Random Thought of the Day

[Nyctophilia]

Yet another depressing thread of young people who find modern politics a compelling reason to not have kids

I remember deciding with my husband that it was time to get pregnant, and feeling so incredibly hopeful and excited about the future. It really made us feel future oriented, not only for the next 5 years, or twenty, but for potential grandchildren and great grandchildren.

Now I see these threads with people feeling frightened, cut off, abandoned by the current political choices and it makes me sad.

I want to be around more babies. What's preventing us from choosing policies that help people to feel safe and secure?

You realize [BEEP] couples are now afraid what the govenment will terminate their parental rights for example?

I'm entirely aware and trying to make it more generally obvious to all that being LGBTQ+ supportive should be important to pronatalists.

Sexual minorities are a minority so they don't really care. It would be nice if they didn't demonise and legislate against LGBT+ people but they wont stop and realistically it has minimal impact on their fertility agenda to do that.

Most are conservative too so they are often against samesex parents, trans parents, gender nonconformity, ivf, surrogacy, abortion and various future reproductive technologies that don't quite exist yet but will in coming decades like ivg (and I think artificial wombs are further off but they will be against that too.)

This general conservatism to anything atypical and technological (when combined with sexuality or reproduction at least,) obviously has far reaching impacts but the LGBT aspect isn't going to make a huge dent in anything except in the sense that younger women are becoming more progressive and refusing to date guys who signal outgroup beliefs (like being anti LGBT.) Hard to say how much of an impact that will really have too.

There are also a lot of pronatalists who are basically IQ/intelligence elitists (the ones I keep posting about,) and in the long run don't really want people who are less intelligent to exist as far as I can tell. They're not very empathetic either and sometimes like the idea of there being no support for people who are not economically productive- not just young people but the elderly. If they don't have family to support them they think the only thing that should be funded for them is euthanasia. They're fixated on worth being aligned with economic productivity.

I suppose you could say they are the true 'pronatalist ideology' - all 20 of them (they are in fairly powerful positions though. But just to put into perspective their numbers vs influence they have.)

Also related:

Yes, but there is an IQ attached to Belker for different races so the implication is correct. You're just saying you don't mind Black people with high IQs having kids and you don't want white people with low IQ having kids. At the end of the day, whoever wants to have kids have kids. as far as the implication of racism, these people have been playing this race guard with population demographics for 20 to 25 years that I have experienced anyway. They are also the same people that have been saying that the white population is falling and that minority populations are rising, which is fundamentally racist.

1. They say a lot of messed up quotable things in their videos so you don't have to lie (assuming she did lie, I cba reading her article.)

2. At one point in this video they point out that she should 'get it right' because she's accusing them predominantly of racism when they're predominantly eugenicists that just don't want unintelligent people reproducing. And they're right their belief is already bad and it is a bit amusing that she felt the need to do this when they already believe the things they do, but racism is more taboo.

It reminds me of like the way homophobia works where people are like 'we should encourage people to believe it's not a choice, because if it's a choice they won't tolerate us.' Like the Ugandan president who was only willing to tolerate it if he believed it was unavoidable/not a choice:



It doesn't get rid of the underlying bigotry at all.

3. Regarding her supposedly 'pegging' (dislike that word,) her male partner (there's no evidence of her sex life, he's just saying that because she's aggressively attacking them.) Bottoms are superior. I say this as someone with very little interest in bottoming.

4. I can see how that journalist would come away with the impression that Simone does everything (a bit like the dynamic with Ben Shapiro and his wife,) because they try to give this impression in their videos. Like at one point Simone argues that she can't make the case for trad wives because 'I'm not a tradwife' I quoted this before in a previous post lol:

Simone: "You're answering this question of why should an ambitious young woman have children in a very Malcolm way. Which is you don't answer the question and you just say what you want to say and you're not speaking to the audience. I can answer these questions speaking to the audience, I can speak their language."

Macolm: "Speak to the audience. Because you did it. You now have this life and you seem to like it and you find it more satisfying I think then the life you would have had."

Simone: "Yeah but I'm actually kind of cheating because who is actually making the money in this family?"

Malcolm: "You."

Simone: "Who is actually controlling all the finances?"

Malcolm: "You."

Simone: "Yeah that's kind of the problem. I'm not very trad wifey right?"

May have been in this video:



5. Masculine identified people often brag about how [BEEP] they are at housework to make themselves seem more masculine. This kind of bragging is particuarly common for conservative men. Going so far as to argue this is a universal rule is very cringe.

Yes a lot of us hate and are [BEEP] at housework. I learnt that you're supposed to wash up glass first before anything else from a male housemate at university. My parents never really taught me anything in general tbh.

I'm not sure I will be able to find a compilation of them doing it, but I'm sure someone posted it in a video at some point. Perhaps shoeonhead addressed this in one of her videos yeah 17:45 minutes into this video:



That being said I can't fault them because apparently that gets them laid:

Conventional wisdom suggests that women are drawn to men who help out around the house. Yet new research indicates that some divisions of labor may be sexier than others. A February paper in the American Sociological Review reported that married couples in which men take on a greater share of the dishes, laundry and other traditionally female chores had sex less often than average, which in this study was about five times a month. Yet couples in which men confined themselves largely to traditionally male chores such as yard work enjoyed sex more frequently than average. Taken to the extreme, men who performed all the traditionally female chores would have had sex 1.6 times less often than men who did none of them.

My first boyfriend was lazier than me in this area (and as I say I'm very lazy so we're well into pathological undiagnosed ADHD kind of areas here,) so we were together for several months before I broke up with him (and he drove that other guy we lived with a bit insane sometimes later on too. For balance - that other guy was a bit of an elitist dick who once said he wanted children to pass on his genes and was quite darwinian lol. He reminds me of 'pronatalists' in hindsight. But on the plus side he knew how to cook and do housework.)

I was 19 then. I can't imagine being married to a guy you have contempt for and also don't enjoy having sex with him yet that's the story of a lot of women complaining online.

That study and the response to it doesn't even take into account all the unsatisfying sex women have lol. It's just like "well they have sex with these guys more, so they must like it right?"

Oh boy.

Perhaps you have to admire their optimism?



Sometimes I feel like I speedrun their life (especially when they don't have kids, but most of them do that's why they don't leave,) but then I'm also the problem lol. Like playing World of Warcraft while ignoring my ex who wants attention.



No I mean because women complain about this a lot too like wanting sexual attention but guys are just playing video games. For me we were spending way too much time together and I also didn't enjoy the sexual stuff we did much mostly, and I disliked how he was trying to feel me up while I was playing games etc. (I'm sure some of this kind of thing is trolling because it goes against gender stereotypes a lot lol but maybe not all of it):

Husband (29m) would rather play video games than have sex with me (28f)

I even tried to kiss him passionately and remove his headphones in a sexy way. He put the breaks on and said after this round...he wasn't playing online or anything just working toward a new gun..

Sex problems with partner.

Hi all. My boyfriend is a gaming addict. He is always on WoW (raids twice a week), plays dnd, magic, is ALWAYS on his Xbox with his friends. I support him, and what makes him happy. I'm a nerdy person myself and into those things on a WAY smaller scale than him. I feel like our sex life is next to zero, and I can only think it has to do with his game consumption. Is he draining all of his dopamine with his gaming addiction to the point of having no sex drive? He tells me I?m the one who has to come on to him and that?s so exhausting. Even earlier this week I tried to set up a sex date for us to meet in the bedroom at 11pm to fool around and he lost track of time playing COD and I was already asleep when he came to bed. He said he felt really bad about it, but it just shows me he doesn?t prioritize sex with me.

Has anyone else experienced this? Please tell me your stories, and solutions if you had any. Thank you so much.

The best part about this for me is I wasn't even a hardcore gamer or something. I wasn't doing raids either, just dungeons. He was a more experienced WoW player compared to me actually lol. But I was still doing this.

Lol:

"He's spending all his time playing WoW and bro's not even in a guild. Hasn't done a single raid. Only recently got a flying mount. His favourite thing about WoW is the soundtrack."

It's true (unsurprisingly.) I'm mostly nostalgic about the music now lol.







I did play other games too btw. But at that point WoW had kind of become infamous for this [BEEP] (I think it's less of a meme now as it's not as popular with younger generations, but it still pops up like in this post I just found.) Like when I was younger there were stories with parents just neglecting their babies and letting them starve to death and so on. But imo it wasn't as addictive as Elder Scrolls rpg's.

Oblivion was the game that I would walk back home to play for a short amount of time before I had to walk back into sixth form. "I have 5 minutes I can play for 3." Sort of thing.

Honestly I think it's just the millenial + gen z version of this (but after a few years lots of relationships break down anyway):

RANDOM POLL: Do people think nerds usually lean left, right or neutral? Or are they generally politically disengaged?

I spend a lot of time shitting on nerds (I also consider myself one technically speaking,) I think it has more to do with class and what 'type of nerd' you are.

Addicted to hate watching these two silly billys

I mean this entire circle have a lot of power but it's pointless because we can't do anything so yeah lol.

The funniest part is that they're the biggest contributor to fertility decline because poorer and less educated people have been listening and starting to reproduce less and get abortions etc. I think it's going to take another decade or two before this becomes discussed (since it's not peak of that trend yet and also because it was by design,) and everyone will pikachu face about it haha.

They want more bisexual men (samesex attracted really,) to have kids with women and I hear them talking about it.



I doubt this comes up in the above video but I believe part of this for some is an intelligence thing. Like when Milo (famous ex-gay contrarian not part of the above couple I think I mentioned him in a recent post lol unless I deleted it cause he decided to make himself part of Elon's drama,) argued gay men should go back in the closet because of the historical influence of gay men (which he appears to be trying to do now.) He's such a narcissist lol.

I said this before though - the available research is pretty weak (and nothing to do with gay men anyway honestly. I bet he's pissed that he's obviously not a 'polysexual' Roman emperor like his online handle Nero.)

Sporus*(died 69 AD) was a young slave boy whom the Roman emperor*Nero*had*castrated*and married as his empress during his tour of Greece in 66-67 AD, allegedly in order for him to play the role of his wife,*Poppaea Sabina, who had died the previous year.[1][2][3][4]

Milo seems more like the guy who gets castrated and forced to larp as a dead wife but whatever. Historically speaking I'm a witch who would have been burnt alive so we all have to cope lol.

Intelligence is associated with being non- binary and with unusual sexuality: Rare sexual orientation, gender non-conformism and intelligence in a large dating sample

Some studies have indicated that there may be intelligence differences between different sexual orientations or gender identifications. We investigated whether intelligence was predicted by sexual orientation and gender identity in a large sample of dating site users from OKCupid (N = ~36,866). In our regression model, we found that homosexuals were slightly below heterosexuals in intelligence, β = -0.07 (corrected -0.09), while bisexuals were slightly higher, β = 0.17 (cor. 0.22), and people with less common orientations were much higher, β = 0.73 (cor. 0.93). There was no interaction between orientation and gender. Furthermore, women obtained lower scores than men, β = -0.14 (cor. -0.18, - 2.67 IQ), and individuals who adopted non-binary gender identity had about average intelligence, β = 0.03 (cor. 0.03). It was found that non-binary gender identity predicts substantially higher intelligence when analysed alone, but this was mediated by its statistical association with rare sexual orientations. Results were discussed in the light of a development of Kanazawa?s Savanna-IQ Interaction hypothesis and the Cultural Mediation hypothesis

I don't even know why the title mentions non-binary people because the abstract says it's mediated by 'rare (non homosexual or heterosexual) sexual orientations' still. Its just non-binary people are more likely to have one, I guess.

Bear in mind Edward Dutton was involved in this particular paper which is sus. There are others suggesting opposite sex (natal sex) trans people have higher IQ. I think it's just the weirder you are, the weirder you are. Pretty sure many have lower than average IQ too. If you did enough studies I'm sure you'd find that in different samples. Would explain why I've failed at life honestly lol.

Lol you can tell he's not pleased about this:

The race differences in intelligence found in this dataset are smaller than those seen in representative samples (see Lynn, 2006). This is probably due to the use of self-selected samples. After adjustment for imperfect reliability, the gaps were still somewhat smaller than representative samples, e.g. the Black-White gap was 0.66 d versus about 1.00 d (IQ 15) typically found (Roth et al., 2001, Frisby & Beaujean, 2015, Fuerst et al 2021, Lasker et al., 2019, Kirkegaard et al., 2019). First, we relied on self-reports of gender and sexual orientation. These are both to some extent fallible as indicators of actual behaviour, e.g. some men who report being heterosexual have sex with other men (e.g. for pay), some men who report being women do so in order to enter female prisons and rape women (e.g. Howes, 15th January 1922). Future research would benefit from employing objective assessments of sexual orientation, such as by measuring levels of arousal in response to specific sexual stimuli. Second, our intelligence measure was crude with a reliability of only 0.62. This presents relatively few problems for our results because it is easy to adjust for imperfect reliability of the outcome variable in a regression model. Still, given the sampling of items, and people?s ability to skip items if they suspected they got them wrong, the measure is still suboptimal. Accordingly, it would be useful to re- conduct this study with a instrument that has higher reliability. Third, our dataset was large, but mostly limited to Western, English speaking populations. Because it was sampled from a dating site, it is also somewhat limited in age towards the younger side, and of course, is necessarily limited to people who spent their time on a dating site. There is however no particular reason to think these selection factors impacted our results much, aside from the smaller than usual race/ethnic gaps observed. Nevertheless, any future study would benefit from employing a more clearly representative sample.

Frankly it gets creepy if they 'support' you. This couple also dislikes trans people. They always do because its the most difficult group to encourage to reproduce because medically transitioning damages fertility on top of dysphoria with reproductive role eg: I don't want to be pregnant or do PIV really. Even though I havent medically transitioned. Technically this applies also to non-conforming homosexuals but I suppose that couple would consider them 'true trans' if people like that transistion anyway because of their specific belief system. And not a 'social contagion.'

You are delaying or preventing yourself from having a baby due to politics? And I thought climate change was the strangest reason. Now it?s a toss up.

Personally, I had three pregnancies and now I'm menopausal. I'm exceedingly proud of raising my kids (now teenagers) to feel very comfortable herding toddlers and to see that as joyful.

So it pains me to see the youth feeling that they cannot afford it, children won't be supported in schools, trying to cut CHIP and Medicaid coverage for children's health, etc.

I do see climate change as a real issue. I've scubad and snorkeled over the past three decades and it's just not the same. The reefs are suffering.

We bought the America is Beautiful pass this past summer and drove 5k miles to take the kids through more than a dozen of the national parks this past summer, now their funding is frozen and if this administration pulls another maneuver like Bear Ears - my future grandkids may not get to see the beautiful protected land that we did.

Here in the UK we really can't afford it - and this is belittled by the 'just move countries bro' crowd (how hard it is to do especially at the bottom of the economic ladder and if you dont want to live in a hyper conservative bigoted country that's cheap.) Well the UK is now part of the US's green card lottery program over the past two years for the first time ever but the political situation there is fucked like in the UK + no healthcare safety net - bad country to be poor in. Poor public transportation in most areas and cheaper areas probably are much less ideal in that respect too - but there are cheaper areas. The UK and most of Western Europe is insanely expensive by comparison, (I do think democrat areas have a better culture for trans and non-binary people than the UK though but this relies on federal law being uninvolved so the next decade will be illuminating in that regard. Unfortunately such states are once again the expensive ones but perhaps they have cheaper areas I dunno.) Absolutely miserable weather in the UK is actually a serious issue I believe. For mental health.

Because I still want to have kids eventually and I want a reason to.

But everytime I see someone talk about how it's feminism's fault we have less kids (even on this subreddit) I remember why I've made the decision to not do so.

For as long as women's rights are being eroded I'm holding off. It's one thing to have a son, but I couldn't risk a daughter.

Having too many men causes issues. China has this imbalance now due to sex selective abortion favouring men.

Good thing you weren?t born pre-1900 or in Afghanistan. Read a history book if you think women have it so bad. You never had rights before now. Glad you were born when you were and where you were so you can make that choice.

I personally think things were [BEEP] for most people throughout history who weren't rich and powerful but if I adopted the lens he's going with why the [BEEP] would I be grateful about the bear minimum when (he implies,) men didn't deal with that.

But as I said I don't subscribe to that ideological lens.

Yes I am very grateful that I wasnt born in 1900s and Afghanistan.

But you know, just because people have it worse doesn't mean things aren't bad.

Who gives a [BEEP] if you're poor and starving! At least you weren't born a slave!

Be grateful I'm making you get married at 18 instead of making you get married at 12!

Be grateful I'm giving you a choice of three men to marry instead of none!

Just because people have it worse doesn't mean what we have isn't bad

Lol yeah that's what he sounds like.

[Nyctophilia]

.@elonmusk was presented with a massive "chainsaw for bureaucracy" at CPAC.

OK he's really gone too far now. First he ruins my favourite letter and now he ruins my favourite chainsaws?

Chainsaw guitar, I'm going to need that.

And this comment I left 10 years ago is still accurate.

I like music that sounds like a chainsaw having a mental breakdown lol:

OK for some reason I thought I had more posts about chainsaw appreciation.

We just saw a packed auditorium full of adults cheering at seeing bodies cut in half with a chainsaw. Really think about that for a moment.

Think about it without getting defensive. No one wants to ban DOOM. But what message does that send to the world about the gaming community?

Gamers cheering loudly at scenes of brutal dismemberment. God this is depressing as hell. Welcome to the gaming industry. #BE3 #DOOM.

It's fine Jonathon Mcintosh from 2016 or whenever he tweeted that Elon has ruined chainsaws now. And the letter x. And nerds.

And being a fan of Elon's gaming:



What's next cacti?

Stay away from the desert! Well any deserts with cacti. There are no cacti in the Sahara so you can go there.

Also lemons, marshmallows and electricity pylons.

And vending machines.

I think that's everything. Oh maybe muffins too. But it's been a long while.

Also Avril wore it best. I forgot Elon wasn't Canadian for a moment he's South African lol I was going to say she did being Canadian better too. He is part Canadian ethnically.



edit: Fucking hell man:




As I was saying:

these people don't know how to text lol. But realistically they want people to be involved and they want everyone to hold Elon accountable/shame him everytime he fucks up lol.

Well I clearly have nothing better to do so sure thing.

Also because this is genuinely bleak:

I don’t know any person that is as admired and appreciated as Elon Musk.

I said this before there are millions (if not more) guys who are just as [BEEP] it's just that he has the money and legions of fanboys to do whatever he wants.

[Cuchculan]

Are we going to get a Summer this year? Never happened last year. Stayed wet and cold. Is Ireland. You can never tell.

[Ironman]

75-80F then 50F then 70F and now 45F.......it's not even spring yet

[Otherside]

Good American Family has only just come out on Disney+ here, so not seen it but seen the clips on tiktok.

Very sad when you look into the Natalia Grace story. The family claimed she was a 22 year old with dwarfism who faked being a young child in order to get adopted by them. They managed to get a court order changing her birth year to 1983, and leave her in a rented apartment before moving to Canada.

Turned medical testing done later didn't show that she was 22 and that her claimed DOB was correct, she was actually a child.

Seems from what I've seen of Good American Family that they're going the "Natalia Grace was an adult faking being a child who is also a sociopath" route.

[Otherside]

Oh okay, they made her seem like a sociopathic adult who was scamming the Barnetts for money to fund her surgeries for the first four episodes, by episode 5, she pretty much is behaving as a child and struggling to survive living on her own in an apartment. Almost like she is a child.

Also, Kristine Barnett parading her autistic son around on TV saying that she was able to help him speak and have one of the highest IQs on the planet, and then writing a book about him when he stated he didn't want to do it is just narcissistic. Not surprised he says that his mother was abusive and made him do things like peeing on Natalias bed.

[Otherside]

I'm honestly just cringing at the whole female only blue origin flight. I mean, all of these celebrities spend more money that most people will ever earn in a lifetime on a ten minute trip to space. At a time when we all have a massive cost of living crisis.

Then they blast back to Earth after the ten minutes are up, and we have Katy Perry going "we must protect mother earth"? They keep saying this is carbon emissions free because its water based, but seem to skim over the fact that they've degraded the ozone layer so they can spend a couple of minutes in space. And have they done it to further research or our knowledge of space? No, they've done it so they can take a few photos.