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    Conservatives and right wingers on twitter are saying that they'll start dressing femininely to try and get their trans children to drop it because they think it will make it 'uncool' and that's how it works.


    This makes me feel like an evil genius again. Just like the time Stephen Crowder decided to dress up (multiple times I think,) to make some weird point.


    I mean I had nothing to do with it but sure why not?

    Your child tells you they're transsexual and, as much as you try, they refuse to accept their innate biologly

    What should you do?

    As a man I would say I'm transgender too and buy the most ridiculous fake boobs, short skirts, wig, high heels, absurd makeup, etc. I would constantly make huge scenes and over exaggerate and flaunt buying tampons etc while taking her any where in public

    daughter says she's trans (9th grade)
    wtfdo.jpeg
    confess I'm trans too
    she's confused
    dad no you're not
    stop being a bigot Charlotte, let's do this together
    wear dress and makeup next morning
    daughter is angry, tells me to stop faking
    no, I'm trans honey. now get in the car and let's go to school
    she's horrified, asks to be dropped off a block away
    nope, walk her in, wave to front desk
    she's fuming
    wife can't stop laughing
    pick up daughter, in skirts and heels. shitty makeup, glitter on cheeks, skip to her and her friends
    DAD STOP ITS NOT FUNNY
    demad she uses my pronouns, call her a bigot
    next morning she's done with the whole trans thing, begs me to stop.

    Seriously why are there so many of these comments? Is this some psyop? There were several more besides this.


    You know I think right wingers in general should do this, because then the left will stop doing it because it's your thing. You know like how you made Pepe racist. So you should all do this... 'Right wing for trans' just go all in. I really think that will stop me from being non-binary.


    You know what else would probably work? Like if you all grew out really long hair and turned into hot twinks. Or became femboy nazis. Then, everyone on the left will totally turn off that aesthetic too. Oh and I bet if you let your wives vote for you like whatever decision they want. I bet left wing people will be so disgusted because you're right wing that they'll do the complete opposite and all the left wing women will let their husbands vote for them.





    Nevermind they're way ahead of me apparently wtf (I actually removed a bunch of this post above before but editing it back in here because I just saw this tweet):





    new conservative joke idea: i become an ardent supporter of transgender rights and pressure my local representative to expand the rights and protection of transgender people to really DESTROY those libs !!

    I can't even make jokes anymore lmfao.


    You really think this is some kind of own? I guess it is. I asked for long hair...


    My manifesting powers are improving. I knew all the meme magic with lemons would pay off.


    Actually on a similar note there's this video that's circulating that someone has captioned "The end result of Project 2025" with this couple dressed in I guess 1940s clothing and apparently:


    it's funny you post this because I follow this girl on tiktok and she?s stated several times they?re both progressive, support LGBT and just love 1940s aesthetics/fashion
    I just knew once they blew up weirdo trads would start using them for their LARP, I feel bad for them 😭

    Lmao all the people that do anything these rwers consider traditional are usually progressive, the women who do crochet, the women who keep old hairstyles alive, these are all niche subcultures kept up by progressive women as hobbies lol, even stuff like baking
    literally! I love baking and cooking and vintage fashion why do they have to make it weird!!

    I said before that progressive people often are more succesful at really just popularising everything lol - including their own aesthetics and values. Like cottagecore was more succesful then anything they've done.


    The right are very authoritarian with it and so no one listens to them and they wonder why.


    This is the tiktok. I feel like she's addressing this in this tiktok lol but I don't speak Dutch (yes they are not even American.)


    https://www.tiktok.com/@_boe_moe_/vi...29836735892769


    fun fact: both of the ppl in the video are actually very progressive and support lgbtq+ rights! they just like the aesthetic lol

    if ur saying the result of project 2025 is lgbtq+ acceptance, then good for u! glad to see someone supporting us😁

    What's their names? They should take action for unauthorized use of their image.

    They should really this would disgust me.





    "The end result of project 2025."


    Another thing I'm enjoying is that most people I can think of on social media who are into vintage aesthetics aren't American. I like the idea of American right wing men seething that American women don't dress like that hahaha.


    Here's the thing..

    If you'te rich, you don't care about [...] subversion.

    Transgenderism is 20O% a [...] construct throughout history.

    [...]

    No no. It's a fujo trans masc conspiracy. A trans woman on twitter told me and I thought that sounded kind of entertaining so it's true now:


    personally i blame the trans dude who made me watch ouran host club in middle school
    he was a king we need more based fujo trans men helping guide confused boys along the way
    produced out of yaoi fetishism for further yaoi production, they are geniuses honestly, men who if turned to lesser pursuits would be billionaires
    lmfao truly

    luv when the hardcore yaoi art is drawn so goddamn well that you know theres no way the guy who drew it has a natal penis. u just kno an ftm drew this bc its *too* hot. You can just picture the absolute pornsick mfer w bobcat bangs w his drawing tablet listening to critical role
    This is very specific...


    im brain damaged... there should be a fund paid into by everyone who wrote online yaoi slash fiction from 2005-2010 to ease the financial burden of my paraautistic affliction

    im a yaoi cracked my egg mtf... im not like... gonna be 100% lesbian... but i feel strongly about identifying as sapphic as anything... i see twinks and femboys as kind of objects of sapphic desire too
    "are teenage girls being cringe online a detriment to the [BEEP] community" and other pressing issues tonight at six
    im a bl obsessed fujo wheres my mob of pissed off busybodies
    Only afab fujos get to be evil.


    isn't an aap femboy just a dude who's too lazy to work out

    lol.


    I am investigating further now for entertainment:


    does anyone have that post thats like the fujo trans woman complaining that this could have been her if she didnt have dysphoria over a picture of two anime guys making out

    If I continue I know I'm going to get into fujo discourse which is tedious, old and dumb though... If only there was an 'entertaining tweets only' filter.


    Oh no it's happening. I just wanted to find more entertaining stuff...


    I've mostly stumbled on dumb stuff now lol.


    Wait back on track:


    real! cisgay men weep at the ex-gayboy to fujo trans woman pipeline. we've earned the fetishization fair and square ✊

    world renowned bihet doggirl, gayboy at times, mdni

    What does this mean?


    what are yalls sexuality pipelines??? mine is personally the straight to bisexual to aroace to lesbian pipeline
    bisexual homoromantic > gay boy > bi girl

    That I guess.


    im tgirl bisexual which means i like older women and despise older men

    I think that's just a sapphic trend in general.


    im evil bisexual (preference for men)

    No evil bisexual is when you turn men into women when you feel like it, but I guess that's a different version of evil bisexual. There are many evil bisexualities. Like this:


    im a yaoi cracked my egg mtf... im not like... gonna be 100% lesbian... but i feel strongly about identifying as sapphic as anything... i see twinks and femboys as kind of objects of sapphic desire too

    asking a bunnygirl if we can [BEEP] like rabbits
    IM NOT A BUNNY!!!

    No you're a dog girl right? This is disapointing.


    what if there are other animals that are also so me but i just don?t know abt it bc i haven?t read up on their needs and behavior and etc
    maybe i could be a bunny?. but idk anything abt bunnies so i'll never know. u can blame my high schools small animal care class getting shut down before the 2nd semester where i was gonna learn and care for the bunnies for that >:(

    I will.


    This is so ASMR-ish:

    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    Ridley Scott when asked for his thoughts on Quentin Tarantino retiring after his next film:

    "I don't fucking believe that bullshit. Shut up and go make another movie."




    Lol.


    If I can manifest Trump supporters wearing makup, I'm sure there's hope for you too.




    I manifested that being false too. Lol.

    People hating on Prometheus is crazy

    Sorry it's not a Xeno movie, just low key one of the greatest sci Fi films ever and one that challenges religious narratives
    This isn't hating but I watched that film once (in the cinema I guess when it came out,) and genuinely don't remember any of the plot besides this terribly frustrating scene that made no sense:





    And not even because of 'the meme' I remembered how annoying the scene was for me and then found the meme I think many years later.


    It requires suspension of disbelief to think that the characters in that film have an intelligence level equivalent to a bunny rabbit:





    I loved Blade Runner though.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    Oh my friend told me about her. I thought her eye thing was very cyberpunk. Lots of sapphic women were very into her lol.


    Also lots of male art is very beautiful (this tweet is obviously nonsense lol,) though I don't care for like anime/manga hyper neoteny really myself but then I know she's been into that stuff before including Hentai art work which she said she liked. So I'm not sure what she could mean.


    I used to not be that into round glasses but they've grown on me to the point where I just think all related stuff is aesthetically cool now lol. Found this on tumblr the other day:





    Apparently gender swapped fanart of some characters from an anime called Trigun. I haven't seen it. Yeah Tumblr genderswaps everything/one lol.


    I can't participate...unless you're into Asian girls, they're very hard to distinguish. It's genuinely hard to know of she's a 7 or a 10 whereas with white girls I can pinpoint to the tenths or hundreths decimal point. I leave such questions to The Experts (software engineers).

    ...







    Changed my mind actually forgot how hot her Lisbeth was (Oh no I can't post the video I was watching here lol. Just realised there's nudity and sex haha. Well I had this revelation not watching any of the videos I've linked.) It's like when I put Tom Hiddleston's Loki into faceapp's genderswap filter and it was like discovering a new hot(ter) person haha (just cause it had been a while since I'd discovered Tom Hiddleston's Loki by that point so more desensitised you know?)





    and Kim Yeji is less hot to me though still kinda attractive. But I would say reasonably similar vibe etc.


    The number rating system is dumb though and especially while asking a woman who is literally posting about how she's not into the 'male gaze.'


    The fact I got suggested this video after watching the Lisbeth videos 🤣:





    it is so fascinating being an alt person in their 30s and seeing the conversations on tiktok/reels are the EXACT same stuff we were saying in my late teens on myspace lmao. time is a flat circle

    I think this is just always going to be common discourse because famous guys in bands (or whatever,) obviously choose to date conventionally attractive women often as they are famous and have that option. So alt girls who crush on them notice that and get jealous since they don't resemble that woman. Sometimes the conventionally attractive woman is also not alternative but dark femme though like Megan Fox.

    Is it more complex than how one looks
    Nah she's conventionally attractive lol and it's obviously important to him. Let's not bs.

    I do like that one of the women in the tiktoks also doesn't look alternative to me though and is closer in appearence to the aesthetic/attractiveness of his girlfriend lol. But she's joining in the convo with 'feminist analysis' anyway. Also I don't know who that guy is they're all talking about but lumping him in with the general metal crowd a la Children of Bodom (I just wanted to link a music track hahaha):





    Doesn't really make much sense no. I like to call a lot of metal straight camp actually (that's not an insult and I like a bunch of metal music. Actually the stuff I've linked isn't the best example of that though no corpse paint lol but there's still a theatrical kind of gendered performance vibe just in a masculine way basically.) Also though:






    Eluveitie are really great:



    I don't know if he's a musician and maybe makes metal music. (At this point I should really relisten to the video and just like check lol but the laziness.) I would suspect if he does make metal music it would be like metalcore or screamo kind of thing otherwise like scene, emo pop type stuff, that's stereotyping obviously. Still she lumped all alternative people together and started talking about metal.


    Johnnie Alan Guilbert (born: August 28, 1997 [age 27]) is an American YouTuber, musician, vlogger, and actor known for his self-titled channel where he posts videos and challenges on both YouTube and YouNow. He was also a huge part of the collab channel "My Digital Escape," which ended on May 14, 2016.
    OK I don't know.





    Yeah this is about what I would have imagined. If he made metal I would imagine it being like this:











    Bunch of clean vocals and so on.


    I think it's particuarly unfair to lump these guys together because he seems like someone a lot of metal heads would look down on and dislike because 'he has a mostly teen girl fanbase.' Some guys get very aggressive about it too. Not that those musicians can't be sexist and have all kinds of problematic behaviour/beliefs as well but yeah.


    You know like how everyone hated them (I think I disliked them initially but some of their songs are pretty OK):





    There's some ancient comment lol.


    I find people who look slightly unhinged, inexplicably attractive. So the lead singer here, is pretty hot. XD

    Didn't even remember that. I was never that into him lol. He looks like someone I would have been into but was never a major crush.


    10/10 comment though lmfao. Promising young adult. 'I find people who look mentally unstable attractive.' 🤣


    I think she has the wrong idea I hung out with this metrosexual guy (I dunno I guess sort of a hipster maybe but if I say that you'll picture the wrong aesthetic I think, like a fairly short nerdy skinny guy with glasses) during uni that I crushed on on/off and he'd sometimes do things like question why I was so masculine, complained I was boring to shop with, asked me to wear dresses etc. He was traditional in some ways too though. But a lot of guys who are less masculine actually want women to be less masculine than them I think. Then again I once saved him from a spider and he called me his hero and posted that on facebook so I dunno (and there were potentially other reasons he was doing the other stuff too but this isn't biography time.)


    (I'm not watching the whole video cause cba.)


    As an alt girl, I totally agree everything you're saying!!!! This argument is also so funny because the stereotype is directly mirrored by the "all alt girls date a golden retriever boy" stereotype. Plus!!!!! You don't have to look alt to be alt, subcultures are not cosmetic-based. How do you know the hyperfeminine woman isn't a metalhead??

    Never heard of that must be a new thing. Back in the day ime most alt girls were into alt guys. Emos and goths irl tended to pair up with each other a lot but honestly it leads to very incestuous dating scenes. Esp in the UK.


    Just rembered this lol:





    'Obsidian Blackbird Mcknight' 🤣


    The funny thing is his name is Vince Noir which is already pretty aesthetically goth sounding.


    Tbh people get super pissed over any preferences like (I just found this tweet but it's from 2022 and they did accurately predict F1nn going on estrogen I guess lol):


    this is the most reddit taste in androgyny. the left would never go out with you and isn't actually a domme and the right is a heterosexual man in breast forms that will be on 2mg oral estrogen once his twitch money dries out. grow up and stop pretending to be bisexual.



    I feel like people use 'reddit bisexual' (which has become a more common term over the past year,) in different ways and I still don't know if I'm a 'reddit bisexual' hahaha.


    But a lot of people are really pissed about it.


    I'm not into Karlach and I think she also counts.


    I think I'm more of a Tumblr bisexual lol. Oh I also don't call myself bisexual anyway. It's just the 'reddit bisexual' combination makes me lol.


    I mean I also like feminine women sexually. I get stuck in some kind of weird headache thing sometimes where I try to explain how the attraction feels different lol. I don't know. Sometimes romantically too I guess though?


    I get much stronger crushes on androgynous guys though either way.


    people throw reddit bisexual around a lot but one day we should understand that this is actually a tumblr bisexual. reddit bisexual is a guy who looks like vaush in a polycule.
    I totally get what you mean and that's exactly what I think about when I think of who a bisexual guy on reddit would be. But I feel like Tumblr bisexual is more like Geddy Lee and Paul Dano or even Loki + well just see 'Tumblr sexy men' lol there are different subtypes like the 'twink one' and the 'father figure/older guy' one etc. Then just genderswap all of the 'sexymen.' or vice versa + female characters like Olivia Octavius. And whatsername her for sure (I forget what show etc she's on here):



    I haven't watched it but I thought she was sort of hot in the new Sabrina show but only sometimes.

    I said before she looks hot in this gif but no idea why (she's just yelling lol. I don't have a thing for that in general):





    I feel like Ethel Cain fits + she's on Tumblr and she's bisexual:











    Of course it's not that limtied lol this is just one genre.


    It's also hard to know because of the way the site works unless you end up in certain hashtags/bubbles.


    F1nn is prob a bit more femme than the general preference of Tumblr though. Oh and also the important part is some kind of like eccentric, flamboyant and nerdy kind of vibe I think.. But the ratio of each can vary. Strange pointed out that they're often villains and/or morally ambiguous but that the various Doctor Who's aren't but that's because the nerdy, eccentric flamboyant thing is more important I think. Which most people's take on reddit bisexual doesn't include. Like Velma (from Scooby Doo,) would be tumblr bisexual. Daphne could be too but only in the sense that Velma/Daphne is a cute ship. Shaggy would also be tumblr bisexual I think.

    is shaggy from scooby-doo a tumblr sexyman
    I dunno that's what I'm trying to figure out.. I think so. I mean I'm not into him but has to be right?


    I think I found this before and forgot but there's a fucking wikipedia page for tumblr sexy men lmfao:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumblr_Sexyman


    Tumblr Sexymen are often depicted as skinny men in fan art, even in cases where the character is not originally human (such as Bill Cipher)

    Lol.


    In 2022, a tournament was held on Twitter to determine the most popular Tumblr Sexyman. The poll went viral, and received over 244,000 votes in total.[6] The poll ended on September 8, 2022, the same day as the death of Elizabeth II, leading to memes which associated the two events with each other.[7] In the final round of voting, Sans from Undertale had faced Arataka Reigen from Mob Psycho 100; Sans won the closely contested poll with 50.1% of the votes. Sans's win was followed by a massive influx of fan art and memes on both Twitter and Tumblr. In response to the event, Undertale creator Toby Fox wrote a fictional account which featured imagined details of Sans's victory.[8][9]
    Yeah I remember hearing about this. Pfft. Sans wasn't even the most attractive character in that fandom. Mettaton is.


    In January 2023, the rollout of a new polling feature allowed Tumblr to host its own Tumblr Sexyman competition, in which Cecil Gershwin Palmer of the Welcome to Night Vale podcast beat Sans to become the ultimate "Tumblr Tumblr Sexyman".[10][11]

    He looks a lot more like one. Well seeing as Tumblr probably created his visual appearence via fanart yeah lol. (I know Sans was really popular on Tumblr too but yeah.)


    IAMX would be Myspace bisexual I think lol:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe5rqVssQz4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__cWAsQxttw


    (I've taken this way too far. Mostly because a lot of his work was in the 2000s. And obviously like every emo as well but that's too obvious. Actually could be livejournal)


    This feels like livejournal. Mostly because I discovered his music from a gen x goth sims livejournal account:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ww9tOALquY


    Deviantart had a very specific type imo too. Sort of overlaps with tumblr but longer hair I think and more elves.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CppK9ZfE-cI


    ^ that's more Deviant art. And his Vulture video which I prob can't post here cause BDSM stuff I dunno.







    ^ Linda Bergkvist (who I also discovered through The Sims community because she made custom skin tones.)


    Deviantart really did help destroy my taste in men lol. Destroy because they don't look like this.


    I've thought about it and I think what twitter are calling reddit bisexual, at least in that image might be an instagram bisexual or even a twitter bisexual (the irony.)


    Holy [BEEP] ice spice is a Reddit bisexual


    I don't like her music but based I guess.


    Nicki has some bars in this track but that doesn't count:





    Oh and the time she collab'd with Radiohead of course (not real lol):


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkv-9oWpV6s


    This post has gone to many places.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    Talking about The Golden One (I was actually trying to get to contrapoints subreddit but instead ended up in some thread with people complaining about how she isn't funny now and talking about The Golden One):

    I had a housemate once who chased that exact build, no one knew what for, it kind of weirded people out and we got the sense he was shipping off to war but he wasn't forthcoming, remains a mystery

    As a straight dude who absolutely wants that build, I'm not really sure why I want it either, just looks cool. Emotionally I think it'd be appealing to women, but realistically I know that some regular women would probably find it bizarre.

    Oh boy don't fall into that trap. No it's just aesthetically appealing to straight men. Basically only some cis gay men find builds like that attractive.


    I'm still pretty damn skinny, but I know some guys who are approaching this look, or at least a lot closer than I am, and weirdly the grotesque-ness is part of the appeal for some of them. I knew a guy in college whose goal was specifically to get so yoked up that only hardcore lifter girls would think he was hot and normie women would find him vaguely gross. Not sure if he ever got there, or if the "former gymnast turned gym rat" types that he liked even prefer that body type, but he seemed very happy with his strange goal, hope it worked out for him. He did have great taste in women, ahead of his time that way.

    I think it’s some of the same mindset that drives women who are really into that weird 99th level makeup artistry stuff on youtube. Men don't care at all, or find it actively displeasing, but it's not really about men, it's about being this caricature of a sexy woman to flex on other women.

    Yes.


    Yeah you're right I didn't think about ladies bimbo maxxing more to stunt on each other than for the sake of men. I wondered if it was a type of tism that makes men hyperfocus on gains no matter what and they can no longer see it objectively. Still I think slimmer looks best.

    I have a bimbo kink and also a bunch of transformation/mindcontrol type stuff (which that overlaps with,) but it's more of a personality thing. I mean that's more important than the aesthetic. Like if guys start talking/acting that way it can be hot well in audio stuff anyway - if I found them physically attractive I assume it could be too. I do like the aesthetic elements too and have a bunch of clothing that I find hot though. It's not really what I find attractive outside of a kink setting though (and obviously people don't really act like this most of the time.)


    Most makeup YouTubers are infamous for being very drama driven and catty so I wouldn't think of them as bimbos even if they're very comitted to a hyper feminine aesthetic.

    Oh Mean Girls is a great example. Like a lot of women are trying to be Regina George but the 'bimbo' thing is more like Karen:





    A lot of that stuff falls into a kind of submissive/massochistic thing and it's also usually voyeuristic as well I guess. I mean I often don't self insert into what I'm reading/listening to maybe there's a pov I identify more with but I also don't have sex irl anyway. But then, recently I found something with a character like that who was topping with a strap on (a sparkly pink strap on which for some reason added to the hotness,) and kind of dominant but with the same friendly persona and it was still kind of hot so I guess it just kind of works either way to some extent.


    I actually think the equivalent though is how a lot of women are very into a kind of androgynous, thin, not curvy aesthetic, like super models then try to resemble that as much as possible - curiously this seems to transcend culture somewhat as Japanese manga by women and sometimes Korean manwha display the same thing:





    I think the one with black hair is the main character who is a woman.. Could be wrong though. (I haven't read this since I was a teenager either.) The other character is a guy.


    Bishojo ('beautiful girl') is often mistakenly considered a parallel of bishōnen, because of the similar construction of the terms. There are major differences between the two aesthetics. The bishojo aesthetic is aimed at a male audience, and is typically centered on young girls, drawn in a cute, pretty style; bishonen is aimed at a female audience, centered on teenage boys, and drawn elegantly. Another common mistake is assuming that the female characters in bishonen manga and anime are bishojo. In truth, female characters in bishonen manga are very different from those in bishojo; bishojo females are usually more petite and drawn in a style that is cute rather than beautiful, whereas bishonen females exhibit the long limbs and elegance of the bishonen themselves.[14]

    and most guys don't like that or at least don't find it as attractive as women do. Unless they're bisexual then a lot more seem into that.


    No idea why this is a thing... (the mismatch between aesthetic preference and what people find attractive.) Seems counterproductive from an evolutionary pov. Obviously some people are [BEEP] and that's why (and there are different beauty standards,) but like otherwise. Maybe appealing to hyper specific niches is adaptive sometimes? Dunno. The consistency is weird though.


    Well the hypermasculine aesthetic would be intimidating to other guys, which might be the point in that case.


    Now that I think about it both the hypermasc thing and the bimbo thing are associated with low intelligence for some reason lol. When taken to the absolute extreme anyway.


    Also going back to that guys quote:


    I'm still pretty damn skinny, but I know some guys who are approaching this look, or at least a lot closer than I am, and weirdly the grotesque-ness is part of the appeal for some of them. I knew a guy in college whose goal was specifically to get so yoked up that only hardcore lifter girls would think he was hot and normie women would find him vaguely gross.

    Yesterday I deleted a bunch of stuff from another post but I mentioned the brief phase where I was into the idea of people being turned into super mutants in my late teens. Like this someone was saying that if their kid came out as trans they'd inject them with testosterone (which I mentioned before, and pisses me off a lot but anyway):


    If its a boy
    Inject him either testosterone until his more manly than Hulk
    I guess some of these guys have a forced masc fetish. (This is sort of joking but also not, really a lot of political stuff is fetishistic but probably not this tweet.) Well, I had a very brief period where I was into the idea of turning people into Supermutants (Fallout 3,) but I feel like the low intelligence part has been more central over the years (bimbos too.) Also, there's the contagion aspect which fits into lots of people's fetishes and a general format a bunch of mine had (well more the idea of recruiting then literal contagion.)


    It was definitely set up that way:

    The first super mutants of this variety were created in 2078, becoming a permanent feature of the Capital Wasteland -- not intelligent enough to overrun it, but too powerful to die off.[Non-game 1] Their routine behavior included raiding to kidnap people for conversion with the EEP mutagen.[1]


    Their inability to reproduce (possibly bolstered by the FEV batch and/or human procreation instincts) led to an obsession with preserving their species. They attempt to capture live humans as often as possible, to infect them with FEV, or "green stuff," at Vault 87.[Non-game 1] However, by 2277, the mutants are running out of FEV and are desperately looking for a new source of the virus.[2]
    Common fear people seem to have.


    This began for me potentially when I was a child of about 5-7 and playing a game (with other kids irl,) where a bunch of kids were scientists capturing other kids and turning them into dinosaurs. It was very exciting seeing some girl get transformed. Or perhaps that's just a coincidence.


    I didn't actually know this before lol. I guess they were androgynous all along. Sneaky:


    When exposed, phenotypical changes occur within three days and include increased muscle mass, changes in skeletal structure and atrophy of all visible sexual characteristics, creating a uniform body shape devoid of genitalia or another sexual dimorphism.
    As Jreg said The Hulk is technically more trans:



    I feel like the idea of trying to become hideously ugly is playing into that. And probably the part where only 'hardcore lifter girls' will be into you is connected to corruption stuff too.

    Also regarding The Golden One specifically yes I think he is probably autistic or neurodivergent in some way. I got that impression watching a bunch of his videos. Very eccentric and larp-y too like the teddy bear (I dunno I'm not hunting around 'teddy' appeared in many videos but this one just comes up if I search):



    This isn't always the case but neurodivergent people often end up drifting towards cutesy stuff like that or animals, cartoon characters (anthropomorphisations.) He's also into Warhammer 40k and a bunch of nerdy stuff which correlates.


    But it's really just... The way he talks/acts etc that makes me think that. Like a general vibe thing.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    Nick Fuentes' fans can't handle what they dish out (sexual harassment.) Many such cases.


    They often have these cutesy femme avatars. I feel like I might have noticed before but can't remember.


    Some background context:


    "Your body, my choice" comments, along with fear after Trump's victory, have spurred interest in South Korea's 4B feminist movement, which calls on women to refuse to marry, have children, date, or have sex with men.

    They also like to imply women are into the [BEEP] they are saying.


    you've seen Nick Fuentes frantically trying to hide that he's getting doxxed but have you seen the reviews people are leaving on his address

    He actually got dox'd a while ago but the info has just resurfaced. People are leaving reviews on his house:


    OK I'll remove the screenshot. I absolutely hate having to be a slightly better person.


    Someone left a note saying 'public bathroom' though which made me lol.


    Tbh though if this is old info he's prob moved.


    The media has successfully divided families. Shame on all of you. This woman voted for Trump, and her family won't even talk to her. How are we here?


    [posts video of woman crying]

    Weren't you guys gloating about all the liberals posting videos crying about Trump getting in 5 minutes ago? Lol.


    This is heartbreaking My question is where's the dad to step up and talk some sense into this Grandma and mom and sister. I'm not surprised

    You guys really aren't getting it are you? But you will sooner or later.


    This video is genuinely sad by the way but at the same time the US is kind of in a cold civil war and the right wing men need to be put in their place.


    I can't stress enough how the media has done nothing (since I've paid attention to none of it basically,) and it's just Republicans and Trump fans posting themselves on social media imo.


    The plot continues and at least one person has turned up to his house now and posted about this. a "61 year old radfem" supposedly. Or feminist? I dunno people are using different labels. He evidently pepper sprayed her and kicked her down some stairs. I don't really feel bad for her because I don't really agree with her doing this, on the other hand I don't feel bad for him either because Mike Tyson has a point.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
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    Karma never Spun back this hard😭😭


    [some Korean video]
    Too much is happening here, lmao. I just watched 1 Korean dude go after 3 dudes at separate times. And each dude he went after, I have no clue why he did lmao.

    Yes I have no idea what that video was supposed to be showing lol...


    I don't know someone posted it in response to something about some YouTuber called Johnny Somali who I guess is one of those annoying people who like to go around and do dumb pranks but globally:


    Johnny Somali faces up to 7 years in jail in South Korea for using AI to create a deepfake video showing a Korean woman as his girlfriend.

    With additional charges, he could face a combined 17 years and is currently banned from leaving South Korea 👀
    His cellmate: "What you in for?"
    Him: "Pretending to have a girlfriend"

    🤣


    Apparently he's been going around to numerous countries but in South Korea they go around trying to hunt this guy:





    Some sources are saying he faces 29 years in prison.




    I can see this video is going to be eternal:





    "Oh I've finally stumbled on a tweet that's not about Americ- oh he's American again." 😑


    When that guy... Logan Paul? Filmed a dead body in Japan before they basically demonetised everyone's channel who didn't have a certain amount of views etc as some kind of weird side effect (despite remonetising his channel later, so basically a bunch of people were punished for what he did.) This led in part to the YouTube HQ shooting thing that happened. Was a whole thing. But they just let these channels do this absolute bs for ages while doing nothing.


    Ismael mostly streams himself on video streaming platforms such as YouTube and Kick as a tourist travelling in different countries, in particular Japan, Thailand and Israel.[6] He began streaming in May 2023. After being banned from Twitch, he moved to Kick before receiving temporary suspensions from Kick.[7] He was banned on Kick in May 2024 and unsuccessfully attempted to persuade Twitch into unbanning him. He currently streams on Rumble.[8]
    I can't tell if he's banned from YT or not.


    I don't know if as Aba and Preach said he's visiting East Asian countries because he thinks he'll get away with all this but it also seems like he went to Israel and has a pattern of sexually harassing women. I would not really underestimate even Japanese women though:


    Sukeban initially started small with petty acts of delinquency such as smoking in school bathrooms. However, the severity of their crimes and their numbers rapidly grew until organisations such as the Kanto Women Delinquent Alliance had 20,000 members involved in frequent acts of violence, substance abuse and shoplifting.
    This is an impressive level of organisation tbh for criminal women. 20,000 women. Don't think I've heard of this elsewhere.

    We'll start with gangs. Specifically, bizarre gangs. Mehul's Yakuza post was one of my favorites, but it turns out there is a much more terrifying group in Japan. Meet the Kanto Women Delinquent Alliance. This 20,000 person group was the largest Sukeban (translates to woman boss) gang Japan has ever seen. It started in the mid 60s, then peaked in the 70s. Their antics ranged from petty crime like shoplifting to full on brawls with other gangs. The women always carried chains and single-blade razors as their weapons of choice. [...] Japan has an interesting strategy to combat organized crime: they just let it roll. They think of gang activity as something that teens and young adults will outgrow/graduate from. Basically assuming it's a phase and will solve itself -- pretty coast move.

    What is unusual is that in the yakuza, women have no authority and there are almost no female members. That the female gangs even existed is an oddity in Japan's generally sexist male-dominated deviant culture... the world was about feminism and liberation, and perhaps they felt like women have the right to be just as stupid, promiscuous, risk-seeking, adrenaline junkies and violent as their male counterparts.[8]


    What people don't know is that there are Korean mafia members who are searching for him as well. What they plan to do is unknown, but I doubt it's like what the Japanese streamers did which was just make him apologize.
    South Korea, The Indian Mafia & The Yakuza are after Johnny Somali
    Lol.







    I dunno how legit this is I feel like they have better things to do, but I like the story so I'm running with it.


    Well he did call himself a sociopath. So maybe they all decided to get involved lol:


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    And the balance distorted
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    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
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    lol.
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    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    License has now expired. Online status when I do a check shows it as expired.

    Doctor says they filled the form in and sent it back a week ago. DvLA insist they have not seen it. Could apparently take two weeks, and then another month for them to come to a decision as to whether to reissue and how long. Why this is taking an age and a half. With the exception covid, never taken this long to get a new card before.

    Apparently I can drive under Section 88 of the road traffic act. Problem is I have no way of proving that. Enterprise Car Club are nagging me about the fact I need to give them the details of a new card as the one I have is expired and I currently don't have one.
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    What if everytime I do something weird I just post this video now? (Was suggested it yesterday lol.) Not really an excuse though. I just really like talking about stuff that relates to my interests. (Unfortunately the end of the post is just me falling into another weird rabbit hole and getting triggered again.)





    And I'm not diagnosed. Several years ago someone with a confusing job who was a therapist who ran a cafe??? And had an autistic 'patient' (?) (He had come in before and said hi to my dad which she said he never does,) told my dad that I should get assessed for autism when he started talking to her about me....

    I have a bunch of ADHD traits too though.


    (Also the stimming section applies the most not everything in the video. I actually do most of the stimming things mentioned regularly like skin picking, dancing and listening to the same music over and over and weirdly even moving my toes like mentioned. I also have mild trichotillomania where I pull out hairs with specific textures but that's been on/off since the age of about 10 or something, as well as fiddling with this one pen, and I sometimes pretend I'm smoking it for some weird reason lol.)


    Anyway being weird again:


    my platinum blonde hair now reaches my belly button.
    The original vision was for it to reach just past my shoulders so it rested on my chest,
    Interesting.


    For some reason I just so love it when I can see my hair, luscious waves of gorgeous color?

    I really feel sensual and beautiful now, [...]I wonder actually how long would be too long for my taste,

    Is he a guy? I mean I'm sure he said before at one point but now and then I just kind o-


    Yes, I'm a guy and that might look like too much, even on me,

    Lol the next sentence after I thought that? Wtf.


    Still feels surreal.


    I'm confused with a girl less than I usually am with short brown hair




    I am just a weirdo who likes hair lol.


    You know its weird I'm also growing my hair out very long atm as a challenge (still doing this yeah,) as I don't remember it being that long (its taking forever,) just down to my waist I decided, but I plan to cut it later. Also partly inspired by 1970s Geddy Lee obviously.





    I also thought since I'm meeting up with my friend sometime in December who I haven't seen in person since 2017 do I really want this to be the hair length I go with? (Since we only see each other once every several years lol on average?) So that's just going to be like the 'avatar' of me he has in his head lol. But I usually just put it up in a pony tail anyway.


    Its difficult because my aesthetic preference for androgyny (I have very feminine features,) and my gender identity conflict with having such long hair. Makes me feel like I must come across too femme. I dunno if I'd have it waist length though even if I had more masculine features probably chest length at most and the hair does get everywhere and it's just easier to wash etc when it's shorter so there are a bunch of advantages.

    I feel like there's no way for someone who looks like me to be attractive in an androgynous way either because of my bone structure which bothers me now and then.

    My face is just so round...

    I don't like having very short hair much either though.


    that brings me to an option I never thought I'd consider: earrings [..] It might sound ridiculous on a guy, [...] One might think it would look too girly,

    It's fine.


    if you have a huge cross or skull on them, like a lot of goth glam rocker types do, you won't be confused with a girl. But that's not really my style;
    I'm currently thinking I might like to explore some more angular earrings; angles are less girly and more manly,
    That vampire Sim has some cool angular ones. Whatshisname. Caleb? Yeah.

    Trying to find a decent image that shows the earring lol. I hate that word I always end up trying to spell it eearing which if of course wrong there are two r's not two ee's.

    I mean I could just open the game up and take a screenshot but lazy. I've sort of given up of finding a decent shot of the earing cause it's a weird one where it looks a lot thinner if you look straight on but the shape is very different if you look at a side view. They're pink too.

    THE GLOW UP SERIES: CALEB VATORE


    https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/the-glo...4148305341587/

    Oh my Gosh what did you do to poor Caleb?


    That's not even Caleb anymore the only thing kept the same is his eye color 💀
    I know!

    are you sure this was a caleb edit and not a don lothario edit
    Yes! He looks way more like Don lol. Would make more sense for Don.

    Caleb tiene un estilo bastante definido, su modificacion lo convirtio en alguien totalmente irreconocible, no tiene escencia a Caleb y al modificar un sim ya creado pienso que no tiene mucho sentido que quede irreconocible y pierda su escencia. Hubiera sido mas facil crearlo desde 0 con otra identidad acorde...
    I like how there are comments in several languages lol.

    beetlejuice if he took the cishet alpha male potion
    I'm dying. Morgyn Ember will not be impressed.

    ...I think feather earrings are nice.


    I think he's thinking of metallic inverted triangle ones maybe in pink (which actually sort of sounds like Caleb's earings actually,) and wants his whole wardrobe to be metallic and bright colours. Not 'drab colours.' That can look good, but sometimes subtle colours look good too I think.

    I look more like an elite who doesn't need one,
    I wish I could stumble on some other blogs with people who are less status obsessed and competitive but like cute. Also eloquent etc.

    I also want to find more cute guy stuff to balance out all the masculine, disagreeable right wing American men on twitter (like a balanced diet hahaha,) but it is hard unfortunately.

    I am gradually collecting examples now conciously but so far only two quotes and one is just a quote from a book (not the internet,) by Steven Wilson.

    Would be good to find cute Americans too though (Steven is also English,) and not just European guys (like even all the femboys on social media I can think of are European incl. from the UK,) as that is another balancing issue.

    I mean sure they pop up in audioporn/romance type stuff, but lately I've been listening to more stuff with women anyway so.

    or, perhaps more to the point, like an escort. I look expensive. [...] with a high-end Dutch escort I just blended in,
    Hmm. 🤭 So fascinating. Does he know?


    (I mean he was seeing an escort before and now is talking about himself like that. Common phenomenon.)


    I want to ooze "look at me, look at me, look at me".
    Yes, I had noticed.

    The changes so far just make me look cuter, almost adorable;
    Oh.. cuteness is mostly a vibe. I don't know if he's going for that or not. He brings it up now and then.


    Like this vibe (its accidental):


    "...she hides my robe and leaves her dresses but it's getting colder and I can't find my robe..."

    Is this robe the only item of clothing you possess?
    im very neat and tidy and put all my clothes away immediately
    That is adorable. Say more things.

    10 reasons I'm not macho, cool, or a 'rock star'

    1. I don't drink beer, wine, spirits, or much in the way of alcohol at all.
    2. Every morning I go out to feed two squirrels that visit our garden, whom I have named Augustus and Gloop, on a mini squirrel picnic table that I ordered on the internet.
    3. I know nothing about cars. My car is black and gets me from A to B, that's about all I know.
    4. I file my records alphabetically and then chronlogically within each artist.
    5. I've never smoked or snorted a line in my life.
    6. I'm a neat freak and frequently go litter picking in our street (litter drives me nuts.)
    7. I won't eat animals or fish.
    8. I prefer cookies and (non-dairy) milk.
    9. I always end up in tears when I watch the movie Love Actually.
    10. I love to make lists. On my 'things to do' list today, one of the entries is 'finish "lists" chapter.'

    Somewhat subjective too obviously.


    people wanted to recruit me into the school football club as a kid), but somehow there's enough boyish youth in me even at 30 to make me seem not-so-threatening.

    You think based on appearance? Vibe is important too though.


    I've noticed only surprisingly recently that I've actually got pretty big eyes compared to most people (also, every single person I so much as befriend has doe eyes too).
    That's an... Interesting thing to note lol.


    Especially if you're going as much for a different look as you are just making yourself prettier, as I would be with my doll-like makeover.
    How is he not noticing?

    It certainly does accentuate my doll-like appearance,
    Doll-like football player? 🤔

    people think of it as just a feminine thing, but go to the TV set and you'll see
    Makeup isn't feminine on its own but-

    I experimented with some lipstick and blush, and once again pink looks really good on me,
    for my doll-like makeover might be a new hairstyle: pigtails. Tied together with big pink bows. Now, especially on a guy, maybe that's too much,
    OK I swear it just seems like he's doing this on purpose.

    I suspect to make me look like "OMG he's going trans!" you'd have to go full drag queen.
    my body just oozes it all in [...] looking even better than 99% of people could ever hope to.
    See this is what I mean cuteness isn't a look you can just affect. It's ideally accidental and rabbit-like (bragging isn't cute either.) Also more behavioural.


    Like this thing he posted before was kind of cute:


    Not sure what I was thinking with a cutesy girly parchment map of outer-space destinations at constant acceleration, but hey, isn't this a vibe we could use a lot more of?

    He started talking about steroids and muscle stuff after this and I zoned out reading that.


    If I kept it up for the long haul I could probably be a bodybuilder if I wanted to: [...] I've got handsome features to begin with, and I may well have aesthetically pleasing muscle shape [...] But bodybuilding has never been my strongest interest, nor do I care for the Mr. Olympia physique;
    To date I've gotten more conservative treatments that emphasize a more natural look, but I think pushing it a bit into the territory where it looks like I've gotten stuff done might actually look good on me:

    He's saying he wants to look somewhat like reality TV stars but maybe not quite as plastic.


    I have a pretty strong opinion/preference lol. About both those extremes.


    Oh my God he's doing or planning to do so much with his appearence. Like all these treatments etc. I wonder if it will ever be enough (for some people it isn't.)





    I look a lot more like an expensive escort than anyone who would have a normal job. Maybe that's where my strength lies? It certainly sounds a lot more fun.
    Is this a glorified advert haha?


    I need to be pretty. I need to be slimmed down
    so I'm picture-perfect from every angle.

    I feel kind of bad for him (and others like this,) sometimes.


    I don't know. When I started reading his site last February and later noticed his interests (in others) I thought if you squint you can imagine he's talking about himself (and plus some other stuff he said,) and I wanted more of that.

    Weirdly (but perhaps not,) that's sort of happened now. Which is cool because I like to pretend I have the power to manifest stuff with my mind. But, with the performative aspect of it and concern about status seeking and so on, its not really the same I think.

    The same as just being feminine and/or cute and enjoying that.

    I wonder why?

    like all predatory males theyre horny for insecurity and docility

    Maybe you're right random trans woman from social media.


    (She was not talking specifically about me lol. Actually she was talking about terfs based on radfemhitler who is more of a femcel and a huge troll, but yeah.)


    She follows this idiosyncratic logic:


    theyfabs want to have the social position twinkhons occupy. maybe they wish they were hunter schafer really. they wanna be taboo and interesting and edgy. terfs all wish they were male bc theyre ftm reppers. gay males are just midwit males who couldnt into gender as a construct

    No Hunter Schafer passes too well/too binary female identified. Like I get being attracted to trans women sometimes but I don't want to be one in some literal sense. I see myself as bigender so.


    She says a lot of different things though lol. About everything. Mostly shitposting I think.


    terfs have gotta be my least favorite ftm subculture

    lol.


    Also she posted this before which is ironic (for reasons I'll quote after this):

    i mean honestly, all tr**ns have something that straight terfs will never find in a male partner: gynephilia

    but i guess gay boys and eggs need beards

    (yeah I fell down a whole rabbit hole again)





    you people can be so dense. stop trying to kill [name] for her observations, instead examine why your gut reaction is to yell at another trans lesbian for saying "there are lots of unhappy self hating trans women who want to be with men but choose to be with lesbians"

    there isnt anything lesbophobic about saying dysphoric trans women sometimes choose t4t because they believe themselves unworthy of heterosexual men. there is a lot of willful ignorance and idealistic naiveite in saying that this never happens and cant happen

    does it suck? yes absolutely. does it happen, yes. stop denying [BEEP] on hair trigger reactions because it makes you uncomfortable, this is why people get socially killed off hot allostatic load style over nothing
    Yeah. Don't socially murder women for takes even if you think they're shit.🧡
    Well sure this is probably true in a bunch of cases.


    Then saw this:

    why are you lying
    Oh the above person has posted a screenshot of this other trans woman's tweets in response. Lets see what the tweets people are discussing were:

    The dirty secret in trans women spaces is that like half of the lesbians are that way due to alienation and fear rather than sexual preference (bed death is insane)

    If some guy walked up and was misogynistic in a flirting + affirming way they would instantly fall in love.

    OK. Obviously this is sometimes true. I find it gross when people say things like this though because I'm allergic to phallocentrism (as I've said a bunch of times lol,) also several other issues I have, so I can see why some people would get annoyed.


    if said guy made a "Your body, my choice, my property. Forever." comment they would instantly become a housewife and probably vote Republican for the rest of their life btw.

    Nope sorry too soon. And Nick Fuentes is clearly supposed to be a catboy twink anyways. Mind closed. Also going to war with (those) cis men brb.


    Oh wait I'm already at war with right wing social media cis men for several reasons. That's convinient.


    a trans woman can't replace a man ...

    why are they attracted to men if that's how they see men

    they can be t4t and have a man by finding a trans man that's also an option
    Ah yes. The 5 trans women on twitter who seem to do that lol.


    So wondering what people are responding to that (also she didn't screenshot the entire conversation. I feel like the OP also phrased that in the worst possible way imagineable and then pikachu faced later):


    I should be clear since one extremely annoying person took the most bad faith interpretation possible, I do not think that lesbians do not exist, I'm essentially describing a weird inverted form of comphet where straight/bi-learning-male-pref tgirls are driven to other girls

    One reason this bothers people is some people do the opposite (eg: compet for a woman,) so they date guys to be 'valid,' feel feminine etc when they're not into them. You're describing comphet for a gay guy which I guess trans women could have.


    attention: the dumbest people you know are interpreting these two tweets hammered out in 5 secs for an audience of 100 specific people as *positive support of thing discussed* when it is actually *negative* and repeatedly described as such

    or, in summary, maybe go read some basic feminist literature about how society conditions women to the degree that some become servile and complicit in upholding patriarchal norms and structures.

    "wtf you support fuentes and corrective rape????!?!?!"

    i literally said later in the thread that some girls have such low self worth induced in them by the oppressive structures in society that they would experience rapture over a guy giving them an onion ring
    I can't see the rest of the thread it just ends after that tweet??? Is there another thread?

    if this post blows up and all the girlies see this, I just wanna let you know that examining these things is a net positive instead of letting this fester and that us all getting better is orthogonal to the cancel culture weaponization of language that has haunted our spaces
    And here we go with the therapy speak...
    I would go to prison for my respomse to that actually

    that's a good thing, but there are a notable number of people with their egos so annihilated by pervasive transphobia and misogyny that they would cave for any scrap of attention

    My friend who's like super duper into men (somehow) would probably fucking kill that guy before hanging with him for one more second, THIS is just projection.
    Seems believable because I have the same instinct despite also being into men lol.


    this is a delightfully terrible take and I think you need to be honest with yourself about your kinks

    Consider reading further on, despite what the bad faith crowd thinks this is not being portrayed as a positive but rather a distinct negative.

    To the girlies, gays, and thems
    I introduce you to a police magnum mini pepper spray that comes with a pink knife
    The spray itself dyes the men with a color so police can identify your attacker, you can even buy a glow in the dark one too 🥰

    That knife is literal garbage

    Lol'd it looks [BEEP] practically speaking yeah.


    So not only do you think we all want men??? you think we all want violent misogynistic rapey men???? what the [BEEP] is your actual problem?????

    there are def bi trans women who avoid men out of fear, but i dont think the thing to say about that is "if trans women were just harassed a little more they'd vote republican."
    That's how it came across to me. She says she didn't mean it that way but it wasn't clear. And the rest of the thread she was talking about I can't find.


    This is literally what Jesse Watters believes about lib women btw. "Marry them and they become republican"

    I know. It's why it makes me want to invent a word that is like 'throwing up and committing violence' simultaneously for such moments, since I get this as a non-binary person as well. They do this with trans masc people, and obviously cis women.


    It bothers me on a personal level but also a competitive level. Which is now why I just fantasise about cucking these guys from time to time (not as a sexual thing.)


    Yeah anyway some people are agreeing with her and lots of people are taking it very badly. Some people should prob speak for themselves.


    shove a synthetic lab grown womb into a trans woman and marry her off to a slightly misogynistic yet affirming man and I can guarantee you that the TFR in the United States would spike to preindustrial levels lmao


    the BDSM to NRx pipeline

    Someone else posted this:


    Cis girls who do the whole conflicted sapphic yearning "I'm no better than a man 😔" thing over a transgender baddie >>>

    I'm not actually. Also non-binary tho. Unless that guy is a right wing American man in which case regardless I need- I think I've made that clear lol.


    You know the Steve Hughes standup where he's like talking about his homophobic friends reaction to gay guys? That's me but with those guys specifically:



    "I don't like them."
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    This is a lot of text - but you should care for the vibe. Look into the eyes. Her eyes, looking at him. Men feel like they've lost something -- and they have. Met a girl (recently (in SF(!!!!!))) that is just reflexively sweet and kind. How women """are supposed to be""", now I'm not saying women "have" to be like that, but I am saying I *would* go to war for her and for women like her - uncynic, earnest, sweet - to get to keep existing and *it's not even sexual*. I feel like this kind of "trad" woman is what men are trying to refer to - in a very haphazard way - it's not about cooking or cleaning or whatever the fuck. It's about being earnestly and openly and vulnerably loving, especially in a context where w everyone is irony poisoned. Men want to be champions for women but they need them to look at you with those eyes. Cheerio.


    I get it, but I'd rather stab myself than be that person. Also the whole bit about war is a huge turn off to boot and no incentive whatsoever.


    What I'm saying is men will GO TO WAR for this. listen, LISTEN!!

    Why
    are you saying it?


    Women do that when they're in love. Something happened to womens' brains in the past century and now most women are unable to love.

    I think they are performing less and the image posted is a painting likely painted with staged models told what expressions to pull - ironically.


    Seems weird to make this a public policy preference. If it's politically imposed how can the love be sincere?
    Of course it wouldn't be. It's an insane take to make coming from desperation I think.


    there's a masculine version of this too incidentally

    figure it out






    Not the answer he was looking for I imagine. At least these are expressions an actual guy pulled once lol. Instead of a painting that actually may or may not be AI generated too. Oh dear god it gets more bleak.

    Just horrified that this appears to be someone is a seventh pregnancy after 3 sets of twins very close together.
    Look at the length of the child behind the dad and count the fingers on the mom?s hands.
    This photo makes me want to vomit
    THAT'S what your take away is from this photo? 🤔
    Wow really? I mean it's not immediately obviously AI but it is immediately obviously in the style of a painting lol..... Why do so many people think it's a photo?

    I know they photoshop people to 'remove flaws' but really? You think this is a photo?


    Someone linked this:





    Do you guys have to make everything about war and [BEEP]? I mean granted I said I'm at war with right wing men on twitter but that's because I have emotional dysregulation issues.


    There are no masculine versions of anything in SF

    Hilarious. 0/10
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    I've seen two people's lives ruined today for being assholes/edgy online or an attempt at that anyway. There was a teen girl on some video chat app who got posted around using the n word. I doubt much will happen. Though her reaction was interesting. When she realised the guy she was talking to was livestreaming she started screaming and clearly realised the gravity of the situation.

    This other guy sent some guy a bunch of homophobic and transphobic stuff on instagram so he got him fired from his job. A lot of people are pointing out stuff in each of these cases like 'you're a psychopath' and well yes (on the spectrum anyway I would say,) and I wouldn't do this myself, but you'd never say the stuff you're saying in real life and you should think about why that is.


    this man had his full government name AND job in his bio and decided to talk crazy to me on instagram at 5am and already lost his job before 9am lmaoooo

    you trumpy mfrs need to worry less about immigrants taking your job away, i'll do it first.

    Supper low to go after a man's job just because you don't understand your own body!! Talking [BEEP] on the internet is one thing taking the way that man takes care of his family is low. What if his wife is sick and they have kids now you have a starving family!
    Vicious, violent, intolerant left?.

    He lost his job. That might not bother you, but this man has family that love him.
    Forget about politics. Where?s your humanity???
    i think you are mistaking me for someone who give a fuuuuuck lmao

    The "fuck your feelings" crowd sure has a lot of feelings about this post.

    womp womp

    I have to say building a political party around pissing people off and implying they're weak for reacting to you over and over again like the US right has been doing has not been a great move.


    You'd never say the stuff he said to some random stranger irl because they might kill you.


    Although... This is a quote from Andrew Tate's origin story (to show what can happen when you do this irl):


    "He had this American accent," the friend continues. "And everyone would take the absolute piss out of him all the time. He always used to say 'Oh my god!' in a really strong accent and everyone would go for him." Then, after a few months, a boy started to tease Tate in science class -- and he flipped. "I remember Andrew giving him a few punches to the face," the friend tells me. "Everyone was like 'Fucking hell! Andrew has lost it!' After that, Andrew started to behave like a different person. He became a rebel and that made a bit of a cred for him." Another classmate describes how he remembers Tate swearing at a teacher. "He knew that was how you get respected," he says. "That's when the change started. If you can talk the talk and walk the walk, that's when success comes."
    I believe that is how we got into this situation en masse.


    In this case it was someone with this temperament instead I think (I have a feeling he doesn't tend to start shit, but if you attack some group he cares about or himself then he'll seek revenge in a non-violent manner but I don't know this person so I could be wrong there are both dark triad and dark empaths on the left but definitely an abundance of the latter and it's more common soooo):


    https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/dark...x=1647617663-1


    We asked almost 1,000 people to complete assessments, based on questionnaires, on the dark triad and empathy. We then used a method called latent profile analysis that allows you to establish clusters of people with different profiles of certain trait combinations.

    As expected, we found a traditional dark triad group with low scores in empathy (about 13% of the sample). We also found a group with lower to average levels across all traits (about 34% were "typicals") and a group with low dark traits and high levels of empathy (about 33% were "empaths"). However, the fourth group of people, the "dark empaths", was evident. They had higher scores on both dark traits and empathy (about 20% of our sample). Interestingly, this latter group scored higher on both cognitive and affective empathy than the "dark triad" and "typical" groups.

    We then characterised these groups based on measures of aggression, general personality, psychological vulnerability and wellbeing. The dark empaths were not as aggressive as the traditional dark triad group - suggesting the latter are likely more dangerous. Nevertheless, the dark empaths were more aggressive than typicals and empaths, at least on a measure of indirect aggression - that is, hurting or manipulating people through social exclusion, malicious humour and guilt-induction. Thus, although the presence of empathy was limiting their level of aggression, it was not eliminating it completely.


    In line with this notion, empaths were the most "agreeable" (a personality trait showing how nice or friendly you are), followed by typicals, then dark empaths, and last dark triads. Interestingly, dark empaths were more extroverted than the rest, a trait reflecting the tendency to be sociable, lively and active. Thus, the presence of empathy appears to encourage an enjoyment of being or interacting with people. But it may potentially also be motivated by a desire to dominate them.

    Moreover, dark empaths were a little higher in neuroticism, a type of negative thinking, but did not score higher on depression, anxiety or stress. Instead, their neuroticism may reflect sub-traits such as anger, hostility or self-doubt. Indeed, the dark empaths reported judging themselves more harshly than those with dark triad personalities. So it seems they may have a conscience, perhaps even disliking their dark side. Alternatively, their negative emotions may be a response to their self-loathing.

    Eg: making you lose your job. It's the extreme end of that but I think still counts.

    Hidden dangers

    Though the aggression reported by the dark empaths was not as high as the traditional dark triad group, the danger of this personality profile is that their empathy, and likely resulting social skills, make their darkness harder to spot. We believe that dark empaths have the capacity to be callous and ruthless, but are able to limit such aggression.

    It is worth noting, however, that those clinically diagnosed with an antisocial personality disorder (often showing excessive levels of dark traits), most certainly lack empathy and are dangerous predators - and many of them are in prison. Our research is looking at people in the general population who have elevated levels of dark personality traits, rather than personality disorders.

    We are continuing our quest to find out more about the characteristics of the dark empaths in relation to other psychological outcomes. For example, we are interested in their risk taking, impulsivity or physically aggressive behaviour. We also want to understand how they process emotions or facial expressions, or how they perceive and react to threats.

    If you add the combined dark triad and dark empath score together (33%) Approximately this percentage of the population won't let you get away with what you're doing one way or the other.

    This scene is sort of like someone with NPD (would fall into the dark triad group,) vs someone with that personality I think:



    I've seen it suggested and I do imagine that group would be particularly good at espionage.




    Now I'm just posting Black Widow clips.


    This is an interesting reflection of their characters too:




    Jasper Sitwell: I was throwing up, I get seasick. [Steve forces Sitwell to the edge of the rooftop, Sitwell just smiles] Is this little display meant to insinuate that you're gonna throw me off the roof? Because it's really not your style, Rogers.

    Steve Rogers: You're right. It's not. It's hers.

    [Steve steps aside and Natasha kicks Sitwell off the roof. He plummets down, screaming.]

    Natasha Romanoff: Oh, wait. What about that girl from accounting, Laura...?
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    OK you win. I'm 100% a cis woman now lol.


    edit: Basically until about half way through this post I didn't realise ratsmacker was just their username which made this whole thing more hilarious and surreal btw.


    I dunno I'd say he means well but it also just seems like trolling anyway lol.


    I love bisexual culture. No where else would you see such a cool idea. It seems way more chill than being a lesbian which is v stressful.
    This aint it. (Also a weird time to vent that lol.)


    I mean it's hilarious but cringing so hard lol.





    It's not terrifying just painful.


    It's so.... You know what it it is. Like yeah:


    >"i dated mostly women or trans women"
    >tguy isn't masc

    someone save that tboy, oh my god.

    He doesn't know how to flirt with guys.


    In fairness I'm realising he said he doesn't know how to talk to guys and that def comes across. It's so sexless to me lol.


    I can't even give him any advice because I think trans women are the only people who have any 'rizz' these days. I certainly don't lol.


    This worked:


    No matter how good you are at [redacted] it's still not like you can really breed me. That must be so frustrating for you huh miss? I bet you want to breed me so badly but you just can't. Wait- where are you going? You can't just take a nap. Miss. Yeah you won't be able to breed me but you're just not even going to try? No I don't want to be bred not that I could be anyway I just thought you wanted to. You need me to beg? Why would I beg?


    There were lots of bread puns too. It's important to know.


    It was from something that was aimed at women but whatever. I can't listen to stuff with a trans guy intended as the 'listener' it's often either cringe in various ways or something. Often the trans guy is submissive etc too. Stuff with a non-binary listener barely exists and is always going to be awkward and fit a kind of archetype that doesn't work for me I think. But it doesn't really exist either so I have no idea. I have various hangups etc I won't go into anyway.


    Oh wait that's his username OK. That makes so much more sense. I was like what is the rat thing about?

    i'm a transgirl but if someone called me big dog i'd probably cum a little

    why do I follow you...
    😔

    as a trans dude I'd kill to be introduced to someone like this. being part of "the boys" even in a date setting would be so euphoric lowkey

    I guess I just don't get it.


    This guy is more trans masc than I am

    Weird plot twist:




    (someone was posting that in response to people's tweets.)


    Even better then just do the thing I quoted. Oh wait not with him though lol. Both cause that'd be a weird thing to do on most first dates and also the female stuff. You can change the language obviously. It also doesn't trigger dysphoria for me but I imagine it would with some trans guys OK taking this too seriously wasn't that serious in the first place. Just hot thing.


    I found the reddit thread lol. (Whatever post that screenshot was in response to has been deleted.)


    I'm sorry, is this supposed to be a date, or are you going to be throwing a football?
    I've never gone on a serious date with a man, i don't know the proper ettiquete
    That's kind of cuter since she came out as trans. Probably still a troll lol.

    i have also dated nonbinary people and one man. i simply can't find any quality men

    If you really want to call him something other than his name, try saying "hi handsome."

    This is such a good one! Thank you!!

    Why didn't that occur before lol?


    Are you trying to be bros or to date?
    Are you kidding me? YOU ARE A MAN! How would you like the person you're dating to greet you? That's your answer. You might be a unicorn, but I have never 'dapped (?) up(?!?)' a guy and called him big dog unless I was trying to make sure he never considered me in a romantic or sexual way, ever.
    Evidently not.


    Also dapped up is funny too. Hah gen z (or whatever gen we are on now.) Well OP is 24 so yeah that's gen z.


    People thinks it's a joke but I have call a lot of people big dog. It's basically another way of saying hey bro or hey boss, tbh I think you should be fine
    No like it wouldn't be that weird platonically.

    A lot of trans women are annoyed about this I think:


    "women or trans women" kek 😭 i hate bisexuals

    Honey. Nooo. You say something like "hi -name-, it's so good to meet you!"
    thats a bit gay don't you think?
    Got to be trolling.


    You are a bit gay don't you think?


    I dunno some people apparently like being called that but it's not for me lol.


    It's not a troll, why does everyone think this is a troll LMAO i'm just autistic and horny

    Well-


    Probably because you're a man asking advice on how to greet your date, who is also a man, and in one of your comments you responded with it being a bit gay to greet him by his name lol

    My thoughts exactly. Then they came out as a trans woman in a post despite saying they were male in OP and it's reddit so even if you're closeted irl what was the point?

    Life use to be so simple...
    Genuinely... Why is the first trans man you've gone for one who "doesn't pass" according to you? Why the othering language about trans women and cis women? Why trying so hard? It sounds infaltalizing.

    To the trans men saying you'd easily jump into this guy's bed if he gendered you right one time, get better standards. You're better than that, and even if this guy doesn't have malicious intent I can tell you from experience guys who act like him often do. They think you're easy, and don't see you as men. They go for you cus they think you're an easy "woman" who he can bro around with, skip to the sex with, will prod at you if your transition ever gets too masculine for their interests, and cus they failed to get trans women who tend to be a little more aware of chaser behaviour. There's a reason these men go for trans and cis women and exclusively early transition trans men. Idk why it's a trend with trans masc chasers to act this way, but be more aware. It's so common, and it can get dangerous. You don't deserve this. He shouldn't have to consciously think of gendering you right and he shouldn't be viewing the act of doing so equivalent to flirting.

    I mean it's up to them. There's a bunch of trans guys who are into people saying anything masculine + male coded to them even if it comes off that way and no matter how sincere it is. I'm non-binary anyway so I'm not necessarily into that.


    But you're not wrong as a general rule not that it matters I guess if you just want sex.


    Also seems like they broke up with their girlfriend recently and much more poetic about that:


    I recently broke up with someone very special. I didn't notice it then, but I now see she slowly turned me into a very affectionate person, very slowly, so slowly, like the way trees grow, like the way rivers carve paths through boulders, the way the sunlight warms up your skin.

    I find myself constantly trying to not bother my friends and family with poetry or letters or hugs or compliments.

    I have all this love, this absurdly heavy thing on my chest with no right place in the universe.

    I have so much love and nowhere to place it.

    And the most shameful part about this is that I'm afraid to give it to myself, because I don't feel like I deserve it.


    Oh no I'm dying:


    This is so beautifully written 🥺❤️ If your poetry is anything like your writing here, you should be submitting it to be published! I think you should lean in and mine that vein, write and revise and rewrite and write some more. Seeing your words as worthy of your own attention and even others? is such a valuable experience for developing positive self-worth. Plus, it?s fun! It lights up a competitive side in me I find very motivating.

    I am being completely genuine here: you should write a poem about going on a date with a trans man for the first time, and wondering whether or not it's okay to call him "big dog." I could see it being both very funny and very moving. It shows so much openness and sense of humor on your part, and it paints a very interesting portrait of sexuality/romance in 2024. When you write a draft let me know!!

    I'M DEADDDDDDD 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭


    I'm serious!!!! 😂😂

    At least they find it funny I guess.


    What's even better is their account is 'queen of mice' lol.


    I would actually watch a TV show about this person lol.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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    Honestly the culture right now in the West is just fascinating to me. Like I wouldn't have believed 15 years ago that a major online debate subject in 2024 would be this:

    If you have a history of posting in r/antinatalism or of posting antinatalist content you are not welcome.

    The purpose of this sub is to encourage and discuss pro-natalism, NOT to debate pro-natalism - if you wish to engage in debate, consider visiting r/BirthVsAntiBirth.

    [...]

    If you have a history of posting in r/antinatalism or of posting antinatalist content you are not welcome.

    This also applies to r/childfree, and r/nihilism.

    Also r/TheHandmaidsTale
    I'm not pronatalist either and I think its a bit weird/confusing that they've called their subreddit 'natalist' instead of pronatalist.

    I just created a new subreddit called*r/pronatalist. Content that is not pro-natalist and especially anti-natalist content is not allowed, and anyone attempting to debate natalism will be banned.
    More confusing.


    Having listened to pronatalists I realised it was basically a eugenics movement with the most insufferable elitist, privileged people imaginable involved who look down on others - that weird couple whose names I always forget Martin and whatever? Oh Malcolm and Simone right. Edward Dutton. Elon Musk. That evo-psych guy Geoffrey Miller.

    I'm not antinatalist either though. I suspect both attract disagreeable people with psychopathic traits esp at extremes (we already know from research that's true with antinatalism.)

    Lol today in Western culture:

    "Should Humans go extinct or alternatively should genetic elites have more kids?"

    Of course this seems to be a tangential spin off to the gender war too.

    How ironic that people here are calling it an echo chamber, are they even familiar with the anti-Natalist sub? And pro-natalism isn't the belief that women are just baby machines it is that having a child is morally good. Just like how donating to charity is good but isn?t a necessity to be moral, it is that but for having children
    Yeah I don't believe that.

    I also think that having kids is becoming a blue vs red tribe thing in the US now and it will be interesting to see how that pans out. I think it will decrease the birth rate somewhat. Or is already I suppose.

    This is very out of date but a good basic summary of the tribes as they were when this was written in the early 2010s. The tribes still exist but almost anything is polarised:

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/3...-the-outgroup/

    If I had to define "tolerance" it would be something like "respect and kindness toward members of an outgroup".

    And today we have an almost unprecedented situation.

    We have a lot of people - like the Emperor - boasting of being able to tolerate everyone from every outgroup they can imagine, loving the outgroup, writing long paeans to how great the outgroup is, staying up at night fretting that somebody else might not like the outgroup enough.

    This is really surprising. It?s a total reversal of everything we know about human psychology up to this point. No one did any genetic engineering. No one passed out weird glowing pills in the public schools. And yet suddenly we get an entire group of people who conspicuously promote and defend their outgroups, the outer the better.

    What is going on here?

    Let's start by asking what exactly an outgroup is.

    There?s a very boring sense in which, assuming the Emperor?s straight, gays are part of his ?outgroup? ie a group that he is not a member of. But if the Emperor has curly hair, are straight-haired people part of his outgroup? If the Emperor's name starts with the letter "A", are people whose names start with the letter ?B? part of his outgroup?

    Nah. I would differentiate between multiple different meanings of outgroup, where one is "a group you are not a part of" and the other is... Something stronger.
    If you're wondering if knowledge of this helps btw it doesn't much ime. Prob depends more on personality.

    This is important to note because Republicans are claiming to be more tolerant for 'not disowning or excluding democrats' right now but Democrats have never actually been their outgroup:

    The outgroup of the Red Tribe is occasionally blacks and gays and Muslims, more often the Blue Tribe.

    [B]The blue Tribe has performed some kind of very impressive act of alchemy, and transmuted all [/B ]of its outgroup hatred to the Red Tribe.
    Lol bolded is one of my favourite parts.

    When a friend of mine heard Eich got fired, she didn't see anything wrong with it. "I can tolerate anything except intolerance," she said.

    "Intolerance" is starting to look like another one of those words like "white" and "American".

    "I can tolerate anything except the outgroup." Doesn't sound quite so noble now, does it?

    There are certain theories of dark matter where it barely interacts with the regular world at all, such that we could have a dark matter planet exactly co-incident with Earth and never know. Maybe dark matter people are walking all around us and through us, maybe my house is in the Times Square of a great dark matter city, maybe a few meters away from me a dark matter blogger is writing on his dark matter computer about how weird it would be if there was a light matter person he couldn?t see right next to him.

    This is sort of how I feel about conservatives.

    I don't mean the sort of light-matter conservatives who go around complaining about Big Government and occasionally voting for Romney. I see those guys all the time. What I mean is ? well, take creationists. According to Gallup polls, about 46% of Americans are creationists. Not just in the sense of believing God helped guide evolution. I mean they think evolution is a vile atheist lie and God created humans exactly as they exist right now. That?s half the country.

    And I don?t have a*single one of those people*in my social circle. It's not because I?m deliberately avoiding them; I?m pretty live-and-let-live politically, I wouldn?t ostracize someone just for some weird beliefs. And yet, even though I*probably*know about a hundred fifty people, I am pretty confident that not one of them is creationist. Odds of this happening by chance? 1/2^150 = 1/10^45 = approximately the chance of picking a particular atom if you are randomly selecting among all the atoms on Earth.

    About forty percent of Americans want to ban gay marriage. I think if I really stretch it, maybe ten of my top hundred fifty friends might fall into this group. This is less astronomically unlikely; the odds are a mere one to one hundred quintillion against.

    People like to talk about social bubbles, but that doesn't even begin to cover one hundred quintillion. The only metaphor that seems really appropriate is the bizarre dark matter world.
    One day I realized that entirely by accident I was fulfilling all the Jewish stereotypes.

    I?m nerdy, over-educated, good with words, good with money, weird sense of humor, don?t get outside much, I like deli sandwiches. And I?m a psychiatrist, which is about the most stereotypically Jewish profession short of maybe stand-up comedian or rabbi.

    I?m not very religious. And I don?t go to synagogue. But that's stereotypically Jewish too!

    I bring this up because it would be a mistake to think ?Well, a Jewish person is by definition someone who is born of a Jewish mother. Or I guess it sort of also means someone who follows the Mosaic Law and goes to synagogue. But I don?t care about Scott?s mother, and I know he doesn?t go to synagogue, so I can?t gain any useful information from knowing Scott is Jewish."

    The defining factors of Judaism - Torah-reading, synagogue-following, mother-having - are the tip of a giant iceberg. Jews sometimes identify as a "tribe", and even if you don?t attend synagogue, you?re still a member of that tribe and people can still (in a statistical way) infer things about you by knowing your Jewish identity - like how likely they are to be psychiatrists.

    The last section raised a question - if people rarely select their friends and associates and customers explicitly for politics, how do we end up with such intense political segregation?

    Well, in the same way "going to synagogue" is merely the iceberg-tip of a Jewish tribe with many distinguishing characteristics, so "voting Republican" or "identifying as conservative" or "believing in creationism" is the iceberg-tip of a conservative tribe with many distinguishing characteristics.

    A disproportionate number of my friends are Jewish, because I meet them at psychiatry conferences or something - we self-segregate not based on explicit religion but on implicit tribal characteristics. So in the same way, political tribes self-segregate to an impressive extent - a 1/10^45 extent, I will never tire of hammering in - based on their implicit tribal characteristics.

    The people who are actually into this sort of thing sketch out a bunch of speculative tribes and subtribes, but to make it easier, let me stick with two and a half.

    The Red Tribe is most classically typified by conservative political beliefs, strong evangelical religious beliefs, creationism, opposing gay marriage, owning guns, eating steak, drinking Coca-Cola, driving SUVs, watching lots of TV, enjoying American football, getting conspicuously upset about terrorists and commies, marrying early, divorcing early, shouting ?USA IS NUMBER ONE!!!?, and listening to country music.

    The Blue Tribe is most classically typified by liberal political beliefs, vague agnosticism, supporting gay rights, thinking guns are barbaric, eating arugula, drinking fancy bottled water, driving Priuses, reading lots of books, being highly educated, mocking American football, feeling vaguely like they should like soccer but never really being able to get into it, getting conspicuously upset about sexists and bigots, marrying later, constantly pointing out how much more civilized European countries are than America, and listening to ?everything except country?.

    (There is a partly-formed attempt to spin off a Grey Tribe typified by libertarian political beliefs, Dawkins-style atheism, vague annoyance that the question of gay rights even comes up, eating paleo, drinking Soylent, calling in rides on Uber, reading lots of blogs, calling American football ?sportsball?, getting conspicuously upset about the War on Drugs and the NSA, and listening to filk ? but for our current purposes this is a distraction and they can safely be considered part of the Blue Tribe most of the time)

    I think these ?tribes? will turn out to be even stronger categories than politics. Harvard might skew 80-20 in terms of Democrats vs. Republicans, 90-10 in terms of liberals vs. conservatives, but maybe 99-1 in terms of Blues vs. Reds.

    It?s the many, many differences between these tribes that explain the strength of the filter bubble ? which*have I mentioned*segregates people at a strength of 1/10^45? Even in something as seemingly politically uncharged as going to California Pizza Kitchen or Sushi House for dinner, I'm restricting myself to the set of people who like cute artisanal pizzas or sophsticated foreign foods, which are classically Blue Tribe characteristics.

    Are these tribes based on geography? Are they based on race, ethnic origin, religion, IQ, what TV channels you watched as a kid? I don?t know.

    Some of it is certainly genetic ?*estimates*of*the genetic contribution to political association range from 0.4 to 0.6. Heritability of one?s attitudes toward gay rights range from 0.3 to 0.5, which hilariously is a little more heritable than homosexuality itself.

    (for an interesting attempt to break these down into more rigorous concepts like "traditionalism", "authoritarianism", and "in-group favoritism" and find the genetic loading for each*see here. For an attempt to trace the specific genes involved, which mostly turn out to be NMDA receptors, see here)

    But I don't think it's just genetics. There's something else going on too. The word "class" seems like the closest analogue, but only if you use it in the sophisticated Paul Fussell Guide Through the American Status System way instead of the boring "another word for how much money you make" way.

    For now we can just accept them as a brute fact - as multiple coexisting societies that might as well be made of dark matter for all of the interaction they have with one another - and move on.

    V.

    My hunch - both the Red Tribe and the Blue Tribe, for whatever reason, identify "America" with the Red Tribe. Ask people for typically "American" things, and you end up with a very Red list of characteristics - guns, religion, barbecues, American football, NASCAR, cowboys, SUVs, unrestrained capitalism.

    That means the Red Tribe feels intensely patriotic about "their" country, and the Blue Tribe feels like they're living in fortified enclaves deep in hostile territory.

    Here is a popular piece published on a major media site called*America: A Big, Fat, Stupid Nation. Another: America: A Bunch Of Spoiled, Whiny Brats. Americans are ignorant, scientifically illiterate religious fanatics whose "patriotism" is actually just narcissism. You Will Be Shocked At How Ignorant Americans Are, and we should Blame The Childish, Ignorant American People.

    Needless to say, every single one of these articles was written by an American and read almost entirely by Americans. Those Americans very likely enjoyed the articles very much and did not feel the least bit insulted.

    And look at the sources. HuffPo, Salon, Slate. Might those have anything in common?

    On both sides, "American" can be either a normal demonym, or a code word for a member of the Red Tribe.
    We've all seen articles and comments and articles like this. Some unsavory people try to use them to prove that white people are the real victims or the media is biased against white people or something. Other people who are very nice and optimistic use them to show that some white people have developed some self-awareness and are willing to engage in self-criticism.

    But I think the situation with ?white? is much the same as the situation with "American" - it can either mean what it says, or be a code word for the Red Tribe.

    (except on the blog Stuff White People Like, where it obviously serves as a code word for the Blue tribe. I don't know, guys. I didn?t do it.)

    I realize that's making a strong claim, but it would hardly be without precedent. When people say things like "gamers are misogynist", do they mean the 52% of gamers who are women? Do they mean every one of the 59% of Americans from every walk of life who are known to play video or computer games occasionally? No. "Gamer" is a coded reference to the Gray Tribe, the half-branched-off collection of libertarianish tech-savvy nerds, and everyone knows it. As well expect that when people talk about "fedoras", they mean Indiana Jones. Or when they talk about ?urban youth?, they mean freshmen at NYU. Everyone knows exactly who we mean when we say ?urban youth?, and them being young people who live in a city has only the most tenuous of relations to the actual concept.

    And I?m saying words like "American" and "white" work the same way. Bill Clinton was the "first black President", but if Herman Cain had won in 2012 he?d have been the 43rd white president. And when an angry white person talks at great length about how much he hates "white dudes", he is not being humble and self-critical.
    This would be an absolutely genius move btw if done on purpose. Make having kids Red Tribe. And make all the women Blue Tribe.

    Associate probatalism with weird not to be trusted Greytribe people + red tribe men (one of the most annoying groups.)

    10/10 no notes.

    You know what else is absolutely fascinating? I read a lot of white nationalists + far right tweets and I recently stumbled on a guy being open about how his tribal logic works. Actually think I quoted him in another post I may have deleted.) The one where they were all complaining about white liberal women. One said:

    I don't think the "white woman question" is driven nearly as much by it being a "safe" criticism of women at large so much as it is simply because nothing stings quite like betrayal.

    It's just an "et tu, brute" thing. I expect to be getting screamed at by a horde of mulatta lesbians with young martin sheen haircut but seeing blonde Becky in the crowd screaming alongside them is what hurts a man.

    Bronze Age Pervert. Yes white women have to be straight too to be traitors. I technically don't count due to several traits I have, but liberal white woman is still my drag persona cause it's funny.

    But ww are only 5% more blue than white men and liberal white men get way less hate.
    This is true! I think I don?t even consider liberal while men to be white 😂

    It's ironic too because they vote republican more than other women and in a very slight majority (for now 😏):


    "White women are traitors!" Could you please stfu now?



    People will just with a complete lack of irony tweet things like this:


    I always do find it a bit strange that grand narratives of "liberal white women" betraying white men hinge entirely on a 4%-6% voting difference between the two groups.

    Where are the posts about how 40% of white men vote left? Traitors, I say!
    Women are the enemy because they're the longhouse
    Men enforce the longhouse and support it as a majority. Every argument against women voting is better as an argument against democracy.
    Well duh, but the longhouse is driven by the feminine imperative.

    "There's no such thing as matriarchy, they are only female priestly colleges that conduct human sacrifices on a sacred king who has no secular political power."

    🍿 I really like this for them.


    This is also why women have no loyalty to their race.

    Open borders are the ultimate [BEEP] test they're imposing on white men. They want their men to stand up and fight for them and repel the invaders. And if they instead get conquered by the more masculine virtues of Islam or MS-13, that's cool too.

    Their genes will reward the most cutthroat, because historically the warlord archetype will best ensure their genes' survival. They are genetically programmed to not really mind being conquered and re-wedding their conquerors.
    I think women are very loyal to their race. It's just their race is women. If I adopt your ideological belief - then the idea that the end goal wouldn't be to do exactly the same to other men too is ridiculous. Especially since in the research below far left women skewed towards an interest in femdom (as opposed to far right women who skewed towards an interest in male dom for both groups of women - it was at the extreme end of left/right below,):



    Feminist activists are also more dominant than the average man or woman according to research.

    Should the tyranny that has descended on our age ever gain the power it seeks and then be challenged enough to feel itself in danger, the mass annihilations that will be carried out by homosexual, transsexual, and especially lesbian commissars will exceed in scale and cruelty anything that has yet happened in known history. Imagine lesbian mulatta commissars with young Martin Sheen face and haircut manning the future Bergen-Belsens, installations that will span tens of miles.
    🍿 My favourite role playing game.


    When I'm dictator of the universe though long hair is going to be in vogue. As I said my political agenda is this:


    You know Taylor Swift went pretty far with the catlady thing but the fujo thing goes harder.

    Together I really do believe. We can bring back long hair.

    I won't rest until a cute guy with long hair and glasses knocks on my door to misdeliver me someone else's pizza.

    How many times am I going to repeat this? I dunno it will get old eventually.


    Anyway the generic far right were trying to explain to more hard-core white nationalists why they spend more time criticising white women specifically than women of other races. So a lot argued that they don't expect better from other race women (the exact same logic trans women who yell at trans guys on twitter use btw. Since that other trans woman was wondering why they don't spend more time yelling at cis men... Cis men aren't traitors to their in group.)

    But not seeing white guys as white in a tribal sense all things considered isn't too weird. There must be some weird gender thing going on with white women though:

    You can bet some white guy on Gawker who week after week churns out "Why White People Are So Terrible" and "Here's What Dumb White People Don't Understand" is having fun and not sweating any blood at all. He's not criticizing his in-group, he's never even considered criticizing his in-group. I can't blame him. Criticizing the in-group is a really difficult project I've barely begun to build the mental skills necessary to even consider.
    The impulse is pure
    Sometimes our circuits get shorted
    By external interference

    Signals get crossed
    And the balance distorted
    By internal incoherence

    A tired mind become a shape-shifter
    Everybody need a mood lifter
    Everybody need reverse polarity

    Everybody got mixed feelings
    About the function and the form
    Everybody got to deviate
    From the norm

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