Random Thought of the Day

[Nyctophilia]

All of the incel and now femcel murderers over the past decade are reminding me of this track:



Of course for a lot of them it's not really the primary motivation it's nihilism, narcissism and misanthropy but that's less romantic.

I appreciate how gothic the dystopia is just like I appreciate how liminal (gothic) the austerity of a decaying shopping mall is.

Me:

I went to buy some stuff from the shopping centre today and went into this shop in town a lot of stuff seemed to be on sale because they were getting rid of it or something and I don't know if you've seen any of those like liminal spaces photographs etc but it had that vibe in there especially on the ground floor below. The lighting was very dim an stuff also some of the ceiling was removed so you could see up there

My friend:

Oh I know what you mean

The back rooms

Me:

yeah stuff like that
or those like nostalgic surreal photos and stuff
dying mall vibes

there's a bunch of empty spaces that aren't being used where stuff has closed down too

My friend:

Mmm, it's not a good thing

Whatever the opposite of prosperity is… we're living through that

Me:

austerity?

My friend:

Oh yeah, makes sense =P

Maybe that's why I haven't blown up anyone's school lol. I'm already unembodied.

Feelings of unreality

Patients with SzPD often feel unreal, empty,[87][124] and separate from their own emotions.[150] They tend to perceive themselves as fundamentally different from others and can believe that they are fundamentally unlikeable.[118][151] Other people often seem strange and incomprehensible to a person with SzPD. Reality can feel unenjoyable and uninteresting to people with SzPD. They have difficulty finding motivation and lack ambition.[112][152][153] Patients with SzPD often feel as if they are "going through the motions" or that "life passes them by."[6][154][155] Many describe feeling as if they are observing life from a distance.[156] Aaron Beck and his colleagues report that people with SzPD seem comfortable with their aloof lifestyle and consider themselves observers, rather than participants in the world around them. But they also mention that many of their schizoid patients recognize themselves as socially deviant (or even defective) when confronted with the different lives of ordinary people – especially when they read books or see movies focusing on relationships. Even when schizoid individuals may not long for closeness, they can become weary of being "on the outside, looking in". These feelings may lead to depression, depersonalization, or derealization.[118][6][59] If they do, schizoid people often experience feeling "like a robot" or "going through life in a dream".[157] People with SzPD may try to avoid all physical activity in order to become nobody and disconnect from reality. This can lead to the patient spending a large quantity of time sleeping and ignoring bodily functions such as hygiene.[59]

Internal fantasy

See also: Maladaptive daydreaming

Although this disorder does not affect the patient's capacity to understand reality, they may engage in excessive daydreaming and introspection.[44][158][159] Their daydreams can grow to consume most of their lives. Real life can become secondary to their fantasy,[7] and they can have complex lives and relationships which exist entirely inside of their internal fantasy. These daydreams may constitute a defense mechanism to protect the patient from the outside world and its difficulties.[61][118][160] Common themes in their internal fantasies are omnipotence and grandiosity.[59] The related schizotypal personality disorder and schizophrenia are reported to have ties to creative thinking, and it is speculated that the internal fantasy aspect of SzPD may also be reflective of this thinking.[161][162][163] Alternatively, there has been an especially large contribution of people with schizoid symptoms to science and theoretical areas of knowledge, including mathematics, physics, economics, etc. At the same time, people with SzPD are helpless at many practical activities because of their symptoms.[164]

i think about this often thank you

Me too

Still same lol.

Hmm. I think people who engage in violence and sex are very embodied. So the less embodied you are the less you engage with these behaviours. The rate of violence in many countries has overall been decreasing over time, though specific types of crime tend to become popular at certain points in time for competition based reasons. There are several UK identities but one of them seems to be being disembodied. This manifests in different ways too.

You can be actively disembodied where you're being creative, or passively disembodied - engaged in distraction, substance abuse, various addictions etc.

Atm I'm going to divide these into ghosts and zombies respectively. Although witches are better symbolically for creativity.

Though in saying that people perhaps don't have that much choice in that regard either. After all creativity is dependent on personality and intelligence.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/e...loathe-england

How I learnt to loathe England

A Dutchman reflects on what he's learnt by living in Britain for the last six years--it isn't pretty

"In-your-face binge drinking and gambling addiction are tell-tale signs that not all is well in the English psyche"

I've seen a good deal in England which suggested that, just maybe, not all was well with the collective psyche--the in-your-face binge drinking, the bookies stoking gambling addiction on every high street, the abject but routine neglect of public housing which went undiscussed until the Grenfell Tower fire. But that scene on the morning after the referendum encapsulates my disappointment with the country. Not only the division, but also the way it had been inflamed. Why would you allow a handful of billionaires to poison your national conversation with disinformation--either directly through the tabloids they own, or indirectly, by using those newspapers to intimidate the public broadcaster? Why would you allow them to use their papers to build up and co-opt politicians peddling those lies? Why would you let them get away with this stuff about "foreign judges" and the need to "take back control" when Britain's own public opinion is routinely manipulated by five or six unaccountable rich white men, themselves either foreigners or foreign-domiciled?

But by the time the referendum came, I had become very much in favour of the UK leaving the EU. The worrying conditions that gave rise to the result--the class divide and the class fixation, as well as an unhinged press, combine to produce a national psychology that makes Britain a country you simply don’t want in your club. I am terribly sorry for my pro-EU middle-class friends in England, and even more sorry for the poor who had no idea that by supporting Brexit they were voting to become poorer. But this is England’s problem, not the EU's: the nation urgently needs some time alone to sort itself out. So when those first "Leave" votes came in, I found myself making fist pumps at the television. On the morning of 24th June 2016 the middle-class parents at my children’s school were huddling together in shock over the result. One or two were crying quietly when a working-class mother I knew walked up to a well-to-do mother who had been canvassing for Remain. "OUT! OUT! OUT!", she shouted as she wagged her index finger. Then she walked off in triumph, back to her working-class friends at the other end of the playground.

Over the years, I had learned she was a warm person, yet on that day something stronger burst out. She had used the referendum to try to smash that expensive middle-class toy called the EU and it had worked. At last, for the first time in decades, those who felt like life's losers openly defied the winners, and carried an election. Now her country would have 350m a week to spend on the number one worry for people like her: the NHS.

I was annoyed by the personal freedoms I lost like being able to move/work in most of Europe but the government increased immigration from non-European countries which all of these people hate even more as that was their primary motivation. I knew this would happen and I'm it's proven very entertaining for me.

https://unherd.com/2023/07/the-luton...e-andrew-tate/

Two years before the Tates moved to Marsh Farm, there was a riot -- followed by a rave. It was July 1995: a summer of drought, Tory civil war, and three nights of anarchy on an estate in Luton. After a 13-year-old tearaway was forcefully arrested, 500 people attacked armed police officers with petrol bombs, bottles and bricks. A school was set on fire; shops were looted; a police officer was stabbed. And then the party started.

On Saturday night, as police patrolled and harassed residents, Exodus, a local collective, put out the message that a rave was taking place outside of town, hoping to lure the rioters out of Marsh Farm. "It looked like Vietnam," one of the organisers tells me, "and we wanted to fix that." And, by and large, they did. Just before sunrise on Sunday, he received a call to say that Marsh Farm had gone silent, but for the birdsong and the shuffling of riot police on empty streets.

"It was beautiful," he says. The ecstasy of the rave had soothed the disorder. Marsh Farm had been saved. But after the party, the comedown.

By the time Andrew Tate moved to Marsh Farm from Chicago aged 11, it was the “worst area of the worst town” in England. He has spoken about his "brokie days" on the estate: about growing up on welfare with his newly divorced mother and two younger siblings; and about defying the odds to become a millionaire kickboxing champion and "the most Googled man on the planet" (he’s eighth). If Andrew Tate has an origin story, it starts here.

Today, the self-styled "King of Toxic Masculinity" is in Romania on house arrest, charged with rape, human trafficking and forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women. To many, he is the man who said that women should bear responsibility for being raped. To his legions of young, male fans, though, he is a Nietzschean superman whose journey -- and success -- is the ultimate lesson: understand his self-discipline, drive and ambition, and learn how you, too, can become like him. For them, his biography is gospel.

"English people are the most violent people in the world," Tate said in a video last year. And Marsh Farm lends itself to violence. Tucked away on the margins of Luton town, the sprawling estate, now home to around 10,000 people, is dominated by three 15-storey tower blocks, their residents watching over a disproportionately deprived and unemployed warren that stretches for almost a mile.

"Crime was just an everyday occurrence," someone who grew up on Marsh Farm at the same time as Tate tells me. You had no choice but to accept it. "If the other residents thought you were a grass or too nosy, you would be burnt out. Your car would be burnt. Your property would be burnt. You would have paint put on your house saying 'grass'." I’m told it was completely normal for petrol to be poured through someone's letterbox and lit with a match.

Marsh Farm's Lea Manor High School offered little respite. When Tate arrived there in 1997, the school was in special measures and due to be closed."It was mayhem," says one of his former classmates. In one incident, a boy stabbed another with a pair of scissors; during another, pupils set fire to the art department. If their behaviour was brazen, that’s because they knew they could get away with it. "Students would drive to school in stolen cars -- and then drive on to the sports fields and start doing handbrake turns during school hours."

Amid such fragmentation, criminal activity on Marsh Farm has become more atomised, too. Gangs still operate, but mainly fight with rivals on other estates. Occasionally, Marsh Farm is targeted: cars are still burnt and gang shootings still take place in broad daylight -- the most recent in April this year. Unlike in the Nineties, though, the daily outbursts of violence have been replaced by the anomie of low-level crime; adults offering you drugs; children offering you drugs; someone who has just injected themselves with drugs. Their pain is self-inflicted and aimless. A world of rioting has become one of withdrawal.

On Marsh Farm, this is the comedown that followed the rave. Little has been done to remedy it. In 2011, an old microwave factory on the estate was turned into a police station, but there is no front desk for people to report crime. Residents complain it is just for show, and almost everyone points out the miserly police presence on the streets. One shopkeeper across the road from the station tells me that, after his shop was robbed during the middle of the day, it took three days for the police to arrive. When I visit the terraced house where Tate grew up, and where his mother Eileen still lives, the road is empty, apart from a topless young man speeding a dirt bike up and down the cul-de-sac. "He's always doing that," a neighbour grumbles.

I later knock on Eileen’s door, though she doesn't answer. Instead, her neighbour thrusts her head out of a window and demands that I leave. She tells me that Eileen doesn’t want to speak to journalists who "twist" the truth about her sons, so I post a note with my phone number on it. A few days later, a representative for Tate gets in touch to explain that he doesn’t want to comment.

Should we be surprised? Why challenge the gospel when it's already been handed down? Andrew Tate escaped Marsh Farm; that's all you need to know. His story is about how to escape -- not those who can't: those former schoolmates, the victims of a paedophile, or the five lost boys I find skulking around one of the estate’s parks.

The youngest of them looked 13; at least one was high. When I ask them about Tate, they laugh uncontrollably, almost competitively. "Top Geeeeeee," croaks one. "He's just saying it how it is," says another. "He's just doing his own thing,” adds the croaker, before trying to sell me some drugs.

What does Tate's gospel have to teach them? These lads spend their day staggering around Marsh Farm, looking for trouble and occasionally finding it. But that's about it. Not a single Lamborghini or Ferrari drives past -- and if one did? Like most of those boys before, they would gawp and croak, and then go back to doing nothing. There is no ambition. There is no hope. They are would-be rioters turned into zombies.

It is hard to imagine them being radicalised by Tate, let alone following him out of their estate. He is not their Pied Piper and they are not his rats -- just boys paralysed by neglect. A lost generation, perhaps, but one that has no interest in being found. If Marsh Farm is where Tate's gospel started, it is also where it ends.

When you fail to manifest your own world, you'll turn to violence to help you feel alive.



Don't look at me like I am a monster
Frown out your one face, but with the other
Stare like a junkie into the TV
Stare like a zombie while the mother holds her child
Watches him die
Hands to the sky crying, "Why, oh why?"

'Cause I need to watch things die
From a distance
Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies
You all need it too, don't lie

Well that's what Alan Moore tries to do, because he grew up in a working class town so he would know. Though it would have been different back then and also he went to a grammar school which they later got rid of so that would have been weird for him for class based reasons.

He later passed his 11-plus exam and was, therefore, eligible to go to Northampton Grammar School,[12] where he first came into contact with people who were middle class and better educated, and he was shocked at how he went from being one of the top pupils at his primary school to one of the lowest in the class at secondary. Subsequently, disliking school and having "no interest in academic study", he believed that there was a "covert curriculum" being taught that was designed to indoctrinate children with "punctuality, obedience and the acceptance of monotony".[2]: 17–18 

In the late 1960s, Moore began publishing his poetry and essays in fanzines, eventually setting up his fanzine, Embryo.[13] Through Embryo, Moore became involved in a group known as the Northampton Arts Lab. The Arts Lab subsequently made significant contributions to the magazine.[2]: 33–34  He began dealing the hallucinogenic LSD at school, being expelled for doing so in 1970 - he later described himself as "one of the world's most inept LSD dealers".[14] The headmaster of the school subsequently "got in touch with various other academic establishments that I'd applied to and told them not to accept me because I was a danger to the moral well-being of the rest of the students there, which was possibly true."[2]: 18 

LOL

Pretty sure I read this before but that's funny.

I disagree with a lot of the lyrics in "Vicarious".

Probably a top 10 tool song for me, but some parts of the lyrics do irk me, particularly that of verse 3.

It suggests an either/or as the line goes "your desire to believe in angels in the heart of men", that, you either submit to your most primal instincts or stay a na?ve fool. I would propose a different angle on it, in that we can understand our primal instincts and use that to justify building a just society. One where there won't have to be videos and images of mothers holding their dead children half across the world.

"The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been"

This line is probably the one I disagree with the most. Up until that point, I would read most of the lyrics as some kind of self reflective frustrated meandering. Or even better, a suggestion to self-reflect on it as it raises the question "why can't we just admit it" (though, I will say, admitting something like that seems a waste of time to me and it would serve nothing) - but with this particular line it seems to me to justify various inhumane deeds throughout history just because "that's how it has always been", and that is an appeal to nature thing, and it's borderline fascist.

Is this part of why people hate TOOL fans?

Perhaps it's the way Maynard emotes in the song but you could also just take it like this if you wanted:





"We are cursed with what we are doing here."

"The harmony of overwhelming and collective murder"

Herzog has got to be one of the most unintentionally funny people on earth

i don't think it's entirely unintentional

Yeah doubt it is.

Also the irony of a band that write a bunch of songs about psychedelic drugs singing "pull your [BEEP] on out your hippie haze", but that's just comedic to me lol

I hope on some level they understand the importance of what they do, not for others but for themselves.



Don't say I'm out of touch
With this rampant chaos, your reality
I know well what lies beyond my sleeping refuge
The nightmare I build my own world to escape

[Nyctophilia]

Half baked idea on why global fertility rates are down

I have a suspicion that standard, industrialized society working hours + women's entry into the workforce (and especially entry into jobs that were traditionally "male") is a huge part of the birthrate decline. The only commonalities I could find between almost every industrialized country with a declining birthrate is that:

Work outside the home used to be men-only or men-predominately

Working hours and conditions are geared to expect only one breadwinner (e.g. long days away from home)

[...]

If I'm right, (and I'm going to spend some time digging into stats because I really believe I might be on to something here), this would explain a few factors:

Fertility rates are negatively correlated with women's education: more education = more job prospects = higher likelihood of working on a job traditionally worked by a single breadwinner. Two people working single breadwinner hours isn't conducive to family rearing

Israel's fertility rate is pretty high and 64% of women there have a postgraduate degree (Edit: Nevermind I thought I read that before but it's just 64% of postgraduate students are women not women overall. I thought that sounded insane.)

In the US, women with postgraduate degrees also have more kids:



I think it's like 46% of people there who have a post-secondary degree but that's useless because 1. not showing percentage of women 2. Looking for people who have a masters degree or higher.

According to a 2017 report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Israel ranks number three on the shortlist for the most educated countries worldwide. The report is calculated by the country's population in the age bracket of those who graduated with post-secondary degrees. With Israel's population of over 8 million, about 50.9% of 25-64-year-old Israelis hold a 2 to 4-year higher degree, which includes academic and vocational programs.

I guess the specifics don't particuarly matter though because the high level of education doesn't seem to impact the overall rate negatively as much as anywhere else.

Currently, Israel is the only OECD country with a naturally growing population. Its birthrate--which, since 1980, has consistently hovered around three births per woman--is roughly double the still-declining OECD average and exceeds that of nearly every country outside of sub-Saharan Africa.

In the US:

Today, 47% of U.S. women ages 25 to 34 have a bachelor's degree, compared with 37% of men.

In 2022, 12% of women in the United States earned an advanced degree, while 8% of men did. This is a 5% gender gap that favors women.

It is women with undergraduate degrees or who don't graduate who have less kids. Not graduating uni/college results in lower fertility than graduating though if you go in the first place in the US at least.

It seems incredibly complicated and definitely isn't as simple as 'women who are more educated have less kids.' People bring that point up all the time on that subreddit but don't think I've seen anyone mention the above stuff.

Just so you know women of color have always worked…

All poor women of every color have always worked. Doing all the domestic labor - all cooking, cleaning, and childcare - on top of working on the family farm is a huge amount of work that only the very wealthiest women didn't have to do. I'm not dismissing wealth inequalities across different races, but when people say "women didn't work" they are dismissing the massive amount of unpaid labor women have historically provided to men. A man could only ever work a full time job and still have a home and children because he had a woman providing the necessary labor to keep the rest of his life going. Imagine how much it would cost if a man had to pay a full time housekeeper, personal chef, nanny, nurse, chauffeur, and executive assistant to run his household.

89,072 pounds per year aprox.

It's a shame that mothers who stay home, consider themselves lucky when it's shouldn't be a lucky thing to be able to take care of your own kid.

Try taking a baby from any other mother on the planet any creature. See what happens.

I knew when mothers were putting weeks old babies with strangers, crying that they could get anybody to do anything

Snakes, rats and tarantulas are better mothers than most American women

Hmm no this is a very anthropocentric viewpoint I think.

Humans are more socially complicated and closer to (but not entirely,) eusocial compared to a lot of other species. So not necessarily useful to compare (especially spiders wtf lol.)

Probably why they adopt other species so often as well. Seems to start pretty young possibly because children often help raise younger children or did historically. Then that gets transferred to other cute animals I suspect (it often works better with other animals I think actually, because they're seen as more cute.) Lol:





I mean I didn't say ideal caregivers lol...

Eusociality (Greek εὖ eu "good" and social) is the highest level of organization of sociality. It is defined by the following characteristics: cooperative brood care (including care of offspring from other individuals), overlapping generations within a colony of adults, and a division of labor into reproductive and non-reproductive groups. The division of labor creates specialized behavioral groups within an animal society, sometimes called castes. Eusociality is distinguished from all other social systems because individuals of at least one caste usually lose the ability to perform behaviors characteristic of individuals in another caste. Eusocial colonies can be viewed as superorganisms.

Eusociality has evolved among the insects, crustaceans, trematoda and mammals. It is most widespread in the Hymenoptera (ants, bees, and wasps) and in Blattodea (termites). A colony has caste differences: queens and reproductive males take the roles of the sole reproducers, while soldiers and workers work together to create and maintain a living situation favorable for the brood. Queens produce multiple queen pheromones to create and maintain the eusocial state in their colonies; they may also eat eggs laid by other females or exert dominance by fighting. There are two eusocial rodents: the naked mole-rat and the Damaraland mole-rat. Some shrimps, such as Synalpheus regalis, are eusocial. E. O. Wilson and others have claimed that humans have evolved a weak form of eusociality. It has been suggested that the colonial and epiphytic staghorn fern, too, may make use of a primitively eusocial division of labor.

Scientists have debated whether humans are prosocial or eusocial.[45] Edward O. Wilson called humans eusocial apes, arguing for similarities to ants, and observing that early hominins cooperated to rear their children while other members of the same group hunted and foraged.[46] Wilson and others argued that through cooperation and teamwork, ants and humans form superorganisms.[47][48][49] Wilson's claims were vigorously rejected by critics of group selection theory, which grounded Wilson's argument,[46][50][51] and because human reproductive labor is not divided between castes.[50]

Though controversial,[52] it has been suggested that male homosexuality[53] and female menopause[54] could have evolved through kin selection.[55][56] This would mean that humans sometimes exhibit a type of alloparental behavior known as "helpers at the nest", with juveniles and sexually mature adolescents helping their parents raise subsequent broods, as in some birds,[57] some non-eusocial bees, and meerkats.[58] These species are not eusocial: they do not have castes, and helpers reproduce on their own if given the opportunity.[59][48][60]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloparenting

Alloparenting (or alloparental care) is a term for any form of parental care provided by an individual towards young that are not its own direct offspring. These are often called "non-descendant" young,[1] even though grandchildren can be among them.[2] Among humans, alloparenting is often performed by a child's grandparents and older siblings. Individuals providing this care are called by the neutral term "alloparent" (or "helper").[1]

Alloparental care encapsulates a diverse range of parenting systems across a range of animal groups and social structures. The alloparent–young relationship can be mutualistic or parasitic, and between or within species. Cooperative breeding, joint brood care, reciprocal allonursing, brood parasitism and cuckoldry represent situations in which alloparenting plays a role.

This form of parenting is often seen among humans. However, it is not as popular among other species. Alloparenting is rare among classes of animals such as birds and mammals, with only about 3% of mammals exhibiting this parenting style, but this does not mean it does not occur.[3][4] In species that alloparent, it has been seen that offspring grow at faster rates and are often weaned earlier.[5]

Sperm whales (Physeter macrocephalus) are deep divers that exhibit alloparental care in the form of 'babysitting'. When the whales are young, they are not able to dive to and remain at the depths that their mothers frequent in order to graze and feed. Yet being left at the surface alone makes them vulnerable to predators like killer whales and sharks.[41] Sperm whale social groups appear to modulate their diving behaviour in order to provide alloparental care to young within the group and reduce the time they spend alone at the surface, at the same time allowing the mother greater foraging freedom. They do this by changing the synchronicity of their dives to limit the time a young whale spends alone.[41] As the 'babysitters' or alloparents dive and resurface the calves swim between them and therefore care is provided by a number of members within the social group.

Basically what Humans do while they're accumulating resources (money,) and status.

According to The US National Library of Medicine, alloparenting has proven to activate portions of the brain that are correlated with decreasing stress levels.[56]

But yeah Humans aren't going to just hand their children to just anyone so the point is moot.

Spiders are much less social and known to engage in canibalism. In some species of spiders the young will eat their mothers. It's called Matriphagy. Humans have obviously not evolved for that level of sacrifice. On the other hand it happens the other way around too:

https://www.susqu.edu/live/news/786-...o-eat-their-yo

"The wolf spider demonstrates extensive parental care," Persons said, "however, they may also abandon or cannibalize their egg sacs."

Persons, along with Susquehanna alumna Megan Marchetti '11, currently a science teacher at Carlisle Area School District, found that the older the female wolf spider, the less likely she was to cannibalize or abandon her young.

"Some animals, when one of their offspring is weak, will cannibalize that offspring in order to devote their full energy to those that are more likely to survive," Persons explained. "Our findings support the theory that, as animals age and become less likely to produce future young, they are less likely to cannibalize or abandon the ones they have, regardless of how likely those offspring are to survive."

https://northernwoodlands.org/outsid...le/spider-moms

All spiders lay eggs and wrap them with silk into some kind of egg sac. Most spider species wrap their eggs completely, making a tidy bundle, but some spin just a few threads that barely hold their egg clutches together. Egg sacs are often distinctive in color and shape and can even be used to identify a species. More elaborate egg sacs might comprise multiple layers of wrapping, including extra tough silk or colored silk, or even incorporating soil or sticks. For most spider mothers, finishing an egg sac is where their parental duties end. But for some, the parenting journey is just beginning.

Human childbirth is also a lot worse than for other mammals so requires quite a lot of investment in the first place but not as much as the spiders who get eaten.

[Nyctophilia]

SC GOP Reintroduces Bill to Punish People Getting Abortions With Death Penalty

This week MAGA extremists in South Carolina introduced a bill mandating the death penalty for women who seek an abortion. And I am guessing this is probably the first you’ve heard about it. Sadly, corporate media remains criminally silent on these grotesque attacks on women’s health and basic rights. It is critical we remain aware of these threats, because they are real, and that we remain active in responding to these threats in real time. Let’s Address This.

I looked and apparently about 42% of South Carolina are pro choice. It would make me very happy if they all left the state and it just collapsed.

"i love babies, and I don't care how many mothers I have to kill to protect them"

Pro-lifeing them right to death

Lol.

They don't care how many of the babies they later kill through their other policy decisions either.

[Nyctophilia]

This is just straight up venting honestly.

I'm a 29 old male. For some reason I'm not attracted to what many men are attracted to: feminine, cute, short girls. I do not feel sexual or romantic attraction towards them, and I can very well be a friend with one but they're not really a partner material for me.

I've had one relationship before, and it lasted four years. My ex was my height, physically fit and slightly dominant. She liked guys with long hair and not too tall, so we fit each other very well. After we separated and I got over her, I started to look for girls to date, and met a few, but nothing ever developed and I simply don?t find romantic interest in them, other than that I don?t want to be single forever.

I even started wondering if I might be gay, but I'm definitely not. No attraction towards men whatsoever.

I realized that, even as a teenager, I always fantasized that my girlfriend would be tall and slightly masculine, someone like a peer to me. As if the traditional roles were a bit reversed. I don?t know why that is. I know it's weird. I sometimes wish I had more common taste, so that I could more easily find people to date, but it is what it is.

It's been two years single now. The dating pool for people like me seems near non-existent, but I was lucky once. How do I go about trying to find a compatible match?

Yeah I'm stuck in a similar but opposite kind of hell where I prefer guys with long hair who are androgynous. Unfortunately I'm non-binary and also short and 'cute' which is completly wrong for my gender/gender expression.

I don't present femme though and one guy in my past nit picked me about not wearing dresses (among other things,) but I'm kind of grossed out by being in a heteronornative relationship I've realised (maybe thats not it I dunno. There are several overlapping problems which make me functionally borderline asexual, but regardless dating guys felt wrong anyway.) Which means I'd prob have to date a more feminine person somehow so they don't see me that way? Impossible almost unless I date femme woman and even then I'm still 5'2"

Like this couple (Not that I'm like either of them I'm more alternative too when not completely apathetic and not giving a fuck,):



I doubt I'd be happy being expected to be 100% masculine either.

I don't know its weird having multiple conflicting preferences regarding my own role and the people I'm attracted to and then my personality which doesn't work anyway and I have the sex appeal of a potato (regardless of gendered standards,) and so on.

Imagine like early 2000s Avril (mostly because I just went back to a previous page in this thread to find a video link lol,) but I'm 33, don't wear makeup including eyeliner, if I leave the house I have to wear glasses (which I have not changed since 2010 so they're still like rectangular ones - completely out of style and I don't care but I do personally think other glasses are attractive these days,) and I have 0 swag and less attractive face. Nerdy Avril. We have a similar build I think. That's me atm especially with my current hair cut that will eventually be going (I'm still in a competition to grow it to my waist just to say I did but it's driving me insane and it's approaching borderline self harm.)



You see how much confidence she had? I don't have that either. This isn't a good video showing what I mean. I picked this one because:

Strangely, she looks very sad

And eventually she agreed and started being more bubbly.

That's the superficial aesthetic though.

Basically it's that trans guy who never medically transistioned kind of vibe not Avril me I'm trying to describe the collage of my cursed existence (very select group, also some trans guys are like this too but have medically transistioned) rather than tomboy (but I put in so little effort to my aethetic now lol. I'm hoping to change that over the next 2-3 years and have more alien stuff.) But again without the confidence in my case. That works a lot better on people who aren't me and don't give a [BEEP] about other people (and are more confident,) case in point (he is a genderfluid trans guy he's made videos about this to be clear I'm not outing someone):



Omg I forgot but days ago my brother said I looked like this guy from Conan. I've forgotten his name. James Earl Jones played him? because of my hair and I was wearing a dressing gown over a jacket because it was so cold. Thulsa Doom. I haven't watched that film. He was just sat there laughing for like 5 minutes.

He comes up with the weirdest [BEEP] lol. I prefered grunge musician.

I like how based on what I've said you would have no idea how to picture me now lol. I am actually white though not black.

I am an evil wizard though. That part is true.

I am the void itself.

I was looking for a meme but then found this:



Is mermaids a video game or something? If not I used to do this as a kid roleplaying by myself lol.





"While I seek to enslave the other, the other seeks to enslave me."

"It's quite a cynical view of personal relationships"

Oh no what he described is a perfect description of how psychologists/therapists etc say people with schizoid personality disorder view relationships. Like the slave/master/exile dynamic but I'm too lazy to search around right now.

I vaguely remember someone elso pointing out an overlap between existential philosophy and the disorder too.

I like the art style of this meme. It makes me think of some kind of retro video game or something.

Ha! My ex said he likes tomboys too.

He ended up leaving me cuz I wasn't feminine enough. Including old fashioned gendered roles.

Good luck my friend. You'll find her.

A guy who kept telling me to wear dresses and commenting on my masculine traits, also that I wasn't traditional in some ways started dating a mildly tomboyish woman with short hair lol.

I've posted about him too much but he was very confusing because he was quite traditional in some ways, and did that but then one time asked me to save him from a spider and called me his hero on facebook?

I think I just come across as socially weird to people and that's the main problem and social anxiety is a major problem unless you're comfortable in that role that sticks you into. The problem is bigger than that though it's like I didn't come with any kind of scripts preinstalled that other people have. Another reason to suspect I have undiagnosed autism honestly.

I couldn't have dated that guy anyway by that point as I'd broken up with someone else in our social circle. Too messy.

Date a bisexual girl

Most of them are feminine. Everyone in this thread has different and confusing definitions of every term. I hate communication now honestly.

I'm a feminine male with a masculine female. It's great. I recommend looking for females in a male dominated career path. Engineers/scientists. Military is a decent place. You might also check the woods. If a wild female ranger appears, let her know you're in heat.

Feminists are fun, and easy to find. Look for the girl in shorts with her legs unshaved.

Haha, straight to the point! Glad you found your other half!

I work in IT, pretty male dominated, The few girls we have are nerdy, but feminine. Except for one lesbian. I don't want to date someone from work though, it seems like a life complication.

Nah I don't shave my legs but I'm still nerdy. I can imagine the type. I bet he's looking for someone who works out and is sporty and socially confident so nerdy women are masculine in the wrong way and too feminine overall. Military would probably work though yeah.

Sports tomboy or like kinda nerdy tomboy?

Is there a big difference? My ex was both sporty and worked in IT, so I guess both are okay? I exercise regularly myself and I am a bit nerdy, so I guess both can be a common interest for me.

Lol yeah huge difference. One is a tomboy the other is a 'trans woman' or femboy even if they're a cis woman, or your coworkers most likely:



Lol no but sometimes. We live in the reality where people get annoyed that you're not a femboy and maybe call you transphobic. For cosplaying Link? Completely defeats the point of the character design which was purposefully designed in an androgynous way so anyone could identify with him. We've also now invented 'femme tomboy' apparently:

if you look at the way he sits but also speaks and look at the body language you will see what he is

if she wore a swimsuit you'd stop saying such things as your jaw would drop to the floor.

pretty sure I wouldn't because clothes have nothing to do with what I'm reading with my eyes

Nah, Emiru's a Femme Tomboy. Not a full tomboy cus she occasionally dresses like a girl, but mostly a tomboy.

Feel like I'm reading an entry on urban dictionary.



I was curious after stumbling on some videos by her where she talked about this but seemingly for the past 4 years or so on/off she has to deal with guys demanding to know if she's 'really female' and the complete opposite people getting annoyed that she's not a femboy. Because she does cosplay basically. I noticed this before stumbling on her with other people online though. There was this British YouTuber in the late 2000s/early 2010s who had a bunch of people insisting this.

I was fascinated because it's like people who are visually passing as female but more popular with male viewers and they think this is either funny or... They genuinely believe it sometimes (though you can find similar people irl in some environments who will say similar things even back in the early 2010s,) and the British YouTuber was before the femboy subculture took off too. It's always someone with the same kind of appearence and mannerisms. Like clearly female and more feminine than butch, but slightly boyish with more nerdy guy interests.

Then people start reacting this way.



How are you? What?

What is this? Was there a meeting somewhere?

Anyway and it sort of happened with shoeonhead too lol. She also has a lower voice I guess.

If you ever come out as trans or non-binary though they will insist you are the opposite of whatever you say obviously. Or if they don't pay much attention or you don't show photos they will just think you're a trans woman again because they think all trans people are trans women. That happens on twitter.

"Are you a girl?"

"Depends. Which answer is more likely to make you to leave my stream and never come back".

"Because whichever it is, it's that one".

Lol.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/...-twitch-stream

Good to know there are people out there who feel similar! Hope you're happy with your partner! Sometimes it feels like I'm all alone in this, and it's even awkward to bring it up with someone.

My ex also sometimes wore a skirt (when it was hot) or would put makeup on (when attending some social gathering) but most days she wore gender-neutral clothes and no makeup. It's not as much about appearance itself as it is about the relationship dynamic I think. Feeling valued and appreciated for who you are, not for who you pretend to be. Although clothing can signal such preferences I guess.

Mostly I feel shy about it, to be honest. It feels like I don't dare to mention it when I meet someone, because it sounds weird and somewhat inappropriate, like some kind of kink. Not something you bring up on the first date. Maybe I'm too self-conscious.

I do have a Bumble account, but not much luck on it so far. I post my pictures there so one can see I have long hair, but I mostly write about my interests in there, as in sports, gaming, music. It feels like it's hard enough to get a match without making it weird.

It is a preference, but an uncommon one, or so it feels. One does risk getting rejected when opening up about personal feelings. It is a bit hard.

I guess you are right, in of itself it's nothing to be ashamed of. However, it feels as though all the girls I dated (other than my ex) had these expectations on what a relationship role is, and it just feels like I would immediately disappoint them if I was honest. As if telling a teacher you forgot your homework or something.

I am actually looking for D&D groups near me! Not for dating as such, but for socializing and gaming. Perhaps one can find someone there. I will continue with Bumble, but I think your suggestions make sense and I can modify my profile a bit.

I guess you could try getting advice from the role reversal subreddit but there are no dating sites or anything like that. It's also not quite what he's looking for since he said he's looking for a peer.

Please checkout r/rolereversal you will find your crowd there

Lol I just said that then read this but the thing is when I go there I mostly just find arguing because people vary in how they deviate from gender norms in all kind of ways and so there's complaing about women who want to have strap on sex, there's complaining because like me most of the women there aren't that masculine or muscular which is preferred, most of the guys aren't femboys and complain about that. There's complaining. For some reason there's a bunch of guys who go there when the only thing they really want is just to be cuddled/shown affection which is messed up and says a lot about modern relationships And Northern European/Germanic cultures combined really.

Also lot so of the negtives of progressive culture there which is like subtly sex negative and naggy 'stop sexualising people' kind of thing. And finally still no real advice on where to find people. But I don't go there reguarly that's just what I've ran into several times.

Technically though it is sort of the place to go though. Technically.

Damn, that's like the story of my life. I understand you very much since I'm also a more masculine and buff woman (not tall though) whose only type are feminine men with long hair. I never ever managed to find a straight guy who would fit into my criteria and it was frustrating as hell. While I am sorry that you experience the same pain as me, I am also glad that I'm not the only one with this problem, since it is really confusing and makes you wonder if something's wrong with you. We do exist though, even if we are few, just keep on looking.

A lot of this resonates with me, I'm a guy with some feminine traits who absolutely loves tomboys, and I wish there was a way to easily find women with more masculine traits through the standard apps.

My previous relationship was with a woman who was pretty feminine in appearance, but had some masculine and dominant traits. We talked about fantasies and kinks, and I told her I have a thing for tomboys / tomboy traits. She turned out to be enthusiastic about indulging in this fantasy for me! Whenever we'd hang out at home from that point onwards she'd wear gym shorts, boxer briefs, no bra / sports bra, baggy t-shirts / hoodies, no makeup, etc.

It drove me wild.

This is just to say you can craft something you want too, as opposed to limiting yourself to only searching specifically for it.

Hahaha force masc your girlfriend. I don't feel comfortable doing that though and my ex even refused to wear eyeliner one time I asked. Not a good idea to view people as projects really.

Women are (on average) unfortunately more agreeable though. Put aside their own preferences more. But if they really dislike something they might do it and resent you later.

Also I was curious as I realised this thread was from 2 years ago and the OP is still single (or single again,) but posting on the role reversal subreddit. Apparently he liked it when guys catcalled him and assumed he and his ex were lesbians in the past or people mistook him for a girl. He said it made him feel more confident about being attractive to his ex because they they thought he was attractive but as a girl? I think his reaction to that was interesting (in that most guys wouldn't feel that way.) But he likes working out and looking more masculine now + he's 30+ so hoping to find someone OK with both.

I've only been in one relationship so far, it was RR and she initiated it, mostly. While I'm into RR, I have no idea how to bring it up to a girl without it becoming awkward. It does limit my interactions with women, the fear of being judged or seen as a weirdo takes away the courage to initiate romantic contact.

I guess it is easier for girls to break gender norms and take the lead than for men to do the opposite. You can see a lot of strong-willed girls in media being celebrated, but not often men who embrace their feminine side, for example.

Unless you are very socially confident it's not easy having to ask people out no. That's why sapphic women often end up in this situation where no one takes the initiative or escalates anything. You know like the 4chan greentext post I posted yesterday lol.

As to being perceived as weird, I agree overall. I was a goth in high school. [...] It stood out extra because I was a boy, the only goth at school, where we had about 3 goth girls. It's easy to ignore prejudice and haters precisely because you don't care about their opinion. That's good, I did that for years. But when a love interest is involved, their opinion of you matters, because you want to attract them. Your love life is at stake.

Paradoxically, a girl got attracted to me because I was a goth and asked me out, but I refused. I had no interest in dating in high school. She had this kinda pastel-anime thing going on. Sometimes I wonder what would have been if I agreed to date her. Oh well.

I feel really confident somehow that I would have been into him back then and he would have rejected me or otherwise made it really clear (before even getting to that point lol,) that he wasn't into me even in an insulting way like some people I knew in my past lol. Not that I've ever liked pastel colours but yeah I just know.



It's snowing in Birmingham? Oh wait this video is 4 weeks ago nm it was snowing here too back then.

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'sickest Runescape drop ever'

Lol I see what they did there..



Me looking for music for my video:

"OK well this works well. Let me just check that this guy was the composer of thi- oh he was arrested and is in prison now for Spoiler: sexually assaulting a minor god damn it musicians can you stop."

Someone saying he looks like he commits the crime before he committed said crime has not aged well at all. Up there with that "there will be a femcel shooter who name drops radfemhitler in the next 2 years" tweet.



"And I just want a million pounds."

Dollars will be fine too.

I already had a dream involving my YT channel that came true around the same time that this went down, so I'll prob have to wait till the next 'event'

[Nyctophilia]

They also say that the bottom 80 percent of men are "left to fight for the bottom 20% of females. This works out for about 70% of the males, leaving just 10% of the males to struggle for the bottom 10% of females, who only want access to the top 20% of males."

This isn't the same thing as sex obviously but 20% of women don't reproduce. This has remained relatively stable over time and even before they started keeping records of various things there's evidence of that.

So basically since many women would have sex/relationships with guys they're not that into to have kids, or because they were pressured by family/society, there's still some percentage that never does.

I dont think they were ever going to have sex or even a sexless relationship with those guys.

Like I said (in a previous post I may or may not have deleted,) Humans are kind of but not entirely eusocial.

I also want to point out that historically, it was quite normal for about*15-20% of women to have no children. So 20% failing to reproduce is on the high end, but not historically anomalous. What*is*weird is for the people who*do*have children to have so few. Given that the average US woman has fewer children than she wants, I think there's room to improve this. If just 15% of the women who*already have at least one child*would have one additional kid, that alone would boost this sample's TFR by .23, to 2.1, so replacement level. A TFR of ~1.6(which is the more commonly accepted TFR) would require about 1/3 of women who already have at least one child having an additional kid.

TIL that throughout history, about 80 percent of women reproduced, whereas only 40 percent of men did

If Humans were entirely eusocial some portion would lose the physiological ability to reproduce, and would not be unhappy about not having sex and/or children as they often are. They would also be less destructive.

Female school shooters are in the bottom 20% of women and the bottom 20% of men I guess. They shouldn't be in the latter but they get placed there nonetheless. Because people refuse to see extreme behaviour as female and hell even being very political is considered as being like a man by right wing men...

https://archive.nytimes.com/tierneyl...cky-questions/

"If you make a list of activities that are done in large groups, you are likely to have a list of things that men do and enjoy more than women: team sports, politics, large corporations, economic networks, and so forth."

Men go to extremes more than women, and that fits in well with culture using them to try out lots of different things, rewarding the winners and crushing the losers.

You can probably as with most things replace women somewhat with 'liberal,' or 'creative.' But that's less easy. So "female killers are man-women" happens instead. Tbf "liberal women are man-women" also happens and "right wing women are man-women"

In other words, incels see themselves as that bottom 10 percent, and view their celibate status as a mathematical problem that's rigged against them. It's clear that this fixation also translates into an obsession over not just the sexual privilege that more attractive people have, but the financial one -- it?s precisely because of her looks that Stacy can afford to carry a $2,000 Gucci bag, while Becky?s stuck with her $5 backpack because her selfies aren?t as hot. It?s no surprise, then, that some incels have called for a version of*"sexual Marxism,"*or a system in which every person is somehow matched with a partner of a similar level of wealth and attractiveness.

Will never happen. Only technology is new Human behaviour never is. This would be new so instead you will get sex robots and artifical wombs. Eventually.



Do you think Bjork would have had a kid if she wasn't a famous musician? I ask myself this question everyday (no I don't lol.)

Grimes only had kids with Elon Musk though because of an AI techbro joke:



But sometimes it's probably better not to reproduce with the top 1% of men and this was certainly one of those times in my incredibly biased opinion.

I mean I know David Bowie was dead by the time you were thinking about it probably, which meant you couldn't steal his uh fluids for Satanic rituals as Jimmy Page suggested (plus the antichrist was already born as I said before Marilyn Manson.) But still.

David Bowie used to store his urine in a fridge as he feared that Jimmy Page and a satanic coven planned to steal his bodily fluids to conceive the Antichrist

Bowie became convinced that because*Page owned the former home of black-magic*philosopher Aleister Crowley, who he believed was in cahoots with the witches and was paranoid that they were out to get him and, more crucially, drain him of his fluid. Page?s affiliation with Crowley has seen him accused of numerous otherworldly misdemeanours, including allegedly backmasking satanic messages in Led Zeppelin songs. With this knowledge seemingly at the forefront of Bowie's cooked cerebral cortex, he stocked up his fridge with urine in an erratic bid to keep his soul pure.

I guess it was less of a direct genetic link than a creative one ...



(Yes I am going to keep bringing this Bowie anecdote up it's fucking hilarious and no I dont think Marilyn Manson is the antichrist. I don't believe in that belief system except for amusement purposes and it's all very 1999.)

Elon is rich but is he really the 'top 1%' if most people aren't attracted to him? Or if he's not the best musician? Or if he doesn't have great hair? Depends on the competition, I guess.

I'll just pretend she had kids with Chelsea Manning I guess.

She had two kids by surrogate.

It's much more entertaining for me.



This means we will never know that's fair. Louis is the only one who could get this info. Though this is a BBC thing so...

Damn this post should have ended with 'I'll just pretend she had kids with Chelsea Manning I guess.' Now this entire post is ruined just like my disrupted sleep.

I mean I don't need/want to know (my own opinion is it never happened anyway.) It's just if I was the 'demon' from The Witching Hour book by Anne Rice I would do that.

From the author of the extraordinary Vampire Chronicles comes a huge, hypnotic novel of witchcraft and the occult through four centuries.

Demonstrating, once again, her gift for spellbinding storytelling and the creation of legend, Anne Rice makes real for us a great dynasty of witches--a family given to poetry and to incest, to murder and to philosophy; a family that, over the ages, is itself haunted by a powerful, dangerous, and seductive being.

On the veranda of a great New Orleans house, now faded, a mute and fragile woman sits rocking ... and*The Witching Hour*begins.

It begins in our time with a rescue at sea.**Rowan Mayfair, a beautiful woman, a brilliant practitioner of neurosurgery--aware that she has special powers but unaware that she comes from an ancient line of witches--finds the drowned body of a man off the coast of California and brings him to life.**He is Michael Curry, who was born in New Orleans and orphaned in childhood by fire on Christmas Eve, who pulled himself up from poverty, and who now, in his brief interval of death, has acquired a sensory power that mystifies and frightens him.

As these two, fiercely drawn to each other, fall in love and--in passionate alliance--set out to solve the mystery of*her*past and*his*unwelcome gift, the novel moves backward and forward in time from today's New Orleans and San Francisco to long-ago Amsterdam and a chateau in the France of Louis XIV.**An intricate tale of evil unfolds--an evil unleashed in seventeenth-century Scotland, where the first "witch," Suzanne of the Mayfair, conjures up the spirit she names Lasher ... a creation that spells her own destruction and torments each of her descendants in turn.

From the coffee plantations of Port au Prince, where the great Mayfair fortune is made and the legacy of their dark power is almost destroyed, to Civil War New Orleans, as Julien--the clan's only male to be endowed with occult powers--provides for the dynasty its foothold in America, the dark, luminous story encompasses dramas of seduction and death, episodes of tenderness and healing.**And always---through peril and escape, tension and release--there swirl around us the echoes of eternal war: innocence versus the corruption of the spirit, sanity against madness, life against death.**With a dreamlike power, the novel draws us, through circuitous, twilight paths, to the present and Rowan's increasingly inspired and risky moves in the merciless game that binds her to her heritage. And in New Orleans, on Christmas Eve, this strangest of family sagas is brought to its startling climax.

I haven't watched the show and heard it wasn't good (I really don't recommend it based what I've heard if you haven't read the book,) which is a shame because the book is really an epic.

I think liminality is a recurring theme in lot of her work but since she wrote gothic fiction that would make sense. Not just life and death but child and adult etc too. Also gender/sexuality a bit. Lots of ambiguity.

The more I read The Witching Hour the angrier I get about the series

Book Spoilers Allowed

I started reading The Witching Hour before the series was announced. I was so excited for a true gothic horror series about witches…then I watched Mayfair Witches.

I don’t need to go into why. Anyone who read the books and saw the series know what is wrong with it. I really wanted to like it too, but after Rowan’s cringey meltdown over Ciprean taking the key and I immediately gave up.

When season 2 of IWTV was announced I started reading the Vampire Chronicles and became more involved with the fandom. It really blew my mind that that series could be so incredible and Mayfair Witches so bad. But I guess the difference is that Rolin and Mark love Interview and are passionate about it, Mayfair Witches has no love or passion whatsoever.

I started listening to the audiobook and got engrossed in the story once more. It is so fucking good and it makes me even angrier that the series is so bad. It feels almost insulting that they ignored the nuance and most important plot points and details, and did away with Michael and Aaron because for some reason Rowan needed more agency (nevermind the fact that they are crucial to the plot and vastly different characters with different motivations).

They genuinely didn't give a [BEEP] about the source material or their audience. They probably think we wouldn’t bother reading the book and therefore wouldn’t care. As for those who haven't read the book, they probably thought they wouldn't care if it was good or bad.

It might blow their minds that audiences like to be taken seriously, even if they don’t read the books.

I read somewhere, not sure if it’s true, that the awesome show runner for IWTV got wind of the project and asked for it, bc he always wanted to do it, is a life-long big big fan. We got so lucky. Mayfair seems like someone was assigned the project by AMC against their will, thinks books are stupid, actively provokes fans for giggles, hates their cast, doesn’t believe in costuming, just phoned in the whole fucking thing

This makes me very sad (still) because I haven't read the books since I was a teenager (and never did read the 2nd or 3rd book thoroughly, (but I know it has the potential to be really great,) if they care about costumes and sets (important) and stop trying to girlbossify it or whatever they are doing...

This just means someone hopefully will have to reboot it if the film industry ever improves again...

I think it'd because The Vampire Chronicles is the more popular series esp the first book which has been turned into a film before. So it has more attention and fans. The first Lives of the Mayfair witches book is very long, they are all very sexual (which gen z are getting bored with,) and very dark (moreso than I remember the vampire books I read being yes even factoring in Claudia and the presence of Satan in a later book.)

But yeah despite everything the way she described New Orleans was what interested me about the city in the first place and she the inclusion of like Spoiler: another species basically that she invented like a subbranch of Humanity with the taltos was very interesting as that was basically her own creation very loosely referencing Hungarian mythology (the name she took from that I think,) whereas she rebooted vampires in an interesting and new way by making the audience identify with them (the first to do that I think,) but they were a staple in gothic fiction and folklore before that and were already quite established in their traits by the time she was writing that.

It's like if someone ruined Harry Potter or LoTR honestly... But then they haven't, they? Supposedly The Ring Of Power show isn't great but I still have to watch it (the aesthetics didn't work for me in the trailer tbh,) but at least the film trilogy exists which are really great I think. Also I couldn't get through those books as a teen so can't compare but they seem like great films in their own right at least.

The Harry Potter films were also good except for all the stuff they cut from Order of the Phoenix which I wanted to see visually represented like some stuff in the ministry of magic. I did think the books were better but they were still decent films. That universe was more ruined by the author for me lol.

Absolutely. This is exactly what happened to me - recently re-read all the Witching Hour books and was so excited about the show - especially because IWTV was so good. Couldn’t even make it past the first 3 episodes and was just ranting the whole time. I don’t mind adaptations - clearly IWTV isn’t like the books in many ways but it’s all an improvement imho. The changed they made to Mayfair are nonsensical to me - the casting is bad, some of the choices make absolutely no sense at all. Like I get we can’t have all the incest and molesting (tho there is a smidge of incest in IWTV) but to get rid of Michael and Julian is bizarre. I could go on and on but it’s interrupting my 3rd rewatch of IWTV ….lol

That's kind biphobic no lol but seriously I remember Julian being one of my favourite characters when I was a teenager (as problematic as it all is,) and why can't you have that stuff? Game of Thrones did. The book was adult rated (though I read it at about age 13 XD my mum just bought the first one when I asked in a book shop without inquiring,) so make an adult TV show......



"I grew up reading Anne Rice novels"

Lol she says this in another video "I used to write my own porn bitch."

(I'm not into drag culture at all personally, this is actually one of the very few drag queens I've seen stuff from because of YT clips lol which makes it better.)

Oh no I know, it's very problematic. I just don't care.

And how is any of it supposed to work without Michael? Like if you just wanted to make a show about witches you should have just done that and called it something else

They're definitely going to remove Mona too because she was so problematic being 13 but since I read the books as a teen I thought she was cool lol ... Eh I still find women like that cool tbh (personality wise,) like Aella. It's not my personality at all (outside of being perverted in a creative sense) because I'm very avoidant and risk averse and picky but yeah that's why I enjoy it vicariously most likely.

I actually would kinda dig a video game. I dunno how it’d work but it would have to start with Suzanne calling Lasher and then each generation. I’d like to be able to play as Lasher too, and be able to do things “behind the family’s back” to achieve his aims etc

Yes I feel like different pov would be epic! I’m telling you a video game would be so cool and it would do so well.

Oh yeah that would be cool.

On a related note I'm reading this Star Trek fanfic right now which I'm enjoying except there seems to be this female antagonist who is cast in a villain like role so far basically because she's some kind of rival love interest and described as a nymphomaniac it feels very 2D especially the parts from her pov. Luckily she doesn't seem so far to be a major character I think but it's like the female equivalent of men writing women. Women writing women. You've just created this strawperson where you can clearly see both the author's morality and inability maybe to get into the head of a character like that?

It's like when someone writes slash (male homoerotica,) fanfiction and writes female characters in a way where you know they hate them, and often kill them off, except this isn't slash and she created the character at least.

One amusing thing is it was written in 2009 but the character is called Karen lol.

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I can't remember if I watched this or not before. Maybe.



Lol when he just scrolls through that guys channel as he rants about his Christianity and abstinence and it's just a bunch of video thumbnails with scantily clad women.

The whatever podcast is so transparently grifting ragebait nonsense though and I've managed to mostly avoid it entirely unlike a lot of the other idiots which I can tell is ideal.

COP 50,000.00
I love knowing I live in a world where there are men like you, thank you so much for speaking up, we all need to be more vocal about all this craze.

you gave him $50k??

Lol I was like what the absolute [BEEP]? You donated 50 thousand dollars!? Then realised the currency was Colombian pesos so it's like $11 or something.

[Nyctophilia]

i think it's awful & messed up most trans women are expected / assumed to top and penetrate by cis girl partners. that there's conception most tgirl / cis girl sex is an excersise in lesbian breeding kink

that said i top and penetrate and love to fulfill my massive lesbian breeding kink so you know

They made me in a factory called [redacted]

i don't remember writing this

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I'm still confused. Like for her sex work? Because I assumed that.

Sometimes I scroll through people's social media profiles and wonder if anything they say is a legit preference/thought etc lol. Part of that is that internet culture has become incredibly post ironic but then gets even more complicated when people are obviously selling themselves as a career.

Then gets even more complicated when someone is voyeuristic, avoidant and asexual-adj and Greek goddesses are involved...

I didn't really fully understand what was happening when Artemis first approached me for sex. Just that something was taking over me, almost possessing me. It felt good and it felt scary and it made me feel afraid that I was going to be turned into a sex toy for a god -- or a demon.

Artemis and Aphrodite are the easiest to contact. I sometimes pray to them together. You would assume these two goddesses are opposites, even in conflict. But they describe my separate halves well. Aphrodite, my loving, seductive, sexual side. Artemis, my solitary, lesbian, asexual tendencies. Aphrodite protects my heart; Artemis, my mind. Everyone has an Apollonian and Dionysian side, but doesn?t every woman have a bit of Aphrodite and Artemis inside her too?

Well the weirdest deity is Inanna because she's a goddess of sexual love and war. Aphrodite was actually based on one half of her. Aesthetically it's a bit like (but not quite,) someone fused Slaanesh and Khorne (who hate each other,) together.

But Slaanesh and Khorne were created in contemporary Britain because they better represent the current (Anglosphere) culture's psyche. I actually don't find old gods as interesting as the fictional deities/demons/gods etc people are coming up with in this and the last century for this reason actually. I mean they can be kind of interesting sometimes but Sheogorath and 40k chaos gods kind of describe our culture better honestly.

An anathema to order and peace, Khorne desires eternal war and to grind down both the domains of his brothers and realms of mortals beneath his hooves. He hates magic and thusly sits apart from his siblings, who make great use of it in their endeavors. He despises cowards, wizards, and Bloodshed is his chiefest and dearest desire. The Blood God has little room in his black heart for any other concern, caring nothing for the vast majority of his followers. They are merely tools in which he uses to acquire skulls and build his seat of power: The Skull Throne.

Khorne's rival for power is Tzeentch, the Sorceror God being second to him in power, territory size, and the origin of all magic which Kharneth patently despises. However, it is the youngest and most glamorous of the Gods that Khorne hates the most: Slaanesh, the Dark Prince of Chaos. Khorne views Slaanesh as honorless, frivolous, and weak and finds him not only the most loathsome of his siblings, but the most loathsome being in existence.

However, it is the youngest and most glamorous of the Gods that Khorne hates the most: Slaanesh, the Dark Prince of Chaos. Khorne views Slaanesh as honorless, frivolous, and weak and finds him not only the most loathsome of his siblings, but the most loathsome being in existence.

Slaanesh has little love for any of his siblings, but it is Khorne he deems the most objectionable. Finding the Blood God brutal and crass, Slaanesh has entertained a rivalry with Kharneth for countless millenia and their mutual hatred is eons old. To the God of Pleasure, Khorne is that very worst thing of all: boring.[10] Slaanesh takes deep satisfaction in particular in besting the Blood God and his daemons at their own game: bloody murder and battle.

That's Sheogorath's favourite line too.

You know who else is boring I guess? Elon Musk (hence my recent post lol and the way everyone reacts towards him.)

Hobby
The Six Seductions.

Angering Khorne.
Playing The Great Game.
Pleasurable Acts.
Frolicking[9]

=D

I love that.

It's not very hard though is it?

These are khorne's 'hobbies' according to the wiki page I'm reading:

Creating and controlling daemons.

Sitting upon his massive brazen throne which grows ever larger as more skulls are collected in his name.

It would be difficult at times, as the idea of a lesbian Artemis sexually engaging with my body felt at odds with Her virginal and asexual mythology. But what I was feeling was real, and was with Her. She wanted it. And I could sense early on that the way She liked having sex was just as unique as my own preferences (later, I would figure out Her desires were more ace-oriented, again, not unlike myself)

Please see footnote four again. Also, consider that gods tend to present themselves to us in the ways we need to see. "Artemis likes ace sex" seems like an obvious conclusion for an ace woman who wants to have ace sex. [...]

I'm not sure what this means. I know ace means asexual, I mean like what type of sex this is describing.

I feel like some part of my body was designed to communicate with deities in a special and even scary way. Like there is a spiritual hole in my chest, a divine orifice. A glove a god can easily slip on and access.

Trans pagans are likely to be possessed and ridden by deities.7 [BEEP] pagan writers think gods seem to like something about transgender bodies. Is our transition holy? Do they see themselves in us? Do they like us? Pity us? Do they find us admirable, maybe a little more than attractive?

I have felt it at times. Artemis slipping in, feeling things out, rearranging the interior of my mind. Getting things in order. The feeling is beautiful and scary. She and the other gods know I'm not ready yet. But one day, it's going to be asked of me. To give my body and mind to them for short stints of time, 10 or 15 minutes, and do some bidding.

This kind of thought process is going to come up again later in this post.

I have far less shame now than I used to, and the topic of god sex itself seems to come up more and more in conversation whenever I discuss paganism in [BEEP] erotic circles.

god sex is highly stigmatized in the pagan community. I find that silly, of course, given polytheistic mythology is filled with deities fucking humans. It seems obvious to me gods would still be doing the same thing in 2024. [...]

But look, many pagans grew up in religions like Christianity, where sex was seen as shameful and antithetical to religion. The idea that religion has nothing to do with sex is a strong one in American culture. So, I get it. That is an uphill battle and it's not a fight I really want to get involved in, because I have no interest in becoming a pagan influencer. I am skeptical of pagan content creators as a whole.

It's an open secret though that plenty of [BEEP] pagans have had sexual encounters with gods. It's also a closed one. Many middle-class pagans hide their spirituality because they work in places where worshiping Hades could get you fired. Imagine if your local he/they twink H&R Block accountant admitted to fucking Dionysos as well.

Uh I've mentioned in previous posts that a lot of [BEEP] people (and Bronze Age Pervert who seems closeted to me,) turn their sexuality into some kind of religion. They're usually approaching it from that side of things too like sexuality > religion. There is some overlap with fascism and far right politics sometimes too.

Bronze Age Pervert:

I always loved the statues of the kouroi. I can safely say that upon viewing such statue by myself for three hours (someone let me in to look alone in museum), I was able to ejaculate without touching myself. But I had no dirty or untoward thoughts the entire time.

I have no doubt that the gods, if they exist, would look only like perfected and improved versions of beautiful physiques of young men, just like they showed themselves to the Greek oracles in dreams. They were the first to discover the true biological and physical form of the man, the correct form, the true proportions. I have no doubt also that this force, in being inside us together with others, has made human history, life, and our own minds the battleground and stage of its action, and that passivity in the face of its power is therefore absurd: it calls on us to allow ourselves to be possessed by it, and to wage war on its behalf against its enemies

^ as I said the thought process from before has come up again. Now with war.

Elisar von Kupffer:

Let's talk about Elisar von Kupffer. Who is he? What's he famous for?

So Elisar von Kupffer is a- It's funny. I'm actually looking for the right noun, right? I don't know whether to call him an artist or religious leader, an activist, a fascist. He's all the above.

But he?s a man who lives between 1872 and 1942. He?s born in what is now present-day Estonia, as part of the class of Baltic German overlords there, and throughout the course of his life, he assembles the first ever anthology of gay literature, which is called The Love of Favourites and Friendly Love in World Literature, which is published in Berlin in 1900.3 He creates a new religion called Klarismus or Clearism, which combines medievalist and Christian iconography with ideas about that kind of universal, transcendent spiritual androgyny that he gets out of readings and misreadings of Persian literature and of the classical era. He creates a series of artistic works culminating in the 30-metre cyclorama painting called The Clear World of the Blessed,4 which depicts the Claristic utopia in which many naked androgynes - all of which bear either his face, the face of his life partner Eduard von Mayer, or the face of a favourite local model, "Gino" Luigi Taricco - are depicted.

His work throughout his entire career is informed by a biological racism that understands human cultural output as being rooted entirely in climate and race, which are understood to be linked. For this reason, for example, he settles in Italian Switzerland because he understands it as being a bisexual climate: there?s the Mediterranean homosexual climate and race type, and in the German Alpine, heterosexual climate and race type.5 And so, he?s found in Ticino6 a bisexual climate. That's maybe a more humorous example of this biological determinism. But this also leads him to subscribe to antisemitic conspiracy theories, to be described by Nazi officials as a devoted hater of the Jews, and to several attempts to collaborate with Nazi politicians in order to secure state support and funding for this artwork and for this religious project. He fails, but not for lack of trying, including several extremely warm letters written to Adolf Hitler at the end of Kupffer?s life, where he really praises Hitler, his political project and identifies them as political allies.7

So Kupffer is a really complex, controversial and strange figure. I hope very much that this article is being published alongside some images of his artwork as well, because you really do need to see this art to believe it. It is, I like to joke, mercifully inimitable. It?s really something.

There's also some really interesting thinking that's been done about the ways that fascist German masculinity of that period - and this all comes from the theorist Klaus Theweleit16 - was really based on tremendously visceral fear and disgust of the female body, especially the working-class female body, as a source of unregulated desires and impulses and flows that were not properly contained within the rationally governed armour of the proper male body politic. And I think Kupffer, while he depicts a really different male body politic - a much more androgynous male body politic -, he's still depicting this extremely rational control and governed place where everything is in its right position. And I think some of the same fears and disgusts of the sexual, as opposed to the erotic, or the ungoverned body are still really visibly present in his work.

Jack Donovan too (he worshipped Khorne basically.. Like hyper masculine war/violence. I actually think he disowned a lot of his earlier writing so yeah. I went to his twitter earlier in the year or something and he'd tweeted something about how a lot of the self help spiritual stuff right wing men are doing reminds him of lesbians decades ago and he found that amusing):

One figure DiBranco highlights is Jack Donovan, whose theories of "gang masculinity" she writes, compel "men to form warrior gangs to escape domestication of women." Indeed, Donovan is an important figure. Tracking his movements across the far right reveals much about the relationships and ideas propelling it in fresher directions.

"Donovan advocates 'androphilia,' by which he means love or sex between masculine men. He doesn't call himself gay, rejects gay culture as effeminate, and justifies homophobia as a defense of masculinity rooted in the male gang's collective survival needs. This might sound like self-hatred, but Donovan isn't hiding or apologizing for his own sexuality; he's defining it in a way that's radically at odds with prevailing LGBT politic."

"Masculinity is a religion, and I see potential for androphiles to become its priests," Donovan wrote in Androphilia, "to devote themselves to it" in a way that men who understand their manliness through women -- in quantifying the number they've slept with or measuring "men's rights" against "women's rights" -- can't. And so androphiles like Donovan have found common ground with the gender-traditionalists and male-advocacy groups elsewhere in the messy carnival of the new right, where reactions to women range from outright hostility to benign disinterest.

And they're not interested in [BEEP] solidarity, either. "Apart from Camille Paglia, of course, I can't think of any interesting lesbians," gay white nationalist James O'Meara told me in an interview. Or as Donovan said, "I think most of them are so married to feminism that I don't think that's even an option."

I agree with some of Paglia's takes but mostly she writes to appeal to men and from a male viewpoint which is why they like her writing. They don't like women or femininity usually but especially women.

This I guess:



I'm assuming her:

"I think of myself, my own body, as a goddess but I also think of you as a goddess and you as a god," Aurora says to me.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I mean it comes across a lot in her music.

On her fourth album, The Gods We Can Touch, Aurora brings heaven and hell back to Earth. She sends shivers down our spines as we convert to her coven descended from the Garden of Eden, the 21st-century children of Eve. As she was the first one to eat the forbidden fruit, we are the first ones to feel no shame when embracing the pleasure and essence of who we are within. Subverting biblical symbolism, inspired by the bravery of the [BEEP] community and pantheon of Greek gods, Aurora ascended to a self-assembled studio in a 400-year-old castle in Norway to give birth to a painfully beautiful project. It's a joy-sprouting celebration of diversity: the message of love embedded there has the power to melt even the coldest and the hardest of hearts.

What I liked about it is to see the mythology of the Western world that I actually resonated with. There's not so much with the modern Western world that I connect with because the Western world throughout history has brought so much destruction and abuse to the world which is very sad. I like Greek mythology because it included more imperfections. They have more room for humane. They have gods and goddesses to celebrate the very things that modern religion puts shame upon like being a woman, being gay, drinking wine, being sexual, being trans. They all had gods to celebrate these things so I wonder what happened on the way, where we lost that kind of freedom? Why do we have the need to impose control on each other with religion? Because faith is a very beautiful thing, it's a big part of being a human, this spiritual side.

Expresses slightly differently depending on the individual. This is why Jordan Peterson decided to convert to Christianity for real btw LOL. He spoke in interviews about how basically with no defence you just get ruled by your lowest instincts and by sex goddesses (usually a goddess he said because it's usually a feminine figure.) I cba trying to dig up the interview where he talked about this. So I'm paraphrasing a bit. He talked about Freud then as well.

I have realised there is some kind of semi conscious war here between spiritual femininity and masculinity as well.

I refuse to accept that Christianity, or the Abrahamic religions, are the solution though.

So boring to me:



I could have used some help from the daedric prince of biscuits recently (as I was making some.) Or not. That doesn't usually go well in the video games lol.

Most people are uncomfortable with people blending the transcendental with sexuality. But most people are uncomfortable with sexuality in general. It makes sense since I've just described how it's dangerous but religion in general can be dangerous.

Lol you're in a parasocial relationship with greek goddesses I'm in a parasocial relationship with a librarian forest elf witch character currently using 1970s/1980s Geddy's form we are not the same.



II. Apollo Bringer of Wisdom

'I bring truth and understanding,
I bring wit and wisdom fair,
Precious gifts beyond compare.
We can build a world of wonder,
I can make you all aware'

III. Dionysus Bringer of Love

'I bring laughter, I bring Music,
I bring joy and I bring Tears
I will soothe your primal fears
Throw off those chains of Reason
And your prison disappears'

The cities were abandoned
And the forests echoed song
They danced and lived as brothers
They knew Love could not be wrong

(Not quoting all the lyrics to this.)

I basically wrote the bolded dichotomy as a teenager as well. I know it's just obvious symbolically but it feels creepy lol because I didn't have much if any familiarity with any of this really at the time.

I'm not including this because it fits I'm including it because after writing most of this post I started listening to this song for the first time ever lol. It actually autoplayed after another song I was listening to. Because the same ideas are everywhere.

I think I read about this song's plot before though on wikipedia.

(I also know Neil not Geddy wrote the lyrics to all their songs after the first album including Trees - the most foresty song - yeah.)

V. Cygnus Bringer of Balance

I have memory and awareness
But I have no shape or form
As a disembodied spirit
I am dead and yet unborn

I have passed into Olympus
As was told in tales of old
To the City of Immortals
Marble white and purest gold

I see the Gods in battle rage on high
Thunderbolts across the sky
I cannot move, I cannot hide
I feel a silent scream begin inside

Then all at once the chaos ceased
A stillness fell, a sudden peace
The Warriors felt my silent cry
And stayed their struggle, mystified

Apollo was astonished
Dionysus thought me mad
But they heard my story further
And they wondered, and were sad

Looking down from Olympus
On a world of doubt and fear
Its surface splintered into
Sorry hemispheres.

They sat a while in silence
Then they turned at last to me
'We will call you Cygnus
The God of Balance you shall be'

Neil was clearly talking about Guthix here LOL. Decades before:

Guthix (pronounced /ˈɡʌθɪks/ GUH-thicks[4]) was the god of balance and the last surviving member of the Naragi race. As the first of the young gods to arrive on Gielinor, he welcomed the goddess Seren and introduced various races. Guthix believed that balance should govern all things, and he brought these races--unaware of gods and unaligned with good or evil--to Gielinor to live in harmony with nature, allowing them the freedom to make their own choices.[5] His vision for maintaining balance, however, faltered with the arrival of other powerful deities. Guthix was known for his serious and decisive nature.

Guthix, the god of balance, desired a world where mortals could live in peace and harmony, free from the influence of gods. After banishing the other deities from Gielinor, he hoped that, in time, they would be forgotten by their followers, preferring a world where mortals neither fought in the name of the gods nor even knew of their existence. Though he recognised that this ideal was unlikely, it remained his deepest wish. This is why he chose to retreat into slumber beneath the earth, longing to be forgotten himself, as he too was a god.

The god was a benevolent entity who wished the best for mortals, thinking the best environment was one of balance. This would entail equal amounts of war and peace, chaos and order, nature and culture, et cetera. Likewise, he expected his followers to live in balance with their world and respect it.[7] Guthix approved of morally evil acts if it would serve balance, so long as there would not be an excess of evil nor good[8]

There is a common misconception about Guthix, which is that he was the god of peace or tranquillity. While this holds some truth, seeing that Guthix sought to create a world of balance where mortals could live in peace without the interference of gods, balance does not equal peace. Rather, he desires for peace to have an equal amount of war to counter it, as evidenced by the founding of the militant Void Knights to complement the pacifistic druids.

=D

(Uses the word void, I'm easily entertained.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r55snAYQcs

The Void Knights are the main human fighting force of Guthix. Their duty is to maintain the balance that Guthix created in Gielinor. Originally this entailed the occasional assassination, however in recent years creatures from another dimension have broken into Gielinor and occupied many identical islands in the far south. The presence of these creatures upset the balance. So, several Void Knights' Outposts have been established to monitor and close the portals on these islands. However the creatures have become more aggressive and have overrun some of the outposts. The Void Knights call adventurers to help them seal the portals through the Pest Control minigame.

I've said this before but I love how the writing is similar to Terry Pratchett lol:

Jack: When I was a kid, some druids discovered runes, apparently created by Guthix himself, for us to use.
Player: By Guthix?
Jack: Yes, he's created countless numbers of them, storing them all over the place, so, soon after their discovery, the world was dubbed RuneScape. We've long returned to calling it Gielinor, but like many things of importance, different people call it by different names.
Player: I suppose magic has developed over the years?
Jack: Vastly! Many spells have been discovered and we keep finding different types of runes. Researchers have even started writing what they call 'spellbooks' - grouping together different types and categories of spells. The druids are becoming more commonly known as wizards, and are choosing to wear robes and pointy hats. It'll never catch on; it's a silly look.

After four millennia of warring, Guthix awoke, ended the wars, and banished all gods, much to their followers' dismay. Nearly twenty-two centuries later, his cave was discovered and Guthix was murdered by the Zarosian Mahjarrat Sliske, shattering the Edicts he put in place after the God Wars.

Boo.

what if you got to heaven and found out all the gods are tgirl chasers. thousand-year-old goddesses really into the gock. call you brave and valid and ask how big it is in the same breath. stresses they've got an IUD and prefer it raw. i think i would die a second time from being too hard

Someone should let that Italian chaser I posted about before know. Only for her to get rejected again because everyone is just larping lol.

[Nyctophilia]

Would you atleast consider that hookup culture disproportionately affects women in a negative way?

I see more men complain about it than women overall.

I'm a man and I despise hook-up culture either way. The fact of the matter is that whenever you go to a party in circles where there is a hookup culture, the average experience of a guy is about 10 rejections and a 50/50 shot he get's lucky by the end of the night. The average experience of a girl is rejecting 10 guys and going for the best or 2nd best option, but if she turns down to many guys she might have overplayed her hand and be left emptyhanded.

The simple truth behind this is that a man that isn't able to pull will be seen as having failed to impress or court any of the girls present. If a girl doesn't go home with someone by the end of the night, it is seens as none of the men having met her standards. In this example the 'stock' of the man goes down and the 'stock' of the woman goes up.

If both a man and a woman manage to hook up, people will view the guy as succesful in scoring a girl while people will believe that the girl has had her standards met.

Now imagine a girl sleeps with 100 guys. Is it really that easy to meet her standards? If they are so low is a guy any special for her wanting to be with him? Also how disposable are men to her if she slept with and discarded 100 before him?

For a guy this is different. People will think "wow, that dude managed to meet the standards of a 100 girls".

Well... My controversial opinion actually is that I respect promiscuous women more than promiscuous men because they're going against gender stereotypes and social expectations which requires more self confidence. They also mostly bottom during penetrative sex which I can't do (or I've never wanted to,) so that's impressive too. I respect bottoms a lot.

Overcoming the instinctive fear response to men is very impressive too (from reading her tweets I gather she actually has a lower than average fear response to men like in terms of safety and is more affected by social judgement. Suspending a typical fear response would be even more impressive):

"I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear." - Nelson Mandela

From the outside, it might seem like I am fearless in my sexual adventures, like I'm a confident slut running wildly from penis to penis.

This isn't true at all. All the best risks I've taken my life, all the sexual choices I've made that have revoked society's blessing on me - I've done despite experiencing sheer terror. I am not immune to the heavyhanded social narratives that I must be damaging myself somehow, that no man will ever want me, that sluts are deeply bad, in some abstract, unspecified way. Those narratives make me seize with fear. It's just I figure the fear must be unfounded - when I examine myself, I can't find any actually bad thing. This method has resulted in tons of joy, adventure, and fulfillment in my life.

There is no inherent badness to a penis entering my vagina. So I force my feet to move forward, into the den of forty-two men all jacking off in identical bathrobes, while I?m screaming internally, in the same way I scream when about to go on stage for a performance.

Men who are promiscuous don't really impress me, if they're tops.



Lol (sorry couldn't resist,) the reason why is some of them are quite aggressive and pushy which I don't personally appreciate (not even just with promiscuous men, I just don't like aggressive approaches in general. Like the guy who kissed me at a party out of nowhere can you not?) But I think for guys who aren't famous or whatever (and maybe even some who are,) that's the approach they have to take to get sex. I'm sure women can be too especially when drunk but they don't usually have to be which helps a little.

I don't get the impression that the guys who pursue that are lacking in confidence very often either. Maybe they are but I don't think so. I think the guys who lack in confidence don't try to live that lifestyle in the first place. At least not actively. Especially these days.

If a guy has a really difficult time approaching women and does I can appreciate that but again completely different thing.

I also like stories/fantasies/whatever about male sex workers. They've usually been having sex with men though.

I can respect men for other things that correlate with having a lot of sex too like being a famous musician, but being able to attract people for sex doesn't make me admire them more. In fact I probably prefer them to be as discreet about their popularity as possible and to be mostly invisible to women, because it helps with the parasocial fantasy. You know like when women buy romance books where a guy on the cover has six pack abs and a pair of glasses?



I'm sure this is doing the same thing.

Lol the voice she puts on at like 3:37 in this video sounds exactly like that one chracter from Daria... (Sandy):



Some people find it easier than others to suspend disbelief though. I'm not a six pack abs and a pair of glasses person though lol (I mean I have a thing about skinny guys for some weird reason, so there's also that.)

*stares at this video for 72 years*



And then you meet some nerdy guys and they're actually just insufferable (like me lol,) and have a superiority complex sometimes.

It helps if women are like 'wtf you find him attractive?' Though.

"If you have to ask you just don't understand."

You know like how some people want people to envy them because of their partner and talk about that?

No, we're talking about facial beauty here. Ladyboys have, generally, better features. They have that slight androgyny which is always present in real beauty. I mean, who wants an instantly forgettable Suzie Creamcheese clone? Okay, I grant you, the most beautiful natal women in the world are simply stunning, but just how many Angelina Jolies, aged 22, with no kids or significant airhead are there out there? Without heads filled up with feminist pish about 'career'? And who are prepared to be seen in public with a scruff like you?

See here's a thing: very few women can dress, and it's even worse now than it used to be. You know, if I'm taking a girl out, I like her to be showing plenty of leg, a decent amount of bosom and looking like a cross between Isis and Helen of Troy with her [BEEP] on fire meeting a K-pop bimbo band. I expect every other man to be giving her that look, then that look of resentment at me when she pulls close, telling them, 'You can [BEEP] right off, mate, I'm taken.' That makes me feel smug. Cock-blocking is soooo satisfying; the only thing better is les-blocking.

(Yes this is a real guy somehow.)

And some women make decisions about partner based on other women finding that guy attractive. What's it called... There's a term for this as a phenomenon that I've seen people use lol, but I can't remember.

I'm like that but the opposite sometimes.



I like him more already.

Tumblr takes this to extremes sometimes I notice.

Also I want to watch a spin off show about Orin.

But yeah anyway, if someone doesn't seem very interested in a long term relationship I can see why that would be off putting in general.

"what?s your body count?" His immaturity shines through. Try watching the episode with Amala. It's so cringe.

Also "body count" always makes me think of murder.

I was thinking does MCR have the word body count in a song. Not quite..



And if you stay, all I'm asking for is
A thousand bodies piled up
I never thought would be enough
To show you just what I've been thinking

And someone has counted sort of or something (I'm not going to bother quoting the EP's and live albums etc though you can find them in the link):

https://loudwire.com/my-chemical-rom...unt-per-album/

Album: 'I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love'

Fatalities: Staked vampire, Man in ?Honey? video, woman in the ?Vampires? video, zombie lover, ?1,000 bodies piled up,? ?think happy thoughts,? Demolition Lovers

Total: ~1,007

Album: 'Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge'

Fatalities: A wedding party, "she," dying wish, Hotel Bella Muerte, coffin door, bathroom floor, us

Total Kills: ~14

One of my favourites was the ending of I Never Told You What I Do for a Living.

Album: 'The Black Parade'

Fatalities: Patient, she, you, [BEEP] that I've done, we (troop), "make them pay"

Total Kills: ~38

'Danger Days: The True Lives Of The Fabulous Killjoys'

Fatalities: Jet Star, Kobra Kid, Party Poison, Fun Ghoul, music video Draculoids (34+), ?kill everybody? (innumerable), kill the party

Total Kills: ~58

So notalgic.

[Nyctophilia]

Watching this again (still haven't finished.)

Myron: "You wouldn't date me when I act feminine."

Myron if I had disposable income I would pay you to act feminine indead of whatever the hell this is. You know those men who think women are annoying because they have a girlboss attitude? (What he's getting at when he says succesful women are annoying to many men.) You are basically the same but worse.

Lol the 'body count' thing came up in this video too. Yeah once again just makes me think of kill count.

Brings a whole new meaning to la petite mort.

Lol I'm glad he uploaded this seperately because it was a great part of the video it was from (which was much longer):

[Nyctophilia]

So Vlad is in New York this time ('dressed as a woman' to see how people react.) Once again this never happens in the UK getting random sexual comments from guys at night... Even being approached in general is rare. I used to get more comments when I dyed my hair during the day but those were mostly just compliments. I've had people ask questions about band t-shirts too. And as I've said before drunk people can be annoying rarely.

Removed the video because one thing that happens in it is also probably a bit too messed up to post.

One thing I will say is:

Spoiler: He gives off a lot of vulnerability cues in the videos. It stood out to me before that how he acts isn't how most women do especially just continuing to talk to some strangers instead of just walking off and things like that. But the actual way he walks is incredibly inadvisable - most people don't do this instinctively - but I just checked the guide and what he's doing is basically the opposite of what they suggest lol. He just sort of meanders.

So it basically just shows how disgusting a certain percentage of men are with the things they say and/or do when you don't have any defenses against them but who didn't know that lol?

I wouldn't say his experiences - especially the frequency - are a reasonable expectation of what will happen to the average woman (since they don't act this way.) Thinking about it it might explain why trans women get into lots of issues though if they're not instinctively doing certain things and again stand out more.

People are denying this in the comments and it's like yes some women might act like him, and these are women who unfortunately will have repeated unpleasant encounters at a higher rate than average. It's considered offensive to point this out though but yeah unfortunately those guys are always going to be around because some of them are on drugs/inebriated, some of them are just too stupid to understand basic social norms/boundaries and some are just innately predatory. Sometimes a combination of multiple of those three.

Vlad is a man doing social experiment that's why he's nice to all the dudes in the video including the rude ones. IRL women are even rude to the respectful men. Feels like being respectful isn't the bare minimum for women

Yes it's important as a defence mechanism, and not easy to switch on/off in certain environments. Nor should they really if they don't know you. I don't know how you can watch the video and not realise the importance of being cold to random guys.

A lot of women have trouble asserting themselves and want to be polite/nice and this is especially true for middle class women as there are class differences. It's not a good thing when dealing with guys like this. That one guy didn't listen to anything he said until he pushed him away and started being more assertive part of that could be the level of force used but it's also partly his attitude.



I don't feel super bad for that woman since she went there looking to start [BEEP] but considering he just responded that way as soon as he opened the door I'm not surprised he's being charged. I personally think if you're that worried don't answer the door because he didn't even wait to see who/what she wanted before spraying her with mace. Obviously she went there to at the very least argue with him, but then why open the door? Oh and I can't stand Nick Fuentes he's a brat with mummy issues mysteriously surrounded by androgynous nazis, but nevertheless.

"What force did she use against him?"

"She came right up to his front door."

...

She didn't even try to break in or something she knocked on the door lol.

"Someone shows up to your front door that you don't know."

"If someone knocks on the door that I don't know, I'm not opening the door period."

Same. I have social anxiety and have lived in some weird places lol.

Fresh joined this podcast to get IG models. Myron's alt-right turn was not what he Fresh signed up for

Myron seems like a generally unstable person to me so yeah. I don't watch most of their content just clips I've seen but Fresh seems mostly like a follower who wanted easy money so went along with this. He's not a great guy but seems to lack strong opinions and is now being dragged along for this crazy arc.

Myron is too dumb to realise (or doesn't care) that the money is in being a Ben Shapiro kind of grifter not doing what Nick Fuentes does. They're demonetised on a bunch of platforms now. He's just like 'guess I'll burn down everything.' Very disagreeable personality type when paired with relatively low intelligence and emotional dysregulation it basically equals a disaster which is what you have here. He doesn't know where the lines are politically speaking or doesn't care.

Fresh wants money and women I think. He's not a complicated person. I don't know how close they are but my guess is if they're not as close as people think then Fresh will eventually leave and Myron will just make content alone. The only thing probably keeping Fresh there is that he doesn't have a better gig lined up I assume. Myron's disagreeable asshole personality is why people paid any attention so Fresh can't do it alone and is really just kind of there most of the time. Now he's started arguing with him more he actually has more purpose.

[Otherside]

Apparently TV Licensing know when a new TV is bought. Personally, I'm going to call bullshit, it's up there with "we have magical TV detecting vans that can tell if you are watching live TV or IPlayer, but we've never actually been able to explain in a court of law, so it probably doesn't exist."

Very rare you even see the buggers, most people never really see them, just get a whole load of letters with an increasing amount of capital letters and red text. Only saw them the once at my uni flat. He was insistent he would just come back with a court warrant if I didn't let him in or if I didn't buy a TV livense there and then, which I told him to go ahead and do. Never came back. Probably didn't even try to get a warrant, I imagine that me not letting him in is not evidence that i am watching TV.

(I mean, I pay for one now because it gets me IPlayer, about the only reason otherwise I wouldn't bother. Number of times I've watched Live TV in the last year is not much. Maybe eurovision.)

[Nyctophilia]

This is a pretty weak argument tbh and I don't even agree with red pill philosophy but some women are infertile, sometimes couples can't have kids due to some vague incompatability (seems increasingly common these days, I hear many people talk about it,) or the guy is infertile (in which case women being able to have kids would be irrelevant,) and many women don't want kids so I wouldn't say they all bring the ability to have kids to the table.

I can have kids physically (well I assume maybe I can't lol never tried,) but I don't want to and would prefer to use a surrogate instead of being pregnant and giving birth. I'm non-binary though but he doesn't think that exists lol so whatever same point regardless. I'm not technically bringing that to the table. Besides eggs I guess.

Then of course you have older women who can't have kids due to age.

Not to mention these defences are useless in the long term and I'm always skeptical of them. Eventually we will have artificial wombs, and probably IVG (I suspect IVG will be available before artificial wombs in fact):

Scientists are a step closer to making IVF eggs from patients’ skin cells after adapting the procedure that created Dolly the sheep, the first cloned mammal, more than two decades ago.

The work raises the prospect of older women being able to have children who share their DNA, and to overcome common forms of infertility caused by a woman’s eggs becoming damaged by disease or cancer treatment.

The radical procedure, which may take a decade to perfect and approve in humans, would also enable male couples to have genetically related children, since the men’s DNA could be combined in the fertilised egg and carried to term by a surrogate mother.

"Should this technology become clinically viable in the future, it holds the potential to revolutionise IVF and offer hope to many infertile patients who have lost gametes due to disease, ageing or cancer treatments,” said Aleksei Mikhalchenko, the first author on the study, at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland, US. Gametes are sperm and egg cells.

And then somehow people who despise each other except for this one thing in a few cases (and for many that's not enough of course,) will have to find a way to at least tolerate each other without genocide etc.

It's not even just about not finding women or men attractive and choosing not to date, it's the resentment and contempt that a lot of people have that causes problems.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ggs-skin-cells

Scientists around the world are working on several approaches to create eggs and sperm in the lab. Last year, Japanese researchers created eggs from the skin cells of male mice, leading to the birth of mouse pups with two fathers. Other teams hope to create sperm and eggs from embryonic stem cells, which are versatile enough to form any tissue in the body.

While many countries, including the UK, outlaw the use of artificial sperm and eggs to treat infertile couples, advances in the coming years may drive calls to permit the procedures if they are deemed safe and effective.

I don't know why people aren't talking about this kind of thing more. In about 10-20 years I think, the main thing blocking this will be purely legal not technological impossibility.

It's not just relevant to relationships either but personhood. If you don't like how trans women, older childless women, and women who are seen as feminist and refusing motherhood are treated now than you should know all women will be treated like that (to varying degrees,) after artificial wombs are created and start being used. Just like how most male roles have been impacted by technology, and most female roles have been impacted by technology (cooking and cleaning is very different now then hundreds of years ago.)

It's going to be a real wakeup call for women whose identity is centred around motherhood which is very heavily rooted in reproduction for a lot of people and I do see devaluing of adopted parents so obviously in this case it's the same as using a surrogate but these men like Steven Crowder - great example - have an extreme amount of contempt for women. The attitude is something like "Well I'm rich, so you have to match this somehow by doing everything I want always." Then he complains about divorce laws when his wife divorces him lol.

So it's going to increase even more if now you're not giving birth. I don't think conservative women will handle this well at all except in the sense that those communities have an aversion to technology built into their culture. If you merged the liberal openness to technology and new cultural stuff with the conservative male contempt of women that Steven Crowder has and I know not all guys who are technically conservative have this but the most popular US influencers often do now. If you merged those together it would be like a nightmare and in some ways that is the redpill guys they're like the worst of both worlds. Guys like Myron.

Same with sex robots and such as they become more advanced. You're not going to want your identity to be rooted in relationships really...

I'm not against the technology though I'm really in favour of artificial wombs but I also see how it's going to negatively effect people because of their contempt.

I feel like otherkin/therians/catgirls/puppygirls etc are onto something in a sense because we have a much more positive opinion of non-Human animals than each other lol....

[Nyctophilia]

Lol someone posted this video. It's funny because in a lot of ways being creative is seen as worse than homosexual in Western culture now. It's also funny because Jordan Peterson did this with genderfluid people:



^ the funniest part of that interview is still when he says that Bowie, Prince etc 'weren't exactly androgynous that's not the right word' but they 'manifested a higher order integration of masculine and feminine and that made them charismatic.' Wow if only there was a word for that like androgynous. Lol.

They are both actually mentioned on the wikipedia page for androgynous too. And this wikipedia list of androgynous people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ogynous_people

This is a list of notable people who have been described at any time as androgynous in their persona or presentation, either by self-identification or in reliable sources.

I didn't know this page existed if it's edited often this is going to be useful for me in finding guys I think.

David Bowie

Prince

So you just mean they weren't gay? Yes we know.

No it's not a very thorough list lol. Also doesn't even have the cutest 1970s guy =O:



Is it because he's wearing denim? Because I think we should forgive him for that because of his hair and the boots.

I don't know if anyone has ever said Geddy Lee is androgynous. Some people were insulting him and saying he looked like a witch (I mean witches are hot but they meant it insultingly,) and everyone thought he was a woman while listening to him sing apparently and post about that online. (I didn't because the first time I listened to Rush was a live stage performance on TV.) But yeah they're looking for official sources.

It does have that one guy Bladee. I saved an image of him a few years ago. He's not bad looking.

Doesn't include IAMX or Patrick Wolf or Sephiroth.

What Sephiroth is real. People's reactions to him when they have no exposure to Japanese anime or video games is funny you can always tell when they don't because Sephiroth is actually pretty masculine by those standards but people who aren't familiar will always seemingly get confused:



I just found this video now he's bonkers lol. He just starts talking about Wuthering Heights as well. Reminds me of my posts.

Just realized Jeff goldblum is what tommy wiseau thinks he is lmao.

Kinda I think The Room was about Jeff Goldblum.

But The Room also wishes it was this film:



Her yelling sounds like the entire scene is about to transform into a 2000s nu metal song or something.

Jeffree Star

You included this:



But not this:



This is racist to British people and goths. (I know this music isn't goth. I just discovered his music via a gen x goth woman on livejournal in the 2000s.)

Also if you squint it can be goth:





I'm being generous Jeffree has much worse songs than the one I included in this post. Oh and he has a very popular makeup brand he's mostly known for but I don't care that isn't music.

I actually think a lot of the correlation for both gay guys and non-binary people with creativity comes from bisexuality or non monosexual sexual orientations though. (Gay guys because a lot of people round up to being homosexual or because they're just bisexual in the first place like David Bowie, or sometimes even straight but androgynous so people assume gay and non-binary because there's a big overlap again with bisexuality and then creativity again.)

This personality type:

Richard A. Lippa proposed that there exist two dimensions of sexual orientation: a gender typicality dimension, and a monosexuality dimension. With the gender typicality dimension being associated with the heterosexual-homosexual distinction, while the sociosexuality dimension has many behavioral effects. He proposes someone who would be at any point in the heterosexual-homosexual spectrum will become bisexual if they are high on the sociosexuality dimension. This dimension being associated with higher sociosexuality, higher neuroticism, lower agreeableness, lower honesty-humility, higher openness to experience, and a minor degree of gender nonconformity.[70] He proposes this as explaining phenomena such as increased juvenile delinquency among bisexuals,[71] increased mental health issues and substance use disorder among bisexuals,[72] and increased dark triad traits among bisexual women.[73]Critics of this theory have described elements observed as coming from experiences of biphobia,[70] but Lippa counters that these phenomena are present even among heterosexual identifying people with some same sex attraction, who would likely be heterosexual passing.[70][74]

Openness to experience correlates with creativity, as measured by tests of divergent thinking.[14] Openness has been linked to both artistic and scientific creativity as professional artists, musicians, and scientists have been found to score higher in openness compared to members of the general population.[15]

https://gwern.net/doc/psychology/per...2020-allen.pdf

Results showed that bisexual individuals reported higher levels of openness than homosexual individuals, who in turn, reported higher levels of openness than heterosexual individuals. Bisexual individuals also report lower levels of conscientiousness than both heterosexual and homosexual individuals.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...9265662400014X

The bolded below is a big part of why conservative people have issues with various people:

Sexual orientation personality differences mostly focus on three categories--heterosexual, gay/lesbian, and bisexual. A recent meta-analysis drew from studies published from 1972 to 2020, in which samples were clinical populations, non-U.S. national probability samples, and several convenience samples. They found personality differences in open-mindedness, neuroticism, and conscientiousness while extraversion and agreeableness showed mostly no differences between heterosexual, gay/lesbian, and bisexual people (Allen & Robson, 2020). Bisexual people were on average less conscientious than heterosexual (d = 0.35) or gay/lesbian people (0.21). Neuroticism was higher in both bisexual (0.29) and gay/lesbian people (0.15) than heterosexual people with no difference between bisexual and gay/lesbian people. Bisexual people reported higher open-mindedness than heterosexual (0.35) or gay/lesbian people (0.16) and gay/lesbian people were more open-minded than heterosexual people (0.30; Allen & Robson, 2020). Overall, open-mindedness and neuroticism differences showing that heterosexual people are lowest in both are some of the most consistent past findings.

Similar to past research, women and men differed in neuroticism, and as we hypothesized nonbinary people were greater in open-mindedness than either men or women. Women and nonbinary people were more similar to each other in neuroticism (0.17) and were more distinctly different from men (0.49?0.66). Open-mindedness was greater in nonbinary people than men or women as would be expected, but we did not find men to be more open-minded than women which had been found previously (Bogaert et al., 2018, Lippa, 2010). Unlike past research, we did not find women to be more extraverted than men, nor was the difference in agreeableness between men and women large (d = 0.13). These results suggest that some of the stereotypical differences between men and women, like women being trusting, compassionate and friendly (high agreeableness), may not be found in present day, while social stresses and stigmatization still lead minority people like women and nonbinary people to be more neurotic.

For gender identities, mean differences at the personality trait level manifested for all but extraversion among any two groups (see Table 2). There were large observed differences in neuroticism between nonbinary people and men (d = 0.66, 95% CI [0.49, 0.85]) and men and women (−0.49 [-0.62, -0.37]). While there were small to medium differences in open-mindedness between nonbinary people and men (0.30 [0.10, 0.48]) and women (0.18 [0.02, 0.36]), aesthetic sensitivity is what differed the most between nonbinary participants and men (0.60 [0.43, 79]) and less so with women (0.28 [0.12, 0.45]). Nonbinary participants and women were similar in neuroticism. Broadly, nonbinary participants reported lower conscientiousness, higher neuroticism, and higher open-mindedness than men; women reported higher neuroticism and slightly higher agreeableness than men.

A 2021 study of non-binary LGBTQ adults in the US found that the majority of non-binary adults identified their sexual orientation as [BEEP] (31%), bisexual (17%), pansexual (17%), or asexual (14%). The study also found that non-binary adults are more likely to experience economic instability, with 68% reporting not having enough money to make ends meet.

https://statsinsights.hillstrategies...ltural-workers

This is from Canada:

1 in every 20 non-binary people who work is an artist.
1 in every 51 transgender people who work is an artist.
1 in every 92 cisgender women who work is an artist.
1 in every 115 cisgender men who work is an artist.

So yes but also no. Alan Moore isn't genderfluid but clearly has has great taste in windows (and rings):



It's actually illegal for him to come out as genderfluid atm because otherwise every cis guy who looks like him will just be a right wing conservative Norwegian who collects knives and hangs out in the forest like the guy in my previous post. The forest part is cool as is rambling about Odin in one video but Alan Moore is a wizard and doesn't have videos freaking out about trans guys transistioning and gilette ads sooo.

Not really though, unless the UK government decides to make that illegal which it gradually is trying to do with trans people.

Also I guess in an indirect way Jordan did this again recently lol when he decided to tweet about how all liberal men were gay while insulting liberals (I can't remember exactly what he said but the gist was pointing out that whatever minority of liberal men are left are gay.) Which was very mature of him as a public intellectual (tm.) Oh the liberal creative thing is explained later in the post:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33346911/

Beyond Openness to Experience and Conscientiousness: Testing links between lower-level personality traits and American political orientation

Introduction: Research has consistently revealed positive correlations between political liberalism and Openness to Experience, and between conservatism and Conscientiousness. Most of this research has made use of domain-level models of the Big Five personality traits. Recent work suggests, however, that each Big Five trait domain can be divided into distinct aspects or facets, which offer more nuanced characterizations of each trait.

[...]

Results: Across both personality measures, liberal political orientation showed distinct positive associations with the lower-level traits Openness/Aesthetic Sensitivity, Intellect/Intellectual Curiosity, Compassion, and Withdrawal/Depression, as well as distinct negative associations with Orderliness/Organization, Politeness, and Assertiveness.

I do think conservatives tend to be more polite than liberals, but it's confused somewhat by the left wing women who are basically the reason the euphemism treadmill exists and the far right and certain right wing social media figures who tend to be very disagreeable.

Conservatives who aren't polite don't really work though because the whole point of conservatives is it's supposed to be fun corrupting them. What are you even supposed to do with someone like Steven Crowder?

"This ones broken"



I'm sure I watched the whole of that set on YouTube before ages ago but I can't find it now.

Looks like she has a newer show though:



Lol I forgot she was bisexual. A bunch of her jokes here actually fits the rest of this post lol:

[Nyctophilia]

this actually made me cry. why is our own community so hateful to us?

I don't want potential dick crumbs on my sheets, strap, me or my aura

Bi woman don know what they wan & even if they chose the man they still wan the woman at the end. My ex gf first 1 ever is married wit a son. We dated back in 2010 in hi school she cheated on me w/my ex bf & I cheated back. Now 2024 she in my dms again sayin she wans me still & misses me.

Why do you have a ex boyfriend lol?

Also the 'aura' thing is so funny because I removed this from my post the other day where I linked this video but it's true:

Phoebe was also ironically the most bisexual character on the show (again not explicitly bisexual,) besides Carol (actually more than Carol tbh but that's because she's a bisexual stereotype,) and sung this song at one point:



^ This is actually not bad by 90s/2000s standards. Sex and the City was trying to be progressive for it's time and one of the worst.



"Ask her out she's not your cousin."

Can't believe they didn't include that line. I mean it's funnier if you watch all the clips though tbf:

I mean everyone is talking about Chandler being bi or gay but PHOEBE is just like openly bi

Bicurious at minimum.

"No stop cleansing my aura."

We all know it's bs, okay? But also ppl like this are so quick to switch up when the bi woman is hot. You know they're not gonna say that if Angelina Jolie or Megan Fox hit them up.

Oh coincidentally I was just reading about this again after googling some guy's name who got referenced on a sitcom and it turned out to be her ex husband. Unless she's changed her mind Megan Fox wouldn't date a bisexual woman either because she dislikes men:

With regard to relationships and her sexuality, Fox said that she has a general distrust and dislike of men,[102] and that the perception of her as a "wild and crazy sexpot" is false because she is asocial; Fox stated that she would rather stay at home instead of going out,[103][104] and emphasized that she cannot have sex with someone she does not love.[97][103] She is bisexual, and said she believes that "all humans are born with the ability to be attracted to both sexes".[105] She stated in 2009, "I have no question in my mind about being bisexual. But I'm also a hypocrite: I would never date a girl who was bisexual, because that means they also sleep with men, and men are so dirty that I'd never want to sleep with a girl who had slept with a man."[106]

Fox told InStyle in July 2021: "A girl would come up to me and be like: 'You had a lot to do with me, like identifying and understanding that I was gay or understanding that I was bisexual...' And that, of course, is by far, like, the most moving, rewarding thing that I have experienced in my life! To be a part of something that helped people figure that out, or helped people deal with that, or feel better about that. One of my favorite things that I get called, is being like, a bi icon and that is one of the things I am the most proud of!"[107]

I love how bisexual icons are just all bisexuals apparently lol.

The bar has gone further than hell and has no clipped into the backrooms.

Also lol:

"Currently seeking a girlfriend. Please submit applications in the DMs," Fox captioned the post, on which Kelly commented: "I don't think you have the filing capacity for this request."

righttt? i love lesbians but im starting to see that ALOT of them feel this way about us. Probably will stay away now

It's not necessarily lesbians doing this. Because it's the mindset of an incel and/or 'red pill' guy after all.