because of her vocal range. Like it mentions that on wikipedia that she thinks she's only classified a pop artist because she's female which is part of it but I'd also say it's because of her vocal style (which does correlate with sex.) But I also think over time she became afraid to take risks. She brought that up in this interview:



I can see there's a huge debate about whether she should become a rock singer on her music video for Nightmare but tbf it seems like a lot of people got distracted and started arguing over whether her music or the song is rock - or even pop rock - which of course it isn't but that wasn't really the point. But I think they are hugboxing either way because they're fans.

Halsey needs to do more rock, her voice is literally meant for it

What they mean is her energy. And it comes out - imo - because she's admitted to listening to rock music and being a fan of Nine Inch Nails etc, but she makes the music that suits her voice etc, and these things conflict.

Another example (this is actually a better example of this than the previous one I went with before editing this 'New Americana' lol not sure why I didn't go with this. Also a better example of why people are confused maybe):



Can she make rock music yeah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKXixnuA5FM

Easier than Lying is a better example than the above link (The Lighthouse song,) which is almost post-rock in parts. I just found it amusingly archetypal/symbolic? Or something because of the siren + Satanic aspect of the lyrics considering what I mentioned later in the post. Like the focus is more violent instead of just the beauty/seduction.

From a tender age I was cursed with rage
Came swinging like a fist inside a batting cage
I went swimming with the devil at the bottom of a lake
And he left me there by my lonesome

He was tall and mean with venom eyes so green
Wanted reconciliation, but my tongue was in my teeth
I couldn't find the floor, so I was kickin' with my feet
But they weren't there, they were stolen

There is a lighthouse in the
Middle of the deep end
I'm still standing on the shore line
And nobody hears me scream
And I'll lure you like a landslide
And I'll show you lovely things
If you rescue me but they'll make believe
The lighthouse by the sea

Well, the waves were tall and they were crashing down
He's laying in the water begging God to let him drown
So I showed him all my teeth and then I laughed out loud
'Cause I never wanted saving, I just wanted to be found

Well, that should teach a man to mess with me
He was never seen again
And I'm still wandering the beach
And I'm glad I met the devil
'Cause he showed me I was weak
And a little piece of him is in a little piece of me



But rock fans usually prefer voices like this most of the time:



Courtney Love is really hated though lol, but musically speaking.



I guess Ann Wilson is also a lyric soprano and makes it work though.



Her voice has obviously gotten lower with age cause that happens to everyone (so she doesn't go as high as he does in the original, It's falsetto but it's still hard to do what he did well in a healthy way, and he didn't based on what I've read lol this is still good though):



I'm not inclined to include all the symphonic metal band female vocalists (Sharon den Adel, Tarja Turunen etc both sopranos I think,) their vocals are very powerful because they're operatic, but they transform the genre to the point where it becomes it's own subgenre because of their operatic vocals. There are also - in a similar vein - a few hyper feminine ethereal wave/dream pop female musicians such as this sort of thing:



While they're talented vocally (I'm not trying to insult them. I think this sort of thing often gets read that way,) what they're doing is also different they're like ethereal sirens/angels (not just vocally but like in some music videos that's the theme lol,) not Joan Jett, and ultimately gets classified in a different way as a result. Male goth rock musicians sing in a much lower voice typically (that's sort of an expectation of the genre, if you're a guy with a higher voice it would be harder to get by in the genre I imagine.) Here's an exception to the general rule where you have a female singer in a goth/darkwave band with a low voice (Shannon Funchess from Light Asylum):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNiKCRUpbqA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Funchess

The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted.

Hahaha wikipedia stop being trash. I remember when they used to do this for the Crywank band bio but then finally they had enough mainstream sources that they were deemed relevant enough lol (the entire band that is not just individual members.) This hasn't just been an issue on wikipedia lol! They posted something similar on twitter:

This year I?ve had about five music journalists reach out wanting to cover Crywank only to reach out shortly afterwards to apologise because their editor told them no 👻

But yeah I think Light Asylum meet the standards but most individual musicians won't be famous enough to get their own bio. But yeah they don't have infinite server space. They don't seem to often merge them though. There are a lot of band pages with very little info about individual members and I get curious. Look if various streamers and YouTubers get wikipedia articles I figure she can probably have one lol. (I didn't write that article btw lol. I edit pages sometimes but never bother writing entire pages.)

Lol trying to argue why she should be included. 'Well I heard about the band in a YouTube video by ofherbsandlalters which specifically focussed on her vocals at one point in the video' :



Oh wait no I didn't hear about Light Asylum in that video I forgot. There was another song I stumbled on a bit before this video lol because it was part of the soundtrack for the TV show Russian Doll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB4qc7y-o60

But the ofherbsandalters video was my introduction to that particular song I linked, which I like a lot more than Shallow Tears (though I liked Shallow Tears enough to look up the band.) I did find her vocal range very interesting because her singing voice sounded male or close to basically.

Apparently all genderfluid/genderqueer trans masc people with an interest in goth culture, who live in the UK and have at some point dyed their hair, have the same weird vocal fixations (sample size: 2 lol.) Although I also like other types of screaming vocals and they mention they prefer fry screaming. Hall of Mirrors (The Distillers,) is such a good song though and I do really like Brody Dalle. I don't like Oasis or Liam Gallagher in general, but I said this before. But yeah they're using AI for that now Grimes has an AI of her voice lol. She's splitting royalties with people who use it 50/50 I think. But it's not the same thing obviously as having a voice that is unique to yourself that you like and that expresses what you want.

and ofherbsandalters once had a photo of himself included in a contrapoints video Envy (her 3rd most viewed video,) for literally 2 seconds where she mentioned goths while talking about Nietzsche as you do (timestamp,) Contrapoints is also a long time patreon supporter of the YouTuber Strange Aeons who included clips of two-three of ofherbsandalters videos in her video on mall goths here. And Contrapoints has a very detailed and long wikipedia article written about her. Therefore by the transitive property (or not I don't 100% know what that means,) of YouTubers who get wikipedia articles this must be allowed. Contrapoints knows about a YouTuber who has heard of this musician.



"Oh but The Guardian hasn't written about any of these people (except Contrapoints)'

Boooo. I'm like an anti-hipster 'you will all become fans/read about this person.'

Halsey's work with Nine Inch Nails was interesting though (I dunno what she's doing now.) other than that I mostly liked her first album and she's a good lyricist which I mentioned before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so8V5dAli-Q

And all the kids cried out, "Please stop, you're scaring me"
I can't help this awful energy
God damn right, you should be scared of me
Who is in control?

I'm well acquainted with villains that live in my head
They beg me to write them so they'll never die when I'm dead
And I've grown familiar with villains that live in my head
They beg me to write them so I'll never die when I'm dead

I'm bigger than my body
I'm colder than this home
I'm meaner than my demons
I'm bigger than these bones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRHNi3QfFlE

But yeah I don't keep up with newer stuff as much. I like Nine Inch Nails though so that caught my attention.

(going back to Anastacia being underrated.) I think Anastacia had some health problems though and she was in her 30s by the time she got some mainstream success kinda like Maria Brink I think. (I mean she was working in music before then, but she didn't get significant fame until her 30s.)

Howorth refused to audition her because she was a woman. But he quickly changed his mind and apologized to her after hearing her sing

Rude. Lol yeah just start singing.



She's one of my favourite vocalists lol.



And honestly a lot of the music doesn't interest me that much. It's fine but especially now they've moved into a kind of electronic era I probably wouldn't listen to any of it if not for her so they can essentially put anything and it will be at least OK on that basis. I don't mind metalcore but it's not my favourite metal subgenre. Eluveitie is the opposite where the music is more interesting than the vocals to me.

This is a good example where her vocals are the selling point imo:



This is better musically though:



Newer music is less melodic I guess?

*drags out Kurt Cobain's corpse*







^ has a few redeeming qualities. They've included some piano.



I'm not sort of thinking 'wow these guitars are amazing' Like:





Sometimes the thought process seems like 'we will make very loud and heavy music the louder and heavier the better.' Lol. This is probably a bigger problem for US bands? I don't hate the US lol. 'Many of my favourite bands/musicians are from the US.'

I like to ask myself 'would I listen to this as an instrumental?' And then I like to deafen myself while writing this post by having the volume on my headphones up to loud as I search for the highest quality upload of this track.

Yeah cause I discovered that through this I think lol (either that or another guitar cover by someone else lol but both around the same time)



Gone way off topic again lol.

[Nyctophilia]

Separated this into a new post because I just kept having more thoughts and it was really off topic lol:

Lyrically, "Samson" references the biblical episode of Samson and Delilah, found in Judges 16.[5][6] Samson was granted extraordinary physical strength by God, though his strength was held in his hair, without which he was powerless. He fell in love with Delilah, who, because of his lust for women, discovered his vulnerability, and used it against him.[6][7]

He then falls in love with Delilah in the valley of Sorek.[18][20][21][23] The Philistines approach Delilah and induce her with 1,100 silver coins to find the secret of Samson's strength so that they can capture their enemy, but Samson refuses to reveal the secret and teases her, telling her that he will lose his strength if he is bound with fresh bowstrings.[18][21] She does so while he sleeps, but when he wakes up he snaps the strings.[18][21] She persists, and he tells her that he can be bound with new ropes. She ties him up with new ropes while he sleeps, and he snaps them, too.[18][21] She asks again, and he says that he can be bound if his locks are woven into a weaver's loom.[18][21] She weaves them into a loom, but he simply destroys the entire loom and carries it off when he wakes.[18][21]

Delilah, however, persists and Samson finally capitulates and tells Delilah that God supplies his power because of his consecration to God as a Nazirite, symbolized by the fact that a razor has never touched his head, and that if his hair is cut off he will lose his strength.[24][25][18][23] Delilah then woos him to sleep "in her lap" and calls for a servant to cut his hair.[18] Samson loses his strength and he is captured by the Philistines, who blind him by gouging out his eyes.[18] They then take him to Gaza, imprison him, and put him to work turning a large millstone and grinding grain.[21]

This is actually against my religion lol. My religion is men having long hair (unless they can't.) I'm joking but only slightly. I once had a nightmare that some musician cut his hair hahahaha.

The bible passage was written at a time when slaves had short hair because they'd cut off all their hair. They still encourage black guys to have short hair culturally in the West by demonising dreadlocks etc and saying they look unprofessional (they do this with all long hair on guys but with black guys most of all, and they encourage black women to straighten their hair so it's closer to white women's.)

My dad was always nagging my brother to get his hair cut even though he had relatively long hair himself but his was straight and he'd tie it up in a ponytail. My brother's hair is curly so he thought it looked messy. I think his primary reason for not wanting to get it cut though was just that he hated hairdressers and he didn't care much aesthetically either way. He had long hair most of the time until his 20s. These days he just shaves most of it off himself. I also cut my own hair lol because I also hate going.

I do think we've moved away from that image of short hair as being a slave thing though. For the most part it's just seen as masculine now instead and my reason for liking long hair is (in relation to that,) probably more because I like androgynous traits in men in general. (Though I don't think that's the whole story since as I mentioned before I also tend to give my characters who I'm not sexually attracted to long hair. I think it just has cool wizard/occult vibes which I like. I guess that does go back to the 'magic powers = long hair' thing.)

So now if you have long hair I suppose it would be seen as weak, because it's seen as more feminine. I'd say it depends on the overall vibe but I don't think people differentiate in children because they look naturally androgynous other than hair length since most changes happen after puberty. I mean my brother was never very feminine or anything with the exception of this period where he had a baby doll he named and looked after. He was quite aggressive (often getting into trouble for that,) and he never wore female clothing. But people often thought he was a girl up until puberty. Well my nan claims that when we were very young people still thought we were twin girls so I dunno (I don't remember this, she found this amusing and brought it up a few times.) He didn't have long hair then I don't think. Maybe just because we were very close. We don't look that similar since I look more like my dad/dad's side of the family and maybe a bit like my grandma I think and he looks more like some other people on my mum's side like her dad. We're not even twins lol.

For example people on twitter were complaining recently about how Megan Fox has three sons that all dressed like girls but when I looked only one was dressed femininely the other two just had really long hair and male clothing so they looked like little metal heads. One was actually wearing a Led Zeppelin t-shirt lol.

They complain about the androgyny of Hollywood star's children often. Chris Hemsworth for example talked about how his daughter told him she wanted a penis, and his sons wanted to dress up as Wonder Woman for Halloween. (and this is also where the 'they're all evil Satanic cultists' thing comes from. But I think creative people tend to be more androgynous and experiment more and this is probably genetic. Even if they're not particularly their kids might be. I also think that non-conformity is somewhat genetic based on what I've read as is sexuality and of course Megan Fox is bisexual.

Fox also said that she was never popular in high school, and that "everyone hated me, and I was a total outcast, my friends were always guys, I have a very aggressive personality, and girls didn't like me for that. I've had only one great girlfriend my whole life." In the same interview, she mentions that she hated school and has "never been a big believer in formal education" and that "the education I was getting seemed irrelevant. So, I was sort of checked out on that part of it."[22]

Oh and I was reading this article a few days ago because I was looking up some stuff about Kenneth Zucker (psychologist/sexologist,) so there was a story about one of his patient's (the article was contrasting his approach with a more accepting therapist):

https://www.npr.org/2008/05/07/90247...er-preferences

It wasn't until Halloween when her 2 1/2-year-old son decided to dress as Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz that Carol began to worry.

Bradley had always had a preference for girls' things. From his earliest days he had chosen girls' dolls, identified with female characters and gravitated toward female children. But Carol had never thought to care. As far as she was concerned, it wasn't a loaded gun; it wasn't a lit cigarette. She says it had really never crossed her mind to say, "I'd really rather you played with a truck."

Then, on Halloween, the calculus began to tip.

To simulate Dorothy's hair, Carol covered Bradley's blond crewcut with a brown tea towel. Bradley loved it. In fact, he became obsessed with his tea-towel hair. For months afterward he would wake up every morning and put the towel on his head. When Carol tried to remove it, he would protest.

"It was really obsessive," Carol says. "We really had to negotiate times when he just couldn't wear it anymore. ... He seemed to feel uncomfortable and nervous sometimes when he didn't have this hair, this tea-towel hair."

And as Bradley grew older, his discomfort with things male also grew. He would shun other boys -- he played exclusively with girls. Again, this concerned Carol, but she wasn't frantic about it.

It was a single event that transformed her vague sense of worry into something more serious. One day, Bradley came home from an outing at the local playground with his baby sitter. He was covered in blood. A gash on his forehead ran deep into his hairline.

"What had happened was that two 10-year-old boys had thrown him off some playground equipment across the pavement because he'd been playing with a Barbie doll -- and they called him a girl," Carol says. "So that sort of struck me, that, you know, if he doesn't learn to socialize with both males and females ... he was going to get hurt."

Me and my brother would fight sometimes for fun but also when annoyed. One time he chucked a toy table at me so I ended up with a cut under my eye actually when we had to have pictures taken. One time I kicked him in the back because he distracted me while I was playing a playstation game (talked about most of this stuff before. Probably the most mad my dad has ever been with me.) I think I used to hit him on the head sometimes when he was annoying me. I accidentally gave him two nose bleeds as well one time I was pretending to punch him but then actually did, another time I was just swinging on the stairs and he walked up so I kicked him accidentally. I used to try to climb across the rail on top of the landing over the stairs and do weird stuff like that (So if I fell I'd just fall down the stairs.) Kind of dangerous lol. Very monkey like. Used to climb this tree in the garden a lot. I did a lot of dumb stuff though like walking up waterslides people were trying to go down etc. I was very well behaved in school due to social anxiety/selective mutism, but then as soon as you removed authority I just basically went crazy. So when I was on holiday in France with my family there were often no adults around, or at least adults I was worried about so I'd just go wander off with my brother or other kids I met there. Terrorising the French. No I wasn't that bad lol. (Actually British tourists do have a terrible reputation though.) This is what Jordan Peterson talks about I guess with the internet when he says there are some very disagreeable people who are somewhat restrained in real life but then just 'go off' online. There were a lot of kids at my mum's work too (she worked in a special needs school,) and because our parents (mums mostly obviously,) would be working we'd all hang out together after school while waiting for our parents to finish, and often get into trouble with the caretaker. He had to put up with a lot thinking back. Like Scrubs but in reverse.

I think there are laws I respect because I believe they're actually wrong (like if it was legal to assault people I wouldn't just start randomly assaulting people,) but then there are things that I just don't care that much about so I only respect that rule based on punishment. (Psychopaths are like this with most things, only even then if they have impulse control issues they won't care even when they are at risk for being put in prison.) Some things fall in between like I don't care about trespassing unless it's someone's house because then that would be traumatising/scary for them or at least annoying. There are ambiguous laws regarding trespassing in the UK in abandoned places etc, sometimes the police will ask you to move on I believe it's kind of a legal grey area. Lol one time George Carlin said he straight up didn't care about theft on Bill Maher's show (I think it's like 6:28 in the video below,) but tbf I think he was kind of annoyed with the tendency of people to take theft more seriously than murder/people's lives and also wealth distribution makes no sense anyway so it's not like the rules of the game make sense:



Likewise I don't care all that much about digital piracy tbh and since it's not strongly criminalised I engage in that often because it's easy and I don't think it causes enough harm if I pirate a TV show and I don't want to pay for several different subscription TV services. I also pirate scientific research because I think it's morally wrong to lock it behind a paywall. And also other non-fiction books sometimes if it's related to something I'm studying (because I want knowledge but I don't want to pay tons for every book when I need to look up some quote from or to fact check some detail. Often I'm not going to read the entire book anyway. I guess that's why libraries were invented but that involves leaving the house and they won't have most of those books at local libraries here anyway.) I mostly pay for books and video games though. I usually listen to music on YouTube so don't pay for most of that, sometimes buy music though especially from smaller/indie musicians. I'm still going to end up listening to it on YouTube whether I buy it or not most of the time lol and I usually end up seeing the people I listen to the most live multiple times and buying a bunch of band merch.

My brother also on at least one occasion chucked a brick at a girl because he was annoyed I remember this happening twice but he only remembers one time and I probably just mixed up the memory with something else happening because it's vague now (generally this sort of thing would be frowned upon because she's a girl, but obviously he grew up with me and didn't really know that you 'don't fight girls.' Also obviously it's excessive and he cringes about this a lot now.) He was way less physically aggressive after childhood.

But why should someone have to change their behaviour/interests because some gynephiles are unruly nightmares and then learn bigotry from their dads etc?

So, to treat Bradley, Zucker explained to Carol that she and her husband would have to radically change their parenting. Bradley would no longer be allowed to spend time with girls. He would no longer be allowed to play with girlish toys or pretend that he was a female character. Zucker said that all of these activities were dangerous to a kid with gender identity disorder. He explained that unless Carol and her husband helped the child to change his behavior, as Bradley grew older, he likely would be rejected by both peer groups. Boys would find his feminine interests unappealing. Girls would want more boyish boys. Bradley would be an outcast.

First of all which girls? Because a lot of girls seem to really like the idea of effeminate gay male friends especially these days. Some of them will be shitty about it though.

You see this is sad and makes me angry. Especially when you consider the main reason she had an issue was because her son was being violently assaulted for his nonconformity:

"In the beginning, he didn't really care, because he'd picked stuff he didn't play with," Carol says. "But then it really got down to the last few."

As his pile of toys dwindled, Carol realized Bradley was hoarding. She would find female action figures stashed between couch pillows. Rainbow unicorns were hidden in the back of Bradley's closet. Bradley seemed at a loss, she said. They gave him male toys, but he chose not to play at all.

"He turned to coloring and drawing, and he just simply wouldn't play with anything. And he would color and draw for hours and hours and hours. And that would be all he did in a day," Carol says. "I think he was really lost. ... The whole way that he knew and understood how to play was just sort of, you know, removed from his house."

His drawings, however, also proved problematic. Bradley would populate his pictures with the toys and interests he no longer had access to -- princesses with long flowing hair, fairies in elaborate dresses, rainbows of pink and purple and pale yellow. So, under Zucker's direction, Carol and her husband sought to change this as well.

"We would ask him, 'Can you draw a boy for us? Can you draw a boy in that picture?' ... And then he didn't really want us to see his drawings or watch him drawing because we would always say 'Can you draw a boy?'" Carol says. "And then finally after, I don't know, a month or two, he just said, 'Momma, I don't know how. ... I don't know how to draw a boy.'"

Carol says she finally sat down and showed him. From then on, Bradley drew boys as directed. Male figures with anemic caps of hair on their heads filled the pages of his sketchbook.

The below quote is a way bigger issue then how her kids dress honestly lol (I've heard this before from [BEEP] women):

She is bisexual, and said she believes that "all humans are born with the ability to be attracted to both sexes".[103] She stated in 2009, "I have no question in my mind about being bisexual. But I'm also a hypocrite: I would never date a girl who was bisexual, because that means they also sleep with men, and men are so dirty that I'd never want to sleep with a girl who had slept with a man."[104]