Random Thought of the Day

[Nyctophilia]

So its flooding in the UK again. That's not weird it happens here all the time. But it's interesting how far reaching the effect of that assassin in America who shot the health insurance CEO is. And bleak really. Like violence is constantly demonstrated to be the only way to get people's attention and make people think...

Although a cynical view would be "the only way to get people to virtue signal and change nothing."

The CEO of an insurance company in Thurmaston, Leicestershire, has been telling our BBC colleagues about the impact of floodwaters at his business, which resulted in staff being sent home.

"Never seen anything like it in 10 years," Troy Stevens tells 5 Live Breakfast .

"Arriving to work yesterday was literally like a river coming down the road, in to the car park, flowing through the doors of our office."

"We've probably not got a lot of sympathy being an insurance firm going through something like this, but it's put us in the mindset of anybody needing to make a claim in the future."

I don't know what form of insurance it is and I've never insured anything (as far as I remember. Technically maybe post I've sent or something) so have no idea how making a claim works in the UK. He's still obviously referencing that event and the response to it though.
Because he's a CEO.

I guess there is some irony here since they're going to have to make a claim now.

[Nyctophilia]

Some people were discussing antisemitic graffiti in Australia and questioning why that kind of thing keeps happening in Australia (I don't know if it's more common there personally, or what they mean exactly since stuff like that seems to happen everywhere. I don't pay tons of attention to Australia though.)

I had a lot of thoughts because I keep running into two sentiments from people like: 'why is x group targeted by so many people?' And also 'It's weird that diverse areas are so racist.' But neither are really weird. (People tend to prefer people who are similar to them so in a diverse community there will be more opportunities for clashes of course.) I don't know if people are genuinely confused or if they're just kind of expressing confusion as a way to say 'this is bad.'

Well I grew up in Sydney and moved to Cali as a teen (forever ago) since my father is originally from San Francisco. Australian cities are very multicultural and as such there is plenty of racism which blows my mind since most kids are exposed to a rich and diverse set of cultures and taught to appreciate the diversity (at least that was my experience).

Per capita, Australia has one of the highest Jewish populations but, Jewish culture is no way near as mainstream as it is in the US.

To answer your question I think Jews just been kinda flying under the radar in Australia until recently and it's makes me feel ill to see these headlines. Note also that Australians in general, seem to have a kind of inferiority complex where they want to shine brighter on the world stage. So when it becomes fashionable, acceptable and even celebrated to be a hater and an antisemite (oops sorry 'antizionist') I am not surprised by this image.

I am glad I am in the US let's just put it that way :/

It's usually the most multicultural environments where people have the most issues with other groups. And it goes in every direction too even within specific races. Many people have a simplistic view of this and tend to only think of tensions between white people and certain minority groups - that's absolutely a thing my dad is fairly racist - but it's actually very common (as one example) for Hindu and Muslim people to be attacking each other over here (in the UK I mean.) Eg this event in 2022 (but not limited to this, this just became a noticeable enough incident to gain media attention):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Leicester_unrest

In August and September 2022, Leicester, England, saw a period of religious and ethnic tension between predominately British Hindus and British Muslims of South Asian origin. The unrest saw rioting, protest marches, sloganeering and ethnic violence between the two populations. It was also preceded by social media campaigning, misinformation and hate propaganda. Muslim apprehensions of what they alleged as "Hindutva fascism" entering their neighbourhoods was evidently the main driver behind the unrest.[1][2] Community leaders and analysts point to the Indian celebrations following the India?Pakistan 2022 Asia Cup match on 28 August as a catalyst, which saw a reaction from Pakistani fans.[5]

Like most British cities, Leicester has significant and growing South Asian British populations. Leicester is known for its ethnic diversity, and is one of three cities in England where the White British population are a minority. Since the end of the Second World War, the city has seen successive waves of migration, with immigrants from the Indian sub-continent arriving in the 1960s, followed by South Asians arriving from Kenya and Uganda in the early 1970s.[6] By 2021, Leicester's population was 33% Muslim and 25% Hindu.[7]

Britain's Muslim press tended to describe the BJP as "fascist" to varying degrees,[15][16][17] a language actively adopted by Leicester Muslims.

I mean it is a far right government.

The British party politics is seen to have caused polarisation between the two communities, with Muslims siding with the Labour Party and Hindus siding with the Conservative Party. The 2019 general election was not only a "Brexit and NHS election", but also a "Kashmir election" according to The Guardian columnist Sunny Hundal. This was a reference to the Modi Government's decisive action in the complete integration of Kashmir into India in 2019, and the corresponding backlash in Pakistan. These developments had reactions in British Hindu and Muslim communities.[21] Rutgers University's Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI), which has investigated the online trends between 2019 and 2022, noted a wide dispersion of anti-Hindu and anti-India slurs and tropes during this period.[22]

At least one major incident of communitarian violence has been reported from May, where it was alleged that a Muslim man was surrounded by around 25?30 masked men, and beaten with bats and poles to such an extent that he was hospitalised. The incident was reported to the police, but the Muslim community felt that the police were failing to act, with the result that the perpetrators were still at large and continuing to harass the Muslim community. The Muslim community labelled these perpetrators "Hindutva RSS thugs" and believed that they were from among the recent arrivals from India.[29][30][note 3] According to Majid Freeman, a self described "former aid worker and a key social media influencer", who has been previously known to make false allegations of Quran burning[32] and for supporting the terrorist group ISIL[33] on online forums, "Muslims had made their presence known in the streets" by August and the "troublemakers had disappeared".[34]

A bunch of localised gang violence too (an ongoing issue,) where mostly teenagers and young adult men just act in a very territorial way. Part of that is economic - selling drugs etc - and part of that is just the problem of undiluted 'masculinity.' I suppose it's also boredom. One plus point is they mostly just attack each other so if you're not part of one of these minority groups + in a gang you're generally safe.

Many Muslim people notably have issues with Jewish people too but there are basically people of all backgrounds who join in with that for both different and similar reasons (the similar reason is generally envy but sometimes other weird things get packaged in too like religious conflict that doesn't always apply.)

I grew up in a very diverse town (actually one of the three minority-majority areas mentioned above but it's not a city it's a town,) and it's become more so over the years. When you walk around you can find people speaking in a variety of different languages and not often English. Sometimes it's hard to communicate with people because they don't speak English well or because of their accents (I've had this issue,) and it also interferes with working environments too sometimes as well. My mum struggled to communicate with certain people she worked with. This bothers people especially in jobs where it creates risks.

I didn't notice many problems growing up really but there have been a lot of background issues over the past few decades that escalated and kind of peaked in the 2010s.

These areas usually have higher rates of poverty too and people are more neurotic and prone to emotional volatility. Lots of mental health issues. Lots of resentful people. Lots of people with [BEEP] lives etc.

I think people who don't live in an area like that often exaggerate things in one way or the other. Like politically correct people who treat it as taboo to even discuss, but also the people who think people can't live there without getting raped and stabbed is also nonsense. Tbf locals will lean into that too to be edgy or because they're bitter.

There's a huge class problem in the UK of course too.

I learning stuff about judaism and I never got why people hate jews so much it seem like there just history punching bag

Well I don't know if this has always been the case but for a long time Jewish people have tended to be very succesful as a group in whichever country they live in. They've also spread out a lot more than most groups globally. Which leads to them being targeted more because there's nothing low status racist people from a majority group hate more than minority groups being more succesful than them.

Jewish people tend to annoy anti-semitic white people because they look white but don't tend to identify as white so they can't like vicariously 'win' any competitions through Jewish people's success. Seeing as they fully identify with being white and all of their identity points were put into that category. I've paid a lot of attention to them on social media and they often complain 'they don't see themselves as white' 'they're not white.' So I know this bothers them.

On top of that most of those white people are conservative and have weird ideas about Jewish people pushing liberalism, feminism, LGBT+ rights (you know cool stuff,) etc because of their success/influence. Because they hate Western culture and they blame Jewish people for Western culture which is liberalish. Some of those guys want to live in a culture like fundametalist Islam which is a bit awkward because obviously.

It goes without saying that Jewish people are not the only group blamed for this most of these guys just blame white liberal women (tm,) but the anti-semitic minority who are like 'stop blaming white women it's really the Jews' they do it for the same reason they've just headcannoned different villains.

I've said white people but that part isn't that important they're just the most obvious/highlighted by media. There are plenty of black men who are conservative and have all the same issues with Jewish people.

Other groups basically have an issue with Israel that they end up projecting onto or taking out on Jewish people sometimes - those people are more likely left wing. There's a component of class frustration and envy again as well. They don't however give a [BEEP] about all the 'oh no degeneracy' crap that the right wing anti-semitic people do. Due to a higher tolerance for chaos.

The left identifies with low status groups unless the group includes white men.

Edit: Sorry that needs further clarification. They don't like conservative/patriarchal white men even if they're low status/poor (non patriarchal white guys are generally OK) but this varies a lot depending on what subset of the left you're talking about anyway. Some people have no opinions about race and gender at all. Generally though, they ignore other groups displaying this behaviour because they don't see them as a big enough threat yet or they're not personally impacted by that behaviour.

I will say in terms of democrats vs republicans in the US there's a lot of criticism of black guys (which is why they're not voting democrat as much these days haha,) from black women (who vote democrat more than any other group i think.) Which goes to show it depends on context a lot.

I need to quote this hilarious twitter convo. It was brought up in a Hasan Abi video. I mentioned this before but deleted the post:

"perfect Bushwick party at 11pm on Sunday is joints being passed around a room of only white guys and Asian girls."

"Nb erasure once again"

"Arghh I'm sorry I should have written white femmes"

THAT'S the part you see an issue with??

So as I said before lol:

Honestly if you're going down that route you might wonder about why everyone is a white guy and Asian woman in the first place. Her response makes it even worse lol like all non-binary people are femme to you? And she had to emphasise white again. No Asian or masc non-binary people allowed. No Asian men. No other races in general.

That basically became a copypasta I think too.

Another layer to this is people sometimes use nb to mean non-black.

I love that just wtf. It has a surreal AI like quality to it like someone asked a not so great AI to pretend to be progressive hahaha. This is all I know about Bushwick btw:



Bitches be in Bushwick, they all live in Bushwick
They all love Bushwick but I say "fuck that shit"

Yes as usual my knowledge comes from music.

I'm just reading the responses now because I found the og tweet lol:

This is not a party this is a hostage situation

the dream of scott pilgrim is still alive

i'm glad hipsters are finally being overtly racist instead of hiding it

I am in your walls

Imagine gentrifying an entire city just to have the most annoying parties humanly possible

Another highlight from that video was Elon Musk tweeting this:

"Super rich ex wives who hate their former spouse" should filed be listed among "reasons that Western civilization died."

A bunch of Muslim people have some weird ongoing religious issue with Jewish people I'm far from an expert on so can't really comment on that, but most Western Muslims are very low status (the groups that immigrate to the UK from Pakistan and Bangladesh tend to be at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder,) so I'm sure envy plays into it too in some sense.

Now we get to one of the kookiest groups. The Evangelicals (Christans) 'support' Israel because it's important to their doomsday cult story...

My understanding might be wrong but essentially they seem to support Israel because during the 'end times' (tm) when Satan attempts to take God's throne and everything is in chaos they believe Jesus will return and everyone will either convert to being Christians or perish and Jesus will rule Israel.

There's just one small problem:



No not that problem. Jewish people don't follow/believe in Jesus lol...

This video has the same effect on me as seeing an American who just acts like a cowboy. It's such a stereotype it just seems fake like a scene from a comedy film:



So I'm not going to watch the whole of this video but let me just skim some quick quotes from skipping through.

"Give them the determination and resources to utterly destroy the enemies that have risen up against the kingdom of God."

"Socialist teachers unions are brainwashing your children with the madness that they can become a transsexual person."

I love how people can't talk about anything without transsexuals (tm) making an appearence.

Transsexual only refers to transgender people (identity) who medically transistion I guess. Because most people who go on hrt but identify as cis still don't call themselves transsexual ime. I guess a few do. Non-binary people don't necessarily call themselves transsexual either even if they go on hrt. Transsexual is used in a kind of isolationist sense by transmed people a lot and reduces a psychological/neurological phenomenon to a medical decision. So some people avoid it for that reason and also because it has the word sexual in and went out of fashion in the past. It's also kind of a spectrum eg you can go on a small amount:

A short thread on how testosterone therapy dramatically improved my quality of life as a 40 yo cis woman. I've been slacking on blogging about this for a while -- if this post gets 1k+ likes I'll write it. 🧵

I started TRT 9 months ago because my sex drive had tanked and other stuff wasn't helping. I had no expectations around other benefits, though a pamphlet I read while waiting to see the doctor made me realize I had other signs of low T, which blood tests confirmed.

Testosterone reversed a lot of cognitive decline I'd chalked up to aging--and I do mean reversed. I feel sharper now than I did at 30 & much more confident. My memory is much better, anxiety is much lower. Brain fog is gone. I have an extra 30-60 minutes of high productivity/day.

It also increased my nightly sleep by ~1h, the majority of that REM/deep sleep. It gave me the energy I needed to start exercising regularly, which I?d tried and failed to do many times. I now get 3-5h of real exercise/week, vs. 0 for ~the last decade.

As a result, while staying the same weight, I've lost 6% body fat in 9 months and my heart health is much, much better. I was in incredibly bad shape before; being regularly physically active feels like a miracle.

Side effects have been mild -- irritability is the biggest one, and I've had to learn to adjust my reactions to compensate. But I would accept pretty severe side effects for the benefits -- it would need to be worse than smoking to not be worth it, I think.

It's apparently the norm for women's testosterone to plummet in their late 30s/early 40s, and I have friends who are going through the same cognitive arc. One started TRT a month ago, and though it's early, she seems pretty happy with it, too.

Kind of envious honestly. In the UK they don't bother to check for anything physiological if you see them about anything that might appear psychological. Well I know other people have had other experiences where they present with anxiety issues and get tested for various hormonal stuff etc (like my male friend,) but that's not been my experience which is very annoying.

Also Grimes and Aella responded to/retweeted that. That whole social circle of like tech-adj women want to go on testosterone.

This was hilariously wrong:

hormone optimization goes crazy.

the ratio of experiential impact to risk is wild. and you can just do things, no one is stopping you from experimenting

I feel like there's an entire medical establishment set up to stop people experimenting?

Yes. I'd like to live in that world but it's not the one I live in. Often have to go with the grey/black market or jump through many loopholes.

"Israel is God's prophetic clock. When the Jewish people are in Israel the clock is running. When the Jewish people are out of Israel the clock is stopped."

Then he quotes this (talking about Jewish people):

For your are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the Earth.

Then he turns into a comedian:

"Headlines will be screaming millions are missing. Christians have disappeared from the Earth. There will be an instant economic crash. Why? Because all the Christians are gone. We're the only ones paying taxes these days."

Edit: Is it 2063 when this is happening? I'm gonna be like "damn it the Vulcans came and took all the Christians and I'm stuck here. I'm never going to have a space elf romance now."

If I'm still alive which is probably banking on a lot.

"Hello America choose you this day whom you will serve either Jesus Christ the prince of peace or the coming antichrist."

"You will either be a servant to Jesus Christ or a slave to sin and Satan."

Well you can make an argument that they're the same entity via the character of Lucifer. They're both called morning star like Venus and Inanna/Ishtar (probably many others.) So... Awkward...

"Iran is the head of the snake in the middle east."

There are five different crowns you can get when you go to heaven.

This is wild lol. Like Runescape party hats?

"You can look at that person's crown and tell what they did and how well they did it just like a military uniform."

"On one day the bible says God will release the angels over the Earth to kill 1/3rd of the Earth's population. That's one day."

Then he goes on a bit about all the ways God is going to torture people while being the good guy. And China are apparently involved now:

"Then We come to the place of Armaggedon where China marches up the Euphrates river. with an army of 200 men and from the West comes the Anti-Christ who will lead the armies of Europe and probably the United States right there there will be the most bloody battle ever recorded in the history of the world. The battle field of armeggedon is about 200 miles in length."

Oh good Europe's involved now too.

I feel fairly sure China wasn't in the bible. I don't think 200 men is going to cut it lol.

These are people who are coming against Israel and God is going to wipe them out. Then there will be a thousand years of perfect peace. No presidental elections, no fake news, none of all this nonsense we go through with. There's going to be one king, one leader. I will be Jesus Christ son of God. There will be one law - it will be his law.

"Your child can play in a [can't make it out] nest that's what we would call rattle snakes. Your child can play with poisonous snakes you have no worry because the child will not be hurt. That is what you call total peace.

Oh that's what peace is lol. When snakes don't attack you anymore. Just think all of this elaborate nonsense was created just to make snakes peaceful.



(They obviously think the cucumbers are snakes.)

Snakes are venomous, not poisonous btw.

After 1000 years Satan is released and he goes into the world and to deceive many. Why? Because there are people born who never had the opportunity to choose or reject Jesus and Satan is going get them to follow him in one last battle against God's chosen Jesus Christ. He gets wiped out and cast into hell. And that's when eternity beings.





Jesus can always reject his father
but he cannot escape his mother's blood.
He'll scream and try to wash it off of his fingers
but he'll never escape what he's made up of.

I can't speak for DMT, but I did a peyote ceremony with the Navajo in 2014. Just like McKenna says about DMT, i literally felt like I was pushed through a membrane of sorts into a rave like dimension. A machine elf greeted me singing and welcoming me exactly as people describe them. Everything felt right, so I thought in my head what's your name not knowing this thing could read my mind and it said "Baphomet". At first the phrase meant nothing to me, but a soon as I realized what was said I very quickly thought of Christ and was launched violently Into an infinite black ocean of some kind. I was drowning in a pitch black ocean with no sky above the surface only unspeakable lengths of what looked like ropes with bugs crawling on them in the air. This was a devastating experience

Archons (Greek: ἄρχων, romanized: ?rchōn, plural: ἄρχοντες, ?rchontes), in Gnosticism and religions closely related to it, are the builders of the physical universe. Among the Archontics, Ophites, Sethians and in the writings of Nag Hammadi library, the archons are rulers, each related to one of seven planets; they prevent souls from leaving the material realm. The political connotation of their name reflects rejection of the governmental system, as flawed without chance of true salvation.[1] In Manichaeism, the archons are the rulers of a realm within the "Kingdom of Darkness", who together make up the Prince of Darkness. In The Hypostasis of the Archons, the physical appearance of Archons is described as hermaphroditic, with their faces being those of beasts.[2][3][4]

According to a Gnostic text called the Reality of the Rulers, the archons "have bodies that are both female and male, and faces that are the faces of beasts."[2] Thus, they're not truly male nor female, nor human nor animal. The ancients found this kind of boundary-crossing to be deeply threatening, and this description of the archons implied that they were forces of chaos, so "mixed up" as to be "the farthest that a created being could be from God."[3]

Your brain doesn't like rigid belief systems generally when on hallucinogens. As funny as that anecdote is I don't think it actually had anything to do with Jesus but more the fact that the belief system is rigid.

This seems cooler:

Well I got in contact with some elves/pixies/faeries/spirits (hard to say what they were exactly) in my 2nd ceremony. They seemed to be 2D light creatures with robotic body parts, some had vehicles for bodies. They were very friendly at first, they were making objects out of ideas/language/light and they wanted me to give them something. I didn't know what they wanted and they started to get annoyed. Eventually, I understood they wanted me to show them what I know. So I gave them philosophical ideas that I had read but then they eventually wanted me to give them something original, one of my ideas and I had no ideas of my own or at least that's what I had thought and communicated with them. They became angry and went inside my body and eventually came out with this object and told me "this, this is your inner wisdom, your original work" They gave me back this object but took everything else.

I was very confused by the situation, I thought I was just mugged and had lost something really important.

I later understood how necessary this step was in my journey. I could no longer lean on the words, opinions, ideas of other people. There is infinitely more value in understanding than there is in memorizing other people's work.

Tbh though, people talk about the 'machine elves' too much. The weird emotionally cold mantid creatures that perform surgery on you and try to steal your emotions etc seem weirder in some ways. I would like to know if the stories about aliens came from doing this drug (and similar drugs,) or if the stories about aliens have influenced what people see while doing these drugs like chicken/egg:

I've seen them a few times. Most notably the first time I used dmt. I was expecting machines, elves, the usual stuff you hear Terrance McKenna describe.

instead as I blasted through the tunnel of light I found myself having the sensation of being wheeled through a hallway (I was laying flat on my couch) into some sort of operating room where I was "scanned" with a colorful beam of energy that went straight into my forehead. From what I could tell there were shadow figures looking down on me and the mantids were in the background overseeing everything and had a shimmering iridexcent quality to them. I wasn't afraid, it wasn't "good" or "bad" in terms of feeling. Honestly they seemed pretty chill and more curious than anything. No other experiences with preying mantises other than thinking they were cool looking bugs as a kid.

Sounds nuts but that's DMT for you. Note I don't think I was actually interdimensionally abducted by aliens but it lines up with a lot of others experience.

i had the mantis / lizard entity scan me in a operating room. there was 1 major mantis in front of me and then several around me which were morphing in and out of each other. after the scan I believe I was given the floor to pour out my trauma. I felt so at peace and filled with love after my trip. I had so much clarity of what I needed to do to grow as a person. I had to calm myself from being [BEEP] faced scared during the trip as I did not expect it to happen at all lol but thats what you get when you smoke dmt

Someone was asking about this quote recently (which I guess is from the bible?):

[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

My personal interpretation would be something like water is... I mean this isn't mine I can already think of several works which have similar ideas. You know like in the Constantine movie where she asks 'so water and hell?' and he responds 'water is the universal conduit that lubricates the transistion between one plane and another.' And then the A Perfect Circle song Passive starts playing lol. No that's just that one music video cause the song is used in the movie:



But yeah anyway my personal interpretation is that water is fluid and the sea also kind of represents the underworld. Also water can exist as a solid, liquid and gas

Water can also exist as all three states at the same time, which is called the Triple Point of Water. This happens at a temperature just above freezing (0.1?C) and a pressure of 0.006 atmospheres.

Nick Land wrote this short story about mermaids once (this isn't the whole thing) it kind of stuck with me:

Why were mermaids so horrible? She felt the answer through powerful but indistinct intuition. Fluid boundaries were essential to it. A rocky sea-shore at twilight was darkly suggestive enough. It whispered of mermaids without needing to show them. Ambiguous transformations thrashed the coast of sleep.
"Do mermaids scare you, too, mommy?"
She'd wanted to say 'no' of course, but the word caught in her throat. She'd actually coughed - almost choked. "I don't think about them much," she'd managed, eventually. "They are kind of creepy, I guess."
"Super-creepy," Katy said.
"Why is that, do you think?" It was, perhaps, an incautious question, but Claudia couldn't help herself.
"The join is the scariest part."
"Where fish begins?"
"Or girl," Katy said.
"Imagine being able to swim so well, though," Claudia suggested, with unconvincing cheerfulness.
"That makes it worse, because you might want it."

I think this is probably a bit of a more common interpretation of the water thing which I find a bit mundane hahaha:

Some commentators suggest that "water" is a reference to the amniotic fluid that signals the onset of physical birth, and they therefore believe Jesus was describing two distinct births in verse 5 -- physical birth ("water"), and spiritual birth ("the Spirit")..

Yeah anyway I got distracted but the idea is that everyone has to believe in/follow Jesus or perish which ultimately includes Jewish people ironically.

Part of the reason it's mostly men though is that men aren't considered to have inherit worth so if they don't succeed economically as the best in whatever dumb economic competition is happening they feel a great deal of resentment. But women sometimes go along with it too as a kind of benevolent sexism fetish or something. White nationalism makes them the centre of attention so they might like that. Or because they are overly masculine but low status in the same way.

It's pretty but the people are crass and rather ignorant and very fucking racist.... The way they talked about aboriginals, horrid.. That was at least my experience.

The sky news channel in Australia is very conservative leaning for some weird reason. It's not as much in the UK (or wasn't whenever I last paid attention.)

Yeah so there you go:

The channel was originally a joint venture between British broadcaster BSkyB (thus making it a spin-off of the Sky News channel in the United Kingdom), Seven Media Group, and Nine Entertainment Co., as Australian News Channel Pty Ltd. The company was acquired by News Corp Australia in 2016.[5] With the subsequent sale of Murdoch's remaining shares in Sky UK to Comcast,[6] Sky News Australia no longer has any direct ties to its UK counterpart, but continues to use the Sky News branding under license from Comcast. The channel is currently exploring options to rebrand into an Australian channel of the American Fox News brand once the current legacy branding agreement comes to an end in 2026.[7]

Especially since the acquisition of the channel by News Corp Australia, Sky News Australia has faced scrutiny from the press over its increased focus on opinion programming. Comparisons were drawn to Rupert Murdoch's American news channel Fox News, and there have been accusations that the channel's opinion programming has promoted misinformation and conspiracy theories.[8][9]

The bolded is important.

I was mostly wondering about the descrepency in content some years ago because every Australian video that was suggested on YT or whereever was like the usual Fox news kinda thing and I don't really remember what was on British sky stuff but it wasn't that lol.

[Otherside]

Twitter has been amusing the last few days, so -

- King Charles can't "dissolve parliament" and "call an election." Second he tries that he gets slapped right back down and parliament and it will be the end of the monarchy not long after.
- Andrew Tate can't "run for Prime Minister" because you can't "run for Prime Minister." You win by way of your party getting 325+ seats. He'd have to stand as an MP and given that he is a) currently resident in Romania and b) facing criminal charges that mean he's likely to spend more than a year in prison, so he's likely going to be completely barred from being an MP to begin with by the next election. If he's not still in prison come next election.
-- Even if he does run, his party is not getting 325+ seats, period, a new party is not going to get 325+ seats, those are the numbers that the big two Labour and Conservative get.
- Keir Starmer won an election with a massive majority less than a year ago, hence he is prime minister. I'm sorry that some people don't seem to understand that there preferred candidate lost, but that how's elections here work, the party with 325+ seats wins and there leader becomes Prime Minister. Starmer has 412. Much as I don't agree with everything Starmer is doing, he has a mandate, he is going nowhere soon.
- Tommy Robinson is not going to become Prime Minister either - he is flat out barred from running as an MP because he is a) currently bankrupt due to gambling debts/being sued/unpaid taxes, and b) his very, very extensive criminal history over the years ranging from assault to mortgage fraud to attempting to enter the US illegally.
-- Generally the "peaceful protests" he organises are a bunch of football hooligans travelling into London, getting drunk and snorting coke, starting fights with the police, and then urinating over the city because they can't hold it in. And then wondering why they are being arrested, because generally, if you pick fights with the police, you will get arrested. But, to be fair, might have been too drunk to remember the fighting the police part.

[Nyctophilia]

There's a thread about the audience of Sky News Australia. A lot of people seem to think it's mostly right wing Americans watching but some people mentioned their Australian parents too and uh once again I'm confused by how they find this surprising lol:

My father who used to be a super chilled out, progressive Buddhist who lost his job during covid and became extremely disenfranchised does 😭 He wouldn't even turn it off for his grandsons first Christmas morning. It's a nightmare, he's turned into an absolute cooker

Christ and he used to be a Buddhist? How does someone go from Buddhism to cookerism? Wild

Oh it's really not that weird at all for there to be people like this who turn into right wing cranks. Just look at Russel Brand. The Nazi's themselves decided to use the swastika which was a symbol often used in buddhism and Hinduism. Also Savitri Devi created a fusion religion of Nazism with Hinduism:

Savitri was a proponent of a synthesis of Hinduism and Nazism, proclaiming Adolf Hitler to have been an avatar of the Hindu god Vishnu.[5] She depicted Hitler as a sacrifice for humanity that would lead to the end of the worst World Age, the Kali Yuga, which she believed was induced by the Jews, whom she saw as the powers of evil.[3]

There's a tangentially related phenomenon which is sometimes called 'granola fascism'

https://gnet-research.org/2023/03/22...the-far-right/

Granola Nazis and the Folkish Movement

At the heart of the Granola Nazis are a racist neo-pagan group known as the Folkish Movement. A small group, the Folkish Movement have a significant large influence on white supremacist mythology and conspiracy discourses. Their styles, myths and language now circulate online in a wider white supremacist 'digital traditionalism' - the broader adaptation of a 'granola' or 'crunchy' style associated with hippies, nature, or organic farming to convey a white supremacist, anti-modern politics as online counterculture. These groups, especially after COVID-19, are building connections to broader far-right environmentalist, health and wellness movements, thus increasing their online presence. This section provides an introduction to the different groups within the Folkish Movement operating online today, the Granola Nazis whose styles and ideals support the broader movement of digital traditionalism.

"Folkish" refers to white supremacist pagans as opposed to other members of the cultic milieu like neo-druids, Wiccans, or "universalist" pagans. The Folkish or neo-volkish Movement is where northern European naturalist religions merge to become the spiritual basis for white male supremacism. Folkish, also called Odinist, Asatru, Wotanist, heathen or pagan, creates a white religion from Nordic or Germanic tribal culture and blends these with German volkish racial ideology, Norse mythology and Nazi mysticism to create a pan-Aryan religion.

This isn't what Ronald Jenkees meant when he said Stay Crunchy:



Or maybe it is. I mean I don't know his life. He has 3-4 songs I listened to in my early 20s so they're in my brain playlist:





All my fun is disorganised.

This music is a lot better than fascism.

I've posted about the femboy nazis before too. That goes back even further than the current internet memes. Like this guy:

Let's talk about Elisar von Kupffer. Who is he? What's he famous for?

So Elisar von Kupffer is a- It's funny. I'm actually looking for the right noun, right? I don't know whether to call him an artist or religious leader, an activist, a fascist. He's all the above.

But he's a man who lives between 1872 and 1942. He's born in what is now present-day Estonia, as part of the class of Baltic German overlords there, and throughout the course of his life, he assembles the first ever anthology of gay literature, which is called The Love of Favourites and Friendly Love in World Literature, which is published in Berlin in 1900.3 He creates a new religion called Klarismus or Clearism, which combines medievalist and Christian iconography with ideas about that kind of universal, transcendent spiritual androgyny that he gets out of readings and misreadings of Persian literature and of the classical era. He creates a series of artistic works culminating in the 30-metre cyclorama painting called The Clear World of the Blessed,4 which depicts the Claristic utopia in which many naked androgynes - all of which bear either his face, the face of his life partner Eduard von Mayer, or the face of a favourite local model, "Gino" Luigi Taricco - are depicted.

His work throughout his entire career is informed by a biological racism that understands human cultural output as being rooted entirely in climate and race, which are understood to be linked. For this reason, for example, he settles in Italian Switzerland because he understands it as being a bisexual climate: there's the Mediterranean homosexual climate and race type, and in the German Alpine, heterosexual climate and race type.5 And so, he's found in Ticino6 a bisexual climate. That's maybe a more humorous example of this biological determinism. But this also leads him to subscribe to antisemitic conspiracy theories, to be described by Nazi officials as a devoted hater of the Jews, and to several attempts to collaborate with Nazi politicians in order to secure state support and funding for this artwork and for this religious project. He fails, but not for lack of trying, including several extremely warm letters written to Adolf Hitler at the end of Kupffer's life, where he really praises Hitler, his political project and identifies them as political allies.7

So Kupffer is a really complex, controversial and strange figure. I hope very much that this article is being published alongside some images of his artwork as well, because you really do need to see this art to believe it. It is, I like to joke, mercifully inimitable. It's really something.

Some people kind of become fascistic when they do aphetamines that's another thing especially if they're quite creative/fluid in personality.

Also the first fascist movement in Britain was founded by a gender non-conforming alcoholic woman:

Rotha Beryl Lintorn Lintorn-Orman (born Rotha Beryl Lintorn Orman, 7 February 1895 - 10 March 1935) was a British political activist and World War I veteran who founded the British Fascisti, the first avowedly fascist movement to appear in British politics.

Lintorn-Orman was essentially a Tory by inclination but was driven by a strong anti-communism and attached herself to fascism largely because of her admiration for Benito Mussolini and what she saw as his action-based style of politics.

Lintorn-Orman was among the few girls seeking entry into scouting organizations; along with her friend Nesta Maude, in 1908, Lintorn-Orman had registered as a Scout troop, using initials rather than forenames.

Lintorn-Orman died of an alcohol-related illness at the age of 40 on 10 March 1935 at Santa Brigida, Las Palmas, in the Canary Islands. By then her organisation was all but defunct. She was buried at the English Cemetery in Las Palmas.

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/...with-knobs-on/

She drifted without much direction, began drinking heavily, and began to abuse drugs. Eventually, she moved to a dairy farm in Somerset, but she missed active duty with a physical pain and kept her connection to those years by cropping her hair daringly short, wearing shirts and ties, and displaying her medals proudly on the peaked lapels of her jackets. Contemporaries found her androgyny highly odd; the phrase mannish woman was used frequently. Not that Lintorn-Orman much cared about the judgments of the mainstream. To her, civilian life seemed agonizingly dull, both predictable and aimless; a continuous, stretchless yawn.  For five years she waited for a beginning or an end. 

Reminds me of her:

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex."
-- Valerie Solanas, SCUM Manifesto

I prefer 'corrupting' the male sex myself. Destroying is a bit much.

You've heard of shower thoughts now get ready for... Garden thoughts:

It was Mussolini who offered the chance for reinvention. In October 1922, he was invited to form a government by King Victor Emmanuel III, effectively ending Italy's experiment with democracy. Seven months later Lintorn-Orman formed her own fascist movement, inspired not just by Il Duce's audacity but an unusual epiphany. As she always told it, she was digging her garden in the spring of 1923 when the realization hit her that Britain was being ruined by foreigners and communists who could only be stopped by the decisive actions of brave patriots prepared to descry the shibboleths of liberal democracy. On the spot, she began the British Fascisti, an ultraconservative paramilitary organization that saw itself as a sort of middle-England minutemen.

It's a hell of a thing to just think about while you're doing some gardening (I feel like she failed the assignment.)

This is less cool than both Poison Ivy, and the androgynous humanoid plant elves I had many sexual fantasies/wrote about as a teenager who were loosely based on Poison Ivy.

I bet that's why I'm so well adjusted now.

I like cacti now - not sexually. Ouch.

The British Fascisti afforded Lintorn-Orman some control over a world in which she felt a powerless misfit, punished by the fact of her sex and her unconventionality. Indeed, she was one of a number of British women who came to this early incarnation of fascism in part because of a sense of self that could be neither expunged nor accepted by polite society. .

Astrology could have saved her. (not really hence this entire post. But she is kind of boring occult wise.)

Valerie Arkell-Smith, born in the same year as Lintorn-Orman, also served in the war, signing up for the Voluntary Aid Detachment in 1914. In 1926, she joined the National Fascisti, a splinter group of Lintorn-Orman's organization, but did so as a man. Arkell-Smith, as she was, had been a mother of two young children until 1923, the year she left the man she was living with and married Elfrida Haward under the new identity of Colonel Victor Barker. In its invective against complacent elites, and its veneration of the unthinkable and the unspeakable, this radical new creed--yet to accrete the horrors of the thirties and forties--offered the hope of refuge to at least some of those on the fringes

You mean he was a trans guy right?

Victor Barker, born Lillias Irma Valerie Barker (27 August 1895 - 18 February 1960) and called Valerie Arkell-Smith after marriage and who also went by the pseudonyms John Hill and Geoffrey Norton, was a transgender man who is notable for having married a woman. He was an officer of the National Fascisti, as well as a bankrupt and a convicted criminal.

In Female Masculinity (1998), Jack Halberstam writes that Barker represented "the beginning of the emergence of a transsexual identity."[14]

Not really.

The fascism-lite approach meant that within a couple of years of its founding, the British Fascists began to be outflanked by other fascist organizations, especially the one run by Arthur Leese, an ideological anti-Semite who lambasted just about every other British extremist for not being adequately exercised about the international Jewish conspiracy. [...] Trenchantly xenophobic though she may have been, Lintorn-Orman could never out-fascist a thoroughbred crackpot like Leese, who explicitly advocated [..]

Leese had been an early member of the BF, but quickly became disillusioned with its tepidness; "conservatism with knobs on," to use his words. He was also one of its many members who criticized Lintorn-Orman for being chaotic, vacillating, and divisive. From the testimony of other members, it does seem that she had a rare ability to rub people the wrong way, and was the sort of impassioned politico who could start a stand-up row alone in the confession booth. But the same could easily be said of Leese, and in a man they may well have been qualities he admired. What probably underpinned his dislike of Lintorn-Orman was her commitment to protecting female participation in the leadership of the organization she created and bankrolled. The BF had female-only paramilitary units, and to encourage the involvement of mothers it created the Fascist Children's Club. At one of the club's Christmas parties, Lintorn-Orman dressed up as Father Christmas, dispensed presents, and bounced toddlers on her knee. The BF also had several women on its executive committee who ensured their voices were heard. Around the time of the General Strike in 1926, a proposal was tabled to integrate the BF with another far-right group in order to combine resources and to more effectively act against the trade unions. But Lintorn-Orman and the other women at the top of the BF voted it down. They were determined not to lose the BF's independence and with it a place of prominence for women in the nation?s burgeoning fascist movement.

I see these same kind of gender arguments from the far right on social media.

None of which is to say that she should be raised up as a feminist pathbreaker. As the historian Julie Gottlieb has argued, her cause was to earn women the right to serve the state, rather than to secure full civil and voting rights. It may be that Lintorn-Orman, a woman frequently referred to as a "fascist feminist," falls short of either designation, although several other women of her generation could lay claim to both. Mary Richardson, a suffragette best remembered for defacing Velasquez's Rokeby Venus during a "Votes for Women" protest in 1914, became one of Mosley's Blackshirts in the thirties, as did her friend, the Hitlerian fanatic Mary Allen, who traveled Europe investigating the workings of fascist regimes.

Of course you did.

It's important to note she didn't just deface it she stabbed it several times.

If a writer came up with that I would think it was a great example of symbolism or something.

Oh this happened at the Victoria and Albert museum. Edit: Oh no the national gallery I think the other museum was worried about attacks too though so some link I was reading mentioned that. I actually went there again recently. In the theatre and peformance section they had a bunch of PJ Harvey stuff (among other stuff) like notes from one of her albums and a dress she wore for the cover art of White Chalk. Oh one of them there are a few.

and (I've said this before) there's a cactus on the piano (also this is another one of those dresses):



(I know that's not her piano lol but yeah.)

Twenty years earlier, Allen and her lesbian partner had overseen Britain's first division of female police officers, and before that had been active members of Emmeline Pankhurst's Women's Social and Political Union. "I was first attracted to the Blackshirts," she explained, "because I saw in them the courage, the action, the loyalty, the gift of service, the ability to serve which I had known in the suffragette movement." She also admired the fascists' use of political violence, something the suffragettes had employed to protect themselves against assaults from men. Seeing that "the Blackshirts were attacked for no visible cause or reason," Allen wrote of her decision to join the party, "I admired them the more when they hit back, and hit hard."

But fascists generally love war. After all:

War is to man what maternity is to a woman. - Mussolini

I'm non-binary.

Found some other site talking about her and a few others:

https://indianatseresin.wordpress.co...n-terf-island/

Mary Sophia Allen--easily my least favorite of these lesbian fascists--was another militant suffragette whose feminist politics, beyond the vote, were entirely limited to extinguishing prostitution and so-called "white slavery" (work that is a direct antecedent of the contemporary anti-trafficking movement). Following enthusiastic participation in WWI, Allen returned home and began LARPing as a police officer, wearing a Metropolitan Police uniform and engaging in aggressive unpaid surveillance of communists. During the 1930s she met Mussolini and Hitler (with whom she discussed the issue of "women police"), and in 1939 joined Oswald Moseley's British Union of Fascists. Known as Robert to friends, Allen's life is documented in a three-volume autobiography, The Pioneering Policewoman, A Woman at the Crossroads, and Lady in Blue.

Was she the one who stabbed the painting? Oh no I see that was her friend.

LARPing as a police officer xD

"I have tried to destroy the picture of the most beautiful woman in mythological history as a protest against the Government for destroying Mrs. Pankhurst, who is the most beautiful character in modern history. Justice is an element of beauty as much as colour and outline on canvas [?]"

I won't pretend there haven't been times in my life when I, too, might have been tempted to commit aesthetic terrorism on behalf of a woman I considered to be "the most beautiful character in modern history." But that's only part of the story: Richardson later explained, in radio interviews decades after the event, that she couldn't stand that men "gawped" at the painting and that she "thought it sensuous."

No shit.

But to me, Richardson's attack evokes a quite different political tradition. Examining the damage, it's hard not to notice that every single one of her blows landed directly on Venus' body:

Looking at this image, I think about the argument, commonly made by SWERFs, that sex work, porn, and even the visual presence of nude women in general is a kind of symbolic violence against civilian women--indeed, that it is the primary form of violence sex work engenders.

In a book that features the word "lesbian" only once (in a footnote), it is hard not to read the extremely vague phrase "her preference for women in uniform"--which could refer to transmasculine inclinations, lesbian eroticism, or a general fervor for patriotic conformity--as deliberate obscuration. Nonetheless, the image conjured is as clear and painful as it needs to be: a person whose existence was so restricted and whose choices were so misguided that one of the few places they felt able to express their gender identity was a Fascist Children's Club Christmas party.

Despite an insightful and still-expanding body of thought on the question, I still think we haven't fully resolved why UK feminism is so transphobic and (at times) so fascistic. Personally I suspect that the answer partly lies in a distinctly British aversion to pleasure, freedom, and self-actualization. The commitment to misery, to being a "bloody difficult woman," is one of the main affective drives of the stubborn British insistence on an anti-trans and anti-sex work position even as the rest of the world moves on. At the same time, the historical roots of fascistic feminism are still, it seems, underexplored. As much as the "gender critical" movement is primarily driven by straight women, the involvement of lesbians is a sad reality, and TERF ideology is significantly grounded in a misguided saviour complex regarding butch/lesbian identities. Recuperating lesbian fascism might seem like a weird impulse, but it's a history that, in all its bitterness, might help us better understand this sinister landscape we're in.

'The rest of the world' seems like an overstatement. Maybe the rest of the West (outside of the more conservative US states.)

*I just want to add quickly that in talking about "lesbian fascism," I don't want to definitively claim these figures were lesbian rather than trans. Part of what I'm trying to show is that the nonconsensual imposition of the category of womanhood--which seems to have been unwanted in at least some of these figures' lives--appears to have been one of the driving forces behind their turn toward fascist ideology. Although they may have called themselves women (it's striking that the words "woman" or "lady" appear in the title of every single volume of Allen?s autobiography), there is no doubt that Lintorn-Orman and Allen also occupy a complex position within trans history.

I don't think what they wrote really has enough evidence to suggest that's what they were tying to show or that they did. At most they just revealed a bunch of them were ambiguously [BEEP] (which is obvious from everything else written about these figures.) It's certainly possible because tons of fascists are repressing something. Even then though, there was a trans guy in their party anyway.

It's notable that Gluck who was Jewish, and like Lintorn-Orman also from a wealthy family, and lived in the UK during a similar period of time (they were born in the same year,) managed to find other stuff to do:

Gluck (born Hannah Gluckstein; 13 August 1895 -- 10 January 1978) was a British painter, who rejected any forename or honorific (such as "Miss" or "Mr"), also using the names Peter and Hig. Gluck joined the Lamorna artists' colony near Penzance, and was noted for portraits and floral paintings, as well as a new design of picture-frame. Gluck's relationships with a number of women included one with Nesta Obermer: the artist's joint self-portrait with Obermer (Medallion) is viewed as an iconic lesbian statement.

In the artistic community of Lamorna, Gluck began to adopt a masculine appearance and to defy fashion and gender norms.[1] In 1916, Alfred Munnings painted Gluck smoking a pipe.[1] Gluck insisted on being known only by that mononym, "no prefix, suffix, or quotes",[6] and when an art society of which Gluck was vice president identified Gluck as "Miss Gluck" on its letterhead, Gluck resigned. In 1923 Romaine Brooks painted Gluck as Peter, a Young English Girl.[1] Gluck identified with no artistic school or movement and showed work only in solo exhibitions.

In the 1950s, Gluck became dissatisfied with the paints available for artists and began a "paint war" to improve their quality. Gluck felt that some paints were grainy in consistency, or looked 'dead' on the canvas. Gluck also said that some paints changed their apparent colour according to the direction of the brushstroke, and that some took too long to dry.

Ultimately, Gluck persuaded the British Standards Institution to create a new standard for oil paints. However, the campaign consumed Gluck's time and energy to the exclusion of painting for more than a decade. During this time, Gluck and Edith acquired their second home at Dolphin Cottage, in Lamorna.[12]

"You have two wolves inside of you." Etc.

The story of the Two Wolves is a memetic legend of unknown origin, commonly attributed to Cherokee or other indigenous American peoples in popular retelling. The legend is usually framed as a grandfather or elder passing wisdom to a young listener; the elder describes a battle between two wolves within one?s self, using the battle as a metaphor for inner conflict. When the listener asks which wolf wins, the grandfather answers "whichever one you feed".

While many variations of the story exist (replacing wolves with dogs, changing the nature of the conflict, etc.) the usual conflict uses imagery of white versus black and good versus evil. As its origins cannot be credibly traced to authentic indigenous sources, the "Two Wolves" story is considered an example of fakelore.

You've heard of fakenews now get ready for fakelore. It's still true though.





"Other Ron" is one of my favourite characters on the show lol and it's made even better by how he just kind of exists and that pisses off Ron. He should have had more scenes.

You can tell the actor is amused during the part where he brings up astrological signs too lol.

This is also why I shitpost that Jesus and Satan are the same character.

I watched this film or parts of it I think as a child and this is 100% the only thing I remember and it's stuck in my head ever since:



I don't even remember what it's about:

Kelly's Heroes is a 1970 World War II comedy drama heist film, directed by Brian G. Hutton, about a motley crew of American GIs who go AWOL in order to rob a French bank, located behind German lines, of its stored Nazi gold bars.

The film stars Clint Eastwood and Telly Savalas, and co-stars Don Rickles, Carroll O'Connor, and Donald Sutherland providing the comic absurdity, with secondary, comedic roles by Harry Dean Stanton, Gavin MacLeod, Karl-Otto Alberty, and Stuart Margolin. The screenplay was written by British film and television writer Troy Kennedy Martin. The film was a US-Yugoslav co-production, filmed mainly in the Croatian village of Vi?inada on the Istria peninsula.

OK. Makes sense.

I'm also talking about fascism a lot here because it's the most common example. Also many buddhists are conservative etc as well in the first place though he said his dad was progressive.

Though it sounds like that guy's dad's story is more boring than that and more because he became unemployed.

All unemployed people suffer from anomie of some kind (same with most self employed people at least if they work online,) and also external judgement but when you suddenly lose your job you don't have any antibodies at all because you were previously following the rules/mainstream ideology/life plan etc and you were never forced to gradually build an identity seperate to that. The timing of it being during covid which was a particularly insane moment on social media would have made it worse. Obviously personality factors in too.

It's funny because I started a YouTube channel during covid (nothing to do with politics,) which was one of the few positive developments I'd had since I left uni.

[Nyctophilia]

This is an example of the kind of earlier sci Fi book that breaks my suspension of disbelief because of the way women are depicted. I find it jarring to have these big ideas and advanced tech, but gender roles that are rooted in the 50's or 60's.

The problem with reading old science fiction is we're living in the future. This can happen with technology and other cultural and political stuff too. I think the Soviet Union still exists in Star Trek lol.

I guess generally it's best to just consider it an alternate universe.

I feel like any sci-fi that takes place in the distant future and doesn't include artificial wombs, and people altering their sex characteristics often when it likely becomes easier seems unrealistic to me based on how people use avatars online and choose gendered characters in video games and current development of artificial wombs.

Like we have AI now, very basic artificial wombs, scientists have created egg cells from the skin of male mice and then created baby mice that were genetically related to the two male mice so eventually samesex reproduction will likely be possible in Humans - probably in the next 200 years max, we should be able to use gene therapy to grow a third set of teeth within the next 6 years and so on. (Most of the examples I'm listing are biological and biotech because I pay slightly more attention to that.)

I think samesex people will be able to have kids way before artificial wombs. Perhaps that's not so weird though. IVF is already legal so that will pretty much become legal more easily anywhere where being gay is legal. Artificial wombs freak people out even more.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...remature-birth

The Toronto group has seen blood clots and heart problems develop. So far, they've only been able to sustain a pig fetus for about a week.

But researchers at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia have safely sustained fetal sheep on a very similar device for four weeks, making the Toronto group and others optimistic the approach will eventually work.

"If this artificial womb technology could sustain a patient even for a period of weeks and get them to a later stage and a bigger size, that could potentially be quite a dramatic change in our field," says Dr. Mike Seed, an associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Toronto who is working with Haller.

What if it becomes possible to use artificial wombs to gestate fetuses for an entire pregnancy, making natural pregnancy unnecessary?

"We've heard people fearing that this translates into women not having to go through a full pregnancy anymore -- kind of more like a Matrix-style of dystopian future," Haller says.

"But it would be outrageous to assume that any artificial intervention in any way is better than nature. So if you're not running into problems in your pregnancy, I think there's a lot of evidence that you're better off being born as you should be from what nature intended," he says.

Assuming the technology works why the hell would you fear that? People who want to carry babies the traditional way could still do that but if you have another option nobody should be forced to go through all that.

I think I remember someone (it might have even been Grimes actually lol but maybe not, I know she brought up artificial wombs though as she almost died,) saying one day we'd look back at this expectation that women should do this as barbaric and I agree.

No this is what she said which is close enough (someone definitely said that though):

Having had a child, I can assure u the value proposition of artificial wombs is perhaps one of the most profound I can imagine for our species. We've mostly eliminated active warfare from men's lives, the violence of childbirth 4 women should be an option not a necessity

I just found this webpage (I remember seeing some of this twitter discussion at the time):

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/i-can-...that-its-going



"Why take on the risk?"

Really? Many people with wombs agree. Why take the risk? Of course people then shame people for not giving birth.

Predictably, this produced the usual torrent of knee-jerk petulant anger toward technologists, but it also produced a fair amount of interesting commentary and thought surrounding the idea of artificial wombs. As Hollis Robbins pointed out, it's pretty unlikely that artificial womb technology would substantially reduce the cost of raising a child, since almost all of this work happens after the child is born. And thus it'll be unlikely to significantly increase fertility rates. If you really want to imagine a technology that would make people more eager to have kids, imagine robot nannies.

But as Grimes noted, artificial wombs would significantly reduce the physical strain that pregnancy places on women's bodies

Yeah unsurprisingly (given the social circle,) a lot of the people involved in that discussion were out of touch lol like in the twitter screenshot above. The main pro would be reducing the physical labour of pregnancy and childbirth. Economically speaking though it won't make a huge difference. In heterosexual relationships women generally take on more childcare duties with kids while men (assuming they're present at all) are less involved.

I don't really expect that wage gap to change unless people start paying women for raising kids since most women have a greater prefence to be around their kids more. There are a bunch of guys who are ambivalent about having kids in the first place despite having them, some get pressured into having them by their partners which isn't good.

We don't talk much about this "violence"; it's one of our last remaining taboos. Instead, we relegate the gory details to the realm of parenting classes and raunchy comedy. But it's absolutely real. We've eliminated many of our burdens through the magic of technology -- carrying water all day, washing laundry by hand in the river, chopping firewood to heat our homes -- but pregnancy remains.

Unless you're rich, of course. My wealthy friend, whose first pregnancy required a hysterectomy due to placenta accreta, will have her second child via a surrogate, using pre-frozen embryos. This costs upwards of $100,000, which is approximately equal to the entire median wealth of an American household.

Who would begrudge my friend this? And even if she were able to bear a second child herself, who would begrudge her the opportunity to outsource it? Artificial wombs are simply a way to take a privilege for the upper class, and make it possible for other classes of society to enjoy it as well.

And this is how it'll almost certainly be received. Angry Twitter people always seem to envision new technologies as something that government imposes on the populace, possibly at the behest of mad billionaires. In the real world, what usually happens is that people simply adopt a new technology because they realize it makes life easier for them. Roon has a good thread about how this is likely to proceed:

Yeah the knee jerk naturalist anti tech responses disgust me when you consider what people are expected to go through and the current inequality with surrogacy.

I imagine the cost varies considerably as there are some countries like the UK where it's illegal to pay surrogates beyond like general expenses related to the pregnancy so they have to volunteer. It's considered more ethical since they can't be argued to be doing it out of desperation, and to avoid trafficking I guess, but it seems better that people would get paid for that like other high risk jobs. Even then though you still have to pay to freeze eggs since the NHS only covers it for people undergoing cancer therapy or who medically transistion if trans I think (which I have to say is an incentive to do that.)

Maybe in China the government will try to force womb tanks on people to try to raise the birth rate; in America, it'll start out as a luxury purchased by the rich and the infertile, and then in a few years we'll have online socialists angrily demanding that the tech be provided free of charge to all via a program of universal health care. Eventually we'll wonder how we ever did things any other way.

I hope so but I think the US might be doomed in that sense because there's no precedent. They don't listen to left wing Americans about universal healthcare in general after all and I said even in the UK egg freezing isn't covered except in very limited cases.

In fact, I've been hoping for womb tanks for a very long time, because of science fiction. One of my favorite sci-fi authors, Lois McMaster Bujold, includes "uterine replicators" as a prominent feature of her futuristic "Vorkosigan" universe (which you should definitely read if you haven't already). The tech is initially reviled as unnatural by the conservative inhabitants of the somewhat backwards planet Barrayar, but eventually it turns out that everyone loves it and it just makes life a lot easier. Like Grimes, Bujold envisions womb tanks helping push the world toward greater gender equality.

Artificial womb technology is bound to face plenty of pushback on the somewhat backwards planet Earth, just as it does in the fictional Barrayar. Because, well, it's artificial. The idea of abruptly mechanizing such a basic and fundamental part of human life as pregnancy causes some people to recoil in future-shock. Even when it becomes relatively commonplace, some will probably continue to argue that it's unnatural, some on religious grounds. In fact, as innovation shifts from gadgets and code to biotech and wetware in general, I expect such pushbacks to increase.

But in order to embrace biotech innovation, we need to understand that it's not really any weirder or more unnatural than the kinds of innovation we've been almost continually embracing for a century and a half now. Technology isn't becoming weird; technology has always been weird. In fact, in a very deep sense, that's what technology does --- by increasing human capabilities, it changes the fundamental shape of human life.

Technology doesn't just increase human capabilities. Technology weirds the world.

Just to drive this point home, I thought I'd make a list of some human experiences that were very basic and normal -- almost universal -- in 1980, but which are now so rare as to be almost unimaginable for much of the population. [...]

9. Getting chicken pox. This was a rite of passage for every kid. You got chicken pox, you itched like crazy for a week, and then you were done with it. It was so inevitable, and so safe, that some people would even intentionally infect their kids with it, just to get it over with. Now, thanks to the varicella vaccine that was introduced in 1995, almost no one gets chicken pox.

Unfortunately people do still get chicken pox often in many countries including the UK because we don't vaccinate against it except for people who have weakened immune systems or who are in contact with someone who is high risk for getting seriously ill from it. I think they might be planning to change that soon or maybe already have but the NHS website still says that. So I was born in 1991 and still got chicken pox as a kid.

Essentially the decision over this was because it was considered not cost effective and because it was believed that exposure to children with the virus would prevent older adults from getting shingles which is usually worse (since the virus basically stays dormant and can be reactivated in later life.) You could still get the vaccines privately for like 150 pounds, but most people wouldn't think to do that due to a lack of knowledge about potential rare side effects that are more severe.

Unfortunately in rare cases the disease is also serious and fatal in children so this decision has led to multiple deaths:

In Easter Sunday 2009, Angie Bunce-Mason noticed that her three-year-old daughter Elana had developed a rash on her body - the tell-tale sign of chickenpox, the common childhood infection which is caused by the varicella-zoster virus.

Her older brother, then six, had contracted chickenpox a week earlier and recovered normally. As an otherwise healthy infant, Bunce-Mason assumed that her daughter would also have few problems. "Like many parents, I just viewed chickenpox as a part of childhood life," she recalls. "I had never heard of anyone experiencing any problems, so I wasn't worried. I even commented to my husband that I was glad she would be getting it out of the way before starting school," she says.

But as the week went on, Elana became worryingly lethargic. On the Friday night, her parents took her to see a doctor who diagnosed her with possible pneumonia. She was rushed to accident and emergency where she went into cardiac arrest a few hours later. By 7am Saturday morning, Elana had died. A pathology report found that the virus had spread to her lungs and wreaked widespread damage, causing lesions which proved ultimately fatal.

"The doctor who performed the post-mortem said that Elana had the worst case of chickenpox that he had ever seen," says Bunce-Mason, who has spent most of the past 15 years attempting to raise awareness among parents and health professionals that chickenpox, a disease encountered by almost all children during their first five years of life, can turn fatal.

However, the decision not to vaccinate children against chickenpox is down to more than budget constraints - in many parts of the world, it's a calculated risk that aims to prevent disease in a different group: older adults.

You might want to stop constantly mentioning money then. No matter the topic I find people always doing this... It's like when there's a serious natural disaster and most of the discussion is about property damage...

The story of the chickenpox vaccine dates back to the early 1970s when a Japanese virologist called Michiaki Takahashi isolated a strain of herpes virus, which would become known as varicella-zoster, in a three-year-old boy.

This helped yield a vaccine which was initially approved in Japan in 1986, before one became available in the US in 1995. Anne Gershon, professor of paediatrics at Columbia University in New York, recalls how before it was introduced, there would be rare but horrific cases of children who recovered from leukaemia, but later died of chickenpox as their immune systems were too weakened to fight off the infection. "While it's usually a mild illness, it may be severe in immunocompromised children," she says.

Overall, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that during the first 25 years of the chickenpox vaccination programme, the jab prevented an estimated 91 million cases, 238,000 hospitalisations, and 2,000 deaths. While numerous countries have since followed suit, with Australia funding the varicella vaccine under their National Immunisation Programme in 2005 and Israel making varicella vaccination mandatory for children in 2008, there are still many countries that remain reticent to incorporate it as a routine childhood jab. This includes the UK, France, Denmark, Portugal, Norway, and Sweden.

So why the reluctance? Some of the concerns have stemmed from the potential consequences of vaccine hesitancy, which was named as one of the top 10 threats to global health by the WHO in 2019. If a large proportion of children are receiving the varicella vaccine, then the virus will no longer circulate to the same extent in the community. This could leave any unvaccinated children more susceptible to contracting the virus for the first time as adults, where the consequences can be more severe, especially in pregnant women as there is a risk of the virus harming the unborn foetus.

But the biggest fear has been lingering concerns that chickenpox vaccination might increase the risk of shingles among unvaccinated individuals in later life. This often painful and debilitating condition is also caused by infection with the varicella-zoster virus. Shingles rates are also expected to rise around the world as the population ages.

At first, the connection between chickenpox vaccine and risk of shingles might seem opaque and even counterintuitive. Essentially when we contract chickenpox as children, the virus' DNA lingers deep in our nerve cells, giving it the capability of reactivating many decades later. However, being exposed to small children carrying the virus during our midlife years and even old age is thought to have a protective effect, as it exposes us to small doses of the virus which act as a booster to the immune system and help to prevent the varicella-zoster in our cells from flaring up again.

One of the concerns has long been that if most children received a chickenpox vaccine, this boosting effect would be removed, possibly causing adult immunity to wane faster and leading to more shingles cases. Pollard says this led cautious public health officials to question whether a chickenpox vaccination campaign would really represent value for money.

"If the number of shingles cases started to rise over time, it would be a lot harder for the chickenpox vaccine to be cost-effective," says Ellen Rafferty, a researcher at the University of Alberta in Canada, who has attempted to model the various scenarios in the past. "But while there still remain a lot of unknowns, we have not seen any conclusive evidence of this," she says.

I think possibly in response to this they've also changed the age where you can get a shingles vaccine to 65 if you turn 65 in 2023. But older adults have to wait till they're 70 still.

I'm not sure this would help me personally anyway because I'm basically never around young children and I'm not sure how long you'd have to have exposure for it to work. No one I spend significant time with has kids (one has a nephew he hangs out with at christmas but I don't see him often and I don't think exposure can work like that.) I don't leave the house that often and when I do I don't necessarily run into young kids often either. Of course in Japan (they have the vaccination anyway probably since they created it,) there are villages with no or very few kids where this would be especially useless.

For some reason there's a trend to decorate these dying places with stuffed dolls ?? It's quirky and creepy:

A village is replacing young people with mannequins as population dwindles: 'Outnumbered by puppets'

The village has a population of 60, with the last baby being born two decades ago

With fewer than 60 people living in the Japanese village of Ichinono, and a majority past retirement age, residents have installed handcrafted stuffed mannequins to recreate the once bustling community.

According to data from the internal affairs ministry, only one baby was born in Ichinono in the last two decades.

The youngest member of the village is two-year-old Kuranosuke, who came to the village in 2021 with his parents, Rie Kato, 33, and Toshiki Kato, 31. The couple chose to move to the rural area from Osaka because of the sense of community, which they found lacking in the city.

So that's one place I was reading about another village thought this might have been the same one but it's not:

JAPAN: In the village of Nagoro in western Japan, there are no cheerful voices or laughter of children playing on the streets.

The school, the bus-stops and even the streets are eerily quiet. That?s because there are no more children in this community where the last school closed in 2012.

Tsukimi Ayano, 69, is one of only 27 residents remaining. To inject some life back into the village, she created life-sized dolls and scattered them all around the community.

They dot the landscape - along the streets, outside empty storefronts, clustered in the defunct schoolroom, like a scene from a creepy movie set.

"Some (of the dolls) resemble people who used to live here or passed away," said Ayano. Once a thriving village of 300 folks, Nagoro faded after residents died or moved away looking for employment. The youngest villager today is 55 years old.

I also really hate how people emphasise cost and economic factors whenever discussing anything and health and people dying is basically an after thought...

In the last five years, opinions has begun to shift following large-scale epidemiological studies which have shown that the US and other countries have not actually seen the feared increase in shingles cases over the last three decades. One UK study even estimated that the supposed immunity boosting effect of adults exposed to infected children might be less impactful than previously thought.

It's important to know how many people in those countries have been vaccinated against shingles too though. You'd have to assume they'd factor that in but I don't really trust a planet of people who's descisions are made predominantly based on cost. At any rate it will only have a potentially negative effect on people who were born after the vaccine became available so a few generations at most. Except for the people who refuse to vaccinate their kids maybe... It's an incredibly contagious virus so you'd need a pretty high degree of people to be immune I'd guess. A the article mentions people are still dying from chickenpox in small numbers in the US:

Such complications are more common than many realise, particularly in adults who never built up immunity through experiencing chickenpox as a child. One epidemiological survey in France found that severe chickenpox-related complications occurred in 3% of under 15s, and 6% of over 15s. In total, 65 people of all ages died from chickenpox in the UK between 2015 and 2020, while even in the US, where vaccination is common, there are still around 30 deaths from chickenpox every year. The World Health Organization (WHO) has previously estimated that there are approximately 4.2 million cases of severe chickenpox-related complications around the world each year, and 4,200 related deaths.

For Bunce-Mason, the news comes with mixed feelings. While she is pleased that the vaccine is finally being recommended in the UK, she feels that the excessive caution surrounding its introduction has resulted in preventable harm. She cannot help but think of how it might have prevented the tragic loss of her daughter, which still impacts her family on a daily basis.

"The impact of Elana's death on our family has been horrendous," says Bunce-Mason. "Her brother Reuben still feels extreme guilt and believes that he is responsible for Elana contracting chickenpox and her death," she says. "As parents, we were robbed of our daughter. Our family life has never been the same. Last year was Reuben's 21st, our 20th wedding anniversary and it would have been Elana's 18th birthday. As parents to young children, we had always said we would have a big family celebration when this time came, but once Elana died there wasn't the joy to celebrate it anymore."

[Nyctophilia]

Lol I love how people were claiming Trump was going to be the anti war candidate.

"The border of Canada is an artificially drawn line."

"We have to take over Greenland and won't rule out using force."

*ignores article 5 apparently.*

So not only are you oligarchical but also imperalistic? And it's been 5 minutes. Technically it hasn't been 5 minutes. It's not even the 20th of January yet.

Also love how delusional and narcissistic Trump's fanboys are.

And why is his son going to Greenland? He's not even acting as a president imo. It's as I said in my previous post when I compared him to the Collins family. Rich narcissistic elitist assholes think they can just buy everything.

Also reminds me of the Collins family who just wanted to basically buy the Isle of Man but then just got trolled by an undercover guy working for a charity lol (I really don't like this family but I cba going into why. I have watched a bunch of their YouTube videos they are elitists really. I mean they admit that themselves):

The voting rights of citizens of the city-state would be linked to their value to society, according to the Collinses' presentation. The proposed city-state government would have "incentive systems that grant more voting power to creators of economically productive agents? and would be run by a single "executor" - which the proposal also called a "dictator" - with full control of the government's laws and operational structure. The executor would be replaced every four years by three "wards", according to the slide deck. Wards would be elected by previous executors.

It may appear that the Collinses' views are so far outside the mainstream that one could shrug off pronouncements as eccentric and alarmist. But the Collinses are part of a movement they call the "new right", which rejects some aspects of traditional conservatism and bills itself as pragmatic, family-oriented and anti-bureaucratic. They staunchly support the Republican ticket, Donald Trump and JD Vance, and billionaire Elon Musk.

Last year, Malcolm Collins said he thought the Isle of Man would be the best place to begin.

"I actually think that's the most viable place to do it. You're near the center of Europe, you're in a rapidly depopulating area, you can tell them look, this will obviously bring a lot of technology and investment to your country. But the great thing about a proposal like this is even if they turn it down, you can take it to other countries," Malcolm told the man purporting to be an investor at the time.

The funding never materialized and the proposal was never pitched to the Isle of Man, a British crown dependency located in the Irish Sea, because the man who claimed to be a wealthy investor was actually an undercover researcher with Hope Not Hate, a UK-based anti-racism group. It shared video recordings of the encounters with the Collinses - and a copy of their presentation - with the Guardian.

Asked about the slide deck in an interview with the Guardian last week in their home in Audubon, Pennsylvania, Simone and Malcolm, who work together and appear rarely to be apart, acknowledged that their proposal "wasn't supposed to be public". But Simone Collins nevertheless said she stood by its core tenets "100%", including the idea of mass-producing embryos, and of giving people who they deem to be less productive members of society less voting power.

"If you are draining resources, you should have less influence," she said.

Asked about how it felt to be the subject of undercover research, Malcolm Collins said: "The experience was quite validating for both us and our movement." He added: "Now I think it is pretty clear that despite us not socially isolating people with toxic views, the worst views we actually have are being slightly elitist and weird eccentrics (which isn?t exactly surprising to anyone)."

The couple say their ideas were meant to be experimental and fit for a city-state, not a democracy such as the US. But the views are not dissimilar to ones expressed by one of Simone and Malcolm?s political heroes, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, JD Vance. In a July 2021 speech, Vance said parents should be given "an advantage" and "more power" in the voting process than those who don?t have children.

I support Greenland's right to autonomy from Denmark if they want that but the imperialists in the US can in general [BEEP] off.

You already have the 4th biggest country landwise afaik. The audacity.

if 100,000 people in Greenland (oh wow I read the population was 100,000 somewhere but that person was misinformed it's like half that lol, 56,865~) want to be part of the US they can move there that's what I think and at least a few don't since they've commented on this and it doesn't seem like the prime minister of Greenland is super thrilled with the idea either.

COPENHAGEN, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Greenland may become independent if its residents want, but is unlikely to become a U.S. state, Denmark's foreign minister said on Wednesday after U.S. President-elect Donald Trump refused to rule out force to take control of the Arctic island.

Greenland's leader met with the Danish king in Copenhagen on Wednesday, a day after Trump's remarks thrust the fate of the mineral-rich and strategically important island, which is under Danish rule, to the top of world headlines.

If it became completely independent I don't think it would be part of NATO anymore? So the US could more easily take it.

It's beyond me why people respect authority so much. In my view all leaders who start wars should be fired, if that doesn't work assasinated (imprisonment also works.) The next person who comes in if they play the same game, same thing. The only reason this doesn't work is because people respect r*tarded authority. Nobody should be defending these individuals. Remove all of them and it will improve the gene pool too.

You don't need them they are not scientific geniuses. There's no difference between these guys and Charles Manson.

I know the US president needs the approval of congress to start a war (depending on how many obsessed fanboys are in the military) but that's more of a general global statement and at any rate the US congress could be full of people who agree in which case they would have to also be removed.

Basically everytime someone agrees to war they should be removed from power. Everywhere. This shouldn't be impossible, most (all?) Countries have laws against murder. Hell a bunch of authoritarian countries including the UK have laws against implying you're going to murder someone (which are policed in a very inconsistent manner seemingly to create a chilling effect and self censorship.)

People should also refuse to fight stupid bs wars more often but it seems weirdly common for people to propagandise men in particular. On that note people who shame men for not going to war should actually be locked in prison.

I would also destroy all nuclear weapons simultaneously. Anyone caught building one is again going to prison for life.

Building an army that isn't connected to a nation? Prison for you before it even gets to that level. If it doesn't seem to be effective because the local population is too r*tarded then more extreme measures will be taken.

Everyone who is disatisfied with the amount of land their country has and grumbling about it, will be forced by law again to devote the rest of their life to the development of space travel and terraforming inhospitable environments instead as there are lots of seemingly uninhabited rocks. It's illegal to declare this space for specific nations but as God emperor I'll have to put more thought into how I solve the potential issue of interplanetary war or (if even possible,) intergalactic war.

I guess I'll be kind and offer them the alternative opportunity to kill each other by rounding up all the people who are obsessed with fighting and who can't function otherwise and then they can just have a battle like in Battle Royale or Squid Game. They can choose to fight alone or in teams. Only one winner/team can survive. They can then reapply. If they extend the fighting outside of the agreed upon area with fencing then they are arrested again.

This is what I'd do if I was dictator of the planet with some kind of robot army.



"You're building a nuclear bomb - right to jail."

I think that's fair tbh.

"We have the most peaceful Humans on Earth. Because of jail." (and also the only Humans since I'm dictator.)

I'm also curious about whether removing nuclear weapons might increase the birth rate. I'm not desperate for it to increase in general it's just interesting to hypothetically ponder on things that stop people wanting to reproduce. You know like pandas. I think that could be one of the many things but no way to prove it until I'm dictator.



I wish this was as worse as people get.

"With the government shut down who's going to stop Al Qaeda?"

Do I have a solution for you.

Mildly amazing to remember that the entirety of Star Trek takes place in just one galaxy

Of course, the Milky Way.

And just think: by the latest estimates, there's at least two trillion galaxies in the observable universe.

I know Tom Paris travelled to an unknown number of galaxies during his Warp 10 shenanigans in the episode 'Threshold'. But still.

I was wondering tbh. I thought maybe some species lived in other galaxies but I know a lot of them off the top of my head are in this galaxy but tbh the galaxy is so huge that you'd take a long time to explore it all and the time frame of when Humans in Star Trek had begun space travel to whatever year it is is just centuries I think + it's mostly from Humanities pov.

The Star Trek timeline also includes World War 3, which began in 2026 and left Earth in ruins.

Oh.

I hope that's wrong then.

So they will hold an election to determine if Greenland wants to join the US, tech guru Musk will hack the polls and Greenland will become the 51st state in the US.

My advice to Greenland: use paper ballots!

Tbh there aren't enough people there for it to survive as a state after most if not everyone leaves. So ultimately it would become more like a US base. I'm assuming he wants the resources anyway.

edit: interesting point:

His want of Greenland is an acknowledgement that climate change is real regardless of what conservatives say.
As now Greenland (and Canada) will be highly influential in natural resources and shipping lanes as the glaciers recede.

This is bs between Russia, China and the US as well who are all highly imperialistic - that nobody else should have to deal with.

You think you're amazing and can fix the Russia/Ukraine war so why would you need Greenland for national security?



Re: "do you think colonialism was this stupid back in the medieval period"

People were pretty stupid back then and during the dark ages so possibly, but at various other points in time no not exactly. I mean the general public maybe but people used to be more intelligent and eloquent you can tell from writing etc. Basically what I'm saying is in Western Europe Trump wouldn't have existed during most of history post 1500 until very recently. I imagine in ancient Greece some people might have been like him and this inspired Plato's Republic etc. Also Americans (since that country existed,) have always had different personas in their leaders and different preferences in personas but probably not this ridiculous.

Also the video thumbnail lol. Trump has always had an issue with windmills I think. I think from what I vaguely one of his top 10 incoherent rants I listened to was about that or partly about that. I vaguely remember watching a video once and was amazed that in a period of about 20 minutes he didn't say anything that remotely made sense. It was all nonsense. I'm sure part of it was about windmills.

When I say nonsense I mean that crazy apocalypse rapture pastor video I posted yesterday (?) made more sense.

Also another thing he likes to rant about a bunch of water and washing machines lol.

That Steve guy he invites on seems super nervous for some reason. After he just went on about how great he was at negotiating and I... Strongly doubt that if that's how he comes across to people. Realistically.

If Trump actually acquires Canada, the Panama Canal, and Greenland, what would stop Putin and Xi from doing the same with their neighboring countries? If the USA takes such actions, it would become a worldwide concern.

I can't see him aquiring Canada despite his idiotic statement. I think he's definitely going to try with Greenland and the Panama Canal. China is definitely going to try and take Taiwan at some point.

Japan has a bunch of laws involving the development of a military (more stupidly biased global laws, more proof that we need to globally ban militaries,) and is dependent on the US, so I can't see them doing much so will basically depend on US and South Korea if they feel like defending Taiwan. I haven't looked into that enough to know if that's likely but I'm 80% sure China are going to try at some point.

Greenland must hold a popular referendum allowing the people to decide their destiny and giving President Trump the opportunity to make the case directly to the people for joining the U.S.

It's extremely important for the security of the U.S., Greenland, and global stability.

Each state in USA much hold a referendum allowing the people to decide their destiny and giving foreign leaders the opportunity to make the case directly to the people for joining another country.

Vermont would be a nice addition to Denmark.

Perhaps Norway wants North Dakota?

I guess if they're going to set this Precedent sure. Would be hilarious if half the US seeks independence. Honestly I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen long term.

I think these two should become seperate countries (haven't decided on the rest) but the Western US block should have a freedom of movement agreement with British Columbia or British Columbia could join that country and Hawaii should prob be part of that block too:



The Western part should make a little alien face their logo. Because of Roswell.

Kind of wanted to make New York and New Jersey seperate countries for the lols but whatever. I didn't put a lot of effort into this mostly just wanted a cool country that has alien land (New Mexico,) Nevada, the desert area, and the pacific South/North West states. Some of that region is fairly politically unified. Arizona was just kind of awkwardly there and part of the landscape + inbetween NM and NV so would be awkward to seperate it.

Maybe the Eastern block of the US could join the Eastern part of Canada then they can get free healthcare etc. Scotland can leave the UK and then can join Nova Scotia as an independent country. Lol I figured:

Scotland could join Canada, but should it? Your responses

The great Scottish poet Robert Burns once wrote that "the best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley."

Or, as they say in Canada, "The best laid schemes of mice and men go often askew".

Perhaps that explains how, in the midst of Brexit negotiations and as Scotland weighs a second referendum on independence, an obscure Canadian writer was able to capture people's imagination with his unconventional proposal: Scotland could quit the UK and join Canada instead.

I'm sure I knew this and forgot.

The prarie provinces seem to like the conservative areas and politics of the US so they can join together and the UK should join Japan and just have free travel between the two countries not because I live in one of them but they both like tea and they're island countries. So basically the same. We'll have to ignore how bad that would be for the environment when everyone's like 'woo free holiday.' (Vacation if you're from Alien country.)

I'd also like to be part of Alien country.

Also I am dictator of the world atm and I solved the problem of war globally and everyone gets free mermaid pillows with a celebrity of their choice's face on and 3 marshmallows each. Except vegetarians and vegans who get three tiny mushrooms or maybe vegan marshmallows but they probably still have to be mushroom flavoured. Mushroom burgers are really good so I feel like this logic must extend to all substitutions of this kind. Also mushroommallow sounds cute. Honestly the fact that nobody has proposed free universal marshmallows before. I mean it's disgusting. So I can give myself citizenship of three countries. As a treat. But Alien country only counts as one (it's just called Alien country now it's official,) since Japan and UK are just going to be one country anyway according to the real new world order.

I would not be able to trust the results of such a referendum honestly. One way or another he's going to engineer things so the US takes Greenland imo.

Americans are so stupid. You don't even know that this place is Europe. It's a danish territory

Do you know the difference between America and France? France will always talk about what we in Europe should do, while the United States will act. Even I am Chinese and I know this, the French want to exclude the Americans from Europe, but France does not have that ability.

USA are our ennemies since the last election. We have here a clue of what is going to happen in a few weeks. 🙄

Come fight us then😂😂 qu*er

Your president will lead the world to a nightmare.

Yours already did😂 we're just trying to clean y'all?s mess up. Cry about it dumb liberal

😂 we'll see?

You sir will soon need an American passport to enter Greenland

I don't think this guy realises that Greenland isn't part of the Schengen area and that guy is posting from France.... I also don't think he understands how passports work since most of the time you can only get one from a country you're a citizen of but sometimes you can get one as a national as well. Why would your passport be American? And how are they going to have tourists from outside US if they do that? Is Greenland going to become North Korea 2.0 where the US is like their China?

[Nyctophilia]

I have four kids the two oldest are girls. My oldest son had a chicken when he was somewhere around 5 to 8. No one could catch it but it would always come to him if he lifted his arms up for it. It lived outside in the backyard but would run inside now and then and sleep in his lap. One day our dog killed it. Instead of burying it I told him that it would be a waste. We cooked it. That was sort of his introduction to death.

This reminds me too much of Hannibal Lecter's origin story to ever think that's a good idea. Especially at that age. So many people (myself included) can trace weird fetishes to that period of life. Now for me it's worked out OK.. But still. Jeffrey Dahmer.... Not so much. (By worked out OK I mean I didn't become a criminal + my primary fetish is too abstract really.)

[Nyctophilia]

Lol this guy leaving out the big part:

Yikes! The trolls on this forum!

Holy cow, I just wanted to brag about my new child but there are some vile people in this world and they all hate large families it appears.

Thank you to everyone who said something positive. I promise you that all of the children are well cared for and healthy.

We are not rich but we do have a robust family support network with active grandparents and aunts and uncles. We do live in something or a community of family all very close and that makes every thing so much easier.

Anyway, ignore the trolls. They're just miserable people with an axe to grind. My adult children are all close to the family and starting families of their own now. This lifestyle can definitely produce happy, healthy generations of close knit families.

Your coyness in pretending getting that exact response was not your purpose is almost as adorable as that baby.

"and based on your comment history, how many wives do you have"

Many of us support having large families, but not at any cost.

Oof, when people say they are a blended family, I think of The Brady Bunch, not Sister Wives...

I have an ex-wife, a baby momma and one current wife. I'm shockingly mainstream.

So you're not raising all these kids, it's not even possible. You're creating a lot of broken homes.

I am raising all of these kids. Certainly not the way I would have preferred with six of them but I was still present in their lives and paid my support and fathered as best I could from a separate household. It's not ideal but it's doable. Although it is much easier when they're in the house. There was only one who wasn't born into a monogamous, legal marriage.

I want to hear the black sheep of your children tell it. Not the spin they give you to support your ego but the [BEEP] they tell their spouses.

Broken maybe, but still alive! Adversity makes for strong people. And it sounds like OP is trying his best.

From OP's responses, it sounds like 6 or 7 kids don't live in his household (probably the kids from his ex-wife), and he subscribes to a sub that believes in Biblical polygyny and absolute patriarchal authority, that literally wants people to structure their family lives like Old Testament figures like Abraham and Jacob.

OP's trying his best but to do what, exactly?

I guess context will make me eat my words.

Oh. You know why you're getting hate lol.

He posted this too (he's not been paying attention):

How come there seems to be no polyamorous atheist pronatalists?

Or polygamous, or polyandrous, or other types of poly. Like, I'm surprised Elon opted to donate his sperm to multiple baby mommies who live far apart instead of moving everyone together like old school Mormons. I'm sure some of the moms would agree to that. 🤔

Even when they were in a relationship of some sort Elon couldn't live with Grimes because she's messy and likes anime (that was the reasons given in an interview.) But it didn't seem like they were exclusive anyway and she kept calling him bro. She had to sue him to get access to her kids so it's going well. His first ex wife seems to hate him. I don't know about the employee (the one he had kids with without telling Grimes.) I don't think they were ever together so probably no desire to live with him.

I think Elon identifies as a pronatalist though, it's just that most people don't want to be around him for long.

This is one of Elon's daughters. You can see why some people might have some concerns (she really does hate him):



Because he's such a bad dad he's devoted himself to destroying the 'woke mind virus' cause he can never go back and be a good dad.

After Grimes said she supports his daughter (who is trans) he unfollowed her. Tbf he seems to do that a lot. Then follow her again. Peculiar.

Anyway. Treating him as a poster child of poly relationships is a real disservice to poly people.

Dating advice as a single woman

Alright folks... I have been trying to date in this environment for over 2 decades. I am now 42 and likely out of child bearing age which is a total bummer. I have never been married and I have no children.

I haven't been unable to find any man or couple that seems to take this idea seriously. It all turns into a sex conversation after the first few interactions which is incredibly annoying or people just spontaneously ghost. Also, especially early on, there doesn't seem to be much care taken from the established couples towards me as a single woman coming in to an already established relationship. I find that my needs aren't necessarily considered and I am not treated like a potential first wife would be treated during the courting stage. Additionally, there are so few people living this lifestyle for the right reasons and it seems that more than the majority are just doing it for sex. It is really disheartening.

I have tried numerous dating apps and I've got nothing. Any advice?

What' wrong with being primarily interested in sex? As long as it's honest then that's not an illegitimate reason to establish a relationship. And you can't expect to be treated the way a "first wife" was treated in her courtship. You're not a first wife. You're going to have to accept being treated the way a subsequent wife is treated.

Actually what's happened to her is pretty tragic. Most established couples who are looking for a third are unicorn hunters. They won't respect you. They want you to be their sexual plaything.



A lot of people know this especially in the [BEEP] community but she's posting on a biblical poly subreddit so seems to have figured that out later than most (and yet those ones aren't safe at all either see the video above.) I don't know why she's deadset on this though. 2 decades is a long time to keep trying that if she was actively trying all that time and not taking breaks.

I didn't even bother with online dating lol such is my level of risk aversion. I was never even looking for a poly relationship either but the whole thing is a minefield. But by then I'd also set up a ton of requierments and loopholes for myself to jump through before I started dating again so didn't happen.

...I would rather have sex with his wife than him too (related to couple in video.) Really though I wouldn't want to with either of them because what they're doing is so gross but yes she is more attractive. Conservative men are never really attractive imo (I mean it really is my opinion I'm very picky and obviously others like them,) unless they're weird right wing Nick Fuentes femboy or androgynous fanboys or something on twitter I guess. Like him (video unrelated to politics just unhinged):



"If you found out enough about me you probably wouldn't like me either. But I am cute, you can't lie I am cute."

It's very funny and true.

Conservative women are often attractive though. Like Abby Shapiro (she has another name now since she's married but I'll never remember it,) and her:



Tragic again really.

Is this even a real response? I'm pretty confident that it's a very low percentage of relationships based on sex that last long-term. If you want to have a sex based surface relationship, then knock yourself out. I'm looking for something that's deeper, more genuine, and long-lasting.

Your comment about not treating your 1st wife as an equal to your 2nd wife couldn't more embody exactly what I'm describing above. You're literally the embodiment of all things stereotypical in this sector. Lol! If you're not treating your wives as equals, then you're doing it wrong. Good luck.

Well said here, while there is some difference in how you go about dating a potential 2nd wife or whichever number it is.

Biblically, the benefits afforded the first wife should not decrease, which means the 2nd wife should not be coming in to a relationship and getting less than equal treatment.

First wife gets the house, 2nd gets the shed, third gets the doghouse? Where does it end if we take this attitude towards our families?

What? The first wife's benefits shouldn't decrease so the second wife should get exactly what the first wife has? That statement isn't logically coherent.

He tried to walk it back later:

I'm sorry Lauren but you're mistaken. You can base a relationship on anything if both sides are committed to seeing it through. I've known couples who bonded around their love of walking. If someone wanted to marry a ballroom dance partner you wouldn't blink at that. Sex is as legitimate as anything else as long as the end result is a lifelong bond. I should add here that I believe sex is the last thing that should happen in a relationship, once sex occurs the relationship should last a lifetime. I'm not advocating for free movement or swinging.

Also, you pulled a little bait and switch there. I didn't say that the wives wouldn't be equal, I said that they weren't the same. I don't treat my second son the same way I treat my oldest son but they're equal. I think you might be thinking of polygyny as getting half a man, or a man half the time. That's one way to do it for sure, but probably the hardest way to do it.

None of you n---as was wifey material
None of you n---as was worth all the drama (Ah)
None of you n---as was hittin' it raw
And mad I'm not one of your baby mamas

😉 (the wink in the video is important)



Personally I came across a few biblical poly people on twitter before. I posted about one of them before. He kept posting about lesbians and was trying to break up this lesbian couple he knew and claimed both of them wanted to be with him but 'the one who he saw as the leader' was threatened by him while the other wanted him but deep down they both wanted him. He was very homophobic. And was delusional in general about his attractiveness. He would just try to get random women into the idea by talking about how it can save on housework too cause he wanted bangmaids really.

[Nyctophilia]

Do you like how British people treat black cats?

In some countries they see black cats as evil, something associated with demons, witches, I don't want to name countries. But what I love is how 99% of British people don't believe in that type of myth and treat black cats with love, compassion etc. I know it sounds silly but yeah

That's because black cats are considered good luck in the UK. Though I assume because of the Americanisation of most Anglosphere cultures that will change a bit. Like you watch US TV shows and adopt those beliefs.

"I don't want to name countries"

OK I will lol.

You can see that in the comments on the thread:

Brit here, my mum always said that if a black cat crosses the road in front of you from left to right it means you'll have 5 years of good luck! She passed it down from her mum!

"Brit here"

The subreddit is called 'Ask UK' 😓

That's interesting, because my mum and here mum used to tell me that it was bad luck. I wonder how the story changed up the path.

American media.

My grandmother used to tell me that if you see a black cat walk under a ladder that it was bad luck 🤣

Lol she mixed two superstitions together.

Apparently they get adopted less which is sad. They're my favourite along with ginger cats.

Lol I've never heard of void cats before:

One of my neighbours has a small black cat that's just a ball of fluff, it keeps its distance but watches and will eventually come over and sometimes I'll catch it on top of a garage or fence watching me, following slowly, only it's eyes visible. I refer to it as the Void and it is beautiful

I absolutely have to agree, void cats have been some of the best cat's I've ever had the pleasure of sharing my life with. So much character it's unreal...

Love a voidy boi, mesmerising little doofuses

There's a subreddit lol:

VoidCats

Void Cats, not to be confused with r/BlackCats Void cats are cats that have an indistinguishable shape, they are usually black cats that at a distance look like an ambiguous blob of cat. AKA, the Where's Waldo of cats

I don't dislike all of US cultural trends coming over btw. Halloween was a much bigger deal over there and has gradually become slightly more prominent here and that's cool. Halloween is the coolest holiday really. Depends on whether it suits my aesthetic and cultural preferences.

From what I remember the American tendency to see black cats as evil comes from Germany? Maybe just mainland Europe in general. I thought it had something to do with the black plague but that wouldn't really make sense since the UK was still effected.

https://www.history.com/news/black-cats-superstitions

Obviously they became tied with the occult in many places and then opinions on that were further mixed:

Written records link black cats to the occult as far back as the 13th century when an official church document called*"Vox in Rama"*was issued by Pope Gregory IX on June 13, 1233. ?In it, black cats were declared an incarnation of Satan,? says Layla Morgan Wilde, author of*Black Cats Tell: True Tales And Inspiring Images. ?The decree marked the beginning of the inquisition and church-sanctioned heretic and/or witch hunts. Initially it was designed to squash the growing cult of Luciferians in Germany, but quickly spread across Europe."

In addition to their early association with Satan, cats also became inextricably linked to*witches*in medieval Europe. According to*Cerridwen Fallingstar, Wiccan priestess and author of*Broth from the Cauldron: A Wisdom Journey through Everyday Magic,*witches were the pre-Christian pagan practitioners of Europe.

Although the early Christian church in Europe coexisted with witches, as the church gained power, she says that they saw witches as their direct competition in gaining the hearts and minds of the people. That's when the church began hunting, persecuting, torturing and killing witches in vast numbers, she explains.

"Witches honored the natural world, having deep respect for plants and animals," says Fallingstar. "Affection between human and animal therefore began to be seen as 'diabolical', or devilish, and the old lady with her cats became seen as suspect."

But it wasn't only the connection they fabricated between witches, cats, and the devil that the early Christians feared: they also saw them both as threats. "Cats, like the women accused of witchcraft, tend to exhibit a healthy disrespect of authority," she notes. "They don't fawn, like dogs, upon even the unworthy. In the church, neither independent women, nor independent animals, were to be tolerated."

The early population of the US was made up of some of the most religious and Conservative Europeans so it sort of makes sense that they took that belief with them.

I think it's an evolutionary thing. They want women to reproduce and witches were often women who didn't or refused but sometimes also disagreeable women in general. They liked cats - who weren't even Human so were devoting emotional labour outside the tribe (the species even.) Instead of helping instill the traditions of the group in younger children, they were often eccentric or disagreed with the mainstream culture.

A lot of the victims of the witch trials were actually teens girls but older women were sometimes attacked since older women are expected to help with childcare and such after their own kids are grown up (evo-psych explanation for menopause actually.)

Current Western culture doesn't push that expectation as much and the result is a lower birth rate since boomers regardless of gender aren't really willing to help their kids out with grandkids or families live far away in the first place. People are instinctively put off the idea knowing there's less support. Especially if they can't afford to pay for support.

I'm not judging them for that I'm just stating a fact that the lack of intergenerational community is one thing contributing to the lower birth rates.

Often younger people prefer to be independent anyway so it goes both ways. People are deeply uncomfortable spending time with their partner's family generally. The historical tradition of marriage focused more on the idea of uniting two families than modern relationships do. If you don't get married or have kids you could potentially avoid meeting family indefinitely.

At some point, the pairing of witches with cats narrowed to black cats, although Fallingstar says that it?s not entirely clear why that happened. "The relationship between witches and black cats, in particular, is probably imaginary, but it is possible that black cats make better mousers, since they cannot be seen at night and therefore have a hunting advantage," she explains. "Witches do tend towards the practical."

Eventually, the fear surrounding black cats and their association with witchcraft made its way across the Atlantic, courtesy of Puritan colonists, says Daniel Compora, associate professor of English language and literature at The University of Toledo. "The idea that witches could turn into their familiar likely evolved from those accused of witchcraft having cats as pets," he explains.

'Witches do tend towards the practical' Lol.

Black in general has certain symbolic associations in Western culture that are probably related. It might also be connected to spirit animal/therian type beliefs that have exisisted in many cultures throughout the world.

The history of Europe has always been a kind of war or negotiatian (at best) between Christianity and older pagan beliefs. Gnosticism incorporated this too with the archons who resemble older polytheistic deities and are considered evil leaders of the material realm keeping Huma s trapped in matter:

Archons (Greek: ἄρχων, romanized: rchōn, plural: ἄρχοντες,*?rchontes), in*Gnosticism*and religions closely related to it, are the builders of the physical universe. Among the Archontics, Ophites, Sethians and in the writings of*Nag Hammadi library, the archons are rulers, each related to one of*seven planets; they prevent souls from leaving the material realm. The political connotation of their name reflects rejection of the governmental system, as flawed without chance of true salvation.[1] In Manichaeism, the archons are the rulers of a realm within the "Kingdom of Darkness", who together make up the Prince of Darkness. In*The Hypostasis of the Archons, the physical appearance of Archons is described as hermaphroditic, with their faces being those of beasts.[2][3][4]

They blend together genders and non-Human animal with Human its all very contemporary and eternal. You find all the same groups today. It's inspired art and music a lot of course (not necessarily directly) especially in the UK?:

He's wearing a red dress and a fox mask lol:



IAMX has also incorporated both androgyny and animal themes into his work and aesthetics:



He was wearing a cat mask during some performances and maybe im one video... Think I just found a photo with some bunny ears. Can't embed them right now though. Most are encrypted images or too big and fixing that is too annoying on phone.



I love the black gloves with clawed nails. They're kind of scaled too and seem kind of dragon like. I like stuff like that I looked up the ones he's wearing too since clearly he'd bought a bunch of stuff from this one acquaintance that he's plugging lol at the time. But way too expensive for me.

His videos often look like they belong in an art museum tbh. But the best part (that bothers some people,) is he just mixes sexuality in like in this video at one point he has a butt plug (the effect of this mixing aesthetically doesn't always work equally well imo and sometimes is overly messy like in The Surrender video which is also more basic depends on what he was going for though I guess and it seems he might not always enjoy making videos anyway. I'm very into music videos but a lot of people see them as pointless or a distraction or taking away from the music):



Aeons are considered manifestations of the 'real God' in Gnosticism.

I assume he knows this because I remember in interviews from like 2016 etc he was reading books on alchemy etc and has an album called Metanoia:

The transition from immaterial to material, from noumenal to sensible, is created by a flaw, passion, or sin in an Aeon. According to*Basilides, it is a flaw in the last sonship; according to others the sin of the Great Archon, or Aeon-Creator, of the Universe; according to others it is the passion of the female Aeon*Sophia, who emanates without her partner Aeon, resulting in the Demiurge (Δημιουργός),[1] a creature that should never have been. This creature does not belong to Pleroma, and the One emanates two savior Aeons,*Christ*and*the*Holy Spirit, to save humanity from the Demiurge. Christ then took a human form (Jesus), to teach humanity how to achieve*Gnosis. The ultimate end of all Gnosis is*metanoia (μετάνοια), or repentance?undoing the sin of material existence and returning to Pleroma.

Aeons bear a number of similarities to Judaeo-Christian angels, including roles as servants and emanations of God, and existing as beings of light. In fact, certain Gnostic Angels, such as Armozel, are also Aeons. The Gnostic Gospel of Judas, found in 2006, purchased, held, and translated by the*National Geographic Society, also mentions Aeons.[2]

I like the addendum to that album that he released later too. It has a few good songs.



In this heat, I believe there is no future
Control and fear killing queers, Santa Claus, dictators
I was God, I was love, now I?m bleeding
Oh alchemy, alchemy can?t help me when
Everything is burning

You can see the reference.

But back to cats:

During the Middle Ages, it wasn't uncommon for cats to be killed, given their association with evil, Compora says. Some people even went as far as blaming cats for spreading the Bubonic plague and used that as another reason to get rid of them. However, their ill-conceived plan backfired.

"In a particularly bizarre piece of irony, the killing of the cats helped fuel the spread of the plague," Compora explains. "With the reduced number of cats to control the rodent population, the disease spread rapidly."

Yeah this is what I heard before about the plague.

In the UK there's some kind of tradition (though I think this is either rare or location specific because I've never known anyone to do this,) where its considered good luck to give a bride a black cat on her wedding day.

A very friendly black cat walked home with me on Christmas a few years ago. It rubbed up against me then walked ahead and kept stopping and looking back to wait for me to catch up then started walking again. Very cute.

Another cat which I think might have also been black though I don't remember now walked to school with me once as well.

There's a Scottish folklore cat too:

The cat-sith (Scottish Gaelic: [kʰaʰt̪*ˈʃiː], plural cait-sh?th), in Irish cat si (Irish:[kat̪ˠˈʃiː]), is a fairy creature from Celtic mythology, said to resemble a large black cat with a white spot on its chest. Legend has it that the spectral cat haunts the Scottish Highlands. The legends surrounding this creature are more common in Scottish folklore, but a few occur in Irish. Some common folklore suggested that the cat-s?th was not a fairy, but a witch that could transform into a cat nine times.[1][2][3]

Funnily enough the first time I encountered this though was in Final Fantasy VII because there's a character based on that story.

Apparently black cats are good luck in Japan.

[Nyctophilia]

This is a pretty extreme example I'm about to mention but there was an early example of this who was the guy who wrote that racist book I forget the name of who after his first wife divorced him kept marrying women from Eastern Europe (mostly Hungary I think,) and they all would leave him after moving to the US after a few years. Except the last one because he died but after his death she said he was condescending and that she was miserable living with him.

Couldn't remember his name it's William Luther Pierce and he wrote The Turner Diaries. Considering the time period, being married 5 times is really indicative of how highly disagreeable he was:

Pierce was married five times. His first marriage was to Patricia Jones, a mathematician whom he met while he was attending the California Institute of Technology. They were married in 1957 and had twin sons, Kelvin and Erik, born in 1960. Kelvin was an aerospace engineer, while Erik is a computer scientist.[5] According to Kelvin Pierce, his father had been emotionally and physically abusive.[43] In 2020, Kelvin coauthored Sins of My Father: Growing Up with America's Most Dangerous White Supremacist, which chronicled his experiences with his father.[44]

William Luther Pierce's marriage with Patricia Jones ended in divorce in 1982.[45] The same year, Pierce married Elizabeth Prostel whom he met in the National Alliance office in Arlington. The marriage ended in 1985 and Pierce moved his headquarters to southern West Virginia.[14] Preferring immigrant women from Eastern Europe,[13] in 1986 Pierce married a Hungarian woman named Olga Skerlecz. She is a relative of Iv?n Skerlecz, Governor of Croatia-Slavonia; the marriage lasted until 1990. Olga moved to California after their divorce.[45] Pierce then married another Hungarian woman named Zsuzsannah in early 1991. They met through an advertisement that Pierce placed in a Hungarian women's magazine aimed at arranging international marriages. Leaving him in the summer of 1996, Zsuzsannah moved to Florida. His last marriage in 1997, which lasted until his death, was to another Hungarian woman, known under the pseudonym "Irena". The marriage between Irena and Pierce was troubled, as he was reportedly "sharp and condescending" leaving her miserable living with him.[13]

I think personality wise passport bros are the same genre of man with or without the excessive racism (though there's a reason there's a sterotype of white nationalists marrying East Asian women.) They're very disagreeable, domineering, and often not so intelligent. Leading to some bad choices. Not very attractive either obviously so they can't find Western women to go along with it all. I've seen a lot of mixed race people online who have a white dad and Asian mum complain about this relationship dynamic too.

How come every man who wants a traditional wife doesn't wanna be traditional himself and provide for her. "I shouldn't pay her to be a mother" you are her husband, her provider, under the logic of tradition, you should be giving her money. These men ain't shit.

Exactly. He takes her from a developing country, moves her to the US, they have multiple children, he wants her to stay at home full time to do domestic labor.

He also wants her to work and make enough money to support herself. What type of job is she going to get while also caring for 3 kids and not being 100% fluent in English?

Wow this sounds even worse/more dumb than I thought. Guess I should watch the actual video.

0.47 seconds in:

"The problem is men are not being men and women are being men."

*Expects his wife to work while taking on all childcare apparently.*

So some masculine stereotypes are fine then lol?

Americans looking for love are getting killed by gangs in Colombia

U.S Embassy warns tourists after eight men died in Medellin in two months, often after meeing women on dating apps

Honestly I'm not surprised. I'm not saying this is good but I was just about to say if they continue acting like this people in these countries are going to start avoiding Western men and perhaps Westerners in general.

"It only took two years literally to the day for my Filipino wife to become Americanised, hate literally everything about me and what I provide and decide to leave."

Why is every woman on the planet the problem but not you?

Is it me that's the problem? No it's the mere 2 years she spent in America...

Think about it. There are actually (very rarely tbf) men who stay married their entire life you know. Even today there are a lot of people who stay married for 20-50 years easily.

The reddit posts she included:

I've stayed in Thailand for almost 2 months. I couldn't find any cute girl.

Title. I'm introverted and also anxious. 5'6", white, work out 6 days a week. So I'm pretty jacked. Tried thaifriendly, tinder, badoo. Also tried beer bars and gogo bars (rip off), on tf the girls were not attractive (at least 95% of them) Also tried approaching freelancers on walking street. All I got from it is being cheated by a ladyboy who told me he was a "100% lady" and some of them - you can't tell. Soo.. yeah it's over. i'm not the most social guy i the world. But I shouldn't struggle this hard. I also met a toxic arrogant freelancer girl on thaifriendly. So it's getting worse. Or there's something wrong with me on a very deep level. It's not like [...]

They don't want you and some just know you're willing to give them money and you're desperate. They need money. Also if you find 95% of women there unattrative and are seemingly only attracted to trans women then you might just consider getting over that hangup and dating trans women. Or on second thought don't...

Bros-ISO

ISO countries that have beautiful, fit, feminine blonde women?

Nordic countries are the gold standard

They are not feminine in Nordic countries. Sweden is the epicenter of feminist.

Best countries for blonde and feminine are Eastern European countries and some Baltic countries.

Lol. Can't wait for someone to use this guy for a greencard.

Cause American guys are not bossy and not chauvinist not like European countries and what not. We really want partners in our relationship but if his wife's trying to be a girlboss all the time and run the show that is very degrading to his morale. What I experience with filipinas is they're always very good for my ego. I always feel like a man around a filipina.

Oh... Don't say that in front of your wife. Come on bro.

Also I don't know what European countries he's talking about but either way most the most annoying sexism online is coming from American men though of course most of what you hear in general online is coming from Americans.

Half of this is just signalling that you find most women intimidating to your ego which isn't a brilliant thing to do for obvious reasons. Then the whole 'I love being a man' thing doesn't really work on most people unless they have a masculinisation fetish, and most of those 5 people are into trans guys for obvious reasons.

Like..

They will sneer at you as their boot tightens on your throat and they repeat to themselves - as mantra - how God wills it. Preabsolved of their torment of you.

Then react with the utmost shock when you slice their heel and in a fit of spite bring hell to Earth.

The Christian cries out as he strikes you for being trans, gay, a woman, someone he simply disagrees with.

"You would only be on that side if you were always of the enemy."

Birthing their own foes.

in 2025 we're gothmoding. we're hauntologymaxxing

Trans men proving transphobes wrong by publishing the kind of painfully edgy power fantasy prose that only men can write

It was pretty good, I thought it could have been better. The right direction I guess.

They aren?t actually transforming it, is the thing. Too many are tempted by patriarchal power. It sucks

i think its pretty clear that this is a profoundly feminist text, i dont know how you can argue otherwise unless youre just asserting that maleness itself is antifeminist

The article is mostly correct, and the author and several trans men may behave in accordance with these goals, but we've both seen how the majority don't, how power within transness can fall within the patriarchal lines

There are a shocking number of tboy incels, as well as soft lib transmascs who use sj language to call trans women icky and shove them to the margins at every chance.

Trans men are raiding the dying fire, but many don't understand this and will work with the expectation of keeping the fire going, it isn't wise to plan on people to voluntarily give up power

He's not expecting anyone to voluntarily give up power, he makes a parallel claim to the blackpaper that trans men introduce negentropy into the continuation of the same. its the same argument that n1x makes but cleverly inverted

I understand that transmasculinity's existence fragments patriarchal power and threatens it to a certain degree, but they are very much capable of coexisting, and we see the efforts of trans men to uphold it.

I think masculine power can exist outside the bounds of patriarchal hierarchy and that's what Satan is. Or a serial killer. Or a vampire. But that's not necessarily reassuring because toxic power is still toxic power.

This is the best response to that text:

lol

Speaking of lol (continuation of the previous quote before the lol one):

I don't understand how manhood could survive g/acc on any level but the most extremely superficial, and at that point cultural forces would just dissolve it. I don't really disagree with the article, but necromanhood will have a shelf life.

Necromanhood will have a shelf life as a force behind transmasculinity, I mean. Once a critical mass of transmasculine influence on masculinity is reached, something new will have to happen

ok so will transfemininity. trans womanhood and trans manhood both die with the gender binary. let a thousand sexes bloom

No. That is repulsive and there is a desire of efficiency which will disallow it. Multiply, and be divided by categorization.

This is why a post-gender society is impossible. Technocapital, the desires that direct humanity, want efficiency. Each gender requires additional cognition. We are all mascs, femmes, and neutrals, like it or not.

G/acc outlines how technocapital pushes things in the femme direction. This will go, and people will adapt, until the differences between the few generalized categories become nothing. At which point, further demand for efficiency creates monogender society.

what do you think the "accelerationism" in gender accelerationism is? autoproduction at its most gigantic scale. you think the gender binary survives human beings being rendered for biomass to fuel whatever comes after?

No, I do not. I think "man" dies. "Woman" does not. Perhaps some people's reductive definition of "woman" will, but "woman" will not, because "man" is dependent on "woman", but "woman" is not dependent on "man".

oomfie what

g/acc is gender abolitionist oomfie

[screenshot of some text]

When I read that, I see different words to mean the same thing. All becomes woman, and at the same time, because all is woman, all is "genderless", because much of the baggage of gender loses meaning when there's only one. But there is still a core womanhood.

Tbh it can't die while sexuality exists because androphilia exists. Supply and demand. It's even relevant to why some trans men exist...

If there are infinite combinations that are then flattened for 'efficiency' obviously that would be 'Human' or 'cyborg' in the future. Not 'woman.' If something like a 'core womanhood' continues to exist than some form of core other to it will exist because 'the other' will always reform itself in reaction. Even if in a shadow like fashion.

It's kind of ridiculous to say that the reductive definition of woman will die but core womanhood will not, as though there isn't also a reductive definition of manhood. Why do you think there are trans men who don't medically transistion and appear almost identical to women? Why are there femboys? You can't dissolve something without 100% agreement.

You can ignore it - like a shadow. But the shadow remains.

So this seems to be the answer: the framework for transmasculine identity is that of existing as a shadow. It is banishment from any existing framework, giving trans men two options: either pass and assimilate so seamlessly that you uphold cis manhood in your attempts to achieve it, or be swept away and disposed of so you don't pose a threat. [...] This framework, however, is collapsing. As more and more trans men assert ourselves and our manhood, it becomes more difficult to deny alternative ways of being a man. Patriarchy and manhood cannot maintain themselves without adapting to the loss of chromosomal and reproductive markers of manhood, leaving trans masculinity as the only way out. The realization of the shadow is assured; you cannot declare something imaginary forever.

😏

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die"

Also of course g/acc isn't synonmous with cyberfeminism but since she brought up feminism and some aspects of this were inspired by cyberfeminism... A lot of cyberfeminism (I prefer to say cyborg feminism because of Mary Harrington's hilarious complaints I saw a while back) is about choosing androgyny ironically. Trying to find this one quote and struggling... Maybe I imagined it lol.. It's going to bug me that I can't find this quote. Sure it had something to do with cyborgs.

Here's something though:h

Donna Haraway was the inspiration and genesis for cyberfeminism with her 1985 essay "A Cyborg Manifesto: Science, Technology, and Socialist-Feminism in the Late Twentieth Century", which was later reprinted in Simians, Cyborgs and Women: The Reinvention of Nature (1991).[19] Haraway's essay states that cyborgs are able to transcend the public and private spheres, but they do not have the ability to identify with their origins or with nature in order to develop a sense of understanding through differences between self and others. Haraway had ideals based on making individuals androgynous, and wanted society to move beyond biology by improving technology.[20]

G/acc DLC just dropped.

Sighs?.

Can we go back to before Land

never

You have to kill deleuze it's the only way

Not an option we destroy Britain

Yessss that too

Boo. Just because we (probably) invented all the goths (from fiction to music to whatever the hell this is.)

I hate this as much as I hate Nyx.

N1x did it better putting my foot down

I hate her so bad

She did really.

This is probably the neatest theory related thing to transmasculinity I've seen and yet is kinda more of an argument for why transfemininity is inherently vampiric if anything

I thought Nyx's take on Lilith sounded more non-binary anyway tbf but then was like 'no androgyny is really female' OK. Well.

Why does it have to be?

Oh context. They're talking about that text I posted about days ago:

https://cybercommedia.neocities.org/...d/necromanhood

Never mind I couldn't find an example I felt worked well enough and got distracted.

I have a weird craving today to try nachos (not sure I ever have.)

[Nyctophilia]

My internet browser froze kind of inbetween autoplaying a new video so it kept the title from the other video with pretty hilarious results:

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PYLONS

I know this project probably doesn’t have anything to do with the preachers daughter story but when I heard the first half “nearer to my god thee” I think of Ethel’s mother sitting in a dark room after the death of Ethel singing this it’s purely nightmare fuel and I fucking love it

It's just giving me Fallout vibes. Followed by post apocalyptic aliens.

Edit:

Omg I can't believe I forgot about this (while linking songs below) that's what the intro is like:





This is an unofficial music video but yeah:



Not really the same but yeah:





Feels aesthetically similar.

But musically I guess it's more like Apex Twin and Coil a bit.

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lol Hasan just stays streaming while picking people he knows up from the LA wildfires:



"When we were initially evacuating I said OK hurry up because everyone's going to be trying to go so only bring what's important and this motherfucker grabbed his Pokemon cards."

Well sure gotta grab the Pokemon cards.

"Man LA is really being pissed on right now."

No I think the problem is it's not being pissed on.



The DEI argument in this context doesn't really make sense (for firefighters in general,) because there isn't a exclusive limited number of jobs in theory in an area with a lot of work. Basically I doubt anyone who wants the job and is remotely qualified is really being turned away in the first place as it's a job most people don't want to do due to the high risk...

Also lesbians often work in masculine fields. It's funny that they fixated on that part and not that she's a woman.

Up next: It's suspicious that gay men are in the fashion industry.

God damn gay men taking jobs and concert tickets from straight women.

I was wondering which pop diva to go with when I said concert tickets. Can't think of anyone current that's that hyped tbh (specifically with gay men.) Not Taylor.

Although this is even more nonsense:

Like especially on ATRL, there's this myth that gets perpetuated around that people who like Ariana, Beyonce, Gaga and then Taylor gets inserted, are most likely the girls and gays...



... When a big BIG portion of her fanbase and the major reason she's pulling 800k-1M debuts is because of her extremely loyal straight male demographic that supports her physical releases. That fanbase will be the same that'll go and buy an AC/DC vinyl + a folklore vinyl along with the middle aged female fans she has.



Taylor has never been the gayest popstar, she hardly has ever been, it doesn't mean she isn't an ally and gay-friendly but her image has never been closely associated with camp and gayness the way Ariana or Beyonce do it. She's always been pop-rock adjacent and she's a lyricist (she markets herself as that) and its what makes her appeal strongly to the straight demographic.

Sure, we the girls and gays love Taylor especially RED-now but her OG and a bulk of her commercial success is owed to the straight male country-rock base that goes hard for her. I just went onto Reddit and a lot of the Taylor Swift fans on the subreddit also seem to be Iron Maiden, U2 and FOB fans (which is like the str8st base there is). You'll never get that with any other MPG. Here in Cali a lot of my straight male friends love Speak Now and Fearless, back home in the Philippines via Facebook so many of my straight friends think RED is a banger and folklore is amazing!

No I don't think that's a major part of her fanbase lol. It's reddit so whatever the question it will be mostly men. I've seen polls turn out that a majority of Doja Cat's fans are straight men and I know that's not true.

I also don't think the same people who listen to AC/DC would be fans of Taylor... In general obviously I'm sure there are some.

Anyway maybe her or?:



Obviously there are older people. I'm just thinking of people in like the last 5 years or something.

Me seeing this thumbnail (parts of this video are kind of graphic in a violent way btw):



'That's queerbaiting j/k'

*reads comments*

the kiss,the outfits,the plot ,omg I think we've found ourselves a winner you guys

I manifested this with my God mind you know.

Also I love chainsaws as weapons (this track always reminds me of them lol)



Not irl of course.

Taylor Swift concert tickets are insane though especially in the US they seem to go for thousands or something. Glad I have no interest in seeing her live honestly (and I don't live in the US,) would be a real pain. Some people worked it out that it would be slightly cheaper to travel to Sweden to see her live than in the US.

I like how Jenna Ortega is the new Aubrey Plaza that's just a thing now. I mean it was sort of before with like Fairuza Balk and Winona Ryder but not exactly.

Listening to my 'witch house and similar' playlist now. Xiu Xiu are so good:



His (Jaime's) voice is like 10/10.

Actually he kind of sounds like Shannon Funchess a bit but like creepier:



I was trying to find his vocal range. I don't think that will be illuminating though. I think he mostly just has a really weird vocal style. Like I was wondering if he was a contralto (unlikely though really,) but I think it's sort of like how Christina Aguilera is a soprano but everyone thinks she's a mezzo:



I think Shannon Funchess is a contralto?

Xiu Xiu. I really don't like Jamie's voice.

jamie's voice is like one of my favorite things about xiu xiu this is wild to me

Yeah.

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All my posts are trash but this one is more trash than most haha.

I like the part where she's being arrested and looks kinda crazy:

I refuse to believe that ppl actually watch the music videos

But that's where 98% of the hot people are... Also sometimes they're very aesthetically cool. People just don't appreciate the art form.

Also:

Me seeing this thumbnail (parts of this video are kind of graphic in a violent way btw):



'That's queerbaiting j/k'

*reads comments*

the kiss,the outfits,the plot ,omg I think we've found ourselves a winner you guys

I manifested this with my God mind you know.

I'm actively not reading Wednesday/Enid fanfiction from the Wednesday TV show because they're both teenagers but I like the dynamic and said I wanted something similar with adults before. I guess the Sabrina + Jenna Ortega music video is the second best thing. (Not exactly that but in the vague area.)

I appreciate the attempt universe.

I feel like it was inspired by Death Becomes Her?

Yep.

Wait what?





Oh cool, but I already headcannoned young Geddy Lee for the librarian role:



You're right though universe libraries are hot.

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Watching more of this video because I didn't finish it before:



"Why is my tumblr queen dating a tech billionaire."

Lol it was at that point that I was like we're living in a simulation and it's broken.

"They bonded over AI"

Oh they didn't just bond over the AI thing the specific in joke references a thing that started on lesswrong.com. Though that joke was popularised by the TV show Silicon Valley already. But it's like a community that they're probably both adj to and kind of culty. I talked to some people from that community before for a few years on discord and everyone who's adj to it or part of it (including people I talked to) is like 3 degrees seperated online at least. I started talking to them before the whole Grimes thing and also liked some of her music before then going back to Visions and Genesis (first song I heard,) and she was a indie musician who most people outside certain circles had never heard of so that just made it more surreal later.

"A lot of time adults who have no connection to the community or the political cause that LGBT people are faced with. A lot of time parents having a child who is [BEEP] draws parents into the fold. [...] but He talked about having a trans daughter it radicalised him in the opposite direction."

Oh no that's still common especially with trans kids/teens. Especially if the kid is afab but even if not sometimes. Transphobic parents are all over the place.

Elon's (and his biographer I guess?) version of the story with his trans daughter where he claims he didn't care about his daughter's transistion until after she came out as a communist really just makes it worse if anything. It just seems like he's overly controlling and cares more about his work and punishing anyone that goes against him or disagrees with his economic philosophy.

"Elon Musk officially takes the red pill"

Oh is that the one where he responds to someone's tweet and then one the Wachoswki's was like '[BEEP] both of you' that was a great response lol.

Oh yeah I remembered it wrong he tweeted and Ivanka responds to him. Yeah.

"This is my favourite response in the history of twitter.com"

It was great yeah.

"We all want something to be remembered for. We all want to be liked. We all want purpose in the world."

At this point it would be good to earn enough that I can start living a normal (relatively speaking I guess lol) life. I'm already known by thousands of people which is surreal (I need to stop using that word lol,) which I doubt I would have ever imagined as a kid or whatever (especially the reason why.) So, I've already kind of exceeded fame expectations really. The rest of my life is disapointing by anyone's standards but more difficult to manage/change for a variety of reasons.